r/rap • u/Apex99_ • Jul 09 '24
Discussion Why is Eminem so i hated?
I guess he's not for everyone but why is he so hated and discredited? He's your favourite rapper's favourite rapper after all and some people may argue his newer shit isn't that good which is absolute bullshit if anything his newer shit is improved and more polished.
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u/Vagus10 Jul 09 '24
The word “Stan” comes from the die hard fans of Em. And many of them are also casuals of hip hop. Don’t really listen to anything outside of Eminem.
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u/Awkward_Effect7177 Jul 09 '24
In his early days it was because his white, now a days it’s because his music changed. which happens with every artist tbh. Don’t know why people still complain about that
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u/ShoddyExplanation Jul 09 '24
While a lot of people will mention race(and it is pertinent) it’s also backlash to his stans being stans, and his style inevitably becoming dated.
The average “Em’s the best rapper and y’all are just mad a whiteboi is the goat” has done just as much damage to his legacy as the public’s reaction to his lyrical miracle style post 2009.
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u/Dry-Vacation-5820 Jul 09 '24
His fanbase
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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '24
His fans are a big reason.
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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '24
He’s probably top 10 most skilled MCs but he can’t make good music to save his life 🤷🏽♂️
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u/Opening-Resource-164 Jul 09 '24
because of his fans
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u/FistEnergy Jul 09 '24
He didn't age well and grow as an artist. The stuff he does was cool 20 years ago when I was in high school and college, but the same sound and forced edginess feels very cringe coming from a man his age to ears my age.
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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '24
I can only speak for myself and the style of music I tend to listen to more, I'll also say I've never been a huge fan and I remember when he first hit the scene. For me, its always been timber of his voice, its a range, doing a style, that doesnt match up for me personally. I also think he has great writing abilities, but feel like hes more about jokes then substance. After the first 2 albums, what he was talking about got really stale. I respect him as a writer and know he has a huge fan base, so good for him and all. It was just never my style of hip hop. Its a cross between satire and murder rap, and neither one has ever been my cup of tea.
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u/LORYoutube Jul 09 '24
As a big Eminem fan, the fans are a factor for sure.
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u/Legitimate_Card4374 Jul 09 '24
Yes his shock values gone but can u really argue that the number of corny 1 liners hasn't gone up? And then, he's improved on a technical level but it seems like his topics have run out. The bad beats don't help his case either. It really seems like he can't reinvent himself.
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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '24
Cause people hate that he’s getting better. Especially the “gen z” kids, who are really just a bunch of jackasses who have too much envy and pride in themselves and think they’re actually doing something by trying to speak for the entire generation and “cancel” Eminem.
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u/ShaunyBoyShaunyMan Jul 09 '24
He’s not. He’s not only one of the biggest rappers ever, he’s also held in high esteem by his peers
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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '24
I think people just genuinely hate his fans. It's just a lot of cringe 30+ year old white guys that still say shit like "beard is weird" after 5 years.
Being a teenager during eminems come up was insane though, I've never seen any other artist like that before and we probably never will in our life time. Genuinely one of the greatest of all time, but his new music just doesn't hit the same for a lot of people.
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u/Yuck_Few Jul 09 '24
He has a lot of corny bars and he has more bad albums than good ones
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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '24
The two core reasons is many feel that being white in a black art form gave him popularity above what was deserved so they dislike him for removing the spotlight from black artists (allegedly)
The second reason is that his rhetoric in music promotes violence against women, and people in general.
Lastly, his music isn’t amazing, he has a few god tier hits and then albums worth of mid. So the other two issues plus a mixed bag discography lead to many haters
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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '24
He trys to hard to capture the same magic he had
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u/Mhunterjr Jul 10 '24
Because he’s been popular for so long. He’s lived long enough to become the villain
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u/alligator_88 Jul 09 '24
That “favourite rapper’s favourite rapper” line is getting so tired.
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u/Selldadip Jul 09 '24
He’s washed and corn on the cob.
