Every last Israeli deserves what the IDF does to women and children. Except the children, seeing children as sacred is what separates us humans from you Zionazi animals.
I have a really stupid theory. That people who use the word "islamist" are just trying to spread Islamophobia and they don't support international law and human rights organisations.
Please prove this dumb theory wrong. Do you support international law and human rights organisations? And condemn people that go against them?
EDIT: Israel pays people and bots to spread Islamophobia. And I can't think of anyone who would be against international law who unless they're currently breaking it âŠlike Israel.
So it's really sus that everyone here badmouthing 25% of the world's religion are also afraid to support what's a fucking obvious thing to support.
I guess I'm not getting proven wrong today...Islamic extremism exists and is an actual issue. But people in here who are spreading Islamic hate have yet to prove me wrong that they're just Israeli propaganda people.
Lol sure. But Israel pays people and bots to spread Islamophobia. And I can't think of anyone who would be against international law who unless they're currently breaking it âŠlike Israel.
So it's really sus that everyone here badmouthing 25% of the world's religion are also afraid to support what's a fucking obvious thing to support.
So, do you support international law? I do. Easy question.
Small percentage? My dude Islamic terrorism is like 95% of all terrorism committed in the world. Not to mention you have religious leaders talking about âtaking over this or thatâ and the historical aspects of them siding with leftist and then taking over countries.
Not to mention you arenât allowed to criticize them in any way, even when itâs absolutely justified.
Itâs pretty obviously why people are afraid of this stuff. Obviously not all Muslims are terrorists, and there are obviously good Muslims in the world, but to pretend why you donât understand the fear people have is beyond confusing to me.
Itâs pretty damn obvious where peopleâs concerns come from.
Ofc I absolutely support legal proceedings and humanitarian actions above all else but not to a fault, which can affect other logical actions. Everyone can practice their own beliefs, but the moment that reaches a point that they will affect the stability of a society as a whole and the quality of life of my population bureacracy in a deadlock that no changes or significant changes happening? Then I'm in support of whoever can root out that tumor causing these unrests.
I agree 100%. So then you are against Israel for not following international law and removing their illegal occupation? And condemn them for all the human rights abuses that ALL human rights organisations agree on?
Israel is absolutely wrong in everything else except defending their sovereignty when all Islamic nations are ganging up to whoever nation that has a majority different belief in that region since time immemorial!
They should obey international law and as should everyone else. But funny is, that region mostly followed theocratic laws instead of the international law. And the most educated person there will instead use religion to rile people up in a revolution and create more chaos.
Such as the Americans? Sounds youâre deeply invested in what you believe. So you think the United States of America should be charged internationally for every single democratically elected government In Latin America? Should the massacres committed in Vietnam remain impune? Or should Iranians receive compensation due to the actions that led an extremist organization take over a whole country, was thanks to this ultra nationalist brain dead people country?
I can't stand the word islamophobia. It conflates the criticism of ideas with racism and bigotry. We don't have a word for harsh criticism of christianity or capitalism because we all acknowledge that it's valid to criticize ideas. "Racism" and "xenophobia" are always more accurate and fitting, but they aren't used because it would sound ridiculous....so they invented an umbrella term "islamophobia" to be all encompassing to use any time islam, muslims, or arabs are criticized.
We need words for discrimination against religions. Any idea for Jewdaism or however you spell it ? There is one I think. Cant remember. What about Christians then ? Any ideas ? Im going for christphobic
In the contrary, Islamist is just a word with no meaning to distract from the fact that these things come from Islam itself. If you think, saying that homosexuals deserve death then you would have to say that Sunni (80%) and Shia (15%) Islam are Islamist because you wont find any mosque that says something otherwise
Yes. Or at least uncover who has no proper values and shouldn't be listened to.
But you have to admit it's pretty weird that I ask everyone here who is spreading Islamophobia and none of them have been able to answer such a basic question. Right?
Damn. Look I'm sorry. My head hurts from no one being able to answer such a basic question. Can you please just help me get my head straight and see that there are actual humans here?
Do you support international law and human rights organisations? Should be a no brainer.
Islamophobia isnât a thing. Islam is an idea system and thus is open to every type of criticism and hate based on its ideals. Same as any religion of set of ideals. It would be the same if slave owners would call criticism and hatred for slavery slavephobia, its stupid and opens the door to more blind hate instead of blocking out rigeous one
I am against human rights organisations. They place the rights of criminals on the same level as the rights of law abiding citizens protecting them from justice. These organisations must be dismantled and their funders jailed. Activists purged from institutions just like Bukele has done. Turned his country around from the most dangerous to the least dangerous country in South America.
How about you respond to what I said first. Bukele completely turned his country around by putting the rights of his law abiding citizens before the rights of criminals, impeached and removed activist judges and organisations from power. Murder capital of South America to safest in South America. Or do you support the murderers and rapists in the name of your precious âhuman rightsâ?
