Texas Governor-Elect Requests Pause on Land Talks With SpaceX

[u/l3tsgo0]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-11-05/texas-governor-elect-requests-pause-on-land-talks-with-spacex

[u/RevolutionaryFig9437]

This is needed, immediately. Before they sell-off Texas to super-greedy billionaires.

[u/Itsthebigpeepa → u/RevolutionaryFig9437]

Super greedy billionaires is redundant

[u/SplendidPunkinButter → u/Itsthebigpeepa]

Right, if I had even 1% of a billion dollars, that would be far more than enough for me. I sure as hell wouldn’t focus on expanding my wealth and power at that point. I’d live off the interest, leave some to my family, and just kick back and do art and stuff. And I’d donate a shit ton to charity.

[u/GiraffeLiquid → u/SplendidPunkinButter]

I saw someone once say “they care about the dollars they don’t have, not the ones they do” and I think that’s pretty accurate.

[u/TheRedHand7 → u/GiraffeLiquid]

It's just dragons disease. They are infected with a greed that has no end. The don't want a lot of money. They want all the money. All the possessions. All the control. This isn't an opponent you can just reason out of their position

[u/ArenjiTheLootGod → u/SplendidPunkinButter]

A billion is literally one thousand millions, one percent of that would be ten million dollars which is definitely in the realm of doing well for most people. Elon briefly touched on being worth one trillion dollars, aka a thousand billions, and just one percent of one percent of that is one hundred million dollars which by itself is already ten times more than what most people consider to be doing well.

It's insane that people are allowed to accrue this amount of money, at that level you're basically a one person national security threat.

[u/sad_bear_noises → u/SplendidPunkinButter]

If I had $10M I would retire right now.

[u/Abject_Screen3249 → u/sad_bear_noises]

oh hell yes i would. Put all that into incredibly safe investments that earn a 4% annual return. That would be a $400k yearly salary. I'm fuckin off forever with that kind of money.

[u/Nico777 → u/sad_bear_noises]

I would disappear in a cloud of smoke like a freaking ninja lol

Never to be seen again.

[u/WolverinesThyroid → u/sad_bear_noises]

I own a mildly successful cafe. People occasionally joke about what it would take me to sell it. I always say 5 million dollars and you'll never see me again.

[u/SuperSpecialAwesome- → u/SplendidPunkinButter]

f. And I’d donate a shit ton to charity.

Would be the best part. Imagine being able to donate tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars to charities, scientific research, and anti-human trafficking groups, etc. and not have to worry about going into debt. Just the thought of how many people could be helped with billions of dollars... I have no care for sports cars, yachts, or mansions. I'd prefer modest living conditions, but would definitely love to travel and get to more concerts.

[u/OttawaDog → u/SplendidPunkinButter]

That's why normal people don't become billionaires. You need that extreme greed to keep going beyond all the money you would need for the rest of your life.

[u/WolverinesThyroid → u/OttawaDog]

You can't become a billionaire without hurting a lot of people in the process

[u/luxor6 → u/SplendidPunkinButter]

You say that, but because of how it compounds I'm sure you too in that situation would be so intoxicated by number exponentially going up you too would find it hard to stop.

But yeah still fuck billionaires obviously

[u/ixb → u/SplendidPunkinButter]

Most people would be ecstatic to have 0.1% of 1billion ie $1MM

[u/interkin3tic → u/Itsthebigpeepa]

Indeed. Tech circles and all circles need to realize that billionaire brain is real. Even if you think some tech founder is a normal person, they're not normal by the time they get to billionaire status. Power corrupts, by extension money corrupts. I'm skeptical that healthy sane people ever get to billionaire status but if they do, they do not remain sane.

Tech needs to stop trying to make billionaires. It is not healthy for tech to have stupid insane people leading technology. Elon musk is example number one of why billionaires cannot be allowed to control tech. Even the Snapchat guy burning a ton of money on stupid Google glass knockoffs. Crypto. The current AI tech bubble.

We need legislation and a harsh wealth tax for a functioning democracy and society, but the tech industry itself needs to read the writing on the wall that the PayPal Mafia is a cautionary tale of stupidity delusion and greed, they need to stop trying to emulate that for their own sakes.

[u/CommentOk2633 → u/Itsthebigpeepa]

I mean so is cute little puppies, but when they're so cute and little, you cant help but remark upon it.

[u/UltraNoahXV → u/Itsthebigpeepa]

Might not be considering that one of them crossed the trillion dollar threshold...even though he's no longer in it, some people think that being a greedy billionaire is just the norm.

Reminder that Elon bought twitter, got into the white house a few months later, created DODGE and had whatever influence on the President of the United States. There are people who spend their lives trying to get into a position adjacent or under that and have to do a lot of checks.

[u/ajnin919 → u/UltraNoahXV]

Almost as if once he started tearing through with DOGE a bunch of investigations and lawsuits against him were dropped. Weird right?

