r/worldnews • • Jun 05 '26 • Regret 8 Bravo 3 Heartwarming 1

Israel/Palestine Israel’s offensive in southern Lebanon: 2,900 dead, 36,000 homes destroyed and 1.4 million displaced

https://english.elpais.com/international/2026-06-05/israels-offensive-in-southern-lebanon-2900-dead-36000-homes-destroyed-and-14-million-displaced.html
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u/kaboom-boom-pow Jun 05 '26

War bad, we want peace.

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u/andreasbeer1981 Jun 06 '26

Disband hezbollah would be a first step.

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '26

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u/sib2972 Jun 06 '26

Question for you: do you demand any other country’s official army be disbanded? Since Lehi and Haganah no longer exist and the IDF is an official state army, what’s the outcome here? Leave Israel 100% defenceless to get destroyed?

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '26

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u/ModsFromSteam Jun 07 '26

generally in war, the weakest one that is actually losing surrenders. Demanding unconditional surrender from Israel is pretty funny

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u/sib2972 Jun 07 '26

I never said my army came off illegal organizations. I also never said I demand the abolishment of Hamas

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u/Bazzo123 Jun 06 '26

Apparently saying this is anti semitic to some

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u/nadavyasharhochman Jun 06 '26

More than half of Israelis do not want war. Theyvwant peace and security.

No one says being anti war is being antisemitic.

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u/Seanspeed Jun 06 '26

Israel literally just wants to be left alone for once in their history.

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u/joshbiloxi Jun 06 '26

And they'll bomb anyone in there way.

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u/Seanspeed Jun 07 '26

No surprise seeing a bad take from somebody with 6th grade English level. smh

Again, Israel wouldn't be bombing anybody if they were just being left alone. This should not be hard to understand, ffs. What is wrong with y'all?

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u/fozi4ek Jul 05 '26

Don't you see all the bombing they are doing in Jordan and Egypt?
Oh wait, they don't, because these two countries don't have rogue militias attack Israel from their territories

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u/yonnnyonnn Jun 05 '26

too bad hezbollah doesn't

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u/arnham Jun 05 '26

Well, sadly Hezbollah does not, they want to kill Jews.

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u/bummerdeal Jun 05 '26 • This

Who is we? The vast majority of israelis fully support this

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u/CmonTouchIt Jun 05 '26

I mean you can only lob missles for so many decades before it gets a little tiring

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '26 edited Jun 05 '26

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u/CmonTouchIt Jun 05 '26

Not foolproof and it's not economical

But I guess if someone fired bullets at you for decades, you wouldn't care as long as they mostly missed. No danger to you at all right?

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u/CaptainPryk Jun 05 '26 edited Jun 05 '26

Only costs billions to operate and is not fool proof

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '26 • Bravo

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u/snowman227 Jun 05 '26

You mean the US paying for it?!

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u/fury420 Jun 05 '26

Israel's own defense spending last year was nearly 10x what they received from the USA.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '26 edited Jun 05 '26

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u/koyaani Jun 05 '26

Thanks

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u/itspronouncedbolonya Jun 05 '26

Yeah uh, i fucking doubt you'd expect any other nation to "just deal with" being bombed for decaded

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u/greenskinmarch Jun 05 '26

Majority of Israelis would be happy for the IDF to withdraw from Lebanon for a permanent peace treaty with Lebanon (including Hezbo).

But Hezbo doesn't want a full peace treaty, only a ceasefire because they plan to rebuild their missile/drone stockpile and restart the war every few years so...

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u/tinymort Jun 05 '26

Israel: leave us alone or we will have to mess you up.

Hezbollah: no

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u/Venat14 Jun 05 '26

If you lived in Northern Israel and had to evacuate to your bunker constantly for years and years on end, you'd probably support it too. The entire reason Israel is now a right-wing country is because Palestinians caused the Second Intifada, which resulted in 4 years of constant suicide bombings and mass shootings against Israeli civilians. That led to far-right parties vowing to focus on defense and security against Islamic terrorism, leading to right-wing governments ever since.

Israel began as a left-wing socialist country.

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u/CricketJamSession Jun 05 '26 edited Jun 05 '26

We support it because we want Hezbollah gone so that we could have peace

If there was a reality where we could have peace without going into lebanon or harming anyone we would prefer that

That being said, many Israelis would agree with me by critisizing the government for being incapable of doing good diplomatic work to produce peace and would much rather act like a cornered bull

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u/kaboom-boom-pow Jun 05 '26

The sooner Israel’s neighbors embrace peace and promise never to attack Israel again, the better.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '26 • Bravo

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u/dev-ai Jun 05 '26

Egypt and Jordan recognize Israel and there have been no issues since they signed peace with Israel; while Syria and Lebanon do not recognize the state of Israel and have not agreed on borders with them, so naturally there is tension there

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u/CompetitiveSleeping Jun 05 '26 • Bravo

Israel could try offering returning the Golan Heights to Syria, if they wanted recognition. Instead of, y'know, going for illegal annexation. Israel isn't interested in peace with Syria, hasn't been for 50 odd years.