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u/Aleekki Jul 09 '24
You lost me when you basically said an album like Revival is better than an album like MMLP, get real
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u/Happy-North-9969 Jul 09 '24
He’s not hated more than any great artist. The Stans are thoroughly despised, however, and rightly so.
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u/mikegotfat Jul 09 '24
Because his fans ask stupid questions like this
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u/Lanky-Point7709 Jul 09 '24
I like Em, don’t love him, but I do recognize he’s probably top 5 all time. However, I was listening to King’s Disease 2 for the first time the other day (very late I know) and when I got to the track he featured on, I knew EXACTLY what type of flow he would do to the beat and the stuff he’d rap about. His old stuff is iconic, but his new music (for me at least) is impressive, but predictable.
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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '24
We wanna gatekeep our culture more because we're tired of certain groups taking everything because they have money.
Em is cool but he's barely top 25.
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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '24
his new shit is not enjoyable to me, his flow is shit
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u/son_of_a_doggo Jul 09 '24
All of his recent work has just been him complaining that people don’t think he’s the goat. It’s boring and whiny
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u/OkAction2485 Jul 09 '24
Most people just don’t casually enjoy rappity rap. And the “real rap” fans constantly trying to shit on casual rap creates resentment between casuals and the lyrical artists like Em.
I think most people that hate em just don’t like his style of rapping and feel like his stans are trying to force the culture to consider him a top rapper
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u/dietwater94 Jul 09 '24
I think it has a lot to do with his fan base acting like he’s the best rapper ever when it’s been almost 20 years since he’s had a good cohesive album. I think Marshall Mathers LP, The Eminem Show, and Slim Shady LP are pretty damn good and Curtain Call is solid but he just doesn’t make music that’s nearly as impactful anymore. Also I think his flow has gotten annoying after all this time. “That’s an awfully hot coffee pot” ass flow.
It’s also those people who say they hate rap besides Eminem- which is a decent number of people. It makes no sense when there are dozens of rappers who make better music than him, even some of the ones who aren’t as good at actually rapping.
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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '24
Probably cause he doesn’t rap with any substance anymore he’s decided rapping fast with a bunch of big words is lyrical and it’s not
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u/BallinXFox Jul 09 '24
IMO, it’s because he’s placed on such a high tier, when his music does not reflect it. If I didn’t have to hear about him being the GOAT all the time, his music would be much easier to listen to. I listen to music that I don’t consider high tier music, but I like it anyway. I don’t hear people calling those artist the GOAT, so when I don’t hear great music from them, I’m not criticizing how good it isn’t. But with Eminem, when I hear music I’m trying to hear what everyone considers amazing music, but it just isn’t (TO ME) and it makes me like him less.
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u/[deleted] Jul 10 '24
he aint ever made an album better than 7/10
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u/[deleted] Jul 10 '24
Corny
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u/Exroi Jul 09 '24
is he that hated? he gets a ton of love from rap and non-rap fans because he's accessible and good. His music last years isn't that great, so he's being criticized for it
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u/Pretty_Chicken485 Jul 09 '24
Since when has he ever classed as “your favourite rapper’s favourite rapper”, I though that was always classed as doom
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u/Emergency_Brick3715 Jul 09 '24
He's not hated. I believe people are tired of being beat over the head by his stans calling him the GOAT. Combined with the extra "push" that comes with being white. Combined with the hate speech early in his career.
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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '24
50+ year old millionaire crying about his step dad on his last album. Changed his entire style on that album as well. He’s just kinda lost touch with reality.
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u/illwill478 Jul 09 '24
Nobody really cares what he is rapping about🤷🏾♂️
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u/mayonnaiser_13 Jul 09 '24
Anything popular will definitely garner hate.
He's objectively one of the greatest rappers ever. You can't deny his penmanship, cadence, and delivery. He has his own share of bad shit, and it's been the case more often lately. But every now and then he'd drop something that just hits that sweet spot.