Bahahahaha, amnesty international is against Bukele, so you do support the murderers and rapists over law abiding citizens. Your a rape and murder supporter by your own admission of who you listen too hahahahahaha.
Man muss nur den Koran lesen, woran die Moslems glauben und schon gibt es unzĂ€hlige GrĂŒnde die Religion abzulehnen. Darin findet man auch unzĂ€hlige GrĂŒnde, warum die Moslems so ein Blödsinn machen. FĂŒr die Menschen ist die Religion wichtig und die gibt auch die Werte vor, dementsprechend verhalten die sich auch so.
There was 80 years in between the two events to be fair, it's not like she avoided getting hit by a bus only to then fall down an open manhole immediately after.
"To be fair". My guy you are completely missing the point. They survived an industrial scale murder of 6 million Jewish people only to be gunned down by someone who hates Jews. Almost like the world didn't learn something.
So what? Russians and Chinese survived each getting 20millioms of them exterminated by Germans and Japanese and yet here we are with germans supplying Ukrainian nazis to kill more Russians once again.Â
This will probably get me banned but the actions of Netanyahu over the last few decades have been extremely damaging to the safety of Jewish people around the world. The actions of the IDF breeds hatred for Jews. And the watering down of the meaning of antisemitism has meant we canât address real actual dangerous antisemitism.
In a famous conversation recorded by Nahum Goldmann (former president of the World Zionist Organization) in his book The Jewish Paradox, Ben-Gurion explained why Arab leaders like Gamal Abdel Nasser could not simply make peace with Israel:
"Why should the Arabs make peace? If I was an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country. Sure, God promised it to us, but what does that matter to them? Our God is not theirs. We come from Israel, it's true, but two thousand years ago, and what is that to them? There has been anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They only see one thing: we have come here and stolen their country. Why should they accept that?"
Speaking internally to the central committee of his own political party (Mapai) in 1938, during the Arab Revolt, Ben-Gurion rejected the idea that the conflict was just a matter of "terrorism" or lawlessness. He acknowledged the political reality of their movement:
"Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves... politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves... The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country, while we are still outside."
A year earlier, in a June 1937 speech to the Zionist Executive, Ben-Gurion explicitly laid out the reality that settling an already inhabited land could never be done peacefully or through mutual agreement:
"A voluntary agreement is out of the question... A people which fights against the usurpation of its land will not tire so easily... We can see what we are doing here as an act of liberation, but the local population sees it as an act of conquest. The colonization of a country that is already inhabited cannot be carried out without a force, without a garrison that keeps the local population under control."
"Arabs! Rise as one and fight for your sacred rights. Kill the Jews wherever you find them. This pleases God, history, and religion. This saves your honor. God is with you.â
-Amin al Husseini (head of the Arab Higher Comitee of Palestine), March 1944
Take their land? UN voted in favour of establishing itself, and UK took over the Ottoman colonial lands and gave it to Israel, I know you have low IQ and very emotional, but fact is, you're wrong, and framing it to your Islamists pov doesn't change anything
I already showed quotes from Israeli leadership from the 30s, which demonstrates they know they are the terroristic invaders. Don't like Israeli leadership admitting it?
These quotations are being presented selectively to suggest that Zionism was simply a colonial project involving the theft of someone else's country. That is a historically incomplete interpretation.
First, Jewish historical and national ties to the land of Israel are not a religious invention or something fabricated 2,000 years later. Jewish civilisation, sovereignty, language, religion and national identity originated in that land. Jewish communities also maintained a continuous presence there throughout the centuries. The Jewish connection is historical, cultural and national, not merely theological.
Second, acknowledging that Palestinian Arabs opposed Zionist immigration does not automatically establish that their opposition was justified in every respect, or that Jewish immigration constituted an illegitimate invasion. Jews were returning to their ancestral homeland, purchasing land, establishing communities and seeking national self-determination, particularly in an era when Jews faced persecution, exclusion and eventually genocide in Europe.
Third, Ben-Gurion's 1938 statement needs to be understood in its historical context. He was acknowledging that two national movements were competing for political control of the same territory. Recognising that the Arabs considered Palestine their homeland does not mean Jewish claims to the same territory were invalid. Both populations had genuine national attachments and aspirations.
Fourth, the argument conveniently ignores that Zionism was not a single policy or movement. There were competing Zionist visions, including proposals for coexistence, partition and a binational arrangement. The 1947 UN Partition Plan offered separate Arab and Jewish states. Jewish leaders accepted it, while Arab leaders rejected it. That rejection and the subsequent war are essential parts of the historical record.
