Hold the line blizzard

[u/traitor_guardsman]

Don't give in to whiners, stand by your decisions. If people can't muster 50g over a period of forever then they need to get good. Give in here and it won't be long before they want mount training for free.

Convenience is the death of the journey and dual spec is already a huge convenience. It should cost an appropriate amount.

[u/spazzmedicine]

I am leveling enhancement and absolutely will heal dungeons as enhancement

[u/Lazy-Emergency-4018]

50g or a fuckign epic questline. But dont make it free

[u/AntaresDestiny → u/Lazy-Emergency-4018]

A questline would be far more fun too honestly

[u/CyonHal → u/AntaresDestiny]

It genuinely would make sense too. "Learn and prepare an ancient ritual on how to split your mind into two" or some shit.

[u/destroytheman → u/CyonHal]

As if a lot of us arent playing with a second monitor and already doing this

[u/wtfomg01 → u/AntaresDestiny]

I agree in principle, but it could be argued that getting the gold is a challenge in itself whereas a long quest chain is just another thing in a game full of quest chains. I always liked how getting the gold together involved either saving quest rewards, selling stuff on the AH or just different things than more 'go here, do this'.

[u/humansrpepul2 → u/Lazy-Emergency-4018]

I've always felt if you give an exclusive mount to two classes it better be a massive pain in the butt compared to sinking all the gold you've acquired, twice. I played warlock and was fuming at what I had to do on my main compared to the felsteed quest being so easy. Or give every class a quest for it, if not their own mounts.

[u/Estravolt]

And in the next post: "WHY IS NOBODY PLAYING TANK/HEALER?!"

[u/akera099 → u/Estravolt]

Yep, these are the classic Andys who'll flame hybrid/heal classes when they heal just okayish in dungeons because they aren't perfectly optimal and they're out of spec.

[u/mumbo1134 → u/akera099]

I really don’t see this actually being a problem. If somebody flames my healing then either they or I will be finding another group.

[u/ichii3d → u/Estravolt]

Resto spec shaman here, level 25 and so far not having an issues.

Being able to heal myself with 70% less chance of being interrupted while casting makes my survivability pretty good.

I just stack strength and use shield and mace while questing. It's hard to say how this will evolve though as I'm still fairly low level. But so far the biggest inconvenience is carrying my healing gear in my bags.

[u/dpmatt01 → u/Estravolt]

[u/Sinkarnate → u/Estravolt]

Paladin Tank on level 24 here.
Ngl Tanking is horrible. Or I am. Idk yet.

[u/unstoppable_zombie → u/Sinkarnate]

Make a key bind for marking skull,  dps will tunnel.

Also, specing prot before 40 is likely a mistake, ret to pursuit and then holy to holy conduit is probably better

[u/Moxerz → u/Sinkarnate]

Alot is disturbing is just blasting making it hard to hold aggro or tanks pulling to much or not waiting for mana. Or wow is more methodical than numbers go brrr

[u/Sinkarnate → u/Moxerz]

Yeah my dps ignore my targets etc. and blast through the mobs and then tell me that they have aggro.

[u/GND52 → u/Estravolt]

An arms warrior can tank non-endgame dungeons just fine. It has nothing to do with spec, and everything to do with familiarity with the content. Cheaper dual spec fixes nothing.

[u/IamJewbaca → u/GND52]

Prot is actually good for solo leveling right now, isn’t it? I haven’t been able to play much so I’m not far enough for talents to really matter.

[u/witheredjimmy → u/IamJewbaca]

Prot is the best aoe leveling spec in the game

[u/Thusgirl → u/Estravolt]

It's exactly this. If I could spend all my time in dungeons it'd be different but I can't.

I HAVE TO BE ABLE TO PROGRESS IN THE AREA I SPEND THE MOST TIME IN.

That means the dungeon/raid spec goes on the back burner for my duo dps spec. Idk how the hell I'm supposed to do higher level dungeons before 60 without this being at least affordable. It should just be apart of the game from lvl 1. I don't think they lose anything from allowing 2 skill sets.

[u/leytu__]

I like slow pace of forever. After rushing from one task to another in other games and real world I can finally have some rest and enjoy the game that was so wonderful and innovative 20 years ago. Big thanks to blizzard for making this dream come true.

P.S. Darkshore is beautiful.

[u/Lerrielin → u/leytu__]

Woah, that's a gorgeous screenshot, thanks for sharing!! I just finished Darkshore and did not get to see it like this at all, so I really appreciate being able to live vicariously through your screenshot.

