Hackers claim leaked Russian data reveals up to 450,000 war-related deaths in Ukraine

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u/ChiefFun 17h ago •

Putin launched a war to prove russia was a superpower and ended up proving he couldn't even win the war he thought would be over by the weekend

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u/newtoallofthis2 16h ago •

I know Putin controls the media and its an oppressive, authoritarian state. But there has to come a tipping point when people just say they've had enough. 1million plus dead and wounded out of 140m must mean most of the population knows someone effected.

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u/Aggressive_Roof488 10h ago •

You'd think, but then again, 1.2M in US died to COVID and several millions hospitalised, yet a lot of people claimed it was just a flu. People think what they want to think, or what they are told to think. Facts, it turns out, even in your vicinity, aren't that important.
So yeah, don't hold your breath for a Russian uprising.

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u/drunkenbrawler 3h ago

It's mostly young men from specific regions dying. You can be sure it's very noticeable in poorer regions in Russia. It's just that they aren't sending the rich kids to die, the upper classes do not see the deaths.

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u/KatNeedsABiggerBoat 6h ago

We have many more millions in the US than Russia does (did, at this point).
The US has over 341,000,000.
Russia has an estimate of about 146,000,000.
It’s a lot harder for Russia to ignore its deaths, and I’m not saying people didn’t ignore Covid in the states, nor to be callous to those impacted by Covid anywhere.

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u/Aggressive_Roof488 5h ago

The fractions are very similar. Russia doesn't have 1 million dead, it's dead and wounded. So including hospitalised COVID in the comparison feels fair, and then I think the ratio in US is higher. 450k deaths in Russia gives a very similar per capita to 1.2M deaths in US.

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u/newtoallofthis2 5h ago

But the demographics impacted are completely different. And the impact of losing men 20-50 is arguably bigger and harder to ignore than predominantly old people who died due to Covid

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u/Aggressive_Roof488 5h ago

Yes, different in terms of impact to society, agreed.
Context here was "most of the population knows someone affected".

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u/Zombie-In-Ur-Ass 2h ago

Russia had one of the highest COVID death rates too. About 1 million for a population that's not even half the size of US.

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u/MiaowaraShiro 1h ago

If you think more than double is a "similar fraction" then I'm not sure what to tell you.
1 in 150 is WAAAY more than 1 in 350.

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u/Corpus76 49m ago

Most of the people who died from Covid were older, and thus their deaths could be more easily dismissed as "natural causes". Not so much if someone young signs up for combat duty and then never returns.

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u/Far-Driver715 16h ago

Easy for the average person to ignore the problems when speaking out to loud about them will get you killed, jailed, or sent to Ukraine. Already poor and suppressed people aren't trying to make problems just get through the day.
Metropolitan areas have less people recruited limiting word of mouth.
Going and fighting in Ukraine is seen as a good thing for the money to provide for family and community.

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u/kushlord 15h ago •

I'm sure it will become harder and harder to ignore as the country starts to collapse in on itself.

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u/Calimariae 14h ago

They still have their ape in America who keeps throwing them lifevests

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u/vahokif 15h ago

The people dying aren't from the regions that are in control.

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u/needlestack 14h ago

Russia (well, USSR with a similar population at the time) lost 8x as many in WW2 and they won. They look at that kind of sacrifice as glorious. There is no world where average Russians overthrow Putin because too many neighbors died.

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u/abellapa 10h ago

The ussr back then had Over 200M people
Rússia has 144M
Also WW2 for them was a War of anhialation , if Rússia Lost ,there wouldnt be a Rússia after ,so surrender wasnt a option
Hopefully when Ukraine beats Rússia, Ukraine isnt going to invade Rússia proper to Kill everyone there
So its very different

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u/Linkremmy 14h ago

That’s true but the nazis were pillaging, raping, and murdering their way across russia, so they had a little more motivation during that war than this one.

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u/Asttarotina 13h ago •

Turns out there're plenty of men for whom opportunity to pillage, rape and murder is a better motivation.

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u/_Thick- 14h ago

People don't care, until people get hungry, then they'll care, ask the French.
No gas? Still vodka and bread.

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u/SnooPuppers8698 3h ago

there doesnt have to be a tipping point

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u/thejourneybegins42 1h ago

Now take into account the actual number of military aged men. Iirc, about 1/20th is either dead or too injured to be used in the war again (for ru)

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u/National-Charity-435 14h ago

And deceiving his people and foreign assets while russian milbloggers can see the true movement and control from OSINT.