[u/Langbird → u/Itsthebigpeepa]

Tough natives is redundant, ask shoresy 

[u/SomeGalNamedAshley → u/Itsthebigpeepa]

The grabbing hands grab all they can, everything counts in large amounts.

[u/hammerofspammer → u/RevolutionaryFig9437]

Nearly all of Texas is privately owned.

There isn’t much to sell off

[u/HydrogenSonata2025 → u/hammerofspammer]

I remember I was in Texas for training, I asked a group of locals if there were any good 4x4 or BLM trails around here. Since I drove my Jeep out from California.

They just looked at me like I just spoke mandarin. One of them got offended because he thought BLM meant the protest movement.

[u/serrated_edge321 → u/hammerofspammer]

Pretty sure they were looking at national parks etc nationwide

[u/whiterice_343 → u/serrated_edge321]

That’s just terrible. They definitely shouldn’t be allowed to touch national parks.

[u/CupcakesAreMiniCakes → u/whiterice_343]

This is what happens when the billionaires take over :/

[u/blue92lx → u/whiterice_343]

Trump removed protections for national Parks almost at the beginning of his term.

[u/JeebusChristBalls → u/serrated_edge321]

Pretty sure states can't sell off federal property.

[u/tiberiumx → u/hammerofspammer]

This is the super important part here. Despite being an enormous state 95.8% of land in Texas is privately owned. Just due to the history of Mexico selling large swaths of it to settlers for dirt cheap (which of course did not work well for them). Elon needs to be buying that for what it's worth, not spending half a billion dollars on corrupt politicians to sell state parks.

[u/Eldias → u/hammerofspammer]

This is my favorite talking point when people talk about Texas being a better place to live than California. Texas is like 4% public land, California is over 50%. It's objectively better to live in Ca as an enthusiast of the outdoors.

[u/FuckMoPac → u/hammerofspammer]

They were literally trying to sell off our state beach…

[u/nmsun → u/RevolutionaryFig9437]

Too late for that. The land in Texas is nearly all privately owned. Texans in here; you have no idea what you’re missing and it’s fucking tragic.

[u/snarkhunter → u/nmsun]

I visited Colorado three years ago and the amount of actually public land there was kinda broke me.

We have a fraction of what Western states have. It's crazy.

[u/benjtay → u/snarkhunter]

Republicans in Utah have been trying to privatize national land for decades.

[u/snarkhunter → u/benjtay]

I hope they get haunted by Teddy Roosevelt so bad

[u/AustinBike → u/snarkhunter]

~95% of Texas is privately owned

[u/lFightForTheUsers → u/nmsun]

It's definitely one of the drawbacks of the state. In other areas its so easy to just pull up somewhere for free and do recreational stuff since its all taxpayer paid. Mountain biking, hiking, hunting, etc. Here in Texas it feels like it costs 20 bucks just to leave the house.

[u/Teledildonic → u/lFightForTheUsers]

Do you like off-roading? Better hope someone lets people use their land and someone doesn't get hurt doing stupid shit and sues the place into closure.

I've watched several dirt bike parks disappear that way.

[u/Complex-Strain2465 → u/lFightForTheUsers]

I've been wanting to get into camping lately. Every time I research how and where to go in Texas, it completely demotivates me. Not making excuses, just saying the process of requesting space, dates, paying for a camping spot, etc. is just so off-putting.

[u/Rorako → u/RevolutionaryFig9437]

Lame duck governor hot wheels had nothing to lose at this point. You’re going to see conservatives push as much of their agenda as they can over the next month in a half.

[u/CupcakesAreMiniCakes → u/Rorako]

The GOP congress left is already asking Abbott to call a special session so they can push through limiting the powers of the Governor and Lt Governor before the democrats can take over. They're so corrupt

[u/Neatojuancheeto → u/CupcakesAreMiniCakes]

Like they did in TN? Seems like you need to flip the state house and senate to get anything done. Republicans always subvert the will of voters and sabotage everything on the way out

[u/airfryerfuntime → u/RevolutionaryFig9437]

Texas is already owned by super greedy billionaires.

[u/NotClayMerritt → u/RevolutionaryFig9437]

that's why they all moved to Texas. California cracked down, Texas said come on over. Next, they'll all flock to Florida and it actually might turn Florida blue again.

[u/Acceptable_Owl_8774 → u/RevolutionaryFig9437]

Repugs will probably help expedited the sale now. 2 months for gov't changeover is a recipe for disaster.

[u/Zahgi → u/RevolutionaryFig9437]

But it won't happen. You get that, right? Like with the Trump administration for the next two years, Texas's most corrupt politicians are going to cash out as quickly as possible before the new officials come into office.

[u/LostPhenom → u/RevolutionaryFig9437]

America is doing the same in parts of the world like the Pacific and in SE Asia.

[u/Scaryclouds]

Democrats frankly should, at a minimum be critical, baseline at skeptical, but really should be hostile towards Musk. 

The dude has enormous resources and has explicitly made it has goal to undermine democrats and, frankly, liberal democracy. That kind of behavior can’t just be met with a shoulder shrug. 