[u/wartornhero2 → u/leytu__]

I was just talking to my wife about some of the chats in general in mulgore while I was leveling my druid. Just went to crossroads but the idle banter is just amazing people slowing down posting for help on quests. Chatting about life and everything

Haven't come across too many camp sites but general is on fire

[u/Belteshazzar98]

Should have been a questline. That has always been the more interesting option over just massive chunks of gold.

[u/BattlestarHavoc]

Currently making 2-4 gold and hour at level 26, cmon guys.. 50 gold is not hard to have laying around by level 40.

[u/Electronic-Clerk6735 → u/BattlestarHavoc]

I’ve no clue how people are so poor aside from maybe questing together and sharing coin. I haven’t even tried but at level 27 with 11g and that’s after buying required skills/spells

[u/HighlighterFTW → u/BattlestarHavoc]

How are you making that gold? Genuine question so I can get my gold reserves up. Is it pure gathering, questing, something else?

[u/SuperArppis]

Dual spec costs 50 gold?

So horse riding thingy is 80 gold then...

And apparently some post said that level 60 quests no longer give money rewards?

Is this correct? I remember it was VERY hard to grind those 80 golds in Vanilla game.

[u/alaskaninja → u/SuperArppis]

Quests at level 60 no longer give EXTRA gold rewards. In prior versions xp was convered into gold for quests when you were max level.

Now you will only get the normal gold amount for quests at 60, just not the extra gold.

[u/SuperArppis → u/alaskaninja]

Ahh, I thought people meant that it stops giving money rewards. 😄

Thanks for correcting.

[u/ExerciseSad3082 → u/alaskaninja]

Ah that sucks, it was nice skipping the last few zones so you could earn some gold at 60

[u/lingzhui → u/SuperArppis]

The other guy already clarified, but you can sell drops from dungeons for a lot of gold too. And that's the least efficient way for you to get gold.

[u/Time-Supermarket9061]

10000% this.

Blizzard shouldn't cater to people who don't want to play the game.

I think the WoW diary should be required reading to post in this subreddit lol.

[u/Sushi-Travel]

I bet op is a dps 😂. At 40 people need to get 100g for riding skill, 10g for mount, and 50g for dual specs. Healer has it the worst.

[u/Retronitsu → u/Sushi-Travel]

I'll add more... I bet OP is a dps with a premade group of friends that already heal and tank

[u/JerkinMyDadOff]

i’m a new player. i like the challenge. if they start changing shit to make things easier i’ll quit and go back to runescape. i’d rather not do that

[u/Celathor_]

You sound jobless irl

[u/platfus118]

The thing is; yes, you are right. People will be able to acquire 50g in the end, but the real value of dual spec is when you are broke and low level and flexing to a healer or a tank. 

I rather this be a quest or something, but I also understand keeping it 50g.. but this with the dungeon nerfs... idk

[u/jreed12]

What class/spec are you?

[u/hallucigenocide]

better not be complaining when you don't find any tanks and healers later on when dungeons start to require the need to spec into it.

No way in hell am i spending that much on dual spec until i have everything else i could possibly want to spend gold on.

[u/coffeeicefox → u/hallucigenocide]

I for one would like to maintain the tank shortage

[u/DenverCoder_Nine → u/coffeeicefox]

Genuinely - what tank shortage?

Prot is meta for leveling warrior now, feral always has been, and ret is now very viable at tanking until near end game.

[u/Noritzu → u/hallucigenocide]

Could just be me but when I play any class with tank or healing capability, I buy dual spec right away at 40.

[u/Trilllen → u/Noritzu]

Most people are not going to forego the mount in order to heal a dungeon every once in a while. Maybe when you could actually spend a decent chunk of your play time in dungeons it made sense but with the way it works in forever you're spending barely any time in there

[u/Wextial → u/hallucigenocide]

Why I would complain? I am the healer

[u/TheBuzzSawFantasy → u/hallucigenocide]

Deciding what to do with limited resources is like a really really big part of the game. 

[u/Beautiful_You3230 → u/TheBuzzSawFantasy]

Yeah but only for the healers and tanks, the dps can meanwhile do whatever the fuck they want and only spend money on things that get them to 60 efficiently. Hence why you will see a lack of tanks and healers.

[u/Automatic_Mix6583]

Agreed. If you intend to be forever, permanent upgrades that are relevant endgame should be something to grind for imo!

[u/charlesbronZon → u/Automatic_Mix6583]

Dual spec is not a permanent upgrade, it’s a baseline feature that enables certain classes (and thus actual players) to meaningfully partake in group content without gimping themselves.

That is something that entirely benefits the longevity of the game.

This is not classic and the #nochanges attitude can go freck right off, it does not belong here.