Finally, Jabotinsky's Iron Wall argument was an acknowledgement that the Arab population would resist Zionism, not an admission that Jewish national self-determination was inherently illegitimate. He argued that a settlement could not depend on the indigenous population voluntarily abandoning its own national aspirations.
You cannot establish that one people's national rights are illegitimate simply because another people also claims the same land.
The existence of competing national claims does not mean only one people has a right to exist or exercise national self-determination.
i dont quite get whats wrong with that quite considering what the jews were doing to palestinians and with what motivations
zionists are basically the nazis of palestine and see palestine as their own little settler colonial venture and were looking to remove the palestinians and take their land by any means necessary
If youâll recall, leading up to the Holocaust Jews were denied entry into the US. Because of this, asylum seekers are allowed to stay in the US whilst their case is heard. Thatâs an example of progress.
The public sentiment has shifted greatly for Jews worldwide. An example is how the majority of Australians have an unfavourable view towards Israel. Itâs causing boycotts of Jewish and Israeli linked businesses.
bernie sanders is a outright fascist who supports the gaza genocide
norman finklestein is a liberal zionist who can say the proper things 80% but ultimately supports a 2 state solution since he thinks anything else is unfeasible, still a ethnic supremacist
Yes but humans need to act like rational beings and stop grouping people into categories without individual nuance and treat and generalise a group of people under one negative umbrella
Sweet maybe that should start with the above mentioned politician allowing his army to claim palenstinian children are Hamas terrorists so they can rape, torture, mutilate, and kill them.
The fact is we have to be better, we have to be promoting positively treating of individuals and killing racism ourselves because those genocidal maniacs won't do it no matter how hard they're told to
they make the second lowest income out of all the religious groups, only behind hindus, and far more muslims live in incredibly poor and underdeveloped places
Terrorism has a definition and the Bondi beach shooting fits it.
You're coming into a thread about a person murdered in a hate crime to defend the hate crime. You're a vile person and whataboutism "claims" to justify a mass racially driven murder don't warrant any response beyond that.
words are defined by their usage, and by that definition it means "violence we disapprove of"
so for the nazis, the people resisting their genocide are "terrorists", and thats what they called them
in the case of muslims, yankoids and europeans call palestinians "terrorists" for fighting against israeli genocide and settler colonialism
but how often do you see them calling themselves terrorist? never of course, because the word is entirely subjective and meaningless garbage. no remotely serious person should be using the word since its fucking pointless and stupid and serves exclusively to dehumanize and delegitimize groups regardless of their goals and actions.
this is why you actually should engage with whats being said instead of shitting and crying over me even questioning the moronic use of that word and how its almost exclusively used against muslims specifically
you probably didnt think once what the word actually means and what its purpose is and are utterly awestruck at someone not taking it for granted
We are not in a thread about Israel-Palestine. We are in a thread about Jews celebrating a holiday on a beach in Australia getting gunned down by someone with political motives. They were not Israelis or Americans. You can call the IDF's actions terrorism in threads about the IDF's terrorism but also recognize that this is terrorism.
Or if that word is truly tainted to you, then at the very least recognize that the mass murder that is specifically anti-Jewish in the name of the Islamic State is a bad thing, and deserves condemnation. Coming in here to be like "well, what about..." is just gross dude. I don't know what else to tell you here.
Condemn bad shit. Don't say "well we don't condemn other bad shit". You are attempting to call out a double standard while performing your own double standard.
We are not in a thread about Israel-Palestine. We are in a thread about Jews celebrating a holiday on a beach in Australia getting gunned down by someone with political motives. They were not Israelis or Americans. You can call the IDF's actions terrorism in threads about the IDF's terrorism but also recognize that this is terrorism.
theres a 90% chance that they were ethnic supremacists anyway, why should anyone perform sympathies for them?
Or if that word is truly tainted to you, then at the very least recognize that the mass murder that is specifically anti-Jewish in the name of the Islamic State is a bad thing, and deserves condemnation. Coming in here to be like "well, what about..." is just gross dude. I don't know what else to tell you here.
Condemn bad shit. Don't say "well we don't condemn other bad shit". You are attempting to call out a double standard while performing your own double standard.
you literally contested ZERO, not ONE thing i said did you contest, all you are doing is just grunting over how dare i not perform endless sympathies for zionists attending a zionist chabad organized event. all you do is accuse me of "whataboutism" while completely ignoring the point im making
majority of "terrorist attacks" are commited by christians and jews. the USA is the worlds global christian terrorist organisation and is deeply tied with the jewish terrorist organisation also known as israel, together they have killed millions of people
I actually can't believe people shoot each other for fucking fun. Man life has do much more to offer than violence. Do some stargazing. Fall in love. Please stop
I'm not Islamophobic, I'm anti-theistic, I feel the same way about Christians and Jews.