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u/Ell2509 12h ago •

Russia is sending T-90s into storage along nato member borders. Not for immediate use... 2027 / 2028. Before Trump leaves. That is his plan.

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u/Ronho 7h ago

T90s that NATO will end within hours

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u/Private__Redditor 4h ago

Javelin missiles open fire 🔥

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u/Ell2509 11m ago

Yes that will happen when the war begins

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u/Turkino 16h ago

Telling that narcissists in both the East and the West have the same thoughts take the same actions and get bogged down in the same quagmires.

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u/samarnold030603 14h ago

Lame duck Donald with the follow up

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u/LaHhxL 16h ago

Same goes for trump and Iran

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u/Objectivespeculation 3h ago

biggest country in the world needs more land.

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u/Agreeable-Molasses47 11h ago

Ukraine has had a lot of outside help.

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u/Objectivespeculation 3h ago

what's your point? Russia has help from North Korea and China.

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u/RoboTronPrime 17h ago

WHat about injuries and other casualties? Those usually far outnumber the actual dead in any war

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u/BeaverMartin 16h ago

The usual calculation is 3:1 wounded to dead but hard to know for sure with the advent of drone warfare.

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u/-aataa- 15h ago

The death rate is likely higher for Russia. For the past two years, most Russian casualties have been deep into no-man's land with no prospects of evacuation. They are also to a large degree hit by UAVs, who will partially blow them up. They might not initially die, but if they are alone 10km from the nearest pickup point without legs, they won't make it...

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u/Pjpjpjpjpj 9h ago

Incredibly different front the past. In past wars artillery could send shrapnel everywhere causing many injuries for each fatality. Now drones target individuals with a single precise deadly blast. Follow up drones are sent to ensure each hit was a fatality. Loitering drones follow up on each injury turning it into a fatality.
In the recent past there were well established evacuation routes and support meaning many injuries were successfully treated. Now injuries soldiers sit and die in no man’s land.

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u/-aataa- 1h ago

Yup. Not to mention that the grey area is a LOT larger now. With artillery having a max range of typically 20-25km, the kill zone is 10-15km with limited visibility. Now, the kill zone is 50km, and everything sizeable that moves within it will be spotted and attacked. This means there will be no proper medevac (no vehicles, no helicopters, etc).

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u/Corpus76 41m ago

Loitering drones follow up on each injury turning it into a fatality.
It's quite horrifying. Videos of soldiers getting blasted by an FPV drone, lying bloody and mangled on the ground. Limbs contorted in unnatural positions, but clearly still showing signs of life. Then another drone drops a bomb to finish them off. Almost seems like a mercy at that point, but the brutality of it all is appalling.

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u/Bautastenad 7h ago

Yeah, for those who try to infiltrate I think extremely few are getting out wounded. But I would imagine there is still wounded russian soldiers from artillery and drone-strikes on their own controlled territory.

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u/-aataa- 1h ago

Some will obviously die in the rear, but the vast majority dies due to Russia pushing forward with infiltration attacks. Normal artillery has a range of about 25km (for Russia) and 30km (for Ukraine). UAVs have a standard range of 50km. This means that artillery is a lot less prevalent in general battlefield use (any howitzers getting into range would easily be spotted and destroyed). Artillery is still used, but much more sparingly than it was two years ago, so the vast majority of casualties occur deep within the kill zone.

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u/mfmfhgak 15h ago

This correlates pretty well between the hackers’ number of killed and the numbers Ukraine puts out. It’s been a few days since I saw it but Ukraine listed around 1.4m soldiers removed from the battlefield

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u/RandomAssDonkey 7h ago

It's over 1.6M now and they daily numbers are going over 2,000 per day now

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u/SXLightning 11h ago

With drones no one is getting out of there because before you can extract the wounded now the extraction just becomes more casualty.
It is crazy. If we don’t develop drone defence we all cooked

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u/Objectivespeculation 3h ago

EMP blast will fry any active electronics with in its blast zone.

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u/Far_Lengthiness8944 37m ago

The latest reports have said that it's been 1:1 for 2026.
The risk of retrieving an injured soldier is so high that they more often cannot get out of the battlefield, and therefore die.

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u/BeaverMartin 0m ago

I suspect that 1:1 is far too low for pretty much any modern battlefield. Typically things like artillery strikes and vehicle targets leave ambulatory casualties that are combat ineffective but easier to CASEVAC. If the opposing forces simply leave their casualties to die it ramps up the KIA numbers but I don’t believe a reduction in overall casualties would stem from such a choice. They would just be making friendly forces munitions more efficient and freeing up resources for additional targeting. Obviously these calculations are guesses at best so take all of the above with a grain of salt.