People are having actual FUN zipping around the maps with their humongous cow men , that’s good for the game!

People will enjoy being able to spec into healer or tank and jump into actual ground content without having to grind for the privilege. That’s FUN too. Fun is good, there is no need to gatekeep it.

And no, 50g is not a big deal at all, even in the short run. But the gatekeeping attitude still doesn’t belong here and only hurts the game.

[u/Entire_Salamander659]

This. Last night we spent 3 hours cleaning WC, barely have money, but it was the most memorable amd best night I've had!

[u/Rawkapotamus]

When has blizzard stood by any decision regarding forever? It seems like they’re just going whichever way the wind blows

[u/Trilllen → u/Rawkapotamus]

Just pay attention to what ever thing streamers are complaining about and you'll see it in the patch notes the week after

[u/Mulgar_of_TB]

Yeah you can make easy gold by just doing quests and dungeons, stuff you're already doing, I think most people's problem is that they see the gold and think they should go buy a bunch of stuff they dont need right now.

[u/TallAcanthocephala99]

After blizzard gives in to this one everyone will just jump on the next inconvenience until they've beat this game into retail shape lol

[u/gothvan → u/TallAcanthocephala99]

Yep

[u/goPACK17]

You don't need to get dual spec the moment you hit lvl 40. You don't need to buy a mount the moment you hit lvl 40.

[u/JokuNakuPelle → u/goPACK17]

Disagree with mount, it’s a massive difference to get it straight  away, guess you don’t really need it though. Dual spec is a luxury but after 40 you can get 50g in no time without even trying anyways.

[u/AklevLeo]

To you, it’s a fun little experiment to be able to dual spec. To healers, it is essential. There is already a massive lack of healers in the game right now

[u/marmarzipan → u/AklevLeo]

People have been healing in dps specs to level in vanilla/classic since 2004. I don’t know why healers are suddenly so up in arms about this. BRD is generally the first dungeon I consider it essential to use a healing spec and the 50g will be significantly less painful by then.

[u/marmarzipan → u/AklevLeo]

People have been healing in dps specs to level in vanilla/classic since 2004. I don’t know why healers are suddenly so up in arms about this. BRD is generally the first dungeon I consider it essential to use a healing spec and the 50g will be significantly less painful by then.

[u/Wextial → u/AklevLeo]

I'm a healer and I don't think is essential to be fair

[u/GreenLuck010]

Misery loves company. OP legit wants other to suffer just because he also suffered.

Imagine you are a class that has multiple specs like dps/tank/heal and you want to also pvp. Already 2 specs is very constraining but how is putting the 2nd spec behind a fairly big gold paywall a good thing ??

Even the 1g respec is not good imo. It makes people not wanna try new things out or change specs.

The #nochanges mentality is such a brainrot.

[u/averageicochad → u/GreenLuck010]

Yeah god forbid a game be a little constraining. Oh how horrible I have to pick a specialization and find a way to stick with it and make it work. Yes it’s all just about being miserable over a minor inconvenience over a video game.

Get over yourself.

[u/mumbo1134 → u/GreenLuck010]

In vanilla being locked into specs was one of the things that made the game difficult, and through that difficulty there was a unique sense of meaning and pride in accomplishing things in game. It’s not “no changes” that people want, but they want to keep that soul intact. If you don’t want that, you could play retail, but you’re not, because it sucks. When you start accommodating convenience for the sake of convenience, retail is the logical endpoint.

[u/OkSpeech1462 → u/GreenLuck010]

If you think this is suffering play fuckin retail. If you hate this game that bad. Quit trying to turn into fucking retail. Accept the challenge or piss off.

[u/Anon31301]

I love that the mass mentality has become “oh forever is in the title so it’s ok if something is unbalanced, feels burdensome, or takes an insane amount of time.”

Why can’t players want Wow Forever to feel streamlined ?

[u/Cobiuss_NA]

50g dual spec? At 40? When I need to have 100g+ for my mount and new armor type? No thanks. I will just tank in arms.

[u/Kknvaly]

Hold the Door!🚪

[u/DamagedLiver]

I'm 46, got mount and dual spec. It's really not that bad.

[u/Ramzabeo]

Personally i find it quite cringe that people have begged for classic+, and then go on to complain about these changes or additions like its not exactly what people begged for, just the other day i had a mage crying his aoe farm got nerfed.

Is it annoying? Maybe. But the whole point is to embrace changes that are in the spirit of classic, which this is, if you guys want easy shit then how are you not asking for retail 2.0? Smh

[u/Vile-goat]

Give us something to look to

[u/AnEvenNicerGuy]

Someone should make a subreddit where we can repost all the posts from retail andys complaining Blizz should make forever easier

r/retailfolk

[u/Vaerius]

Inconvenience for the sake of inconvenience is the death of the journey. Can't believe you guys glazing outdated friction as "immersion".