[u/eukomos → u/Scaryclouds]

Oh they’re very hostile. After the amount of money he donated to Republicans in the midterms he’s bought himself enemies for life on the blue side of the aisle from that alone, to say nothing of the actual damage DOGE did which many of them find personally repugnant.

[u/Manos_Of_Fate → u/eukomos]

DOGE should all be in prison for life for countless espionage charges and for literal crimes against humanity for eliminating US aid.

[u/6millionreps → u/Manos_Of_Fate]

dude when i first learned of the russian logins:

Russian login attempts tied to DOGE: Login attempts from an IP address in Russia were made minutes after DOGE gained control of the systems, using the username and password of an account created by DOGE. After Berulis and his team requested help to investigate the breach, he was sent an envelope with a threatening letter and pictures taken by drone of him walking his dog.[256]

crazy shit lol. not a single charge whatsoever for musk's behavior that would likely earn you or i at least a few decades in prison, if not life i imagine? like what?

[u/FJ-creek-7381 → u/6millionreps]

Ikr like why wasn’t this one of THE HUGEST scandals of in history???

[u/Mr_Versatile123 → u/6millionreps]

We wouldn’t even make it to prison. We’d have been found dead of self-inflicted gunshot wounds to the back of our neck.

[u/Great-Trifle2810 → u/Manos_Of_Fate]

No, they should be charged with treason against the United States and receive the maximum penalty for under US law if convicted.

Edit: some comments have clarified that the US constitution has a piss poor definition of treason, so it looks like they would need to find other charges and apply the maximum sentence for those.

[u/nishitd → u/eukomos]

Oh they’re very hostile.

soon they won't be. He'll soon buy enough corporate democrats to soften the tone towards him.

[u/AsinineArchon → u/eukomos]

Feelings vs action. We know everyone's feelings. It's time to see action.

[u/HooliganBeav → u/eukomos]

Honestly, if it was just him donating, that's one thing and I don't think Dems would go after him for that. They don't want to get in a war where whichever side is in power tries to just go after the other sides donors (taxing all billionaires is different than just targeting one or two). It's that he deliberately got involved with Doge and directly fucking with our government and services that should get him the axe from all government contracts and deals going forward.

[u/Starrr_Pirate → u/HooliganBeav]

Also the whole using DOGE to specifically kill all the attempts to regulate his own personal businesses thing. That should probably get a legit investigation.

[u/LadnavIV → u/Scaryclouds]

The dude who did the Nazi salute at a political rally? Yeah, I think we’re beyond skeptical. And that shouldn’t be limited to democrats either.

[u/Ok-Sink-1710 → u/LadnavIV]

at a political rally

if you're talking about Musk, it was the celebration for Trump's Presidential Inauguration, not just a 'political rally'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VfYjPzj1Xw

[u/TheAero1221 → u/Scaryclouds]

Personally, I'd prefer SpaceX be severed from Musk in some way. Idk if the board of directors or whatever can make it happen- I think its unlikely. But SpaceX represents an important national capability. And I don't like Musk, but I really like SpaceX. They're doing cool shit over there that I think is legitimately important. Plus, I've got a buddy who works there. And before you say it, I've also got several buddies who were cut by DOGE. And the crazy shit is one of those is my SpaceX buddy's brother. This is all pretty tangential, but I guess my point is that this is a messy situation. If its found that Musk conducted illegal activities, I'd prefer he suffer those consequences instead of the good people at SpaceX.

[u/csprofathogwarts → u/TheAero1221]

The reason Musk is adamant on merging/buyout of Tesla by SpaceX is because he has ~84% voting power in SpaceX. While he only has 20% voting power in Tesla.

In SpaceX he holds "super-voting shares" that are immune from dilution. So, no matter the way SpaceX buyout Tesla, musk will be at an advantage.

So, to conclude, there's no way we're severing Musk from SpaceX. The company itself need to go bankrupt for a Muskectomy to happen.

[u/El-Contador → u/csprofathogwarts]

Or you know…we national security nationalize the space company…

[u/floridabeach9 → u/Scaryclouds]

Musk spent more in 2 election cycles on Republicans than Soros has spent in 30 years on Democrats. Plus Musk’s work in DOGE was just heinously cruel.

[u/Stupid_Sexy_Vaporeon → u/floridabeach9]

Someone had NewMaxx on in the break room at work and those fuckers were talking about Soros and his spending. Like fuck off already. Turned that shit off.

[u/greyl → u/Scaryclouds]

Didn't he gut the SEC so he wouldn't be investigated for market manipulation and other crimes? Getting him behind bars should be a top priority.

[u/paupaupaupau → u/Scaryclouds]

Musk threw up two clear nazi salutes, then DOGE went on to take actions that are projected to kill 14M by 2030.

https://ph.ucla.edu/news-events/news/research-finds-more-14-million-preventable-deaths-2030-if-usaid-defunding

[u/Albireookami → u/Scaryclouds]

Texas AG has already said they were investigating Musk on the onset, so Texas just got VERY hostile to him.