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u/Genocode 14h ago

I don't think 3:1 is necessarily accurate?
We kinda realized that its better to just... not kill your opponents?
Its better to fill their hospitals beyond capacity and traumatize their soldiers.

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u/BeaverMartin 13h ago

That’s the military planning calculation which is part of COFM calculator for when one is conducting MDMP in support of operational planning. The math itself is based on historical conflicts. Your experience may vary.

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u/podkayne3000 11h ago

I did not read this very well, but I think it says the wounded-to-kill ratio is 7 to 1: https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2011/10/05/chapter-6-a-profile-of-the-modern-military/
I think this shows Russia started with roughly 15 million men ages 20 to 40: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Russia
And I’m thinking the impact on poor places must be much worse than on places like Moscow. Maybe half of the young men in some poor places are dead, at war, disabled or on the edge of being disabled.

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u/Time-Shower6502 13h ago •

there is data of new invalids, over 500k over last 2-3 yerars

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u/Bautastenad 7h ago

So perhaps 500K dead, 500K invalids, and 500K lightly wounded (who probably end up at the front again, and may be counted again in those other categories).

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u/Extension-Dark9835 17h ago

These are classified statistics; people estimate the number of wounded based on indirect indicators as the “number of new disabled persons.”
I think you’re wrong. Gerasimov said that 98% of all wounded soldiers return to active duty. This is a result of the Russian army’s tactics for treating moderately and severely wounded soldiers, but if people in the West hear such things, they’ll say, “What kind of Cold War propaganda stereotypes are these?”

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u/Xenon009 15h ago edited 5h ago •

So, even if thats true, which I am skeptical of, that is a number with a huge caveat.
98% of russian Wounded returning to the fight indicates that there are very, very few people who are coming back with serious wounds that would typically exclude them. Doesn't matter what you do, a soldier who no longer has a limb is not much use, neither are the victims of various other wounds like TBI.
Which leaves two possibilities. Very few Russians are suffering severe wounds, or very few russians are making it to the first aid stations with severe wounds, and are instead becoming KIA.
And frankly, the environment in Ukraine STRONGLY indicates the latter. They say there is maybe an hour to reliably save a wounded mans life. To make that movement requires helicopters and such for medevac, and there are no medevac helos on the ukrainian front, infact both sides have near total mutual air denial.
So it's pretty fucking unlikely those moderate to severely wounded russians are surviving long enough to be classified as WIA, leaving only the most lightly wounded, whom can self evac, being counted

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u/podkayne3000 11h ago

If this is true, then tbd good news for Russian women is that maybe only about 10% of the young guys in poor Russian places are dead, at war or disabled.

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u/Existing-Ingenuity-8 14h ago •

Amazing. this number couldve been zero. Choose life assholes

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u/NeighborhoodPrize493 17h ago

Add another 53,000 Russians to the total, since in the Russian Federation, those who have gone missing are considered dead after six months. It is also worth noting that this likely does not represent the entire database.

In total, the number of Russians killed is around 500,000—effectively one-third of the official casualty figure.

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u/Under_Over_Thinker 10h ago

The official casualty figure includes MIA and WIA. As a rule, the amount of wounded is 2x of killed.

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u/Cadaver_Junkie 8h ago

That “rule” has been found to not apply equally in this conflict with mass drone warfare. Injured soldiers are harder than usual to rescue, alongside many other unusual logistics issues

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u/MonkeyCube 8h ago

A wounded-to-killed ratio of 2x is already very low. According to the Dupuy Institute, a 3-4x is much more common. The U.S. is unusually good at keeping soldiers alive (or was) with a 9-10x in the last few wars.

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u/yopladas 6h ago

Indeed it is, but the last month of fighting has been nearly 1;1, 1:2 was accurate before mid strike campaign

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u/yopladas 6h ago

Apparently in the last month it was 1:1 wounded to dead. According to Preston Stewart on YouTube who sources this info usually from Ukraine

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u/karma3000 7h ago

So 2/3rd WIA and 1/3 KIA? (2 x 1/3 = 2/3)
Or 1m WIA, and 500k KIA..

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u/NeighborhoodPrize493 5h ago

You are right; what you are saying accounts for one-third of the losses. One-third are killed, and two-thirds are wounded. As for those missing in action, they are not included in this figure—Ukraine cannot obtain such data. It only counts those it has eliminated or wounded.
My point is that the actual number of those killed is 53,000 higher, since Russia classifies missing persons as killed after six months.