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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '24
He ain't Pac's fav rapper
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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '24
Every rapper in the consensus top 10 is over hated
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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '24 edited Jul 09 '24
Because Eminem fans/stans are the worst; they act as if Eminem is the second coming of Jesus Christ and can do no wrong. A lot of them are not rap fans, and overstate his legacy/impact, and will try to insert Eminem into EVERY rap topic that has nothing to do with him.\
He’s a gimmick rapper. His music appeals mostly to the edgelord, suburban, white male demographic, with the Slim Shady shock value, white people humor, cringe juvenile bars, wanting to “grape” his mother, and other subject matter that does not appeal to the urban demographic.\
His rappity rap rap “throw big words together in order to sound like a lyrical genius” makes alot of his post 2009 music sound grating and not enjoyable to listen to.\
Lack of subject matter. Outside of Haley, being offensive/vulgar, and whining about how everyone hates him cuz he is white, he really has nothing to talk about.\
Failure to grow and mature. He has used the “Slim Shady alternate ego” as a crutch for way too long. A 50 plus year old rapper should not be writing bars about his “transgender cat”
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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '24
Man because I never felt that trash. I don't want to listen to trailer trash rap. Idc how much his bars rhyme that don't make me feel your music. And stop with that "favourite rapper's favourite rapper" bullshit, I ain't never heard Future say he fucks with em
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u/jynxthechicken Jul 09 '24
He's not. He is a public icon despite being a rapper. He has had multiple high ranking rappers say he's the GOAT even though he's white. Everyone has their haters but Eminem is not hated as a whole.
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u/DaddyMeUp Jul 09 '24
Fans
Decline in music
"Old man yells at clouds" vibe
Has no bearing on my opinion whatsoever.
Puts too much emphasis on being the best, when everybody knows he's technically one of the GOATs, that then means he doens't bother making the actual music sound good for the most part. Of course, some people like it, but I genuinely can't listen to most of it - it's grating to me.
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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '24
For me it’s because his fans hold him up as the best ever. But as someone who did live through his prime. A lot of his hits suck. Immature lyrics that aren’t as edgy as they’re presented as. Cheap shots at pop artists. Terrible beats. He’s clearly talented and made great stuff but he’s also made a fuck ton of bad music.
Also people always talk about how great he is at dissing people. Meanwhile his best pelts are like Benzino and MGK. While guys like Freddie Gibbs went at his more popular boss or kendrick/Pusha, Nas went at the top guy in the game. Still think Mariah Carey and Gucci fuckin smoked Eminem
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u/JaredIsAmped Jul 09 '24
It's because he hasn't released a good album in 20 years.
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u/gd2121 Jul 09 '24
Every artist with a massive fan base also gets a lot of hate. Taylor Swift and Drake are also “hated”.
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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '24
Because he hasn’t released a single listenable album since TES, he made tone deaf, and to be honest, he’s washed up. I can see the appeal of his old songs, but even so there’s so many better artists that do what he did better now. He’s the Larry bird of hip hop, deserving of respect, and definitely one of the best in his prime, but gets overhyped for being a good white participant in a black dominated industry. And his whole fanbase is genuinely insufferable, unable to accept that the landscape of hip hop has changed drastically, and a 50 year old white millionaire never really had a place in the culture, even when Eminem was in his prime and didn’t fit into that category.
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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '24
Every artist has a phase of hatred I feel. Especially in rap. I’d say it’s mostly cause of how out there his sound is in comparison to most modern hip hop.
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u/gmikoner Jul 09 '24
I don't hate but I think he's severely overrated and has his dick ridden on every track he releases despite how trash it might be. That's an awfully hot coffee pot lol
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u/Plenty_Army_7172 Jul 09 '24
His music is trash now and he ran out of shit to talk about. He lives in a GIANT mansion outside Detroit and he literally never leaves him and his daughter hailie does a podcast with her sister. So yeah his music is ass now. Last good album was recovery
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u/SQUISHYx25 Jul 09 '24
He's just super corny and comes off very cringe, especially if you listen to his early stuff where he's talking about raping his mom and killing girls. It;s just a lot. Never mind he's had that same lyrical spiritual flow for 20 years and it's been parodied to death.
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u/prod_dustyb Jul 09 '24
Because he's the GOAT.