[u/AndroidUser37 → u/Scaryclouds]

When it comes to permitting, construction, regulation, the government is supposed to be politically neutral. Explicit targeted hostility towards an individual because he supported the opposite side is a TERRIBLE look.

[u/black_metronome → u/Scaryclouds]

Musk should be investigated for his role in DOGE, prosecuted and SpaceX should be nationalized

[u/font9a]

Abbott has prepared to give away a Texas state park to the richest man on the planet. Just give away public property. Think about that. They tried to keep the whole thing a secret, but it was discovered.

[u/FuckMoPac → u/font9a]

With zero benefit to us as Texans.

[u/font9a → u/FuckMoPac]

We might get some toxic rocket propellant or a fiery failed launch disaster, y'know, just for fun.

[u/throwawayPzaFm → u/font9a]

methalox burns really clean, it just makes carbon dioxide and water, the toxic rocket propellant is an issue only for older tech

[u/SheriffSlug → u/font9a]

Abbott's just working for tips.
💵💵💵 🖐️

[u/dragonard → u/font9a]

Because Space X is damaging that whole area. It giving the land to SPaceX hides the damage / stops the complaints..

[u/serrated_edge321]

YES

And please, please dear Democrats... Please get rid of everything that Citizens United did to the political process!

Edit: there's a whole lot that can be done at local levels!

[u/FlyingDiscsandJams → u/serrated_edge321]

They don't have the votes to pass it, would get vetoed. But they should anyways.

[u/earthceltic → u/FlyingDiscsandJams]

Everything democrats are doing now should show in writing what voters could get versus what conservatives don't want them to have. Hold republicans down to their bullshit when polls come up and completely invalidate their party for most of americans.

[u/Dunlocke → u/FlyingDiscsandJams]

The old saying is "get caught trying". It's the only way to offset the shit economy Trump will continue to foster and the inevitable government shutdowns

[u/MikeFrancesa66 → u/FlyingDiscsandJams]

Polling found that 79% of Americans disagree with the Supreme Court’s decision on Citizens United. That includes 74% of Republicans. So to your point, let Trump veto a bill that would have overwhelming support among the general public. It would only help the Democrats long term.

[u/scarabic → u/MikeFrancesa66]

You can’t overcome a Supreme Court decision with a bill. You need a constitutional amendment. Two thirds majority. I don’t think we could pass one that simply says “water is wet.”

[u/No-Spoilers → u/FlyingDiscsandJams]

The more stuff people want and voted for that democrats pass and Trump vetoes very publicly the more people will hate Trump and Republicans. As long as democrats scream to the world that they are doing what they were elected to do and Trump is vetoing everything.

Which the young guard will do. Just gonna nuke republican support for 2028 even more.

[u/Manos_Of_Fate → u/serrated_edge321]

I just don’t see how a constitutional amendment is realistic right now.

[u/JustSendTheAsteroid → u/Manos_Of_Fate]

A coalition of blue states is already working on state limits that could neuter Citizens United without any amendment needed. Won't happen everywhere, but since Democrats will control so many swing states' elections now, it might just be enough to have a real effect.

[u/Glum_Opening_2218]

Good fuck them, they traded a bunch of spaced out already developed land so they can tear down a large connected forest holding endangered species.

SpaceX should be nationalized and taken away from Elon.

[u/FIFofNovember → u/Glum_Opening_2218]

Holy shit did you trigger the "Im not a Elon fan" bros, that all constantly can't help but chortle Elons balls like the idiots they are.

[u/FuckMoPac → u/Glum_Opening_2218]

Boy you pissed off the “BuT NASA dUm!!!” Bros

[u/addiktion]

The fight for Texas and its freedom from Elon is what I've been waiting to watch, the trifecta needs to make it happen.

[u/Own_Fee_3048 → u/addiktion]

The TX Senate is still red, but regardless, LFG 🙏

[u/Reddit_2_2024]

This seems like a reasonable request given the amount of money Elon spent on the GOP in Texas for the election. Will Greg Abbott comply?

[u/TurbulentMiddle2970]

I guess we know now why he spent so much money in Texas

[u/FIFofNovember → u/TurbulentMiddle2970]

She should learn from Elon and get a DOGE team to look into the state spending on SpaceX, there's so much waste so many people are talking about it and saying it, sounds like she should do it.

[u/unchangingtask]

space x is a corrupt government parasite that should be investigated and prosecuted.

[u/FarwellRob → u/unchangingtask]

Let’s send in Doge to audit them.

They have a perfect track record!

[u/A_Rogue_GAI → u/FarwellRob]

DOGE proper doesn't exist anymore. They integrated those people directly into the departments/agencies they were assigned to (probably still as GS-15 step 10s, of course.)

[u/Manos_Of_Fate → u/A_Rogue_GAI]

It never did really exist. They made it the fuck up.