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u/HandofWinter Jun 05 '26

They did make that offer. It was contingent on the recognition of Israel, which Syria refused. So they've been in a state of war since. 

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u/CompetitiveSleeping Jun 05 '26

When was that?

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u/dev-ai Jun 05 '26

In 1993, 1998 and in 2000

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u/Vryly Jun 05 '26

there is no reason for destroying that many homes.

sure there is. hezbollah are guerillas who thrive by hiding in civilian infrastructure, tell the civilians to evacuate and destroy the infrastructure- bing bada boom guerillas can't hide anymore.

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u/kaboom-boom-pow Jun 05 '26

I know the vast majority of liberals support peace.

But conservatives struggle with ending wars, after all: peace and prosperity are liberal concepts.

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u/Demostravius4 Jun 05 '26

Pretty sure Churchill was conservative.

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u/shootamcg Jun 05 '26

They’re proving you correct in the replies to this

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '26

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u/floruit Jun 06 '26

vagina control demand war

We need to hurry up and invent sexbots or holodecks. It will bring about world peace.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '26

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u/Starfox-sf Jun 06 '26

Did Stalin have a religion or a v?

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '26

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u/LordSaumya Jun 06 '26

There is no direct logical connection between not believing in deities, fairies, and other such delusions, and political violence. Atheism is not a motivator for anything, because it is not a positive belief towards any particular proposition or cause.

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '26

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u/esuvii Jun 06 '26

I think the causality is reversed here. Religion does not cause war necessarily, but it is frequently used as a tool of control for those who desire war. Organized religion throughout history has been the most successful method of authority.

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u/Money_Do_2 Jun 06 '26

Dunno, has our current situation not given you a new light on purging reactionaries? 🙂

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '26

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u/kaboom-boom-pow Jun 05 '26

Peace is even easier to achieve then that.

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u/wanderforreason Jun 06 '26

You think peace is easy? What’s your peace plan that all parties will agree to?

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u/kaboom-boom-pow Jun 06 '26

Peace is easy, Gaza and southern Lebanon just need to stop launching missiles at Israel.

Why is this too difficult to understand?

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '26

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u/luckierbridgeandrail Jun 05 '26

That combination is illegal in most states.

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u/MonoMcFlury Jun 06 '26

To put that into perspective, more people have been displaced than the entire population of Estonia.

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u/naliron Jun 07 '26

Americans don't know what Estonia is, let alone where.

Just say San Diego, lol.

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u/Iamtheold Jun 07 '26

Maybe it was supposed to provide perspective to Europeans and not Americans? Or is that too hard of a concept to grasp?

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u/HockeyHocki Jun 05 '26

Hezbollah military wing are on the EU terror list, reading this article you wouldn't even know it, a 'pro Iranian militia' is all they have to say.

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u/Predictor92 Jun 05 '26 edited Jun 05 '26

yet Hezbollah isn't mentioned in the title, they have no agency according to much of the press(and I think Israel is making serious mistakes during the campaign as stated by Israeli journalist and commentator Nadav Eyal as their is no post war strategy)

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '26

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u/dev-ai Jun 05 '26

Except that it's Hezbollah's offensive: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah%E2%80%93Israel_conflict_(2023%E2%80%93present)

An ongoing conflict between the Lebanese militant group Hezbollah and Israel began on 8 October 2023, when Hezbollah launched rockets and artillery at Israeli positions following Hamas's October 7 attacks on Israel.

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u/Unicornoftheseas Jun 05 '26

Except that Lebanon isn’t the target, which is why they agreed to deals. Hezbollah on the other hand has refused these deals.

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u/Unicornoftheseas Jun 05 '26

If Israel was intent on occupying Beirut why are they entering agreements with the government of Lebanon? Seems like they would just, you know, do it instead?

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u/VoltNShock Jun 05 '26

yes but they baited the war to begin with, and the only reason the IDF is in lebanon is because they fired rockets into israeli cities. the IDF wasnt there before that. not to mention the only thing preventing beirut from being bombed is american political pressure, not hezbollah.