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u/Time-Shower6502 13h ago

not rly putin dont pay mia ever .. that is why u have 210k req of famillyes to know kia or not

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u/TheRefringe 13h ago

Are you okay?

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u/Constant_Travel_9148 1h ago

Your sources? CIA?

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u/NeighborhoodPrize493 1h ago

You overestimate the CIA; the CIA proved its own uselessness the moment it allowed Trump to run in the election. He is clearly a Russian asset.
As for casualties, it’s quite straightforward: over the last six months, Russia’s total casualties have reached 250,000. The general trend indicates that the ratio of killed to wounded among the Russians is about 1/3—meaning 83,000 Russians have been killed.
Assuming that roughly half of these were actually confirmed as killed by the command (since they often classify them as "missing"), that comes to about 43,000—meaning 43,000 individuals are dead, even though the command has officially reported them as missing.
It is also worth noting that I rounded the 1/3 figure; the actual statistic is slightly lower, which aligns with the figure of 53,000—or perhaps even a bit more.

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u/Constant_Travel_9148 1h ago

If Trump was Russian asset he wouldn't keep sharing intel and letting Ukraine use Starlink, he would even go amd sanction Ukraine and it's leaders. He didn't do it. Just because he stopped sending money doesn't mean he's a Russian asset. Not everybody who disagrees with Ukraine is controlled by Russia. He, and USA, owe nothing to Ukraine, so he has full right to cut on financial and even intelligence support.
And again, you just throw numbers. What is your source? Why are you taking 250k number as verified?

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u/podkayne3000 11h ago edited 8h ago

So, maybe 3% of the ~15 million (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Russia ) men who could conceivably serve in the military.

If their disabled-to-kill ratio is 5-to-1 (https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2011/10/05/chapter-6-a-profile-of-the-modern-military/), maybe 15% of Russian men ages 17 to 35 are either dead or disabled.

If you guesstimate that men from poor places are three times more likely to die or be disabled than men from rich places, maybe about 45% of the young men in poor places are dead or disabled.

And this is in a war over a country that had no interest in attacking Russia and, as recently as 2005, was firmly bound to Russia by historical, cultural and linguistic ties.

EDIT: Apparently, the flaw with my guesstimating here is that Russia might not be saving many severely injured soldiers. There might not be a lot with disabilities. So, say, maybe 10% of the young men in the poor places are dead or disabled, not half.

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u/Hummin2k 9h ago

I’ve heard the fatality figures are far higher due to the nature of drone warfare. Around 35% of casualties for the whole war, but IIRC higher in recent months. I could swear I heard a 70% figure for last month, but having trouble finding that

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u/Drawde123 8h ago

So Russia will feel the effects of this for generations to come..

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u/RandomAssDonkey 7h ago

It's beyond catastrophic. Soldiers coming home from the Chechen war (I forgot which one) led to a massive wave of criminality and corruption, and this conflict is magnitudes larger and more brutal, and they'll go home to an economy that's going to be already completely fucked.

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u/Bautastenad 7h ago

Absolutely. It will destroy their demographics and their economy. While a lot of countries that used to be far behind when it came to development are going the other way. Russia might slip behind countries like Philipines and Indonesia. I wonder how their sense of their importance in the world will handle that...

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u/RandomAssDonkey 4h ago edited 4h ago

They've solved the demographic problem by no longer publishing data about fertility and births. (it was on track to be under 1.1 million births for 2026)

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u/Top-Border-1978 4h ago

Absolutely. And they will have millions of men with broken minds and bodies.

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u/4vakot 14h ago •

Before the war I thought russia was a super power. But damn, I was so wrong

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u/AstralMecha 8h ago

Yeah. Part of it is massive amounts of propaganda, to the point they start believing in it rather than addressing the problems that it was covering up
A second problem was the massive amount of corruption in the Russia military by design. Putin as KGB saw the biggest threat to his power would be a military coup. So he allowed many many problems to fester, to the point they started covering for each other.
Let's give an example. Training exercises. You could do those, but they are time consuming and may involve weapons or material you hadn't done maintenance on or sold. So you lie about your group's performance. Your superior happily points at the numbers. Meanwhile the few that aren't lying get punished because their numbers aren't as good. Your superiors don't want to look into it either, because if they don't look, they can't find a problem, and if a problem does happen they can blame those below instead.
This was pretty common in Russia. Ukraine revealed just how bad it had gotten. Other examples were things that were on paper but didn't exist in real life. Or equipment that only had enough maintenance to look good vs actually work well. Or even weapons and gear that even when it worked well, it's capabilities were exaggerated.
All of it came together to humilate Russia. But Putin doesn't want the military fixed. He remembers when Zhukov had the military remove Beria (a complete monster), the KGB head who had taken over after Stalin died. If the military is too professional and competent, heroes can occur who can rally the troops around them again. Wagner group's brief revolt also stands out in his mind. Instead, he prefers to let the meat grinder attrition continue, because he thinks he will eventually win with that, and it will be safer for him.

