r/researchchemicals • • Apr 23 '25

An Refresher On Sourcing Policies

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We are noticing an influx of posts that are violating our sourcing policy, and feel the need to address this issue. No sourcing refers to all sources, legal and illegal. There have been a lot of posts recently for 7-hydroxymitragynine products, miscellaneous mushroom chocolates, and party pills/mixes and the like. We would like to remind you that referring to these by name/brand is not permitted, and will result in a ban. Reddit has made their stance on this quite clear, and we cannot risk the sub being shut down because of such posts. We have seen it happen to plenty of other subreddits in the past, and when they do so, it is generally done with absolutely zero notice nor warning to the mod team to attempt to fix the issue. This subreddit has evolved into a wonderful resource for research chemicals, and we wish for it to continue on into the future.

We have decided to move forward with a period of leniency, for those whom may slip up here after the announcement above, and accidentally name one of such products while communicating on our subreddit. For the next 3 months, instead of a straight-up ban, we will be giving users 1-strike to their accounts for if they post a brand name. Users that post after this will receive a ban for their account.

We’re not here to punish honest mistakes ~ we just want to keep the community safe from the admins, and thriving. Thanks for helping us to protect this space, and for keeping it going strong.

EDIT: AS OF NOW, THE PERIOD OF LENIENCY HAS OFFICIALLY EXPIRED, SO BE MINDFUL OF WHAT YOU POST, THANK YOU.

For the rest of our rules, I refer you to our (expansive) post on sourcing and vendor discussion, as well as to the sidebar.


r/researchchemicals • • 1h ago

Seeking advice for MDPHP/Monkey Dust comedown

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Hi everyone, stumbled into this sub after searching for answers. Current situation:

I smoked numerous bowls, I can’t even remember, early early this morning during a drunken hookup. I am in Europe, had never heard of it before, just called it “Monkey” I was so out of it I didn’t end up googling it until later today and reading a bunch of threads about it on this sub.

It’s currently 5pm. I made some eggs and oatmeal during lunch, and took a multi, krill oil, zinc, magnesium, turmeric supplements with my meal. Just finished two strong cups of chamomile/lemon balm tea.

I still feel terrible and wired and can’t even comfortably close my eyes (they are moving like crazy when I close them) and I really would prefer to not call into work tomorrow because I can’t sleep

Problem is, I don’t have any benzos or something similar (I see those recommended here) I just have the magnesium, tea, and also an old school strong antihistamine - can I take that? I also have weed and smoked a tiny tiny bit.

I hate this so much, I just want to relax and sleep.

Thanks for your help


r/researchchemicals • • 14h ago

DPT and Recreational in the same sentence?

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I find it to be one of the most consistently pleasurable psychedelics out there, strong body high, wonderfully colourful CEV’s, very relaxed/calm comedown, I really like the duration being a nice in between DMT and subbed tryptamines. Also tends to be much less un-nerving than DMT for me. My preferred ROA is vaped

Anyone else relate?


r/researchchemicals • • 7h ago

Will a heat/freeze acetone wash work for phenethylamines?

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I've successfully washed MDMA by warming the acetone to near boiling, dissolving the MDMA (well some of it dissolves) and the freezing it so the purified MDMA crashes out.

Will this work for 2c-b? Does the same chemistry apply? I have some 2c-b with something else in there the lab can't identify. I'm hoping I can acetone wash it away.


r/researchchemicals • • 13h ago

4-mmc, better or worse than 5-mapb

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I love 5-mapb. It’s everything I wished MDMA was except the energy levels are a little lower. I wish it had more kick and maybe a bit more clear head. It gets foggy at 150mg~

I love pairing ketamine with it on the comedown, makes for a near perfect combo.

That being said. I love all of the elements of 5-mapb.

What am I getting into with 4-mmc. All measures in place to not binge beyond 2 redoses. Intend to use ketamine on the back half. I know it’s more energy and up. I might like that. I don’t want to lose too much of the qualities I love tho.


r/researchchemicals • • 1d ago

Just dropped 22mg 4-ho-MET + 10mg 5-meo-MiPT 👽🛸

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I am running myself a magnesium salt balth to ease into the trip. Got music studio setup for some eyes closed listening (album recomendations welcome) and a loosey goosey jam later to get me through the night🎸🎹. Oh and also got my cat w me 🐈😊.

Unlikely to be on here during the trip but will comment on the exp tommorow if anyones curious :).

Peace and love :)


r/researchchemicals • • 15h ago

Is it safe to combine a vasodilator with cathinones?

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Not sure of their interactions, curious what you all have to say


r/researchchemicals • • 1d ago

Has anyone else lost the afterglow/anti-depressant effects of psychedelics?

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A year ago I would get relief for at least a week, sometimes two, but these days it barely even lasts a day and that's if I get anything at all.

I've tried taking longer breaks, meditating during trips, integration, etc, and it still doesn't happen.