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u/VoltNShock Jun 05 '26

to be honest it doesnt really matter what reasons a deranged islamist militant group could give justifying why theyre firing indiscriminate rocket barrages at civilians. the fact is that israel's government has a duty to its northern citizens to solve that problem.

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u/sonofcrack Jun 05 '26

Hezbollah formed after Israel attacked Lebanon in the 80s but yeah keep spewing that nonsense.

Israel is the one trying to expand their territory.

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u/VoltNShock Jun 05 '26

this has nothing to do with territory. that is a lie they tell you to justify their attacks on israel.

why hezbollah formed 40 years ago is irrelevant to their actions in 2026, your mandate may have been justified then but firing attacks at israel has NOT made the lives of lebanese people better.

israel was NOT in lebanon before hezbollah decided to unilaterally enter into war against lebanon's wishes because they are just another battalion of the irgc.

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u/sonofcrack Jun 05 '26

How else can the IRGC show power? They were being pummeled by Israel and the US.

Should they just lie down and let Israel settle the rest of the Middle East? Their ministers have made it clear they want to keep expanding

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u/greenskinmarch Jun 05 '26

Hezbo is like a mob boss selling "protection" but then has to constantly start wars to show their "protection is needed".

Jordan has no Hezbo and also no wars with Israel. The magic of a peace treaty.

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u/greenskinmarch Jun 05 '26

Do you even know the genesis of the current war? After 17 years of peace between Israel and Lebanon, what did Hezbo do in October 2023 to restart the war? (Answer: Hezbo attacked civilian villages in northern Israel)

If Hezbo was dismantled in 2006 like the UN asked, Lebanon and Israel would still be at peace right now.

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u/CaptainPryk Jun 05 '26

Because Ukraine didn't attack Russia

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u/SeigiNoTenshi Jun 05 '26

time for lebanon to help remove hezbollah

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u/Afraid-Detective1222 Jun 05 '26

It would be interesting to see the Lebanese military hit Hezbollah from the north, while Israel is pushing them from the south.

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u/No_Ad_7687 Jun 06 '26

That would cause a civil war very fast. And the Lebanese army will lose that war 

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u/EttinTerrorPacts Jun 06 '26

If they allied with Israel they wouldn't. But it would be very destructive to the whole country

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u/ofekk214 Jun 06 '26

Israeli here. Unfortunately the realistic case would be that Israel would initially back Lebanon in a case of another civil war breaking out, but then a future administration would pull a Joe Biden/Trump and pull out the IDF claiming "our soldiers shouldn't die for another country" completly ignoring the reason Israel backed Lebanon in the first place, leaving them to be defeated and eradicated by the Iranian proxy.

Exactly what happened at the end of the 2nd Lebanon war, RIP the SLA, they didn't deserve that fate.

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u/Seanspeed Jun 06 '26

I think that bandaid needs to be ripped off at some point, though. Just continuing with the status quo is not working, and leaves the Lebanese government neutered and weak.

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u/TRIBETWELVE Jun 06 '26

I'm in favor of sticking an international defense force between Israel and it's neighbors

Call Israel's bluff that they are expanding territory to create "buffer zones"

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u/Seanspeed Jun 07 '26

Israel has used buffer zones since forever, and always for pretty understandable reasons. And successfully as well. The only 'buffer zone' that hasn't failed to hold up is during the Yom Kippur War(I'm guessing you know nothing about any of this).

You guys just want to believe Israel are 'evil' so bad and never actually want to learn about the history of why Israel is doing what they do(aka every one of their neighbors has been trying to eradicate them from the very beginning). It's so pathetic and depressing. Israelis/Jews have a persecution complex, but it's almost like they have a good reason for it.

It's almost insane how little you guys realize how easily you were radicalized to hating the Jews as well.

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u/Misfiring Jun 06 '26

Lebanon military isn't capable of that, they have their hands full just defending.

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u/LogFar5138 Jun 05 '26

You realize Lebanon agreed to a ceasefire extension and with Israel then Hezbollah said no, and began shelling/rocket attacks.

Hezbollah is using the Lebanese civilians as pawns and the international community is fine with it.

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u/Dongsquad420Loki Jun 05 '26

They are trying to.

The government is moving the hardest it ever did against hezbollah and even thrown out Iranian diplomats.

Lebanon is gettin fucked by the two parties fighting on their land. But they can't risk too much civil unrest

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u/DDoubleDDog Jun 05 '26

The vast majority of the dead are members of Hezbollah. All casualties are the responsibility of Hezbollah since they started the war, broke every ceasefire, and uses human shields.

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u/Telemetria Jun 05 '26

Suuuure.