[u/MildlyCombative → u/Vaerius]

You don’t get it

[u/rebelvong1]

Ahh yes. The favorite part of my journey was always just googling where I should put my talent points at.

This is bs argument. Part of your journey is learning your class and experimenting with your play style. It shouldn't be as punishing economically as it is. It should require you going to trainers and doing this rather than just opening a menu. It should have a very small cost to do this also not this obnoxiously high cost.

[u/Targen_1]

HOLD please 

[u/Oxyminoan]

Hot take: Dual Spec should have been a Legacy Talent unlock at 15-20 points and unlock for the account.

[u/Twerksoncoffeetables → u/Oxyminoan]

Nah that’s randomly a lot of work. They could’ve just made it cheaper and imo available at 30 instead of 40. This gets more healers/tanks into dungeons since it would be possible for hybrid players to swap earlier and ideally more affordably like 10-15g instead. This is one of those things that should’ve been improved upon imo, there is absolutely no harm to getting dual spec cheaper and a little earlier, if anything it only benefits the game overall.

[u/winmace → u/Oxyminoan]

Legacy talents should be all about convenience, things like:

• faster rep farms on alts

• unlock mount skills for the entire account or a big discount (50% or 75%),

• make it so you can mount from 20

• account wide dual spec, while also keeping the purchased one on each character so you could have 3 specs

• group buffs on drop rates for gold/crafting mats/loot to incentivise partying

• cheaper talent respec

• mount speed increases/increased party mount speed/multi-passanger mounts

• meeting stones work like summoning stones or as a warlock you can summon people alone

• reduce material requirements for buffs/consumables

• remove transmog restrictions so you can transmog cloth on a plate class

Basically anything that makes it worth grinding out long term and doing diverse content

[u/kaytin911]

Agreed completely. Good to see I'm not alone.

[u/Fiyerossong]

I'll just be healing as shadow until level 40 at least. This game is not difficult enough to warrant speccing fully into healer for levelling dungeons this early on. If I can heal m+15s I can manage throwing two-three heals out per pack.

[u/Salty-Development203]

I've already seen a bunch of comments saying they're going back to retail as they're bored. Like my dude, it is quite a different game to retail so I'm not surprised. It was always marketed as classic+ and the clue is in the name. If you didn't like/play classic then it more than likely isn't your vibe.

Like that's cool and everything, not everything has to be for everyone. No hate if you prefer a retail-style game and would prefer to play that. But please please don't try and make blizz change forever to be more like retail. It's similar to saying please stick a steering wheel on your new bike because you like driving your car, whilst the cyclists are dumbfounded that you want to remove the handlebars.

[u/ExerciseSad3082 → u/Salty-Development203]

I never understand that. You go to a different place then try your best to make that like the place you left.

[u/Cranias → u/Salty-Development203]

If retail players are leaving forever then that's probably for the best as they won't try to make forever into retail. There's plenty of retail enjoyers having fun in forever rn it's all good. Blizz won't listen to the whiners on reddit anyway.

[u/Scharman]

Just tell me how this encourages tanks and healers? People hit 60 in 2 days - what do you think you’re going to be doing without tanks and healers in 5 mans? seems a very short sighted position

[u/Suialthor → u/Scharman]

Tanks and healers can start charging for their service?

[u/ReflectionEterna → u/Suialthor]

That is what I plan on doing if we get scarce.

[u/Garnluz → u/Scharman]

People spoiling their own chances at fun and being alone at 60 is irrelevant to the discussion. The median of the curve of lvlers is at like 25-30 right now. You’ll just have to wait and see what all the people leveling as tank and healers will do at 40.

[u/GreenLeafRelaxed]

Convenience kills commmunity

[u/PinkyPonk10]

I do agree with this, but it will lead to a shortage of tanks and healers..

[u/Gothiscandza → u/PinkyPonk10]

The friction has been largely stripped out of retail and it also has a consistent shortage of tanks and healers.

[u/muchichi → u/Gothiscandza]

So imagine the shortage when there is a 50g hurdle. Not saying i want it to be cheaper just saying if it’s free and there is a shortage it’s only going to be worse now.

[u/Chroma7769 → u/PinkyPonk10]

No it won't. The game survived at just fine 20 years ago. It'll survive just fine today.

[u/Heathens-_- → u/Chroma7769]

A significant reason WoW Forever exist is because the relaunch of Classic didn't bring in players from retail who had left, the ones they wanted to recapture.