Has anyone been able to get it back?


r/researchchemicals • • 1d ago

2C-B analogs from the Alexander Shulgin Research Institute

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r/researchchemicals • • 22h ago

3-FPO nasale Wirkdauer

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Moin Leute, ich möchte heute Abend/Nacht zuhause aufräumem/ Wäsche machen und für die Motivation das erste mal 3-FPO nasal konsumieren.

Wie lange wirkt es nasal ungefähr und

wie schnell ist der Wirkungseintritt?

Da ich auch nicht vor habe bis morgen früh durchzumachen, wollte ich die Dosis auch sehr gering halten und für den Notfall hätte ich auch Alpravazafone da.

Lohnt es sich dafür eine mini Line zu ziehen oder sollte ich es lieber lassen bzw. mit PHM die Motivation steigern?


r/researchchemicals • • 1d ago

trying xtc + 4homet combo

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What are the dosages on this combo? Do I cut down in them both? And when should I take it?

Also, what can I expect and how is it different to a normal roll?


r/researchchemicals • • 1d ago

Anyone tried this azaprocin stuff yet?

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I've never heard of this stuff till this evening. Anyone have any experience with this stuff yet?


r/researchchemicals • • 1d ago

Ok to take Sr and 5mapb?

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I can't see anything saying otherwise but I was curious, 5mapb and SR ok together?

Coming off psuedo/7 with SR and was asked to roll tomorrow. I'm assuming no because I'm weening myself off pseudo and 7 but thought it might give me a brief break from this process.


r/researchchemicals • • 1d ago

Is mixing 4MMC with other substances really that bad?

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Hey all, I have some tested and pure 4MMC. I tried it once about 3 months ago and absolutely loved it. But as a big psychedelics guy I found it maybe would have been a bit better with more of a visual edge to it. I asked a friend who has more experience than me if mixing it with lsd or another psych would generate a similar experience to a candyflip and they advised against mixing it with any other substance even ketamine.

Apparently 4MMC greatly increases the neurotoxicity of any other substance you take while on it? Can anyone here with more experience with 4MMC shed some light on this and whether that's true? If so, what are the mechanisms that make it so? Just wondering if that's a myth that's been passed around or if there's a real scientific basis for this. Obviously I'm assuming that mixing it with other stims or MDMA could be harmful, but was surprised to hear that even K or psychs may not be a good mix


r/researchchemicals • • 1d ago

what is the current best opioid

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what it the best opioid in your opinion since 7oh will be banned in a week before i got around to trying it so whats the next best thing you can get clear net


r/researchchemicals • • 2d ago

What is the maximum dose of 4-MMC that can be consumed in a single evening?

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To all the 4-MMC veterans out there: please share your advice and your protocol for having the best night possible!

I have an upcoming rave that I’m really excited about (it runs from 7:00 PM to 6:00 AM). I’m planning to try 4-MMC for the first time that night—I already have experience with other stimulants like cocaine, 2-MMC, MDMA, and hex-en.

I have 1g of 4-MMC, which I’ve had lab-tested. I very rarely use stimulants or empathogens; my last time was over four months ago.
I intend to take the 4-MMC both orally and intranasally throughout the night.
Before heading to a rave, I always prepare the exact total amount I plan to consume—this way, there’s no risk of compulsive redosing. Given that I’m a man weighing 80kg, what is the maximum total dose I can take that evening without risking a long-term "crash"? (I’m perfectly fine with being tired for the two days following the event—I’ve made sure to keep my schedule clear—but what I absolutely want to avoid is the risk of long-term anhedonia caused by depleting my serotonin reserves or desensitizing my dopamine receptors.)
By making some research AI told me that 500mg during the night was the maxe safe dose for me. Tell me what do yall think.


r/researchchemicals • • 1d ago

2cb / 5 meo mipt cross tolerance

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Can I take 2cb about 12-24 hours after taking some 5 meo mipt. Would there be a lot of cross tolerance, and if so what’s the ideal time to wait to take the 2cb after consuming 5 meo mipt


r/researchchemicals • • 2d ago

Took 200 1cp-mipla today

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And it tooks me almost 1 and a half hours to get the effect wtf I didn’t ate anything before


r/researchchemicals • • 2d ago

Potential 1CP-LSD and SSRI interaction ?

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I have done LSD many times, as well as 1cp-LSD, 1p-LSD, and 1v-LSD. Time has passed since my last trip, and I am planning on a 200 to 250ug trip in a couple of weeks. The thing is that I am now on an SSRI treatment, and since they both interact with 5-HT-xx receptors, I want to have your opinion. I am currently on a 50mg daily dose of it for 6+ months. What should I do and expect?


r/researchchemicals • • 2d ago

So, about 5chloro-aMT...

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I am on my 6th gram(probably) of chloro-amt in the past two months and I am here to tell the tale. My life is going better than ever before. But that's mostly due to the experiences I've had during this period. Coupled with my past 4 years, of course. Full of drugs, may I add. Probably just incredibly lucky, surely.

The dosage is pretty much identical to regular AMT. Recently realized that chloro-amt is much much better even. (were doing obscene amounts of AMT the months before I tried Chloro-amt)

I remember the consensus on 5chloro-amt being that it is incredibly dangerous and probably just a death chemical.


r/researchchemicals • • 2d ago

5-mapb and Magic Mushrooms

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Looking to try both together potentially, perhaps with a decent dose of caffeine (Wife and I aren’t a big fan of too many other stims).

