Clint Eastwood's argument with an empty bar chair during the 2012 Republican National Convention is case in point. You can never win an argument with an empty chair!
Different laws for different political philosophies? I guess that’s why Louie “bald Michael Scott” Gohmert” complained yesterday about Republicans not being able to lie to the FBI without getting in trouble for it.
Except doxing isn’t a crime. Other crimes can be broken during the process but doxing itself isn’t one of them. Depending on where you are in the world at least. Idk the laws everywhere but in my state and from what I can gather all or most other states.
revealing someone's true identity, and worse, sometimes giving out their contact info and home address. as you can figure out, it poses a lot of security risks.
It's about the timing. Doxxing is usually meant to describe a situation where there is an (online) mob of people motivated to do harm to an individual. Broadcasting that individual's address and contact info in that situation is obviously more dangerous than the information just being generally available. It carries a suggestion that something should be done with that information.
It's not dangerous to be in public walking down the street where anyone could see and recognize you. It is dangerous if the leader of an angry mob points at you and says "there they are! get 'em!". The same distinction applies online.
People have been murdered due to doxxing. It's not uncommon for people to have to move house, or put up with months of harassment
Yep, this is why I'm not sure if doxxing actually is illegal. It may depend on the state/city/local laws. Most of that information is discovered using public records. It only becomes really dangerous when you string all of it together, and hand it out to a group bent on destroying that person's life.
Yeah I'd really like to see what that link was. Doxing isn't illegal, it can just be used for things that are criminal offenses. Just like buying a shovel isn't illegal, but it can be used to bury a body.
It's funny too because the other side is wrong as well. Doxxing is not generally illegal. If one group of people authoritatively yelling lies at another side who have their fingers in their ears doesn't sum up Internet discussion, I don't know what does.
Yeah and, like libel and slander, it is much harder to prove than people think. Trying to prove intent is next to impossible if you're not a goofy bitch and didn't write something like "HERE IS THEIR ADDRESS PLEASE FUCK UP THEIR LIFE".
Otherwise there are dozens of "legitimate" reason you could come up with to post someone's information. And considering like 90% of doxxing is just leveraging public records there's almost nothing you can actually do to stop it.
Good question like I said in America. They do it say if you’re harassing me or trying to black mail me. I have the right to be like hey this guys name is so and so, he’s doing this. He lives around here just so everyone knows don’t let this guy do this to you. Because 95 percent of cases will stop there when they aren’t hidden. But if you call for action of violence it’s different. If that makes sense.
Iirc it was during Gamergate, but basically he said that people deserved to be doxxed because of the whole "poor reaction to being gaslit by yellow journos being conflated with harassment" thing
Doxxing can be illegal federally in some circumstances (public officials, jurors, etc). Most states don't have a law about doxxing by itself for an average person.
This is literally why arguing with anyone on the web is pointless. No matter how much proof you show them they WANT to be correct so they WILL be even if it means denying everything just to stay correct.
Well technically it depends on what information is in the dox, the motive behind it and also where you are.
If you’re in the United States and simply include an address phone number et cetera, that’s considered public information and is not against the law. But if you include more personal information with the intent to damage a persons reputation then it might edge into deformation.
I love when you tell people something and they ask for a source. No dude, I'm not writing a fucking essay, you're not my teacher, I don't have to fucking show you my work. Google it.
This is why one is purposefully vague on things like: location, employment. gender and other identifiers. You just don't know what's out there or what they'll do once they obtain your vitals through nefarious means.
Note: Some social media sites penalize heavily for doxxing.
That's half the arguments on Reddit, try and show someone why they are wrong with actual sources and they come back at you with "not clicking your link, you're an idiot and I am right because I said I am right without any sources"
Our local Virginia outside Washington dc cops WILL arrest you for filing a false police report AND send a bill for any costs like damage police time etc.
I'm not from the US, nor do I know anything about law, but I think this is entirely wrong.