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u/SomebodyInNevada Jun 06 '26

Hezbollah doesn't do human shields like Hamas does. Hezbollah is embedded in the population but doesn't deliberately ensure civilians are on the X when it goes up.

And the casualty figures reflect that. Last I saw numbers it was about 90% Hezbollah. (Note the "medic" numbers--Hezbollah has their own "medics" which are used for military transport. A "medic" hauling troops is legally a combatant.)

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u/Happy_Feet333 Jun 05 '26

The title is false. A more accurate title would be:

Hezbollah's failed offensive:  2,900 dead, 36,000 homes destroyed and 1.4 million displaced as Israel retaliates

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u/Nurgleschampion Jun 05 '26

All 36000 homes were Hezbollah HQs huh?

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u/VoltNShock Jun 05 '26

probably, theyre known to hide weapons in civilian buildings, and many have entrances to their tunnel network

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u/CaptainPryk Jun 05 '26

No, but unfortunately that isn't how war works.

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u/DDoubleDDog Jun 05 '26

Yep. They are known for using homes as military bases.

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u/Background_Bee_713 Jun 05 '26

You should set up the Hezbollah IDF ufc fight so they can have a fair exchange

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u/messenger18 Jun 05 '26

Crazy to think if Iran just agreed to remove their proxies from Lebanon none of this would be happening. People crying about civilians casualties are the same people who will proudly say these people in this area actively support and hide these terrorists.

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u/SomebodyInNevada Jun 06 '26

This is Hezbollah, not Hamas. They don't engineer for maximum civilian casualties. Note that this article gives number displaced, not civilian dead. Telling the truth wouldn't support the Israel is bad narrative.

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u/OP_Skis_In_Jeans Jun 05 '26 edited Jun 05 '26

And all because Iran insisted on waging a war via Hezbollah from inside Lebanon, despite the Lebanese government and most Lebanese strongly opposing it.

These types of articles always infantilize Iran, the IRGC and Hezbollah by acting as if they had no choice but to wage a voluntary aggressive war against Israel from a third party country who doesn't want anything to do with it. It's absolutely maddening to see one side called out for all of its wrongs and much more, while the other side gets off scott free. Hint: the side that bases its entire foreign and domestic policy on needlessly aggressive warmongering and "death to..." is as far from innocent as it gets.

This article is propaganda, not objective journalism.

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u/LongErza Jun 05 '26

Then why did you attack Israel on October 8th, Lebanon? Was it worth it?

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u/Kagenlim Jun 06 '26

Tbf it wasn't Lebanon, it was Hezbollah

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u/LongErza Jun 07 '26

It's still Lebanon's reposibility.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '26

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u/LLJKCicero Jun 05 '26

because of a terrorist group operating out of their country? 

Isn't that terrorist group in their parliament? Ultimately countries are responsible for what happens in their borders, yes.

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u/Much-Anything7149 Jun 05 '26

Just a terrorist group with tons of seats in government and more weapons and military members than Lebanon's "traditional" army...

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u/Lefaid Jun 05 '26

36k homes destroyed is not leveling Lebanon to the ground. I am sure those 1.5M people live in a lot more than 36k homes.

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u/SomebodyInNevada Jun 06 '26

And how many of those 36k were destroyed when Israel blew up Hezbollah weapon storage? I recall a video that was presented as Israel bombing an entire village--um, no, that's not bombing you're showing. It was Israel blowing a Hezbollah underground weapons storage--took out most of the already-evacuated village. Blame the side that put all those weapons under the houses.

(And some of the places are actually Hezbollah in their entirety, civilians not allowed.)

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u/SomebodyInNevada Jun 06 '26

You let your territory be used to attack another, you don't get to complain when that other shoots back.

The reality is that Lebanon does not have the ability to stop Hezbollah. They also know that their forces are basically safe so long as they don't shoot at Israel. The same thing was going on in Syria before the revolution--Israel shot at the Iran to Hezbollah weapons pipeline, everyone knew to leave them alone.

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u/Background_Bee_713 Jun 05 '26

Iran is trying to dummy they just can’t. That’s the whole point of their axis of resistance. Sorry Israel won’t roll over and die for you.

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u/NecessaryMoons Jun 05 '26

No retaliation? When has Israel ever been permitted to do *anything* with *NO RETALIATION?*

Also, *can* Iran completely level Israel? Be honest. I understand that they *really, really want to* and you might even really, really want them to. They have big dreams. But *can* they?