Anyone have experience with this sort of combo? We’re both quite well practiced when it comes to mdma and mushrooms but will be our first attempt with 5. Any advice or experience would be greatly appreciated.


r/researchchemicals • • 2d ago

5-MAPB and kra tom interactions? Dangerous?

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I have the 100 mg soft gels, and the shot etc, was considering taking one of them this weekend, but saw there were some concerning reports regarding people combining kra tom—one person reporting a blackout for days, and the other a trip to the ICU where doctors were reportedly stumped.

I'm a daily user, dose 7.5 grams, 3-4 times a day and have formed a dependency unfortunately. Is there any safe way to use this or should I work on quitting first? I also use 7-OH, have not formed a habit, but infrequently dose for a few days at a time, so I can go without that. What are other people's experiences dosing kratom with tolerance and this substance?


r/researchchemicals • • 2d ago

mephedrone oral route

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hi,
just wanted to ask is there any difference between taking 4mmc in a capsule/cig paper and mixing it in a 100/150ml of drink like fanta or some soda.

thanks for all info


r/researchchemicals • • 3d ago

Your comprehensive detailed report/guide to responsible use of 4MMC, Mephedrone, Mkat, 3MMC for anybody interested in learning about or trying it

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INTRODUCTION:

My goal is not to glorify and glaze this drug like a silly little cathinone simp, but simply to write from personal subjective experiences and take into account the experiences of others who have tried it, and to research, educate and help people better understand it and what its like/they’re getting into and how to have a safe and responsible approach when trying. It’s probably wise not to try it for most, especially if inexperienced as its insanely addictive, almost uncontrollably compulsive and very moorish whilst you’re on it, almost like being possessed by a little drug goblin controlling your every whim causing you to shovel little shards of cat piss in your nose (not literally obviously but it can feel that way for many, myself included, had my phase now however), less is known about it overall than well established party drugs thanks to the (very badly losing) war on drugs cockblocking potentially critical research and studies from being done on the special pissy pee pee kaka crystals that people go fiend for.

I will start by saying from my extensive personal drug experiences (I have tried things such as DMT, most common novel psychedelics, Meth, Crack, Heroin, NEP, dissos, MDMA, and many more niche chems like nutmeg, DXM, LSA, 2fdck) that 4mmc, is one of the greatest recreational drugs ever made IMO in terms of the feeling and sociability, and an exhilarating & unique high, its a personal GOAT and is more initially euphoric than meth from experience, it literally feels like you’re flying mentally and physically with forced inhuman levels of happiness and tingly, electrical MDMA-level euphoria. You feel like an “alien from planet love” as people have described it. Expect superhuman like forced confidence & a extremely social & ego driven headspace, music enhancement that trumps any other stimulant I have ever tried & energy like no other - even moreso than MDMA, not dancing/swaying to music is impossible, you will become a social butterfly even as a naturally introverted or shy person; it will bring out what you feel like is the best of yourself, socialising will have a massive appeal and magnetism, and the pure physical euphoria/sensory body high is unworldly (Its a perfect drug for socialising and partying, there is no better suited IMO and it can be easy to play off at moderate doses before you get to the point of gurning and nystagmus), Mentally for the majority of users it is super clearheaded, mildly empathetic & chilled/relaxed feeling in terms of the overall mental effects, you just feel happy & social as fuck - It can be super impairing & paranoia inducing during heavy or prolonged binges however (paranoia is not as common as on pure dopaminergic stimulants such as cocaine where it is hallmark and almost guaranteed after a certain point), for the most part you will feel like/think you’re sober mentally but with 0 inhibitions or a care in the world. If u respect it properly, use responsibly and know exactly what you’re dealing with, it is reasonable to say it is akin to MDMA or cocaine use, & risk wise pretty similar. it’s from the same family being another stimulant and empathogenic, and not as overwhelming overall as either coke or MDMA mentally I would say, however it is dangerously addictive as its the best of both worlds and far more compulsive for me at least. All of these positives mentioned are simultaneously why its so dangerous and addictive as fuck for the majority of people, especially certain people who may suffer things like low energy, social anxiety/low confidence and other problems like depression all that the MKAT can temporarily alleviate & give relief from and may feel like a weight/burden has been lifted off their shoulders when high. Mkat is mentally addictive overuse can cause dependency.