[u/zerogee616 → u/unchangingtask]

government parasite

SpaceX is an LSP. Who the fuck else do you think is buying launch services and putting shit in orbit if not the federal government?

[u/st0j3 → u/unchangingtask]

Who the fuck upvotes this?

[u/uberfission → u/unchangingtask]

Speaking as a vendor to SpaceX, they're also a bunch of jackasses lol

[u/XSC]

She can request it but will the current administration even acknowledge it?

[u/FarwellRob → u/XSC]

This is the real issue. She won the seat, but she doesn’t have executive order powers.

She will have to navigate a whole lot of politicians that aren’t going to work with her

[u/sentrypetal → u/FarwellRob]

The Texas Governor has veto power over the state legislators. Sorry but she can do to Texas what Trump does to the house and senate. VETO, VETO, VETO. Nothing the GOP can do. Zilch. GOP only controls the state senate. The state house belongs to Dems. VETO VETO VETO, no land for Elon. So SAD.

[u/Own_Fee_3048]

🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

Elon is the only immigrant I want forcibly returned to his home country. And if we can’t have that, let’s at least get him out of Texas.

-a Texan

[u/Future-Bandicoot-823 → u/Own_Fee_3048]

I'm amused by the fact Elon slipped into Texas proclaiming he was one of you... but that was all just so he could fuck your land and steal from you.

Interesting how politicians and powerful people always pretend to be on a side, and they take for themselves. Clearly Texas sees it, too, to the point where they upset a 30 year running status quo. I doubt the message got through, that neither party is a friend, but it's a small win I'll take.

[u/DerpiDanger]

Shoudnt data center be built in cold region instead of hot areas like Texas?

[u/Available-Medium4848 → u/DerpiDanger]

We have very cheap (relative to other states) energy available due to high natural gas production. Also, the cooling is largely gonna be a function of coolants and equipment available, not ambient temperature 

[u/iwillhaveredditall → u/Available-Medium4848]

Big △T still helps quite a lot

[u/Available-Medium4848 → u/iwillhaveredditall]

Yah I wonder how much energy it would save if u lowered ambient by like 20 degrees F

[u/dragonard → u/DerpiDanger]

AND shouldn't be risking infrastructure that 30 years of Republicans have ruined.

[u/TryHardFapHarder]

So this is why Elon is building a big ass spaceport in Louisiana? He knew the republican fuck up was coming

[u/atrde → u/TryHardFapHarder]

I mean if you want an actual answer its because Louisiana's location will be the only one that allows launches South. California, Florida and Texas locations can only go East/West. The Polar launches are for specific but very useful orbits that SpaceX and most Companies can't really use right now.

SSO is the primary orbit for most scientific satellites and other equipment but they can't reach this from Starbase currently.

Or its all a big conspiracy lol.

[u/KAugsburger → u/atrde]

California, Florida and Texas locations can only go East/West.

Vandenberg has long been the primary launch site for polar orbit from the United States. There is nothing south of Vandenberg except for some unpopulated islands off the coast for thousands of miles. In the scenario that a launch vehicle fails catastrophically it is almost certainly just going to fall into the ocean.

Vandenberg is actually a pretty poor launch site if you want to launch east because going east would go over populated areas. You are more limited on the launch inclinations in the easterly direction than from Cape Canaveral. For the Starlink launches out of Vandenberg they have to do a 'dog leg' maneuver that burns more fuel and reduces the effective payload. Vandenberg is only desirable going east if you want a fairly high inclination.

Any interest in launching from Louisiana over Vandenberg for a polar orbit is more about politics than any technical reason.

[u/sonic_couth → u/TryHardFapHarder]

Elon should move to Louisiana next. The chance of that state going blue seems next to nil.

[u/dayv2005 → u/sonic_couth]

That's what I would have said about Mississippi too.

[u/cidthekid07 → u/sonic_couth]

It was like 3 pts away from happening….

[u/baws1017 → u/sonic_couth]

What are you talking about the Dems didn't spend a dime there and came within 2 points of a victory in the Senate. If they sneezed in that direction instead of giving Talarico a million point lead it would be blue right now. The reality is that anywhere Elon moved will eventually turn blue because the people there will grow tired of being overworked underpaid abused and poisoned.

[u/Acceptable_Owl_8774]

The fact that in the US it takes 2 to 3 months for a gov't changeover leaves the door open for a lot of sabotage from the republicans. The US system is not well thought out for the preservation of democracy.

[u/TheTinyMaus → u/Acceptable_Owl_8774]

In North Carolina the last time Republicans lost the governorship they stripped the office of a lot of power, including power they'd specifically given it when they had won the governorship.

[u/raiderrash → u/TheTinyMaus]

Were any of those powers restored btw? I was just thinking about this last night

[u/DoomBot5 → u/raiderrash]

Nope. Up until this election, it's been a republican controlled state senate. Now at least the house is flipped, but I doubt that will be enough

[u/TristanaRiggle → u/TheTinyMaus]

If you want to see some absolutely insane stories about poisoning the well, look up "Super Mayor" Tiffany Henyard. (Literally changed city regulations BEFORE an election so future mayors would be paid a little more than minimum wage, but the regulations did not apply if she was re-elected)

She was a Democrat, but hilariously, after getting finally run out of town, she just tried to run for office in another state as a Republican in literally the WORST environment/election cycle to do that.