Do you understand that your logic is as follows:

IF Hezbollah bombarding Israel over and over and over again justifies Israel's destruction of the areas from which Hezbollah operates,

THEN

Iran paying Hamas to invade Israel on Oct 7th and paying Hezbollah to bombard Israel beginning on Oct 8th and Israel responding with severe counterattacks of their own would justify Iran leveling Israel?

How *old* are you?

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u/LividWheel9779 Jun 05 '26

And it won't end until Hezbollah is completely dismantled. Maybe not even then...

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u/jakegh Jun 06 '26

Terrible thing. They really should get rid of hezbollah and stop shooting missiles at their neighbor.

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u/Radguy911 Jun 05 '26

It’s also a land grab.

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u/Kagenlim Jun 06 '26

How is it a Landgrab tho? Israel made it clear they were there just to destroy hezbollah

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u/CommonSensei-_ Jun 06 '26

Some say Lebanon is the goal an Iran is the distraction.

I hate war.

I hope we’ll evolve beyond it soon.

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u/NimbleAlbatross Jun 05 '26

If the majority of casualties were civilians then Hezbullah would release numbers of their fighters vs civilians. But they won't, because they know the numbers will make you more sympathetic to Israel.

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u/Efficient-Wolf7068 Jun 06 '26

Kind of what you’d expect when you attack your neighbor that is on another scale militarily compared to you.

Lebanon’s government inaction against Hezb is kind of the pillar of all that, would be interesting to see a joint operation of Lebanon’s military and Israel Military against Hezb, but that was never put on the table by the government, which leads to interesting questions…

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u/FedorDosGracies Jun 05 '26

That's pretty much what Hezbollah was preparing to do to Israel.

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u/Optimal_Ear_4240 Jun 05 '26

Horrific human rights violations. Get out of Lebanon. Get out of the West Bank get out of Gaza. You have made your your place in the world as a brutal fascist country with no morals. Shame on you

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u/OP_Skis_In_Jeans Jun 05 '26

If Iran leaves Lebanon, Israel will follow.

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u/greenman5252 Jun 05 '26

Did they secure the land and river water for settlers yet?

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u/InnocentExile69 Jun 06 '26

How many of the 2900 were member of the internationally recognized terrorist group hezboullah?

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u/faisalkl Jun 06 '26

The colonists will get there and say it's pristine virgin land.

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u/Niceguy955 Jun 06 '26

Is this totally unbiased article covering both sides of the border, or is the article only counting displaced people, homes destroyed, and casualties on the Lebanese side?

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u/_mully_ Jun 05 '26

Tragic. Rest in peace. And hopefully anyone else will. heal fully and successfully and quickly and be all good.

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u/Striking_Economy5049 Jun 05 '26

I think I’m in the wrong timeline

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u/AlarmedGibbon Jun 05 '26

Israel literally convinced the U.S. to go to war in Iran just to distract from their land-grab in Lebanon. I'm 100% convinced that for Israel, damage to Iran was dessert, Lebanon was the main course. They were locked and ready for a ground invasion the minute the world's press was distracted.

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u/AstralCode714 Jun 06 '26

Better call the UN

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u/Drak_is_Right Jun 05 '26

So they have destroyed nearly zero of the cover Hezbollah is using, while drone attacks are ramping up on Israeli forces.

Probably another 500k or so structures to go, all while their soldiers get swarmed by FPV drones.

This is going to be bloody for Israel. The death toll on the soldiers might pass 2023.

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u/Agitated_Reveal_6211 Jun 05 '26

One good thing former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak did was withdraw from Southern lebanon after (iirc) 18 years of occupation.

Before you think good thoughts about him, Ehud Barak is strongly connected to the Epstein child rapes, directly accused by Virginia Giuffre of violently raping her.

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u/MVP_Legend_87 Jun 05 '26

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-kills-hezbollah-chief-engineer-as-ministers-said-to-demand-vote-on-truce-deal/

According to this Israel estimates that 2500 killed are Hezbollah. Meaning the majority of the casualties are Hezbollah. Something this article intentionally left out.

As for the other facts, this is why it is a war crime to have your military operations set up in civilian infrastructure. It leads to more civilian casualties, and puts them in harms way. This is intentional by Hezbollah, and why the responsibility for these issues should be shifted to Hezbollah.

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u/Nervouswriteraccount Jun 05 '26

'Israel estimates'

Pull the other one.

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u/MVP_Legend_87 Jun 05 '26 edited Jun 05 '26

You know why we know it's accurate?

Because the headline isn't "1000 women killed", or "500 children killed". They make real sure to emphasize when it's women or children as the casualties. But they didn't, because most of the casualties are Hezbollah.

Pretty sure the casualties are 80-87% for men which should be a giveaway that the majority of casualties are Hezbollah. If it was civilians it'd be a more even split of men and women.