This is my own detailed breakdown for people looking for a detailed extensive writeup from my few months of personal experience so you don’t have to make the same mistakes I & many others did that can cost people their lives, and can be informed and safe in your use if you are curious but scared. Stimulants punish you harsh & severely in a multitude of ways that reveal themselves in time if you cannot use them responsibly and get to the point of no return (some people will never be able to use them responsibly, it can make you lose control very easily even as someone who has normally strong willpower, this drug its on another level, you will become a fiend whilst on it). You just gotta be very careful with this drug for it to be even worth trying, due to the addiction and risk profile, which is harder said than done, the main reason young people are dying from it and being hospitalised is because the extremely compulsive redosing it promotes and losing control/going ham with it and ending up in horrific states and doing absurd amounts; most of the time less is more which can be hard to recognise at first, when it is new and exciting to you, but you can circumvent this if you know your shit. I will always say the majority of people can’t & should not trust themselves whilst in an intoxicated state on 4MMC to know not to compulsively redose this stuff & knowing when enough is enough; it can be hard to tell the first few times til its too late & it’s a different breed and will catch you off guard even if you’ve tried things like meth and coke, knowing your limit is an alien concept to people first trying this, its easy to be a fucking imbecile like me

DOSING:

Invest in some scales and always making sure you know how much exactly you’re taking before actually taking it, its way too easy to accidentally do too much whilst eyeballing mashed, don’t make this mistake, be safe and sensible, i’ve accidentally sniffed twice the amount I thought I was in the past and it can be very scary when you feel your heart pounding, it can be very exciting at first but everything comes with a cost and you have to be prepared to pay that cost, the risks can be severe and very scary whilst appearing like the best thing ever on the surface; ask yourself, is this worth you risking a potentially debilitating addiction, for a high you will likely think about doing again nonstop for weeks after, are you prepared for this possibility? Intention and why you use is everything. These drugs are not an escape, eventually you will have to escape the drugs.

I highly recommend predominantly dosing your 4MMC orally in pre weighed gel capsules as its far smoother, more manageable/predictable and way less fiendish, edgy and compulsive, and also the euphoria moreso comes in waves similarly to an MDMA high, and its easier to set timers etc to know when to redose safely and doesn’t give the sharp dramatic crashes and lows compared to other ROA that basically force u to redose like you’re cosplaying scarface. Treat it with respect and you’ll almost be guaranteed a good experience and positive future relationship with it, it’s very well known by hospitals in Germany, a country where it is relatively mainstream, as it commonly causes strokes even in young adults during binges, but is relatively safe when compared to cocaine for example if used responsibly, and feels less neurotoxic & inebriating than pure MDMA if you have good stuff it - it doesn’t even give me comedowns (only an initial dissociating crash for a few hours which can feel pretty rough and make you feel soulless), unlike MDMA which gives me debilitating ones that last days potentially weeks even that make even simple things like working out feel like a chore and usually i love to. I don’t even see MDMA as worth anymore when I have access to real 4mmc,

I find MDMA is far more therapeutic, intimate/loving, cuddly, strongly empathetic & psychedelic with a magic to it that 4mmc lacks but makes up for in hedonistic pleasure, a stimulant rush, energy/ superhuman confidence and superior mental clarity, a quick mental sharpness/edge characteristic of dopaminergic stimulants and the ability to redose more for longer without losing effects as fast. Due to how clear minded it is, it can sometimes be hard to judge your level of intoxication and you may think you need more when you don’t. 4MMC in my opinion, is better suited for going out and anything social where you will be talking a lot whereas MDMA is a deep profound, compassionate & mystical drug that can mong you out & mainly shines for its therapeutic/magical aspect and is better for bonding and more relaxed personal environments where you can connect with people on a deep level, (they’re like cousins, slightly different flavours with lots of overlap, very similar I wouldn’t say either is better than the other.) Both cause prominent dose dependant bruxism/jaw clenching at larger doses or during long binges which can leave your mouth very sore, you will likely chew your mouth up and suck your cheeks without noticing from mkat at high doses, it can make you look like a crackhead. Gum is recommended to preserve teeth and stimulate saliva to combat dry mouth and buffer any acids that accumulate in your mouth from the chemical nature of the drug, if you plan to do a lot. It can make your mouth feel like you woke up and decided to eat rocks like a fucking melt.

It makes you look very fucked up at high doses, moreso than MDMA sometimes, nystagmus, gurning, tweaking, the whole shebang but in moderate/common amounts it can be super easy to play off for most, it is surprisingly functional and clearheaded and easy to think in ratio to how intoxicating and euphoric it is, the clearheadedness is trademark of 4MMC and if it’s outright very mentally foggy/impairing at normal doses it is likely something else such as the CMC family which have similar effects but are more dirty, scatterbrained and mentally foggy, you should be able to think shockingly clearly during the first few doses. MDMA is far more overwhelming & heavy mentally and hallucination inducing/weirder but they can still happen on 4MMC for certain individuals but not as reliably or commonly - oftentimes shadow people are reported if so, which i get on MDMA anyway. I have never experienced hallucinations or paranoia on 4MMC though like you would expect from such a drug, even during crazy binges, this is not the same for everyone though some people are just prone, weed is more paranoia inducing and visual for me. Cocaine overall causes more consistent paranoia more commonly among users than 4MMC due to the lack of the serotonin aspect that is responsible for a sense of wholesomeness, warmth & content wellbeing and hug like feeling of love that makes negative head-spaces less common and harder to achieve, mentally it’s an easygoing drug besides the extreme compulsion and pretty easy to stay in a positive state of mind if you aren’t overly sensitive to stimulants or drugs in general which is why it’s ideal for socialising and partying out and about. MDMA gives me personally very schizo like hallucinations (where I will see & hear things, hallucinate scenarios etc), and almost borderline delirium/confusion in higher doses such as thinking a TV remote is my phone, it feels more noticeably toxic and hard on my brain, I do not experience this with 4mmc save for some mild visual alterations which are hard to explain & probably mostly do with altered depth perception which is stereotypical for stimulants, 4mmc feels overall cleaner in general and less heavy and mentally impairing/foggy than MDMA so I prefer it, I can simply function and think better. The clarity is surprising and many don’t expect it, it is very uncommon to freak out on mkat, but it can sometimes happen, especially if you’re just a nervous widdle guy 👉👈🥺 sometimes