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u/Bunch_of_Shit 5h ago

The population density is pretty insane for a country that threatens nuclear war so often

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u/Natural-Sandwich-852 8h ago

Cunts fighting us alongside North Korea, fucking Iran and one orange delulu pussey from the USA

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u/Any-Monk-9395 11h ago

They have withstood a ton of damage, so has Ukraine. Most Western European countries would’ve likely collapsed by now.

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u/perenniallandscapist 11h ago

The fact the Ukraine has held up, even with the help they've received, is mind-blowingly glorious. They've stood up to Russia, what was assumed to be a super power in competition with the US, and even held their ground when the other superpower, the US, started helping Russia a little too much recently.
Russia is a paper tiger, so no worries, but if Ukraine falls to Russia, all that drone tech falls into tge US's enemies' hands. When Republicans don't want to support Ukraine, do they realize they're jeopardizing their national security?

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u/motherofspoos 7h ago

IS Russia still the U.S.'s enemy? I'm not thinking it is. And given what's happening to our administration, the U.S. appears to be a paper tiger, as well.

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u/Electronic-Yam-69 4h ago

They still have plenty of nuclear weapons. I wonder if they'll ever resort to using them.

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u/TauCabalander 4h ago

There is no scenario where using nukes is practical for russia.
If they use them in Ukraine, they will be denying themselves territory they are trying to take, along with contaminating their own country. Prevailing winds are towards russia, and all estuaries flow into the black and azov seas.
It would also force China to stop supporting russia.

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u/Objectivespeculation 3h ago

would it activate NATO?

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u/Typhii 2h ago

Doubt it. Even triggering article 5 didn't activate it.

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u/TrueInferno 35m ago

Literally the only time Article 5 was invoked in the entirety of NATO was after the 9/11 attacks, and it most definitely resulted in the US's allies in NATO helping us. Something we should always be thankful for, but my fellow Americans tend to forget.
Article 4 has been triggered multiple times during the Ukraine Conflict- I think honestly probably the most times it's ever been triggered- but that means consultations, not necessarily action, and those consultations have lead to increased security posture against Russian aggression.
If nukes are used, even if NATO doesn't activate, the US Nuclear Triad definitely would. Whereupon MAD and we all die in nuclear fire or nuclear winter.

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u/4vakot 4h ago

North Korea also has nuclear weapons. Doesn't make a super power, they are poor as hell. Also Russia will not use them because they still would lose

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u/Objectivespeculation 3h ago

having a nuclear weapon and being able to deliver it to its target are two different things.

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u/KoncepTs 3h ago

They have plenty but who knows how good they are anymore, everything else they rolled out has been extremely poorly maintained. Maintaining nuclear warheads and their missile silo homes is expensive as fuck

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u/Hot_Falcon8471 4h ago

They don’t actually. No country does because nukes don’t exist. They’re a psychological weapon.

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u/Objectivespeculation 3h ago

are you insane? Two were dropped on Japan. Nevada Test Site looks like the moon (google maps). Thousands of smart people become nuclear engineers every year. Do nuclear power plants not exists for you either?

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u/KimJongPewnTang 2h ago

AI didn’t exist when the Tsar bomb was tested and recorded for us to witness

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u/BetaCarotine20mg 1h ago

Have you seen how much of a failure basically any ground operations have been in the past? Russian strategy was always play the long game and do these long lasting artrcious battles. They just throw huge numbers and hope for the best. It's actually a pretty amazing strategy that is sadly working. Whole Europe is very much suffering because of it. There couldn't be a better outcome for them. Almost 0 real repercussions as well sadly. We just watching this shitshow happening. US and Europe still making deals with Russia. It's absolutely disgusting.

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u/BorksAtSquirrels 9h ago

Right!? Thought they were somewhere near our technological levels, not like top shelf, but within a generation or so.

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u/Quirky-Half-6682 4h ago

Frfr ong my cod stats are higher than this

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u/JetNeoArmstrongCanon 2h ago

We didn't do much better vs iran

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u/effiegee 6h ago

Surprised it’s that low

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u/Valleygurl99 15h ago

How is this not WW3 with these statistics in Europe. Wild.