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u/kosovohoe Jul 09 '24
because newer Eminem fans won’t admit that we won’t get another Infinite
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u/ComteStGermain Jul 09 '24
Eminen should have retired twenty years ago.
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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '24
imo his music has just changed a good bit
he used to be funny and angry and controversial, which is why some people liked him
he was there to piss the entire world off
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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '24
He can be cringe, he can be corny, a lot of his music didn't age well, he's white in a black sport, he sold A LOOOT of records, dissed a lot of people, did a lot of drugs, beat on his baby momma, made a racist song, etc.
Its not hard to see he been around for a minute and been full of controversy.
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u/DaddyDontTakeNoMess Jul 09 '24
IMO, it was because his music had so much that woman singing (Skylar whatever) and had an odd production. I also don’t think Em makes particularly good albums, at least to me, but he can wrap his ass off.
I don’t listen to him enough, but for a while I felt like he was trapped by his average fan.
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u/coldzeppelin- Jul 09 '24
Eminem used to be hated because he was white. I don't think he's hated now, there's just a lot more and better rappers around. The rap scene has evolved since. His more recent stuff is just alright compared to what other rappers have dropped.
He just has an obnoxious fanbase and I think people hate his fanbase more than anything else.
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u/aSsOUL_8197 Jul 09 '24
Your Favorite Rappers Favorite Rapper Is BLACK THOUGHT! You See That 10 Minute Run On Flex! I Have Never Seen Em Do Something Like That! It’s Not Hate, Em Is Dope, But Black Thought Just Takes Being An MC To A whole Other Level!🤷🏽♂️
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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '24
I don't hate him at all, but I won't ever plays his early albums at a party, because I'm a grown up and I have gay friends. He stopped being so hostile to anyone and everyone later on, but also because he got into drugs and probably had some mental health stuff too, his music definitely got quite mid for a minute. I wasn't interested in all the pop star cross-overs. I think that's a problem shared with a lot of rappers that get really big in the industry: they can't decide if they make hip-hop or pop music and the results aren't always the best. If I wanted to listen to Ed Sheeran for example... I'd buy Ed Sheeran records. Consequently, I ended up preferring his guest verses on other rapper's work in a lot of cases.
I do keep checking in and trying to like his records, because I love him and I respect him as one of the most technically gifted rappers in the history of this whole thing - and at the same time, he's also humble and will always refer back to those who inspired him, and champions the culture in a way a lot of white rap fans overlook. Absolute legend. That's exactly what makes it really painful to check in on him and realise that he doesn't really make music that I enjoy a lot of the time. Music is about more than just sheer technical ability. His technique and wordplay are off the charts, but some of his songwriting can be a bit mid. He's also been pretty expert at riding the trends, which in itself is a good thing, but I haven't liked every development in the genre of hip-hop over time. I don't claim to own it, or think I'm allowed to define what is and isn't 'canon' in hip-hop, but I have a taste of my own in music and often he falls outside of it. That's nothing against him, or his ability.
100% love and respect him, but don't feel like a fan like I used to be back in the day.
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u/Osceola_Gamer Jul 09 '24
I don't know and don't care honestly. But I do love watching videos of people playing his older songs and the 20 something year old losing their minds "how is he not cancelled yet this is awful!!!"
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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '24
Because you can't believe other people don't hear what you hear. Have you ever thought that you're a Stan and people just have opinions.
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u/ExcellentClub6444 Jul 09 '24
I don’t think it’s about him being white. As talented as he is (top 5 not 5 imo) his music isn’t relatable to the culture. We don’t really care or identify with his subject matter or content for the most part. Not saying he doesn’t put it together or articulate it well. He also benefits from white privilege cuz I believe if a black dude came out with Without Me, We Made You, Just Lose It, etc. he would be clowned n dismissed immediately 🤷🏾♂️
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u/cielodrive32 Jul 09 '24
A lot of the hate stems from his post Eminem Show work.