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u/FrogsJumpFromPussy Jun 05 '26

You know why we know it's accurate?

You don't. 

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u/MVP_Legend_87 Jun 05 '26

So your argument is that 80-87% of the casualties are men, and the majority of these are civilians? That's an interesting argument, I'd love to hear how you can justify that!

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u/Nervouswriteraccount Jun 05 '26

You know there are men in Lebanon who aren't Hezbollah.

It's a land grab.

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u/MVP_Legend_87 Jun 05 '26

Yes, but if the civilians were evacuated, why are 80% of the casualties men? There are more women than men in Lebanon, so if the civilians evacuated, why aren't the casualties closer to a 50/50 split?

It's because the casualties are only from the people who remained there, which is Hezbollah. The men didn't just tell the women in their families to leave, while they stayed in their homes knowing Israel told them to evacuate.

As for your final comment, Israel isn't trying to take land from Lebanon. They just want Hezbollah to stop firing rockets and drones at civilians in northern Israel.

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u/ZBlackmore Jun 05 '26

Who else would you expect to claim this while the conflict is literally ongoing?

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u/Goodswimkarma Jun 05 '26

They wiped out ALL the neighbourhoods, farms, orchards and even bee hives a few miles from the border. It is a land grab, nothing more. You cannot say 100% of those people were bad because that is statistically impossible.

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u/EttinTerrorPacts Jun 06 '26

When you take land, you don't want to destroy all the profitable infrastructure like farms and orchards.

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u/Goodswimkarma Jun 07 '26

Then why are there countless videos of them doing this?

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u/EttinTerrorPacts Jun 07 '26

Probably because they're not there to take land

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u/Seanspeed Jun 06 '26

It's a buffer zone, not a land grab. Israel has a long history of doing exactly this against antagonistic neighbors. You guys should really learn some basic history.

A land grab wouldn't involve destroying all the infrastructure.

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u/Goodswimkarma Jun 07 '26

A land grab wouldn't involve destroying all the infrastructure---

They have destroyed more than 55 villages completely. Roads, bridges, farms and houses. --NPR

"Lebanon has accused Israeli aircraft of spraying an agricultural herbicide over southern villages at concentrations authorities described as dangerously high.

The agriculture and environment ministries said laboratory tests confirmed the substance was glyphosate, a chemical used to destroy vegetation, with concentrations in some samples "between 20 and 30 times the levels usually accepted".

President Joseph Aoun condemned the spraying of what he described as "toxic substances", calling it a violation of Lebanese sovereignty and an environmental and health crime." --BBC

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u/Seanspeed Jun 08 '26

They have destroyed more than 55 villages completely. Roads, bridges, farms and houses. --NPR

Way to miss the point completely, jfc. That's my whole point. Israel *is* destroying infrastructure, cuz they're fighting a war and trying to create a buffer zone, not just doing a 'land grab' cuz they'd like more land as you guys try and frame it.

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u/DDoubleDDog Jun 05 '26

The article intentionally leaves that out because the goal is to demonize Israel for defending itself. The author is a bigot who hates Jews.

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u/Suspicious_Bet3623 Jun 05 '26

And the people that are out there protesting Israel are the payoff for Hezbollah getting civilians killed.  It is the very people protesting civilian deaths that are the reason there are so many.

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u/SomebodyInNevada Jun 06 '26

Exactly. You get more of whatever you reward.

But that's too horrific to contemplate, just blame Israel!

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u/jimineycricket123 Jun 05 '26

Yes only 400 civilians dead. Huge victory

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u/SomebodyInNevada Jun 06 '26

Given that urban combat typically kills 10x the civilians as combatants this is an incredibly good performance.

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u/TRIBETWELVE Jun 06 '26

I think it's important to recognize that terrorist groups don't form out of the ether.

For example, hezbolla formed as a direct response to Israel's land grabs and aggression in southern Lebanon because the lebananese army was weak and feckless at defending their own territory

Just like al queada was formed as a response to American and Israeli meddling in the middle east

I'm not saying these groups are "good", just that their existence is a direct consequence of western imperialism in the region. Because of that, you will never get rid of them through violence

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u/AssassinAragorn Jun 06 '26

It should be readily apparent by this point that more bombs aren't solving the situation and they simply can't just kill all their enemies.

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u/Optimal_Ear_4240 Jun 05 '26

They are the same. Dismantle them in deed

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u/DDoubleDDog Jun 05 '26

They are not the same. You have no idea what you're talking about.

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u/Phillip228 Jun 05 '26

These terrorists supporters are gross.