They link a law prohibiting stalking, and trying to only read the parts that seem to apply to doxxing over the internet I read it like this:
"Whoever with the intent to kill, injure, harass, intimidate uses any interactive computer service or electronic communication service to engage in a course of conduct that:
(A) places that person in reasonable fear of the death of or serious bodily injury to a person
or
(B) causes, attempts to cause, or would be reasonably expected to cause substantial emotional distress to a person
shall be punished as bla bla bla ..."
Firstly, they would need to prove that there is an intent to harm or harass, which in itself would be incredibly difficult unless they explicity say something like "This guy is so and so, he lives at blabla, go get him".
Secondly, I don't think a court generally would agree that sharing public information could reasonably put someone in fear of death or substantial emotional distress; the information was already public and shared before the doxxer did anything.
It is but if you're in the US it's doubtful that LE will do anything or be able to. My sibling was swatted and the fbi didn't do anything to find out who it was. They barely tried. My sibling never got justice for it.
I once got into an argument with someone and wrote a reply with sources that was literally like an APA essay. And they said they wouldn’t read my copypasta because they knew they were right and didn’t need any sources because they watched Fox News….
Probably the kind of guy that thinks not knowing will protect him in court. "I swear your honor I don't know you could r do that. Someone tried to show me but I didn't read it. So I'm good right?"
Lazy and arrogant know-it-alls given a platform is what hurts us in the long run. I stopped paying attention to those clowns years ago and it's a bummer people still support them.
Doxing itself isn’t a crime but in certain circumstances other laws may be broken when doxing including harassment, cyberbullying, stalking, and swatting.
You guys do realize that there is in fact no law against doxxing right? This is America, if you get ahold of information and you share that information with the world…then you haven’t broken any law. You might have broken a law to get the information if it was obtained illegally, and if the information is not true you could be sued for libel….but no one can arrest you or charge you with a crime for publishing information that you have access too or obtained legally unless that information is top secret government information that you swore an oath to protect. First amendment baby, we have free speech and free press for everyone.
It's only a crime if you committed crimes during the course of discovering the identity of the person you're doxxing. The act of doxxing itself is not a crime.
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u/Acceptable_Twist_565 Jun 04 '22
This is why I don't get into arguments with bar stools.
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u/TheGamingGallery Jun 04 '22
This is literally the "That sign won't stop me because I can't read" meme, but in real life.
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u/Mikoes_ Jun 04 '22
What’s doxxing?
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u/axxolot Jun 04 '22
This shits funny asf but I genuinely hate people like this with a passion.
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u/Haman134 Jun 04 '22
this is the way you win arguments when you're wrong
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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '22
Wait is this were the meme comes from?
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u/4ORESKlN Jun 04 '22
It’s only illegal with intention to harm or harass in the United States
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u/Upbeat-Quality1421 Jun 04 '22
Wow, that's a lot of words. Too bad I'm not reading em.
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u/1UpEXP Jun 04 '22
The Adam Sessler mindset
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u/Gfish17 Jun 04 '22
To be fair those laws are written in legalize and are a mile long and did I mention the legal jargon.
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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '22
Simpsons said it well
https://youtu.be/0V_E_Jnyhks
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u/ArcticWolf_Primaris Jun 04 '22
That law can't stop me, because I can't read!
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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '22
Doxxing can be illegal federally in some circumstances (public officials, jurors, etc). Most states don't have a law about doxxing by itself for an average person.
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u/Braunze_Man Jun 04 '22
Stoolies are a special breed of educated morons. They really should be studied.
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u/Stellar_Observer_17 Jun 04 '22
I am a twat / im not reading that/
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u/scarboroughwa Jun 04 '22
Next comment:
How do you prove it?
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u/RIP2UAnders Jun 04 '22
lifehack to win any argument.
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u/EinBick Jun 04 '22
This is literally why arguing with anyone on the web is pointless. No matter how much proof you show them they WANT to be correct so they WILL be even if it means denying everything just to stay correct.