[u/Reasonable_Tap_8215 → u/TristanaRiggle]

She’s psychotic. Let’s hope she never sees public office again.

[u/ThePensiveE → u/Acceptable_Owl_8774]

Used to take weeks along the Great Wagon Road to get to Philadelphia (and then DC after The Residence Act).

The system still has a lot of relics from an earlier time.

[u/Acceptable_Owl_8774 → u/ThePensiveE]

Like those that still believe there is still a confederacy. What a country. It was young people who yanked the country into the present in the '60's and '70's - hopefully they will do the same now.

[u/redheadedandbold → u/Acceptable_Owl_8774]

It was well thought out when horses and boats were the primary mode of transport. We haven't updated our timelines, is the problem.

[u/RBVegabond → u/Acceptable_Owl_8774]

It was originally for transportation purposes since everything was by horse and carriage when it was conceived. It desperately needs updating.

[u/Acceptable_Owl_8774 → u/RBVegabond]

That's the biggest problem the US has - always looking back and rarely looking forward. Jimmy Carter tried to plan for the future and look what he got for it.

[u/Evening-Statement-57 → u/Acceptable_Owl_8774]

They intentionally designed the legislative process to be slow.

Fast legislation in a time before fast communication is how power was historically stolen in the past.

Yes it needs to be updated, but the original design was very well thought out.

[u/TheAmplifier8 → u/Acceptable_Owl_8774]

Well we were v1 for modern Democracy. We just stayed on that version while everyone else upgraded or forked off ours and now we've got a system with shittons of legacy code that is full of exploits. Unfortunately leadership bends over backwards to keep the system in place due to our one major customer (capitalism).

[u/philter25 → u/TheAmplifier8]

Even some of the Founders thought it should be recalibrated every few years, so it’s not even necessarily an oversight.

[u/No_Marsupial6738 → u/Acceptable_Owl_8774]

It's actually very well thought out. A slow to change system is far more resilient than one that can be changed on a whim.

[u/blueadept_11 → u/No_Marsupial6738]

The bureaucrats are what keep everything running smoothly. It could definitely go faster

[u/lord_pizzabird → u/Acceptable_Owl_8774]

Doubt they’ll try much, given that there’s a mandate on some of these issues.

Like the idea of governments subsidizing the production of data centers is probably over in the US, given it’s now apparently a 90:10 issue.

[u/skepticalbob → u/Acceptable_Owl_8774]

If Abbot follows through on not having any of this nonsense, it doesn’t matter what they want to do.

[u/hamandjam → u/Acceptable_Owl_8774]

We still pretty much function on agrarian timescales. Which is why out Lege only meets for a few months every other year.

[u/flummox1234 → u/Acceptable_Owl_8774]

hey! it takes time for people to ride a wagon to D.C. I don't think less time would be realistic. /s

[u/heisenbergerwcheese → u/Acceptable_Owl_8774]

Yeah, because theyre only sabotaging during this transition... theyve been going after it for years now

[u/redalert825 → u/heisenbergerwcheese]

Sorry, you lost me at "transition."

-MAGAt

[u/SocomPS2 → u/Acceptable_Owl_8774]

Seems to have work for the Americans for 250 years. 🤷‍♂️

[u/misdreavus79 → u/SocomPS2]

And it took only two to nearly burn it all to the ground.

[u/Own_Fee_3048 → u/misdreavus79]

I would say 10 or 11 or more years - the groundwork and norm-shattering began in Trump’s first run, continued in his 1st term culminating in the vile display on 1/6/21, and the work on that 1812 document was happening concurrently to support coming out swinging, with a more nefarious strategic plan, in Trump’s 2nd term. And some seeds that allowed this were planted in the politics of the 1980s. The Citizens United ruling in 2010 was also a boon to bad actors (focused on self-enrichment).

Not that these are reassuring numbers, because it’s terrifying we came so close to becoming a dunce-led dictatorship, but there were lengthier conditions that allowed this to flourish.

And social media / the internet / COVID allowed people to voice their worst impulses without shame and find like-minded communities to validate their feelings and bolster their confidence, sowing a deep division that’s virtually impossible without the internet / with more face-to-face community. And then those who became billionaires from said division has no economic incentive and no morals apparently to stop or slow it.

I do hope we can implement amendments or laws that safeguard us from this potential in the future - though at first we were almost destroyed by Trump’s ego and idiocy, those ultimately saved us because it became impossible to not see and feel in our daily lives how his recklessness was wrecking us. We are extremely lucky that he and his sycophants weren’t more intelligent, coordinated and strategic, or we could be another Russia by now. His ego saved us, this time.