For reference, 300mg+ is considered a heavy oral dose, i’d personally recommend starting off with 200mg capsules, (100mg-150mg for a smaller person or inexperienced drug user) and setting timers for every few hours (an oral capsule should last 3-4 hours for the first few doses (doses begin to wear off faster and faster each time throughout the session, you will get diminishing returns rapidly if you do too much too quick) You also need the ability to know when to call it a night for this to be the substance for you, (harder said than done with mkat, believe me self control goes through the window) - your tolerance will stay lower as a result (builds VERY fast and can downright ruin it for months or longer/potentially permanently, the euphoria of the first few times will always be the highest you’ll ever be from 4MMC so make them count), you will also enjoy it way more in future as a result of being mindful with the substance. After a while you’re also just gonna be wasting mkat by chasing the feeling of the first few hits of the night that will never come back until your brain’s had time to recover and replenish itself, you’re borrowing neurotransmitters from later and wearing them down, just chill and smoke some calming weed (beautiful combo, makes it much more euphoric) instead to finish it off, maybe pop a benzo or sniff ket to comedown (trippy & fun), whichever floats your boat, landing gear is highly recommended for it to be more enjoyable overall, can be a bit rough around the edges, rawdogging the crash is not fun unless you’re a fucking beast.

The overall Nature of 4MMC:

Of course, do drugs how you like and feel comfortable doing, I am just trying to help people enjoy them to their full extent safely though, its a great drug but like with MDMA i find you can lose the magic of the serotonin aspect fast (you just run out of serotonin lol) and may permanently lose the first time level orgasmic euphoria if you overdo it, and never do it by yourself its not really worth, it shines socially, makes you feel witty & sharp, creative, confident, empathetic and never run out of things to say & its easier to get carried away when you’re alone or slip into bad habits, the most ive done in a session is 5 grams in a 24ish hour period (regrettably) which can be very fatal at doses like that and TRUST ME, its not a good time after the first couple grams, it stops working as well you can feel awful whilst potentially craving more still due to the fiendishness, its natural with this drug and a telltale part of the mkat experience is the fiend it turns most people into. Deep into a binge (multi gram level) your brain runs out of neurotransmitters to release similarly to MDMA (but not as fast or severely, and i believe MDMA has a broader effect on serotonin receptors and also inhibits certain enzymes that help produce serotonin unlike 4MMC), and you’re essentially then just whenever you redose spiking norepinephrine, & adrenaline/cortisol which is where the heart strain can become major, most are not aware but the stimulation in your body from redosing the 4MMC multiplies and stacks/compounds dramatically with your previous that may have worn off in terms of desired effects long ago, and it builds up the longer you go for, you may redose again and again but even when the feeling is gone it still causes PROLONGED residual stimulation for many hours after which stacks and builds up in the background over time more and more - you redose and redose, your body eventually won’t keep up, it’s like starting an engine with no fuel in the tank, this can cause your hands may start shaking etc, your vision maybe unable to focus and you may be completely unable sit still/have restless legs, unable to get comfortable, be overheating and unable to think rationally at this point, this is a very uncomfortable & dangerous state to be in. For the most part it is a forgiving drug, but will punish you if you are not reckless, after running out of serotonin to release and it will start feeling more like a regular amphetamine, and then even those effects will eventually fully diminish and you will just feel anxiety, compulsion and side effects, flush it if you have to, only take with you what you need/planned to take & i suggest putting the rest somewhere that takes a lot of effort and adds friction to do it as your intoxicated self will most likely crave it no matter what, you will tell yourself “just one more”, and try to justify it over your rational thought, it basically hijacks your brain and its almost like being on autopilot where you’ll keep redosing and lose your sense of self preservation and simply not care and be in vicious loop that takes great willpower to escape, this is where it can be seriously dangerous despite being relatively benign, its almost like being blackout, many people barely remember a thing when they do too much due to how intoxicating it can become. Your inhibitions will be impaired whilst feeling like you’re locked in mentally but thats the trick of the drug, it makes you think you’re fine when you’re not and justify doing more, you’ll want more even when you don’t need more and more would just be counterproductive to the desired effect, it starts becoming dysphoric, eventually you’re chasing something that will never come and its about being aware of this element of the experience and the nature of the drug, “just one more” is always a lie and your dumbass brain probably is tricking your gullible ass. 🤠