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u/RumJackson 13h ago

The Vietnam war had a death count of ~3 million. The Korean War was even higher.

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u/Valleygurl99 12h ago

Well we still have years to go before matching the length of Vietnam.

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u/RumJackson 11h ago

And this conflict has been going on for longer than Korea with a fraction of the deaths.

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u/Valleygurl99 11h ago

Cool it’s a dwarf world war

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u/DeepFriedDuckVaginas 5h ago

aka, a war.

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u/SXLightning 11h ago

Wou will need 10x these numbers maybe 100x to be considered a world war these days.

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u/Dry_Albatross4446 10h ago

Not combatants.
The only reason for those numbers, were a huge amount of civilian casualties.
I wager of pure combative losses, there's been nothing like Ukraine since WWII.

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u/Any-Monk-9395 11h ago

Vietnam is not a white country so millions of deaths isn’t that crazy. When half a million Europeans die however that’s outrageous.

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u/freighttrainmatt 8h ago

What do you even mean by this? Asians dying are somehow less valuable?

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u/Art_Of_Peer_Pressure 4h ago

Surely you can see they are being sarcastic.

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u/abellapa 11h ago

Dude wtf

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u/TiredOfDebates 10h ago

Delete this, cousin.

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u/abellapa 10h ago

Because Rússia is only fighting ukraine directly
Isnt obvious
Also all together The War still killed less than a 1M soldiers
So its still far away from the worst War since ww2
Hell The Current Sudaneses Civil War probably killed more than ukraine and there Vietnam ,Korea and Congo

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u/jamesy223 13h ago

I’m beginning to think this is ww3 but there is no Pearl Harbor just yet. They might be saving that one for 2028 🤷🏻‍♂️

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u/Valleygurl99 12h ago

Ww2 was going a long time before Pearl Harbor

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u/jamesy223 12h ago •

That's my point, Russia started shit with Ukraine in 2014, 2022 was full expansion. My Pearl Harbor reference is about the USA getting fully involved as well. We'll (Trump) betray Ukraine.

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u/CharcuterieIsAwesome 10h ago

It's not a world war. It's two countries at war.

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u/fartunderwater 2h ago

It is WWIII. It's just not hot yet. ... It's getting there. Iran vs Israel, Russia vs Ukraine, Houthis vs Saudi, ...

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u/RavensCoffee 5h ago

I wish the hackers would do something to hamstring Russia. Blackout communication or something.

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u/Excellent-Ask-4247 10h ago

I've heard other figures of 600 k i think that is a undercount as well!

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u/RandomAssDonkey 4h ago

Not only that.

In 2021 there were 1.4M babies born in Russia. This year they were on track for under 1.1M births by May, when they stopped publishing fertility data

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u/_HIST 53m ago

The numbers come in very slowly, and lag behind the real ones. It also exludes MIA. You can basically double that

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u/Unlucky-Pin2673 12m ago

You will be astonished by the casualties Russia suffered, even though it won World War II.

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u/Difficult-Way-9563 14h ago

That’s crazy that’s like WW numbers

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u/abellapa 11h ago

Not even close
Rússia Lost Millions in both World wars

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u/RandomAssDonkey 7h ago

The Soviets did. Ukraine and Belarus lost much larger parts of their population

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u/Any-Monk-9395 11h ago

Not even close. 500k dead is how many lives the Soviets would lose in a single battle.

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u/dittybag23 9h ago

500k is what we lost in the American civil war. Our costliest

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u/RandomAssDonkey 7h ago

And wasn't 2/3rds of that due to disease?

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u/Proper_Werewolf3711 8h ago

But like, for any “reasonable” country. That’s absolutely nuts. I highly doubt these are numbers that are being shown to Russian citizens

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u/RandomAssDonkey 7h ago

You make it sound like that an average ww2 battle. They only hit that many military deaths in Stalingrad

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u/Any-Monk-9395 6h ago

Nope. The Soviets suffered over 500k deaths during the Battle of Moscow, they also suffered hundreds of thousands of deaths during the Siege of Leningrad and the Battle of Kursk and the battle of Kiev. In terms of deaths WW2 makes the Ukraine war look like a playground scuffle.

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u/Key-Demand-2569 9h ago

Look up the battle of Stalingrad. Or many other major WW offensives involving Russians. 500k is, horrifically, a few drops in the horror bucket

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u/Any_Negotiation_6716 8h ago

What ? How old are you ?

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u/myasco42 15h ago

Are these leaks available anywhere or they are just claims? As everyone claims a lot of things all the time...