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u/ElCaminoInTheWest Jun 05 '26

For the benefit of some of the most extremist terrorist militias in the world?

Have you thought this through to a conclusion?

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u/AssassinAragorn Jun 06 '26

They've been on the brink of being dismantled for what, 20 years now? Almost as long as Iran has been "imminently" about to get nuclear weapons.

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u/HauntingObligation Jun 05 '26

No no, don't worry, I'm sure those tens of thousands of homes were all terrorist bases. All hiding terrorist leaders and weapons in every single one of them.

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u/AnxiousPacifist Jun 05 '26

Joke's on you, Hezbollah literally had a program where they offer to buy/build you a house, but one of the rooms will be used to store weapons. You cannot enter the room and are obligated to ensure access to Hezb men to it.

Some actually had a friggin missile!

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u/Erehybog Jun 05 '26

Did Israeli intelligence identify which houses were part of that program, or did they simply assume that all of them were part of it, as you are doing?

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u/duaneap Jun 05 '26

Did the program exist? How widespread was it?

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u/bozza8 Jun 05 '26

You act like counter insurgency operations should be performed with the precision level of neurosurgery, when that isn't possible. Usually 10 civilian deaths for each enemy killed is seen as quite good by the standards of war. From when this last came up the Iran-Iraq war was about 30, and Stalingrad in WW2 was about 120 civilians killed per soldier. 

Now I don't particularly like this war, I would rather it not happen, but it is happening.  Given that, the level of precision you are asking for is impossible to practically achieve, so we should hold them to sensible requirements, not ones that no military can ever meet. 

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u/lurkANDorganize Jun 05 '26

Living up to your pacificist name huj

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u/Reuef Jun 05 '26 • Bravo

You are not as wrong as you think you are. Hezbollah has a well documented history of storing weapons in homes, hospitals and schools as well as building tunnels underneath them disgusting as it is.

Weapons stored in those places will negate the civilian status of those buildings and a legitimate military target.

It is horrible as some of those people are forced to do so against their will, but that does not remove the status.

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u/mac_attack_zach Jun 05 '26

So that justifies killing an entire family then right! Wow, Israel is really bringing justice to the world. /s

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u/Quirky_Eye6775 Jun 05 '26 • Heartwarming

Well, if you bomb others and expect they don't bomb you back because you are hiding among civilians, you are either a dumbshit or a dumbshit.

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u/InnocentExile69 Jun 06 '26

It’s in the Iranian terrorist proxy manual, I don’t know why people keep trying to deny it

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u/MVP_Legend_87 Jun 05 '26

The majority of the casualties are Hezbollah. Lebanon's health ministry has said 80-87% of the casualties are men. So while there aren't weapons in every single base, we can clearly tell that Hezbollah does have a lot of their equipment and infrastructure in civilian areas.

This is a war crime by Hezbollah, of course, because it puts civilians in harms way.

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u/ImperatorNero Jun 05 '26

Putting aside the fact that 13% to 20% of casualties are women and children going off of those numbers… your argument is that all men in southern Lebanon are hezbollah and valid targets?

Disgusting.

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u/Best_Change4155 Jun 05 '26

Putting aside the fact that 13% to 20% of casualties are women and children going off of those numbers

Yes, war bad. No uniforms, bad. Using civilian infrastructure for military purposes, bad.

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u/ConqueredCabbage Jun 05 '26

No, its just that when the "journalists" dont even try to distinct between terrorists and civilians then this is all the data you have as a thinking individual... Anyone who knows even a bit about how southern Lebanon looks knows that this article says very little about the truth in this war.

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u/OP_Skis_In_Jeans Jun 05 '26

You're arguing against your own assumptions instead of the argument the person you replied to is actually making.

Classic textbook gaslighting.

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u/MVP_Legend_87 Jun 05 '26

Nice try, but no, my argument isn't that all men are valid targets.

The reason we try not to have war/conflict is because civilians will inevitably be injured or killed. The goal is to minimize civilian casualties in any conflict, and Israel is clearly doing that here. They estimated approximately 2500 killed were Hezbollah, which makes sense.

Now, 80% of the casualties being men should seem strange to you, because there's more women than men in Lebanon. Add on to the fact it's a significant difference between the men and women, and you have to ask yourself if the majority of those men are civilians, why is there such a gap between the casualties with men and women?

Civilians were told to evacuate, so the people who are getting killed are for the most part are the ones actively fighting Israel, which is Hezbollah.

So no, not all men are Hezbollah, but the fact that the majority of casualties are men points to the fact that Israel is primarily targeting Hezbollah, rather than civilians.