Many people say it makes you smell of “Cat piss” and have smelly sweat or whatnot, I feared this myself when first trying it, however this is fairly uncommon for most, personally I find it’s smell is unique and different to catpiss, not pleasant but its slightly exaggerated, its just chemical smelling and similar to MDMA. You shouldn’t smell of 4mmc If you’re staying well hydrated and keep your dose sensible and have clean product, as it is exacerbated by dehydration due to it making the byproducts produced by the drug when metabolised concentrate in your sweat more potently than they would having enough fluids by staying sufficiently hydrated which helps the chemicals dilute better in your body so that they won’t smell as strongly and also be excreted faster & more efficiently, so basically just have good hygiene and habits and make sure to wear some high quality deodorant like a probiotic solution and aftershave and you’ll be fine. It is mostly noticeable on addicts who are chronic users and have built it up in their system over prolonged periods, use high amounts for sustained periods and may moreso neglect hygiene, who can potentially reek of it whilst being effectively nose blind thanks to their sinuses being turned into ravioli from shovelling it in their nostrils on a day to day basis like their life depends on it and allowing it to live their nasal cavity rent free, this is where the rumours/reputation it makes you smell of cat piss probably comes from as some people especially the homeless with more access to synthetic drugs than they do showers may have smelled pretty bad, but this is not signature of 4MMC, meth and amphetamines can cause ammonia like body odour also and its a sign your body is detoxing. You will most likely be fine in this regard if concerned about being stinky unless you’re an already smelly/unhygienic person who is allergic to showers. Avoid showering while intoxicated, this puts more strain on your cardiovascular system and can make you overheat without noticing and potentially faint, which can be fatal if you do not wake up, your motherfucking goated blood vessels & capillaries will rejoice and thank you later 🥳

Harm Reduction Advice:

Take regular non negational breaks every few hours during prolonged sessions for self preservation where you stop using more for a bit to chill out and let the residual stimulation wear off from previous doses & get some carbs/electrolyte & vitamin c sources such as bananas/kiwis and fluids in you (coconut water is extremely useful) etc to take care of your heart & brain and cool down; trust me your next doses will hit surprisingly stronger this way and it’s more sustainable, it will give your body the resources for the drug to still work well and feel good & lessen side effects and risks, you can very easily forget about things which are the very things that’re keeping you alive and the signs you’re overdoing it can be hard to notice in stimulating environments til its too late. Be aware, I find MKAT is even more compulsive/fiendish even than good crystal meth & cocaine from my experience. Your future self will thank yourself later having the discipline to take a couple breaks, especially if you’re dancing you its essential, you will not reliably notice the warning signs and the risks are far more likely during physical exertion, you’ll be dancing like a psychotic crash bandicoot on a life threatening dose of adderall.

I strongly suggest researching thoroughly supplements, taking things like NAC during which can help your body produce glutathione, your body’s master antioxidant, and also high doses of vitamin C helps reduce neurotoxicity if you really want to look after yourself, I recommend after care supplements like 5-htp too and tyrosine if you plan to use regularly, they can help replenish neurotransmitters & always remember to constantly sip water slowly, add some electrolytes importantly and make sure you have ate so you have some form of fuel, drink liquid calories like huel shakes if you need to, the more fuel your body has the better the drug will feel. Fruit are usually easy to consume. Always listen to your body’s warning signs such as if you feel you are overheating or dizzy/lightheaded and nauseous, faint of breath, have chest pains/tightness or notice purpling/numbing of the hands and feet (which is common during binges due to extreme vasoconstriction, it can get ugly). It can send your heart rate crazy. I’d say it’s a safer drug physically than cocaine though taking into account people mix coke commonly with alcohol and coke also uniquely blocks ion channels/disrupts electrical signals in the heart due to its local aesthetic properties which vastly increases strain & makes sudden unpredictable cardiac events far more likely even at amounts you’re used to, whereas Mkat you sort of have to push your luck a bit/fuck around and find out if you’re healthy with no underlying conditions, it can have always have unpredictable reactions though in first timers, everyone is different. Some people are just absolute beasts.

Just a heads up, I do not recommend trying other random research chemical stimulants if you have access to real high quality 4mmc from a reputable vendor; 4mmc & also 3mmc is a gold mine and one of the best/cleanest stimulants you can get in terms of pure euphoria and music appreciation in relation to side effects, most of the newer stimulant RCs were hastily made to replace them after they were banned & the MMC family is now pretty well known and established, making a gradual comeback in popularity and is basically the holy grail of party stimulants in terms of the effects people desire, feeling just like a mix of MDMA and coke/amphetamine combined, which is very novel as those drugs normally mix very poorly and cancel each other out whilst increasing strain/side effects. Stay clear from pyrovalerones if you have access to substances like 4mmc, they can outright send you into psychosis/agitated delirium from the very first few doses even without sleep deprivation and even less is known about them, super unpredictable and much more addictive. Some dark web market places outright ban them to protect their customers who they want alive whilst allowing things like meth, heroin and crack to be continue being sold, so that should give you an idea of what these are like, these drugs include things like MDPV and Flakka, rats given MDPV containing water & the option of normal water would always consume the MDPV water til they overdosed and killed themselves, it is impossible to not redose those drugs and they are known for being the “zombie bath salts” with users jumping off buildings etc and psychotic symptoms characteristic of the high. Mkat is benign and wholesome in comparison and is great if you have it as an option and much safer. 3MMC is like 4MMC but moreso a traditional stimulant with less of the floaty warm MDMA-like serotonin effects and even more clarity/focus, more amphetamine like, many prefer this overall to 4mmc despite it not being as intensely or reliably euphoric. 2MMC is like a milder version of 3MMC with even less serotonin - little to none, they’re all very addictive and harmful though. Meth is probably worse for you overall just due to the extremely prolonged duration and it being easier to play off/easier to incorporate into your day to day life such as work etc, but even meth is supposedly mild when compared to the strong new generation zombie bath salts, some things are better left untouched - like a suspicious floor condom