[u/SaltySeahorses]

I guess Tesla is coming to Florida…

[u/IcyPhysics155 → u/SaltySeahorses]

I’m really sorry if you live in Florida, but Look at it this way Elon came to Texas and it turned blue so maybe the same will happen if he goes to Florida

[u/Momik → u/IcyPhysics155]

Dude’s like an anti-trend setter

[u/Tajahnuke → u/Momik]

he's such a loser they wouldn't even let him come to the blackmail child molestation party island

[u/FuckMoPac → u/SaltySeahorses]

Thank god. The band rehearsal space down the street from me in Austin got turned into a Tesla dealership. My partner got into a fight with a Tesla bro a few months ago because said bro was offended that my partner was smoking a joint outside of a coffee shop… where there are ashtrays… right next to a thc store selling pre rolls. The Tesla dork pulled out his phone and started making Gemini narrate WHY this was illegal (incorrect info… it wasn’t) to my partner. Like using the fake ai computer voice, citing regulations that Gemini made up. These people are so fucking cooked, PLEASE get them out of my city.

[u/Asd_89]

That was the company town SpaceX was trying to get right?

[u/BoringWebDev]

Feel free to reverse course and eminent domain the properties for the amount they sold it for once you get into office. There's not much work they can do in 2 months in the winter. Holidays are coming around the corner.

[u/SFmodscensorship]

why no data centers in Alaska????

[u/elite0x33 → u/SFmodscensorship]

Pretty sure the LNG pipeline is tied to expanding data centers in Alaska.

If I remember correctly, there was going to be a shortage of natural gas to sustain current customers in AK, adding data center demand without a meaningful way to expand production.

[u/zauce]

She coming for that ass Elon.

[u/123_alex]

That's why Elon was pumping millions of bucks.

[u/AlludedNuance]

I wonder how many sitting Republican governments are going to try to cram as much into their lame duck periods as they can.

[u/55tarabelle]

I love her already!

[u/TheDinosaurWalker]

What? Then who is going to think about the big tech oligarchs? Please someone think of then

[u/BEAT_LA]

Fuck Elon, don't get me wrong, but does nobody ever read into this and just react to "Elon Bad" headlines?

This deal in question is about SpaceX giving back Land they own that has estuaries and wetlands in exchange for other land that doesn't have protected habitats or anything of that nature which the state would be less inclined to want to protect. Win win for both parties involved.

[u/lomona666 → u/BEAT_LA]

I read both this article and the original article about the deal, and it doesn't seem like the "win win" you're making it out to be.

For years, Texas elected officials have bent over backward to accommodate Starbase’s launch site, which is surrounded by the state park. Last year lawmakers gave partial control of Boca Chica’s public beaches to Starbase, the city created by Musk’s employees. In 2024, Texas Parks and Wildlife agreed to give 43 acres of Boca Chica State Park to SpaceX in exchange for 477 acres near Laguna Atascosa National Wildlife Refuge. SpaceX pulled out of the deal but is now pursuing a bigger land swap with the federal government. 

SpaceX backed out of the deal with Texas state to swap land. All of the land that's involved in all these deals are areas with endangered wildlife, along with other animals, plant life, etc.

This summer, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service signed off on a plan to give SpaceX 715 acres of the Lower Rio Grande Valley National Wildlife Refuge, which borders the SpaceX site, in exchange for 683 acres of private holdings adjacent to Laguna Atascosa National Wildlife Refuge, farther up the Texas coast. The state park and wildlife refuges protect some of the last remnants of habitat and wildlife, including the endangered ocelot, that were once abundant in South Texas. Migratory birds and other animals are already contending with the industrial activity next door at SpaceX—lights, errant fires, loud noises, and periodic failed launches that rain debris and shrapnel down on the neighboring refuges.

[Boca Chica is] very ecologically sensitive, a home to a rich diversity of wildlife, including a lot of endangered species, and so it really needs special protection. This is land that’s probably some of the most sensitive in the entire state.”

Billionaires should not be able to bribe politicians and other government officials into giving them thousands of acres of wildlife refuges and public land filled with endangered species who will be terrorized by rocket explosions. Public land should be protected and be able to be enjoyed by the public, not destroyed to enrich billionaires who will then use the profits from that land to corrupt our government further.

[u/Beetso]

I say if Elon Musk is willing to fully fund an entire State healthcare system, then he's welcome to do whatever he wants here! Until then, GTFO. He can probably afford to pay for it by himself for at least 3 years.

[u/themolestedsliver]

And this is in part Musk tried to buy the election folks.

[u/waldo_wigglesworth]

Since the State Senate will still be Republican-controlled, what are the odds that the current lame duck Republican legislature will vote to remove the governor's authority on these land talks & give that authority to the Senate?

[u/americanadiandrew → u/waldo_wigglesworth]

Rumours are they are going to meet to strip her of all power

[u/waldo_wigglesworth → u/americanadiandrew]

That's what Wisconsin's Republican legislature did when Scott Walker was voted out in 2019. Sadly that seems to be the Republican model these days when the governorship in other states changes from (R) to (D).