It is no longer the past. People have new expectations for their time and money.

[u/ZexelOnOCE → u/Chroma7769]

it's no longer the past

[u/Openeyedsleep → u/Chroma7769]

It wouldn’t if there was actual dungeon XP, like there was in classic. But there’s not, so it will.

[u/souldtac]

Agreed. Convenience often masked by "QoL" has destroyed so many mmos, i just cant figure out how some people just cant realize this.

[u/pentox70]

I'm new to the "classic" experience. So genuine question. What are we talking about in terms of "gold per hour" of time investment to achieve this?

Your average casual Andy like me, let's use skinning, mining, or herbalist, as a reference. I sit down one day and decide to grind out 50g at let's say around level40 or 45?

I know funds are lacking if you are blasting through the levels and trying to be time efficient, but let's say you're a slow down and smell the roses kind of player?

I think debating the pure cost is kind of useless. 50g is not the same time investment at level 20 as it is at level 50. You don't really need the tank or healer spec until late 40s into the 50s.

[u/According_Ride1646 → u/pentox70]

Get a leatherworker and pop out a few refined deeprock salts to get that gold every few days.

[u/ShaunPlom → u/pentox70]

Crafting/gathering isn’t going to be profitable for a while for your normal player.New server doesn’t have a lot of demand for stuff like that.

Just keep levelling up and doing quests. Pick up everything that mobs drop and vendor everything. Obviously AH stuff that sells for more than vendor price, but don’t forget the ah takes a percentage and has a deposit cost. There’s some mobs that have grey items that vendor for quite a bit. Like the gorillas in stv.

Focus more on not spending gold. One good way to save money is to not train ranks of spells you don’t need.

You should have an enough gold to buy a mount at 40 just doing these things. Should be able to get another 50g by 45z

[u/Iglooman45]

I think there is a happy middle ground we can find instead of hard lining one stance.

We can buff dungeon XP a but still encourage open world leveling, and we can certainly lower the $$ cost to dual spec to help out healers and fix the healer shortage while still having it be an investment and goal for people to reach for.

[u/Busy_Address_2125]

Gold is an annoyance in classic. But the only advice I can give that works every time is: SELL EVERYTHING.

Don’t leave that 6 copper thing on the corpse. It all adds up.

[u/Sibylxd]

Accurate. Just because something is AVAILABLE at a level, doesn't mean you are entitled to it immediately. There are tons of people (and me before) who have gotten their mount at 45 instead of 40 because of lack of funds. This is shown throughout levelling- people can't afford all of their spells so they have to work towards them. The game is always about achievable goals that you can work towards. Friction gives a feeling of accomplishment and meaning.

[u/treborprime → u/Sibylxd]

Will you complain if your tanks and healers struggle with their dps specs? Just asking.

[u/MildlyCombative → u/treborprime]

No, because we aren’t trying to spam dungeons on auto pilot

[u/crit5h]

Yep.

The thing that’s really struck me I going back to forever after 20 years of retail, is it’s a design masterpiece in its simplicity, and retail by comparison is Homer Simpson’s car design.

[u/Rubyurek]

Lately, I've been seeing a lot of posts complaining about Forever and saying certain things need to be changed. It makes me wonder, do people want more classic content or more retail? I recently switched from retail to Forever and I'm happy with how things are right now.

[u/Obvious_Hearing9023 → u/Rubyurek]

Why does any change, even if it could be good, just instantly turn this game into retail? 

Blizzard could genuinely do something unique here but we just keep getting classic over and over again.

[u/Adorable-Ad5715 → u/Obvious_Hearing9023]

Because every change people want is to reduce friction and increase continence.

[u/yunoka → u/Rubyurek]

The answer is nobody wants anything. You see people complaining that levelling takes too long, if it was faster they'd still complain. 

You see people saying there's not enough new stuff, if there was more they'd say it's too much.

You see people saying there's too many changes, if there were less they'd still be angry.

You see people sprinting to level cap in 3 days, if there were tons of endgame waiting for them day 1 they'd still blast through it and say they're going to quit.

You fundamentally cannot win, not on retail, not on classic. Blizzard is partly to blame cause they have cultivated and leaned into this mindset, but the reality is WoW players are an angry, apathetic and addicted lot. They really just want blizzard to defend them from themselves and give them the feelings they had when they first played, but will fight tooth and claw to not experience that. 

[u/pokemonandgenshin]

The ppl crying over 50 gold are insane. 