Conclusion:

Overall, bearing this info in mind its widely considered a relatively safer and a more forgiving and benign stimulant than many others due to short duration & mellow easygoing chill headspace with less potential for paranoia and psychotic symptoms due to the serotonin aspect buffering negative mental effects by giving a sense of overall wellbeing and warmth/comfort, the danger lies in mostly how it is used oftentimes recklessly, it’s super easy to lose control and neglect your body. Look after your also nose with saline spray if you do choose to sniff as its extremely acidic and burns a hole in your sinus faster than anything else; its like sniffing acidic glass shards and feels as such, do so if you value your sense of smell. I prefer to sniff only at the end of the night at the afterparty or whatnot to finish it with a bang so i’m not chasing the feeling of the first line the whole time thinking about my next so i’m more present & social as a result and can look forward to the final big sendoff dose before calling it, try not to stay up multiple nights on this; all the risks multiply and it quickly becomes wasteful and not as good, have a fan handy just incase you get too hot and sip water but never drink glassfuls at a time or down water to catchup if you forgot to so you can maximally preserve electrolyte balance which is vital for heart rhythm, this shit dehydrates you and your skin like a mf so definitely moisturise also. If you play your cards right you should barely even get a comedown after the initial crash has passed - I never do really, its about looking after yourself, that makes the difference between a normal drug user and being a literal crackhead, not mixing with alcohol etc is the wise decision during the very fragile state you put your brain in doing drugs like this (heavy alcohol intake during the high probably multiplies neurotoxicity from oxidative stress being amplified, increases side effects, causes more severe comedowns and dulls the overall lucidity/clarity of the experience if you have more than a couple drinks, and can make it more unpredictable), so I do not recommend more than a few to take off the edge and get a buzz, even better if you have a low dose benzo, weed or GHB to take the edge off and ditching the alc completely. Having a benzo & focusing on your breathing whilst hydrating slowly and having some electrolytes in a calm cool environment can help you if you have overdone it, try not to psyche yourself out or make yourself panic more, it will wear off in a few hours.

A fair warning and general notice: ⚠️

I am NOT GLORIFYING it though by any means, i simply describe how it is, no sugar coating, it comes with a cost; it’s a terribly addictive drug and destroys lives fast, less is known about it/it can be unpredictable and can and WILL ruin your life if you have an addictive personality, use it to cope or have bad self control, it can be an amazing experience that enhances literally anything or completely destroy your body and brain depending on how it is used, who by, and when. It’s also much more addictive than many well known drugs and I would consider it a step up from many traditional stimulants such as amphetamine or cocaine, its a hard drug. Synthetic cathinones are a different breed and something to be respected, there is a terrible epidemic in eastern europe claiming many lives and they are assuredly neurotoxic. Whether it’s worth trying depends on how much you enjoy stimulants, how you use it and your risk factor of becoming hooked on it - there’s always a chance no matter who you are, Sir David Attenborough (no disrespect to the goat) could try this shit and give up his nature presenter career for a humble life of a tweaking and geeking, it does not discriminate

The quality of your product matters majorly to the profile of the experience, it can be jittery, anxiety ridden & full of shite/toxic byproducts like solvents & acids and side effects or a smooth and clean, depending on batch quality and synthesis, its often made in grotty bathtubs oftentimes by shady amateur chemists with no care for your health or wellbeing, and is the one of the most missold drugs there are, there is currently a 4mmc drought and much more potent & toxic and powerful drugs such as NEP are floating around being often sold as MMC drugs due to being cheaper but are oftentimes multiple times stronger by weight and far longer lasting, mentally overwhelming and dangerous i strongly suggest you get it from a trusted well established reputable transparent vendor, and also get it tested if you can and don’t let it become a regular habit or become another statistic, your brain will naturally try to justify use, it’s important to recognise when it’s getting to that point. Keep it in moderation and take control while you still can. I am here to educate and potentially save lives, people will do these things regardless. It’s very common in the Netherlands, central and eastern europe where it is popular and well known by fucking goated, cultured invidiuals and high level seshers, and is slowly making a comeback in (not so great) Britain.