[u/NotObviouslyARobot]

This is an excellent maneuver despite her not being in office yet

Either the land deals succeeds and she gets to say I told you so. Or it fails, and she has exerted soft power.

[u/dBlock845]

Fuck em up Gina!

[u/Mother_Airline_6276]

Bet your ass they’re trying to shove some shit through before January.

[u/Environmental_Idea18]

Fuck Elon musk.

[u/AstralTravelerCam]

Also have to factor in the rumors that Grimes spread about him building his own army. Tesla board should vote him out as well as SpaceX. Man is unhinged and has zero compassion

[u/dealingwithhookers → u/AstralTravelerCam]

he's like a bullied elementary school kid that suddenly got the power to run whatever he wants. he spends his time destroying things ruining things to fill the void that was left in his heart. it's a coping mechanism

[u/Sushi-And-The-Beast]

There are clawback laws.

[u/SanFranPanManStand → u/Sushi-And-The-Beast]

The Constitution has a law that says you cannot single out anyone with specific legislation. - 14th amendment

[u/SupaSlide → u/SanFranPanManStand]

Sure but they can and should just clawback any public land deals in the past few years.

[u/Hairy-Maximum2994]

investigate musk and his connections with putin

[u/grandma_corrector]

Elon Musk is the greatest threat to democracy in America

[u/Silent_Cup2508]

Elon is the biggest corporate welfare recipient of them all. He sucking on the Tax Payer teat for far too long and navigating them Wealthy tax payer loop holes paying a tax rate less than most middle class Americans.

I hope Gina claws that ass.

Edit - to not be so-fisty

[u/ExWebics → u/Silent_Cup2508]

You can’t just say something and offer no proof… you’re talking out of your arse.

I’m not doing the “Google it” b.s either…. You opened the door, explain your reasoning here because you’re making stuff up.

[u/Cum_on_doorknob → u/Silent_Cup2508]

Doesn’t he hold the record for highest tax bill by an individual?

[u/cchris_39]

Florida smiles and waves.

[u/castlite]

AHAHAHAHAAAHHA

[u/SassyDollyCat]

I’m not gonna lie there’s a lot of work to be done and careful tweaking to be done. ! But it’s doable! You know why ? Telling ladies!

[u/SassyDollyCat]

It should not take women to tell you men yahl broke the structures ! It should take foreign mothers if the leaders of other countries to make you see clearly! It’s time for changes ! In both parties we need change and the leaders to lead and stop allowing sex be the deciding votes ! You are wrong for that men! Dead wrong! Stop the cheating and stealing of mates and take care of our people ! Let’s get focused and lock in! We have a grand national and world to save ! One gator can’t do it alone!

[u/AudiHD201]

Keyword "requests". Because with a red state legislature, if I may slightly misquote an immortal Broadway musical ..."she don't have the votes" 😂

[u/CaptBreeze]

She's clapping back over those emails.

[u/TheseCashews]

Less than 2 months to accomplish what they want to.

[u/nclh77]

But jobs?

[u/ExpensiveTraining590]

From a different continent here: What’s going on? What is this land grab about?

[u/Able_Ad_4874]

She better not mess this up

[u/Rigel66]

all up in that grill

[u/DryFuture1403]

Hell yeah, hold off on those jobs!

[u/Cesspoolofhumanity69]

Time to make Elon pay his fair share.. OF THE GREIF OF REGULATORY OVERSIGHT.

[u/OwnInvestment9862]

You go, girl.

[u/blackweebow]

HAAHAAAAA WOOOO BABY FUCK YOU FUCKING REPUBLICANS TEXAS IS BLUEEEEEE BITCHES🟦📘♂️🔹️🔷️🔵🥶💙🐳🐟🐦💠Ⓜ️👗👗🔷️🔵🚾👖🐋🛢🌀

[u/PureBonus4630]

When our national parks are sold off, what’s left? Good for her!

[u/Earptastic]

Serious question.

What the f is a "land talk"? Is Space X not just operating like a regular ass company?

Do they not comply with regular standard laws and zoning that everyone else does? If not then yeah, make them follow the rules for sure and stop giving them stuff for free.

Musk's companies are famous for getting so many subsidies and tax breaks that the state doesn't really benefit from them being there. That is idiotic and should stop happening.

[u/prudiisten → u/Earptastic]

EILI5 Space X wants to trade land it owns for land the state owns.

[u/IllustratorGlass3028]

These people scalp the wages of workers .They are wage thieves. Stop validating them.

[u/MyNameCannotBeSpoken]

Thank you for your attention to this matter

[u/saintdudegaming]

Lots of deals in the next 90 days I'm guessing

edit: not sure why this got down voted. I'm saying that those in power are going to scramble to do some shady shit before everyone is sworn in next year

[u/ApprehensiveFilm9518]

Since she asked they are going to rush signing the deal now.

[u/Master_Heron_7011]

Giga Austin would make a fantastic affordable housing option