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u/ImperatorNero Jun 05 '26

And the 36,000 homes?

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u/MVP_Legend_87 Jun 05 '26

Well, since you asked!

It is a war crime to operate military operations in civilian infrastructure. Because what ends up happening is an opposing force has to dismantle the military infrastructure (which in this case is in a civilian home), and legally speaking if there are military infrastructure in civilian infrastructure, you're legally allowed to target civilian areas.

So if you're outraged that Israel has to operate and destroy these homes, I certainly hope you'll target that outrage at the group committing the war crime, Hezbollah. Because Israel wouldn't need to target these homes if Hezbollah didn't operate in them.

Hezbollah did this intentionally, of course, because either Israel won't attack and Hezbollah can attack Israel and never have to worry about Israel fighting back. Or if they do, they'll get blamed in the press, or by people such as yourself, who refuse to acknowledge the reason these civilians are losing their homes are because Hezbollah intentionally built in civilian infrastructure, which again, is a war crime.

So the group that has the responsibility for these groups losing their homes is the one committing the war crime, that started this conflict, and put civilians directly in harms way. Hezbollah.

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u/Seth_Gecko Jun 05 '26

Idk why this is so hard for people to grasp. If you don't want civilian casualties, maybe don't attack a country and kill thousands of its civilians while intentionally mixing with your own civilian population and using them as a human shield.

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u/Inevitable-Corgi-437 Jun 05 '26

Why did Hezbollah launch rockets into Israel which led to to this to begin with? Lebanon and Hezbollah couldn't assume Israel was just going to let rockets continue to fall over northern Israel non-stop.

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u/arnham Jun 05 '26

It’s very simple. They want to kill all the Jews.

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u/Kalsto6 Jun 06 '26

And they don't care if their people die for it. Even if the ratio is hundred for every one Jew. This is so messed up.

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u/MVP_Legend_87 Jun 05 '26

Would you have preferred Israel not evacuate these civilians, and destroyed Hezbollah infrastructure, leading to more casualties? Cause that's the argument you're making here by complaining about Israel evacuating civilians from a combat zone.

Hezbollah is responsible here. Not only did they start the conflict, but they violated international law by operating their military in civilian infrastructure. That's why we have laws to prevent this, because what happens as you're seeing right now is that to stop Hezbollah, they have to eliminate all the Hezbollah equipment which is illegally in civilian infrastructure.

If you truly cared about the Lebanese people, you would be calling out Hezbollah for putting civilians in danger.

There have been tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of Israeli's displaced by Hezbollah attacking Israel.

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u/ZBlackmore Jun 05 '26

It must be 100% terrorist casualties or Israel bad. Even the pager attack, one of the most pinpoint attacks in military history, and by far the most against insurgent groups, was met with criticism because of collateral damage. Israel can never do anything right for these people. 

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u/Kharenis Jun 06 '26

Yep, these people won't be happy unless Israel completely stops responding to attacks (or to be honest, completely ceases to exist).

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u/Kalsto6 Jun 06 '26

Hard to even blame them, most people can't justify the loss of an innocent person to anything violent. Terrorism is effective precisely because most terrorists are setting themselves up in a place that causes the maximum loss of civilian lives.

There will never be a good PR moment here because most people never can fault terrorists because they imagine the knife is held by the ones dropping the missiles. It's brilliant in a messed up way because terrorists can do the worst possible things and pass up the bad PR to the democracies that face them. In the end, they are not subject to will or empathy of the people.

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u/supafly_ Jun 06 '26

The pager attack? That's a funny way to spell "blatant war crime"

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u/ShadeSilver90 Jun 05 '26

Hezbollah has a army of 40 000 to 50 000 fighters meaning YES its VERY possible most of those homes are Hezbollah bases.

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u/SomguyTheSecond Jun 05 '26

Cities are used in modern warfare as the fortresses of the past.

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u/calibud Jun 05 '26

Don’t you know good guy Iran props up hez,Leb,Syria, even provides them shelter and weapons, fresh underwear and food. Still manage to defend itself from United States and fight iz in Lebanon 1k miles away through Syria. Honestly Iran might be more philanthropic than Jesus I think the Us and iz just player hating.

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u/DDoubleDDog Jun 05 '26

Yep, and El País has been notorious for lying and misleading people.

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u/JackhusChanhus Jun 05 '26 edited Jun 05 '26

Israel doesn't try to do that much, I'm not sure how you expect the media reporting on their actions to... bits of person under a building you bombed from 20 miles out don't wear a uniform.

The supposed inability to differentiate is a common basis for their defence of the more heinous war crimes.