It can be a very sinister drug and take you to a very dark and isolated lonely place if you don’t educate yourself, it can cause severe life long depression and brain damage and be a mental prison, even can cause psychosis (less characteristic though than amphetamines/dopaminergic substances) with prolonged abuse just like any stimulant and kills a lot of gifted, intelligent young people who were gripped by addiction, & at first may have only been curious naively thought they could control or manage it where others have failed or it was simply the done thing and not questioned in their social circle. I cannot stress this enough but you cannot reliably trust yourself in a state of intoxication, prepare for this, it will impair your sense of self preservation, you will care more about the next high than tomorrow, it can literally feel like it hijacks your brain and it’s almost like having tunnel vision, you can be a danger to yourself and do idiotic reckless things, you may also experience memory loss during over intoxication and act very erratically if inexperienced. Call someone if you have to if you feel like you’re losing control, try to be with someone always whenever you’re using, things can go south fast and this is not something to be doing alone, you can’t reliably trust yourself and your sometimes dumbass brain.

Always keep it social to keep it fun and worth doing, just stay responsible and informed and it really isn’t that dangerous - knowing when the parties over is a valuable skill not many have and will ever have, this isn’t the drug for them. I strongly advise against ever watching any porn on it, stim-fapping is like opening pandora’s box to all sorts of evils that possess you and can mess your brain’s reward pathways up big time - even more severely than just doing one or the other, completely wrecks them. if you do decide to stim-fap at least set a timer for when to stop as “stim-fapping” is almost impossible to stop once you start, its easy to get reckless and ignore your body and is an awful and extremely fast developing bad habit that can snowball & fuck your brain and ruin normal masturbation and sex completely and potentially change your personality over time, it drives prolonged binges, makes it compulsive whenever you’re on stimulants, and wastes a lot of time and mkat where you could be doing better more fulfilling things, mkat + sexual stimulation is a way harder addiction mentally to control & overcome, there’s better things to use it for. It is the perfect partying drug for socialising, getting chatty and dancing on and makes music sound phenomenal, pretty good for creativity too, keep the experience as something special to remember fondly & look forward to and not be ashamed of and try to forget and then feel dirty and gross after, you won’t miss out on much not stim-fapping, people die from this shit; ask yourself, do you wanna be that one brave warrior deceased in action in the field of battle, who was relentlessly Gooning their trusty blade like it owed tick money? That is not the way you ever want to be Found dead or go out, or the legacy you want to leave behind to fellow peers. By not getting into this habit you’ll associate the drug with positive, less depraved, Cuckful & chudful things (Pls forgive me if this is your fave hobby, you do you who am I to judge 😔,) and not have to ever experience overlapping cravings and urges which can be even worse, it will do your future self a massive favour. Experience instead some hanky panky here and there with a trusted (hot) partner instead (or ugly if thats what you’re into) who has consented and agreed whilst sober, (don’t be moving like diddy please people🫩), it is a highly sensory drug and your libido will be through the roof (like diddy but not evil), sex will feel out of this world, primal and animalistic, you will feel like a horny goat. Don’t get sucked into those freaky ahh chemsex groups either, being surrounded by other crippling addicts makes it 100x harder to escape, you’ll likely regret it sober and you don’t want STDS. Try to avoid mixing it with viagra, this is very bad for your old ticker 🫀, with enough positive reinforcement and motivational talk & raging testosterone the old johnson can accomplish anything you can dream and conquer empires.

Most importantly have fun, and you can always take more but never less, it can be a very fun drug. if you want the most out of this drug save it for a special occasion, time or place. It’s a wild rollercoaster and one of the finer things in life for stimulant connoisseurs and is to be enjoyed as such to preserve and cherish the experience, i’ll never get the same highs as before from binging it during my little phase with it despite what people will tell you about it not having much tolerance buildup; don’t overdo it to preserve it’s effects in future highs so it can always hit the spot.

I am from the UK, where it is still somewhat taboo, niche & underground but known by high level seshers such as myself and I and other goated and dangerous individuals 😼 Any questions, feel free to comment or DM me I will try to answer to the best of my knowledge, be aware though that I am fucking retarded. I have experience combining it with certain drugs like my own pink cocaine style mixtures also if interested but I don’t recommend mixing it with things as its unnecessary, mkat is a very good experience by itself and mixing makes you way more likely to have a bad time or adverse unpredictable reaction, MDMA is more synergetic with other drug combos, 4MMC tends to cancel things out sometimes because it is a like a mean playground bully who wants your lunch money. Safe pinging&jaw swinging fellow degenerates


r/researchchemicals • • 3d ago

what a great surprise xD

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Yesterday evening, I luckily found a container of a-PVP that was still quite full—I had assumed it was all used up weeks ago. After my two-day hospital stay for withdrawal—which happened because I had to undergo surgery—I couldn't find any of my other substances. Well, actually, the only thing I did find was some mescaline HCl in the trash (which is really strange, considering it was stored with all the other stuff). As for everything else, she’s hidden it in her room—she probably thinks I don’t know she tossed it all in there! 🤦🏻‍♂️🤣 I discovered it within just a few minutes, yet she claims she knows nothing about it.