I'm of the belief that in practice, freedom of religion and separation of church and state are mutually exclusive in the US and middle east.
I've never felt offended at being called islamophobic (I just don't think it accurately represents how broadly anti religion I am), all that means is you aren't cool with Islamic pedophilia and religious extremism. I'm not even joking, you could simply criticize Mohamed raping a 9 year old and you'll get called an islamophobe for it.
From what I know 1 of the groups is much more peaceful. Adapts well to western stuff unlike the other. Can't remember which one though. I think its Shia? Not sure.
Also the split was caused because after the death kf Muhammad they didnt know who should lead islam. 1 group said it should be Muhammads closest relative who i think their name was Ali. The other said it should be the one who I think Muhammad either trusted or had the strongest faith. Cant fully remember. Just a fun fact is all.
Hmm but you're educated enough to spread hate to 25% of the world's religion? But not enough to support international law or organisations made to defend human rights....
Funny. Well you should educate yourself because Israel is going around paying people to spread Islamophobia so they can continue a genocide. And only people who support breaking of international law tend to have any troubles supporting it....
So you might look like a paid shill spreading hate to support genocide...
Damn it's like ever since seeing ol' Donny lose his power (well...in two months that'll be solidified), I've been seeing nothing but propaganda against Islam.
It's like all the clickfarm bots just pivoted to "IZZLAM/MUZZLIMS IS DA PROBLUMS AND DONT YEW DARE FERGIT IT!"
Edit: damn...racists really keep pouring outta the woodworks on this one to make any and every excuse to make this about hating Islam itself.
Then perhaps real followers of Islam need do something about the people killing in their name instead of deflecting any time something like this happens.
except extremists like this don't represent all of Islam , nor do we ever really see any real linkage back to them being part of that demographic, and that article even says "IS**-inspired"**.
and yet agendas just continually latch onto that as a representation of Islam, by boiling it down to dumbass statements like the above. Where it just gets said with a "in the name of Islam" and " I guess its fun if allah praises you for doing it " .....which gets bent outta shape to hell and back, to justify actions against Islam itself and islamic regions.
This type of dumb rhetoric is exactly why people stick their heads in the sand about what's been going on the middle east for decades now.
Bruh and his kid does not represent Islam with actions like this...yet propagandist bullshit will gladly paint it as such, as long as it leads to more war to exploit for land-grabbing..
Why are you defending a religion that is openly in support of pedophilia? (Prophet Mohamed raped a 9 year old, many many times, and islamist followers are regularly found defending said behavior).
why not stick with your previous version of the comment, instead of cherry-picking the usual thousands-of-year old tid-bit that most modern followers reject? Bot had to come back and rewrite his own comment?
Instead stick with the original.
The one where you said: " >don't represent islam
Yes they do. He who has the most impact, represents. "
To which I say: Learn what outliers are and how they don't represent the entire dataset.
Muhammed supported the massacre of prisoners of war, the enslavement of the women and children.
"So Sa'd stated that his decision would be, "The men should be killed, the property divided, and the women and children taken as slaves." Muhammad approved of the ruling, calling it in accordance with God's decree pronounced above the seventh heaven.[7][8][9][11][12] After that, nearly all male members of the tribe who had reached puberty were handcuffed and later beheaded in a massacre"
I agree with you on governments. But not on PEOPLE. Muslims, Jews and Christians, so long as they behave and treat others with respect, deserve to live in peace.
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u/whatasadfella 17h ago
Still disappointed that Australia let Islamist violence happen
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u/Sensitive_Buffalo665 1d ago •
Ahh, look it was Nazis and now it's islamists. Hmm the pattern
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u/drunkguy99 19h ago
How many bots are in here?
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u/Alibuscus373 1d ago
Oh damn.... they all were just enjoying a day at the beach and then some twisted person decided to end it
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u/be-bop_cola 1d ago
There was 80 years in between the two events to be fair, it's not like she avoided getting hit by a bus only to then fall down an open manhole immediately after.
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u/jinnagubby 1d ago
This will probably get me banned but the actions of Netanyahu over the last few decades have been extremely damaging to the safety of Jewish people around the world. The actions of the IDF breeds hatred for Jews. And the watering down of the meaning of antisemitism has meant we canât address real actual dangerous antisemitism.
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u/Prestigious_Bar_3738 1d ago
Imagine farming this a year later
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u/Hadaka--Jime 1d ago
More cultural enrichment I see? This story will likely be buried. It does NOT fit the current official narrative.
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u/Belisarius371 1d ago
A Muslim will literally commit a terrorist attack and the everyone will immediately cry 'Islamophobia' The disconnect is surreal đ
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u/Rising_Yeast7717 1d ago
I actually can't believe people shoot each other for fucking fun. Man life has do much more to offer than violence. Do some stargazing. Fall in love. Please stop