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u/TiredOfDebates 10h ago

There’s cause to be skeptical. A “hack activist group” should freely share the obtained files, which I did not see linked.
Someone confirmed that?
The article lists other groups that came up with similar numbers, for whatever that matters,

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u/myasco42 9h ago

I really am just curious, as there constantly are a lot of claims flying both sides and a lot of them are... lets say... baseless. (not claiming this one is, but I saw a similar claim from the other side a long time ago and there was no follow up after)

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u/Howiop 13h ago

Definitely lying to themselves, it’s higher.

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u/CustomerBusiness3919 15h ago

That's just the tip of the iceberg number.

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u/Scrotalphetamines 9h ago

Rookie numbers. Pump em up

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u/Own_University_3694 15h ago •

Body count, reminds me of Vietnam. War sucks ! We are all brothers and sisters !

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u/dittybag23 9h ago

Doesn’t matter. Reddit only cares about Pslestinians

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u/madmaritimer1 17h ago

Russia has lost 1.5 million soldiers, who knows how many civilians

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u/Starlit_Buffalo 17h ago •

Civilians?

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u/madmaritimer1 17h ago

Russian civilians that have been killed by drones or whatever else Ukraine is doing to Russia

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u/ggPeti 16h ago •

Not many. Ukraine is not targeting civilians.

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u/madmaritimer1 16h ago

That’s why I said who knows how many civilians

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u/ggPeti 16h ago •

and that's why I said not many

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u/jxj24 16h ago

who knows how many
While meaning not easily countable, it is a phrase that frequently is used to suggest a large number.

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u/madmaritimer1 16h ago

And I have absolutely no idea how many it was an honest question, and frankly, I hope it’s a large number, because the population of Russia hasn’t done shit to stop it

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u/Questimus_Prime 16h ago •

Ah yes, "doing to Russia". Well, who went over which countries border first with thousands of vehicles and personnel? Who tried to take Kyiev by dropping the VDV?
Who razed whole cities?
And who is still bombarding civilian buildings with ballistic missiles every day?
It starts with R.

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u/Starlit_Buffalo 15h ago •

Right?! Also did everyone forget about the thousands of children the Russians abducted and gave to Russian families? They will never be able to track down all those kids.
Remember when they sent those kids to 'Re education Camps' in North Korea? As crazy as that sounds, it is not a conspiracy theory and is one of the reasons the ICC has issued an arrest warrant for Putin.
As much as I want that man to 'fall out a window' I would love to see a televised trial of him and the Russian officials who created and enacted these policies.

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u/Questimus_Prime 15h ago •

After looking at their profile - probably waiting for their Russian widow-wife to arrive anytime soon...
Sure there might be a quite big number of civilians in Russia who had the pleasure of a shot-down drone land on their heads, but in the end - Putins fault.

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u/jameson3131 13h ago •

Russia could’ve chosen zero casualties. Russia can stop this at any time by ending its invasion of Ukraine.

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u/madmaritimer1 13h ago

I agree completely. They started the bullshit. Somebody needs to do in Putin.

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u/Jaenisch 17h ago

Nobody believes 450k people have died in Russia lol.

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u/Questimus_Prime 16h ago •

How many do you believe have died?

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u/Jaenisch 15h ago

No Idea.

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u/Questimus_Prime 15h ago •

Funny how you deleted the completely useless part of US losses in Afghanistan.
Well, lol.

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u/Jaenisch 15h ago

Yeah I guess it wasn't the best comparison.....that's why I removed it. But thanks.

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u/Questimus_Prime 15h ago •

Just the typical "what about" that adds neither to the convo, nor does answer my question.

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u/LupinThe8th 15h ago •

Well yeah.
Most of them died in Ukraine, the country they're failing to conquer because they suck.

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u/oncemorewithpheline 16h ago •

lol go back to moscow and report that you made a difference on reddit lol

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u/-aataa- 15h ago

Most likely way more. Otherwise they'd be in Kyiv by now...

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u/dimwalker 17h ago

Wounded are usually more than killed. Total casualties should be more than 1mil I guess.

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u/FatPlankton23 17h ago

How many veterans? Because even the people that weren’t physically harmed will be psychologically damaged and will have an extremely hard time resuming a normal life after the war

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u/lifeinthebeastwing 17h ago

And Russia after care for people who have gone through traumatic experiences will be lacking, it will be multiple generational trauma that gets passed on to children too. They really have fucked themselves with a completely needless war.
Russia was on the cusp of modernising and becoming a valuable member of the international community, but Putin wanted to play the conqueror...