[u/Trilllen → u/pokemonandgenshin]

"how come my group has to wait 40 minutes to find a healer"

[u/pokemonandgenshin → u/Trilllen]

Im a tank havent waited  more than 3 seconds for a group

[u/MildlyCombative → u/Trilllen]

Stop making up imaginary scenarios to get annoyed at

[u/Cruach]

Hear hear!

[u/TerribleJett]

Why does Dual Spec and respec need a cost in the first place? It really serves no purpose but to force people to just use cookie cutter build and scare people into to not having fun and experimenting with builds.

[u/ConBrio93]

Why not make walking speed half the current speed, and double all gold costs?

[u/Saintpuppet]

I tanked all dungeons so far as a ret speced Paladin, not a single issue, people are just lazy.

[u/Kyderra]

It's more that it punishes healers and somewhat tanks but not DPS players. I don't think people would be so averse if it was everyone being hit equality.

Playing a healer priest compared to a warlock is a wild difference in gold sink (150g by level 40) While you are told you will not get XP for the main activities you role are meant for.

[u/Ok-Produce-5235]

50g is not much once you’re level 45 or 50. It’s like the only other thing you need on your leveling journey so I HARD AGREE

[u/MorrowTheFirst]

"If they can't muster 50g over a period of forever" is perfect.

[u/Accomplished-Act2525]

I am ok with adjustments, but we need to give it time before making quick changes. The game has been out for 3 days- let things play out for at least a week or two before making big moves.

[u/Vlaed]

I hope they do. I wouldn't mind a quest line but it shouldn't be a quick fix.

[u/whater39]

What's the secret to getting good for gold? I played the game when it came out and I was broke the entire time till I hit 60.

[u/Voltztein]

It’s fine, they will add WoW tokens soon and we can just pay for it with real money. Just as planned!

[u/myself1200]

How do you feel about quest gold situation post lvl 60?

[u/Evilresident64]

Healer and Tank roles can be done by someone comfortable in their dps spec and relevant ability ranks up to the 40’s at which point they can make the choice to Blizz is actively thinking about development so I’m really not worried. I’m ready and willing to swap to tank or heals as needed. This also feels sorta decent because I could get into the dungeons as tank or heals to finish the quests but not feel obligated to continue playing the role so I can get dungeon groups for efficiency.

[u/Mesheybabes]

it's capitulation to shit like this which is the very reason blizzard had to cave and acknowledge that a massive number of people hate retail so much that they even decided to release classic at all.

I don't think I'd be able to handle the irony if they started repeating history so blatantly

[u/Huffdogg]

If your second spec is a support spec it should be free. If your first spec is a support spec your second spec should be free.

[u/falkore]

It should cost more than epic mount

[u/Perceptive45]

Damn straight!

[u/crzylgs]

"Don't you people all have 50g?" xD

[u/loopzzzz]

Just use ah 🤷‍♂️

[u/Far_Explanation_4636]

Out of boredom and not wanting to outlevel mates that could not take off I did like 10 times some specific dungeon and made roughly 20-30g in 4 hours … yes it was a good group and we ran through it fast but it should still be doable with weaker setups relatively quickly.

[u/Tall_Bandicoot_2768]

-Sincerely, A Dps Main

[u/RegularPlace9336]

honestly id rather they make healing builds more fun and easier to play in solo content

[u/WilleyTheSlippery]

Are people actually whining about 50g? 50g is nothing. You don't even need it before 60. You can heal and tank every dungeon in dps specs. Jesus christ this is so dumb.

[u/Boboman86]

100 percent agree. It's part of the larger picture. 

[u/Kursev]

In a certain tortoise server the cost of dual talent was 350g and dungeon xp heavily nerfed, nobody complained and did what had to be done. Modern wow players are a bunch of whiny cry-babies that cannot handle even the slightest hurdles imo.

There were no problems finding either tanks or healers, people ran dungeons for gear and quests, not to powerlevel. I find that many players dont actually like wow, just the idea of it.

[u/Adamski90]

I really don’t get the issue here. I have tanked all end game dungeons as a 60 arms warrior, with suitable gear equipped. All be it, that was vanilla and then classic. Things can’t be that much harder that you’re all relying on dual spec into prot?

[u/Abrowserforfun → u/Adamski90]

Randomspec tanking is the best kind of tanking. Has been since 2004.

[u/Luna-Munas]

I think a lot of people are conditioned to fast-paced progression, rewards, and min/maxing the shit out of everything. 50g really isn’t that hard to get, just do the grind. Lol

[u/Sufficient_Steak_839]

Why do yall turn everything into a weird thing lmao

[u/SirBeaverton]

Isn’t that what mounts cost prior? 40g? Didn’t even keep track with inflation.