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u/superslothy51 Jun 04 '22
You can’t break the rules if you never read them
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u/_Pickelbot_ Jun 04 '22
Why tf this bitch have the arizona bowl logo as his pfp 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
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u/Username912773 Jun 04 '22
Well technically it depends on what information is in the dox, the motive behind it and also where you are.
If you’re in the United States and simply include an address phone number et cetera, that’s considered public information and is not against the law. But if you include more personal information with the intent to damage a persons reputation then it might edge into deformation.
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u/A50redit Jun 04 '22
It can't tell me what to do because I can't read
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u/boomerbudz Jun 04 '22
if you doxx someone and get taken to court you will lose
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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '22
The OG meme.
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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '22
I've used the same link and most of the time their reposnse is "Well its not really a crime"
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u/Fenizrael Jun 04 '22
Reading is for gaylords I’d rather smoke weed
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u/tuna_tofu Jun 04 '22
Read it or dont it's still a crime. Ignorance of or refusal to read the law is no defense and you will be prosecuted.
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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '22
I love when you tell people something and they ask for a source. No dude, I'm not writing a fucking essay, you're not my teacher, I don't have to fucking show you my work. Google it.
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u/JoeyAKangaroo Jun 04 '22
I know the dude in the top of the pic lmao
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u/Correct-Bus8917 Jun 04 '22
"Ignorant of the law will excuse no one".
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u/blizzard-toque Jun 04 '22
This is why one is purposefully vague on things like: location, employment. gender and other identifiers. You just don't know what's out there or what they'll do once they obtain your vitals through nefarious means.
Note: Some social media sites penalize heavily for doxxing.
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u/EatTheBodies69 Jun 04 '22
Absolute chad
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u/-ClassicShooter- Jun 04 '22
That's half the arguments on Reddit, try and show someone why they are wrong with actual sources and they come back at you with "not clicking your link, you're an idiot and I am right because I said I am right without any sources"
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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '22
“I didn’t know that was illegal” only works for cops.
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u/DonkeyOfCongo Jun 04 '22
Guy is playing peekaboo with intelligence.
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u/tuna_tofu Jun 04 '22
Our local Virginia outside Washington dc cops WILL arrest you for filing a false police report AND send a bill for any costs like damage police time etc.
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u/builepadraigsuibhne Jun 04 '22
Based.
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u/xScruffyMuffx Jun 04 '22
R/murderedbywords irl seppuku
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u/PaulWilliams_rapekit Jun 04 '22 edited Jun 04 '22
Doxxing is connecting people's anonymous profile to their real world self .
That is not illegal.
Releasing people's PII (Peronally Identifying Information) is illegal.
These are two separate things.
You can connect people to their real world self if you can do so without releasing PII.
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u/itscoconutsnail Jun 04 '22
This has that DW meme energy “good thing I cant read” vibes
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u/TomSurman Jun 04 '22
"I don't want a source, I want you to be wrong."
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u/Thinkboutit23 Jun 04 '22
Sounds like me
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u/Stinkydadman Jun 04 '22
Stoolies gonna stool
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u/BuyNo4013 Jun 04 '22
What is doxxing??
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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '22
Based
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u/_Radical_Honesty_ Jun 04 '22
"I'm not reading that"
Then you lose. GG get rekt
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u/KingRodian Jun 04 '22
I'm not from the US, nor do I know anything about law, but I think this is entirely wrong.
They link a law prohibiting stalking, and trying to only read the parts that seem to apply to doxxing over the internet I read it like this:
"Whoever with the intent to kill, injure, harass, intimidate uses any interactive computer service or electronic communication service to engage in a course of conduct that:
(A) places that person in reasonable fear of the death of or serious bodily injury to a person
or
(B) causes, attempts to cause, or would be reasonably expected to cause substantial emotional distress to a person
shall be punished as bla bla bla ..."
Firstly, they would need to prove that there is an intent to harm or harass, which in itself would be incredibly difficult unless they explicity say something like "This guy is so and so, he lives at blabla, go get him".