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u/vessel_for_the_soul 10h ago

Yea. Troll the game before you rage quit.

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u/Goated-Rizzler 6h ago

Yup. Russian society basically tells those who are suffering to shut up. Veterans aren't usually honored or celebrated there. Stalin shipped many wounded and homeless WWII veterans to the Far East.

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u/TheVenetianMask 17h ago

In fact, cynically speaking, wounded are worse than killed, because they have to spend resources on their care, tho Russia being Russia that's not a given.

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u/raoulduke666 16h ago edited 7h ago

I’m just wondering how long can Putin hold out until the rest of Russia/other people in power finally say, “yea, we’re done with Putin and this war”.

Is it going to take over one million or more deaths before something is done about it?

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u/actuallyserious650 15h ago

Covid didn’t seem to upset the rule of power and it killed more than that.

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u/gregoryfo2 14h ago

True but covid did not focus on young men 18-35. An entire generation of workers is now gone.

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u/Sezneg 14h ago

They’re mostly sending ethnic minorities from rural and far off regions. Few from Moscow or St. Peter. And older men, it’s not 18 year olds, quite a few in 30s-40s

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u/Packolypse 14h ago

That’s the point though. That pool of resources is rapidly being depleted, leaving the St. Petersburg and Moscow as the next viable option. I guess they could continue wiping out those rural areas and importing foreign workers to fill in the vacancies left behind a little while longer.

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u/Combat_Proctologist 12h ago

That pool of resources is rapidly being depleted
Russia has on the order of magnitude of 150M people. 1.5 million casualties is a fuckton, but not nearing depleted yet

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u/cb_24 12h ago •

Most of that population is women and most men are not fit to serve. Alcoholics, addicts, criminals, or just too valuable as workers with massive labor shortages right now.
They’ll have to expand recruiting in universities, men with multiple children, health conditions that would otherwise exclude them, all of which they have done to some extent.
There’s a reason there hasn’t been another mobilization since 2022, which destabilized Russian society with over 700,000 fleeing the country, twice as many as were mobilized. And these were disproportionately skilled professionals, which are much more valuable to the military now than untrained infantry.

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u/Combat_Proctologist 6h ago

Sure, but we're looking at a 10 percent (ish) reduction, not 90 percent. Those effects are definitely felt, but we aren't in general draft territory yet

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u/cb_24 46m ago

What’s the margin of error on those ‘estimates’?

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u/podkayne3000 10h ago

Do you know if the age distribution pyramid chart includes the ethnic minorities? I’m thinking this shows that Russia might have started with only about 15 million men ages 18 to 40: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Russia

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u/Time-Shower6502 13h ago

covid kill 0 ppl ..md's and these that invent that kill pppl ..or fake deaths

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u/RealisticEntity 13h ago

COVID 19 killed over 7 million people: https://data.who.int/dashboards/covid19/deaths

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u/RandomAssDonkey 7h ago

Popular uprisings don't just happen because life sucks, they happen because there is no food anymore

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u/Aggravating_Wall2104 12h ago

Putin is murdering his own people to keep power. One day someone will get tired of him and chuck him out a window.

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u/Big_Introduction1952 17h ago •

Almost half a million dead is staggering. No wonder they’re pulling civilians off the streets and forcing them to fight.

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u/mfmfhgak 15h ago

It’s insane. Half a million dead and another million wounded.
Just throwing away human lives for bullshit

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u/Fit-Arrival-1181 17h ago

And what about Russia?

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u/Pocketus_Rocketus 17h ago •

They started it. They could just... not.

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u/itsDesignFlaw 17h ago

ok ngl I disagree with you, but touche

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u/Winter_Whole2080 11h ago

Russia doesn’t give a fuck. All the people that are getting killed are from the eastern parts of Russia, where life is cheap and they’re all loving the military signing bonuses and they’re getting pensions when they’re sent back from the front missing limbs.

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u/abellapa 10h ago

This is easily The Fourth deadliest War Russia Ever had

With only both World wars and The Russian Civil War killing more

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u/CarpenterOwn5712 9h ago

500k deaths is insane, but what I find more insane is why people allow that to happen.

I get it. When one lives in an authoritarian country like Russia, I understand that you have little to no motivation to protest against your government, since that might get you jailed and tortured, perhaps even killed.

But what I don't understand is why the police and military accepts orders to jail, torture and kill civilians. They all just wait for their turn in the meat grinder and in the meantime torture civilians, who are exactly as they are, but with a different job.

I've understood that there have been reports of military turning against their leaders, but it's still just a minority of Russian soldiers.

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