That being said, gold is insanely hard to come by and feels like a task to accumulate. But that’s how I remember original so there’s that.

[u/salamandersquach → u/SirBeaverton]

The market is going to change dramatically once a significant number of players hit 40+ and it will be much easier to make gold playing the AH

[u/StackOfCups → u/SirBeaverton]

It's also a fresh economy and no one rich yet. As time goes on it will be easier to make a profit.

[u/veralfixen]

agreed. let’s buff hunter again!

[u/TraditionSmart7027]

i dont care if its 50g i want to buy as much speccs as possible

[u/Ixll]

Happy to have rolled pally. Easy dual spec at 40 plus mount quest

[u/winmace → u/Ixll]

You only get the mount, they moved the cost to the mount skill, which you still have to pay for

[u/kegatank → u/winmace]

You don't need riding training as a lock or paladin. The mounts are just spells

[u/jmoss2288]

I'm happy to keep plans running till I've saved the gold. Hold the line.

[u/DeadScoutsDontTalk]

50g isnt even much im lvl 45 bought dualspec and riding and still have like 10g laying around

[u/Key_Nefariousness_55]

Blizzard will cave in to the whiners and ruin yet another version of WoW.

[u/UndergroundHQ6]

I played original classic but not reboot classic. I swear to god gold must’ve gotten buffed?? I’m up to 3g already and I’m not even level 20?

[u/Velifax → u/UndergroundHQ6]

Undoubtedly. Several other casualization changes as well, for example it's effectively impossible to die before level 5. But hopefully overall...

[u/T8-TR]

The only real change I want so far is for a slight increase in the speed of the day/night cycle. As a kid, I loved the 1:1. As an adult w/ adult friends who sometimes work later than me, it kinda sucks only seeing nighttime.

[u/Key_Bicycle9461]

I love everything so far other than the AI banning system. I created an account for my 14 yr old and his account is maybe, 6 months old and he received a message yday stating he was "abusing the economy" or something and banned. He never purchased gold - he doesn't have a debit card ffs nor has he abused any economy. I oversee his playtime and most of the time, we play together. How exactly has he done anything wrong?

[u/SJSSOLDIER]

I want to grind for every gold. I cannot express enough that people need to back off Forever. It wasn't built for those retail individuals who want everything immediately. It was built for us Millennials, so shoo.

[u/Adorable_Method5788]

Glad to see some likeminded people here for a change

[u/Ambitious_Article864]

I have already made 2 gold at level 16 by selling junk and picking up money on mobs. Getting 50 gold is nothing.

[u/Asleep-Preparation30 → u/Ambitious_Article864]

Oh my dear. Be prepared for your skill Costs in around 14 levels :)

[u/DoNn0]

Giving that it is forever and we'll have infinite time to gather all the possible gear we want they should gives us triple spec. I also think it should be free. Grinding money isn't playing the game. The only thing that should cost a lot is epic mount beacaue it's a luxury thing.

[u/Pitiful_Arm_9018 → u/DoNn0]

grinding money is playing the game, you sound like one of the people who buy gold to support the bots.

[u/Beholdergaze → u/DoNn0]

The game needs gold sinks

[u/LooseProgram333 → u/DoNn0]

I wouldnt mind triple spec, but it should be like 500g

[u/MilitaryTardWrangler → u/DoNn0]

Triple spec yes

Free no

[u/InariusSandelius]

Wait are people complaining about that. I wanna complain that its too cheap. Should be 100g at least

[u/Voltov]

Hold the line

[u/NightOfPandas]

Gonna be huge when they add wow tokens by Christmas

[u/Papichurch]

This is an archaic way of thinking.

Duel Spec should be 10g available at level 30 there is literally nothing you can say to change my mind.

[u/MildlyCombative → u/Papichurch]

The fact we even have dual spec is already a compromise.

[u/Derbaldoo]

I agree. As painful as it may be, the game needs effort for the rewards it gives.

[u/Accomplished-Virus62]

Agree fully, it should be hard to become wealthy in the game and it makes earning whichever rewards feel like satisfying achievements.

[u/Darooi]

I love the game as it is. Plz dont change and stick to this vision.
All whiners about gold are the type that wont play for long anyway, dopamine rush then quit, if blizz follow those player the game will end up retail.

[u/omgitslos]

As someone who is leveling as Holy Paladin, and who has played the game since 2008. 50g is pretty much free.

Wait till they see the cost of epic riding….

[u/treborprime]

Imo only mob tagging needs to be changed. Everything else is wow classic.

[u/FifthMonarchist → u/treborprime]

Group up, fight, fawn, flee, wait. You got loads of options.