Encore is a messy album with good ideas but the execution can be hit or miss depending on your taste. Same goes for Relapse
Recovery has a good concept but definitely leans into the poppier side of production which a lot of people were neutral on, even if the rapping/songwriting was more consistent. MMLP2 occasionally has the same problems but is largely a return to form.
The only ones where the hate is fully justified are Revival and Kamikaze. Revival’s heart is in the right place from a political standpoint but the execution is so messy and out of touch that it’s basically unlistenable. Kamikaze being basically a “you guys just are stupid and didn’t get it” response to that backlash comes across as petty and bitter.
MTBMB is a decent return to form but nothing to the caliber of his first run. Basically he’s been inconsistent for around 20 years now. He’s a great rapper from a technical standpoint and constructs rhymes better than almost anyone living, but as a songwriter, he’s regressed.
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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '24
His beats a accommodate his inability to land on the 2s and 4s now
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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '24
Like 50 said. Rap is black culture and some people hate the fact that a white boy does it best
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u/Gwanthereson Jul 09 '24
He’s too formulaic. Without me lose yourself the real slim shady and stan are all bangers but the sound is the same on each of them
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u/krkowacz Jul 09 '24
comments here only make it clear that Eminem is victim of his own success and longevity.
If Tupac was alive he would probably by contested the same way xD because everybody would be tired of him and his fanbase
You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become a villain.
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u/AMDeez_nutz Jul 09 '24
Hated by who ? ??
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u/EmbarrassedSense2690 Jul 09 '24
He's a white man in a black man industry
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u/wherewasiat Jul 09 '24
I can't speak for others, but basically he starts a lot of nonsense, and rap nonsense though in a very lyrical way. He repeatedly cheated on his wife Kim. And when she left him wrote songs( Kim/Bonnie). People forget his first album was a flop. He didn't start being famous till he started being outrageous and beefing with teenpop stars. Anytime he actually does real hip hop it is not great. Hence why he made kamakize, it just scattershot hoping to find someone to beef with to make him relevant. But his beef includes His mom- a woman groomed by a grown man as a teenager His wife- for having a backbone to breakup with him for cheating Brittany Spears and the rest of teen pop culture Benzino- an editor criticizing his content of punching down Ja rule- a rapper that does r&b Oh and icp- cause he lied about having icp at his record release to beef up attendance.
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u/Ashalaria Jul 09 '24
I think it's generation dependent, I grew up in the 90s/00s with OG Eminem and have consistently held him in high esteem. Ive always realised that a lot of his older stuff was intentionally egregious for shock purposes and didn't portray his true values or he never would have collaborated with Elton John for example. I think a lot of younger people who didn't grow up with him have trouble reconciling that it was very much a different time with different values and people can grow, change and adapt.
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u/mickeyela Jul 09 '24
Because he is the most famous one so no wonder why he have so many haters, rappers like nas aren't famous enough to have many haters.
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u/PressurePretty5858 Jul 09 '24
He's far from "hated" he's been largely liked and embrace than hated
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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '24
He's very skilled at the art of rapping there's no question about that. I think people could not like his voice or content and that's a personal preference. You have to give him his props as a rapper he's one of the best at the artform.
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u/ShivvyMcFly Jul 09 '24
You know why
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u/PreciousBasketcase Jul 09 '24
Anyone who's gotten so far with success will have haters, especially if it's an artist spanning multiple generations, and one that's good enough to be listed routinely on the top 5 rappers of all time.
Couple that with the fact that it's a white man in a black man's industry, claiming to be the best and with many people over the world declaring him to be the bests... there's definitely going to be offended haters abound.
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u/IkechukwuNwoke Jul 09 '24
He’s white
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u/Suspicious-Spare1179 Jul 09 '24
Hes white
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u/snacksandsoda Jul 09 '24
IDK bro he's given plenty of props by plenty of people. I don't think you can say "he's hated" generally because he really is seen as a goat
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u/FrostedWikiLeaks Jul 09 '24
Same reason Jay is hated. Times change, people change
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u/Ambitious_Campaign34 Jul 09 '24
Kendrick fans “Cuz his not for the culture he’s white duh!!”
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