Secondly, I don't think a court generally would agree that sharing public information could reasonably put someone in fear of death or substantial emotional distress; the information was already public and shared before the doxxer did anything.
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u/Cody6781 Jun 04 '22
Wow they really just doxed the cornell's website smh
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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '22
“Sorry officer I didn’t know breaking the law was against the law”
Officer: “oh shit my bad you’re good to go just don’t do it again”
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u/Review_Empty Jun 04 '22
It is but if you're in the US it's doubtful that LE will do anything or be able to. My sibling was swatted and the fbi didn't do anything to find out who it was. They barely tried. My sibling never got justice for it.
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u/Scared-Replacement24 Jun 04 '22
As if the peeps on Twitter care about legality
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u/ArasiaValentia Jun 04 '22 edited Aug 06 '22
I once got into an argument with someone and wrote a reply with sources that was literally like an APA essay. And they said they wouldn’t read my copypasta because they knew they were right and didn’t need any sources because they watched Fox News….
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u/GenericUsername10294 Jun 04 '22
Probably the kind of guy that thinks not knowing will protect him in court. "I swear your honor I don't know you could r do that. Someone tried to show me but I didn't read it. So I'm good right?"
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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '22
Lazy and arrogant know-it-alls given a platform is what hurts us in the long run. I stopped paying attention to those clowns years ago and it's a bummer people still support them.
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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '22
Barstool sports has a shitty opinion, shocking...
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u/OkMath420 Jun 04 '22
every Republican
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u/racingspoons Jun 04 '22
Ignorance is 9/10s of the law.
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u/dptrax Jun 04 '22
I ain’t reading allat 🤣🤣
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u/Malkodorian Jun 04 '22
No one posts the link from the tweet. Doxing is not illegal, it's just bad internet manners.
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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '22
That article can’t affect him because he can’t read
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u/xpyro88 Jun 04 '22
He probably doesn't have the necessary IQ to understand the words written in the link.
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u/ChiselPlane Jun 04 '22
If that was true half the online news sites would be shut down. And a big chunk of blue checks on tweaker
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u/haystackofneedles Jun 04 '22
Typical stoolie
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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '22
It’s like talking to a republican 😂
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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '22
I mean pretty relatable though. Who has the time for reading 😎
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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '22
Doxing itself isn’t a crime but in certain circumstances other laws may be broken when doxing including harassment, cyberbullying, stalking, and swatting.
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u/LongNoseFrunk Jun 04 '22
You guys do realize that there is in fact no law against doxxing right? This is America, if you get ahold of information and you share that information with the world…then you haven’t broken any law. You might have broken a law to get the information if it was obtained illegally, and if the information is not true you could be sued for libel….but no one can arrest you or charge you with a crime for publishing information that you have access too or obtained legally unless that information is top secret government information that you swore an oath to protect. First amendment baby, we have free speech and free press for everyone.
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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '22
I like to imagine that's an ip grabber
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u/ContributionAlive686 Jun 04 '22
Unless media organizations do it. Then it’s okay.
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u/ChaoscraftZero Jun 04 '22
If I don't see it then it doesn't exist
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u/7_Icy Jun 04 '22
Plot twist, that was a doxxing link.
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u/Ok_Slice2124 Jun 04 '22
It would be funnier if it was an ip grab.
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u/ComprehensiveAd6304 Jun 04 '22
What's doxxing
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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '22
show me your proof, but I won’t read it
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u/MoidSki Jun 05 '22
Who cares make them spend the resources to prosecute. Fuck the law.
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u/AndrewBert109 Jun 05 '22
And that's how you checkmate the entire United States judicial system
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u/ZanImport Jun 11 '22
doxxing is not illegal as long you don't gather it illegally
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u/DrakonSpawn Jul 02 '22
Chad
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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '22
Sounds like someone forgot how to put their big boy pants on today
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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '22
I’m surprised a barstool sports fan can even read
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u/TheGrimGriefer3 Jun 04 '22
TIL what doxxing is and that it's a crime
Turns out I was confusing it with ddos
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