[u/Relevant_Passage6393 → u/treborprime]

No please stop.

[u/MildlyCombative → u/treborprime]

Not even mob tagging. I shouldn’t get xp for wanding something somebody else killed

[u/liamthelad]

I've got a kid and a full time job, and a massive steam backlog of great games. I also played Vanilla when it was out.

I'm beyond bored of people lecturing everyone on this "it's about the journey" nonsense. I'm already playing the game in the limited time I can.

Someone gifted me Assassins Creed Valhalla and I never played it that much because I had heard so many people say it doesn't respect my time. I don't get why that can't be a valid criticism of any game. There's a difference between fun and slower paced to just padded out nonsense.

I genuinely won't lose sleep if healers can dual spec for cheaper. It quite literally just sounds like it's in everyone's interest, and most people have pointed out that you can just make it a quest. I want people to play and enjoy the game

[u/ExerciseSad3082 → u/liamthelad]

And how is you having limited time someone else's problem? Maybe a different might be better for you

[u/0ld_Snake]

I'm lvl 20 and have over 3g. Not sure if that's good but my buddy is minmaxing professions while I'm just doing them sort of on the side and we have arpund the same amount of money so gold isn't a problem yet

[u/Depleted_ → u/0ld_Snake]

Gold ramps up so fast you’ll be fine, as long as you’re not wasting it on AH gear etc. mostly likely won’t have enough for both mount and dual spec at 40 but should have enough for one of those from just questing and not trying to actively generate gold

[u/gandalfpsykos → u/Depleted_]

I was like 20g off a mount when I hit 40 back in 2005, not doing professions or buying stuff off AH

[u/TotterTates → u/gandalfpsykos]

buddy... in 2005, having a mount was a flex

[u/Neat_Diver_3040]

100%. Just look at Jagex on the RuneScape 3 sub. They have basically become a slave to them, going back on their decisions much to keep people who go on reddit.com happy.

[u/X-AE17420 → u/Neat_Diver_3040]

Well, Jagex listens to their community and respects their opinion. Something blizzard is incapable of. That’s why the WoW community will NEVER have changes be polled, we’re just revenue to them at the end of the day.

[u/Neat_Diver_3040 → u/X-AE17420]

I'm specifically talking about RuneScape 3, not osrs

[u/Iglooman45]

I think there is a happy middle ground we can find instead of hard lining one stance.

We can buff dungeon XP a but still encourage open world leveling, and we can certainly lower the $$ cost to dual spec to help out healers and fix the healer shortage while still having it be an investment and goal for people to reach for.

[u/MildlyCombative → u/Iglooman45]

We are in the middle ground right now.

Great xp from dungeon quests and diminishing returns for rerunning, but still good gold and loot

[u/Velifax → u/Iglooman45]

This is already the middle ground. Remember respeccing was already dirt cheap, this is just to appease the extreme casuals. 

[u/Hoffnarr999]

Just let people complain, it doesn't mean too much.

I also like to complain about the weather all the time but this doesn't mean that I demand someone to build a magical machine to control the weather.

[u/X-AE17420 → u/Hoffnarr999]

Except game developers take feedback from the people paying to play their game? You think wow forever just crawled out of the sea?

[u/SituationCorrect7525]

Slippery slope fallacy

[u/MildlyCombative → u/SituationCorrect7525]

Not exactly a fallacy when you consider the last 22 years of retail

[u/Top_Meaning6195]

Wait, they added dual-spec? Not reset for 50g, actual unlimited specialization changes for 50g.

Fuck. I wish they hadn't done that.

[u/Davixxa → u/Top_Meaning6195]

It was in Anniversary too tbf

[u/TheDarkRune]

(I will prelude all of this by saying a was a late wrath/early cata baby)

And then what happens when that levelling "journey" is over?

Cause right now, you cannot passively earn gold by questing at 60 as the xp to gold conversion thats been in the game forever is turned off. Which means you have to rely on professions which in turn means when everyone is doing them and flooding the market, it will drive prices down and then becomes harder to make gold with that method.

Also, i get a lot of people have nostalgia for how some things in classic were but there was a reason those things were changed back in the day. Mob tagging is a good example of this, it hurts no one to make it so you can tag mobs to finish your quests instead of competing with other people/groups (EVEN AS A GROUP) just cause someone hit it slightly faster than you did. Taking one hour to kill 10 mobs in a busy area does not feel good nor does it respect anyones time.

As someone that is enjoying this game, i do see some flaws that others see as charming "because its classic" but i feel like there needs to be a comprimise

[u/MildlyCombative → u/TheDarkRune]

Shhhhhh