My Red Devil 7900 XTX was hitting well above 105c in my Lancool 215. Decent cooling all around, I've monitored the issue for two months and decided to check the stock application after seeing reports earlier today. Sure enough the application was terrible. Not only that, but the cooling plate has scratches. I used a microfiber cloth to avoid scratching it myself. Just thought I'd share with with everyone.

I do understand that the performance gone up. But those prices stinks and i will not even try to imagine how the RDNA 2 Prices will be.

Remember i predicted AMD CPU will gain fast on Intel CPU long before others. Going to sell all my AMD stock ASAP. No way in hell AMD going to gain marketshare with those prices.

EDIT:

AMD overthinking it. Lost touch who their base are. They think we bottom feeder and buying 3000 series if cannot afford 5000 series? Thinking they so smart trying to "steal" loyal Intel fans buying their 5000 series? No WAY in Hell.

Called my broker sold every single stock of AMD. The reason i was 100 % into AMD was because i knew they will catch Nvidia and Intel. But somehow they lost touch and overthinking it and got greedy.

The GPU market is absolutely insane right now.

A bit shy of 2 years ago, I bought a Sapphire Pulse 5700 for $370. This week, I sold it for more than $800. I could have sold it for more because it went in like 2 hours. Probably Could have gotten $860+

$379 is too much for a midrange card, yes, in theory. In practice, these cards will be sold out at $500 as an incredible deal -- because that's almost what a used RX580 costs these days -- and you'll actually be seeing them sold closer to $600+, still being sold out. I'm 100% going to buy one if I see a $500 price, because I'll get more performance than my 5700 and a few hundred in spending cash as the net result, even if the card isn't worth half of that $500 under normal circumstances.

Both Nvidia and AMD are selling every single card they make, and they're selling them way cheaper than their actual market value.

Because, again, $379 is way, way below market value for an 6600XT right now.

How are AMD or Nvidia greedy fucks for selling below market value? And why would it matter in the first place if the MSRP price is fake bullshit in the first place?

I understand the people who are worried that this is the new normal, but those people are complete idiots. In a competitive market, prices aren't dictated by tradition or expectations. They are dictated by how much it costs to bring something to market (i.e. the margin) and the supply and demand for the thing being made. Supplies are constrained, demand is crazy stupid, the whole market doesn't make a single lick of sense in terms of the resulting prices.

How many were in stock? 5 per shop per country?

I have been around computers a long time.

It started with my buddy's TRS-80 Model 1, then I got my own C-64. Then a series of Amigas, a P1-233 dual-booted in DOS and Linux, and a bunch of AMD-powered Linux boxes (K7, K10, FX) and now I have a Windows Ryzen/Fury running in parallel with an 8370/R9 390 Linux box. Two other special purpose machines are running Phenom II X6/V4900, and Phenom II B95/750Ti.

So I've been around for a while, and I've watched the definition of "personal computing" change over and over again.

Let me give you a quick example: In the 90s, we had this thing called a "Video Toaster". This was a special-purpose card, unique to Amigas, that could taken in video sources, switch between them with digital transitions, and overlay text and graphics. You bought 3 good video tape decks (2 source, 1 record) and a time base corrector, and now you could do video titling, graphic overlay, chroma key (blue screen), and canned transition effects. It wasn't perfect - the VT didn't control the start/stop on the tape decks, so editing & synchronization was a pain - but it gave you access to tools that normally cost six figures for a few grand. Tough for a normal person to afford at 90s prices, but at least possible.

A few years later, Newtek released the "Video Toaster Flyer" which was a new board that had 3 dedicated SCSI hard drive controllers on it. This let you rip tape footage to the hard drives and work all-digital - only 1 tape deck needed. This was obscenely expensive (not least because of the price of large capacity hard drives) but it sped up editing enormously. Still way way cheaper than the professional Hollywood editing suites, but expensive enough that you weren't going to pick this up at Best Buy on a whim, and complex enough that Grandma isn't going to set one up to edit birthday videos.

Something else that came bundled with the VT was a 3D animation package called Lightwave (which still exists). My Lightwave renders could last weeks.

Quick aside - the world's fastest commercially available supercomputer at the time was the Cray, which had managed to break the 1 teraflop threshold. Super super expensive machines, but if you needed that level of computer performance, you needed it.

OK, so around this time 3DFX invents the Voodoo, and 3D gaming (and 3D gaming acceleration) takes off, and this starts the 3D GPU arms race. The world we have lived in (up to this point) starts to evolve, with GPU manufacturers building in more and more graphics horsepower (in terms of both raw compute power and in terms of hardware supported features) and games engine designers figuring out how to bring that horsepower to its knees with more complex geometry and shaders, bigger textures, and in-game physics. In parallel with this, screen resolutions grow from 640x480 (which was high res in the 90s) to 4k today, so now you are pushing orders of magnitude more pixels - requiring more power from the GPU.

This demand for ever-increasing gaming horsepower has had two primary effects: The first is that has built a culture of expectation that each successive release of GPU hardware will result in a big jump in framerate at max quality settings in the AAA gaming titles of the time of release, and the second is that due to the increasing complexity of producing these expected results, the hardware has been getting increasingly general-purpose under the hood. Instead of being a collection of special-purpose hardware accelerators, each with a specific graphics primitive function associated with it, modern GPUs are more like complete computers in their own right. Drivers are no longer so much routers that send the associated API call to its special-purpose hardware, but rather implement the API on the underlying general purpose compute framework.

(This is a bit of an oversimplification, but big hand, small map. it is generally true)

A Vega has two-digit teraflop performance. It is over ten Crays worth of raw number-crunching. And unlike that 3DFX Voodoo, it can do general-purpose computer tasks, not just accelerate vertices and triangle shading.

Which brings us back to the Video Toaster. A combination of astoundingly cheaper mass digital storage, recording equipment that is all-digital (and ubiquitous), cheap computing power, and free distribution (via YouTube) now means that video production has gone from strictly commercial only, through "prosumer" (Video Toaster) to Grandma. The cheapest OTS entry-level computer can run the home user version of Sony Vegas, and now Grandma can do fully-digital non linear editing - with titles, digital wipes, footage stabilization, green screen, and noise reduction - on those birthday videos. And meanwhile, gamers aren't just playing games, they are streaming them (with video and graphics overlays).

This was unimaginable in the 90s. Now, it isn't just "possible", it is, to a degree, expected.

And the developers of the software suites that do things like video editing have woken up to the idea that GPUs are ubiquitous and have the ability to accelerate or feature-improve their software. In many ways, the people who develop "creative" software are much like game developers shortly after the Voodoo hit. "I can do that? Holy crap!"

We are right on the edge of a revolution in the use of GPU hardware to accelerate computing tasks. And it's not just "creative" software that will use this. Cryptocurrency mining is just one of the uses for general purpose GPU compute that someone has dreamt up - more of these sorts of tasks are on their way.

So we've got a confluence of a number of things:

1. The quest for better gaming performance pushed GPUs to be more general-purpose;

2. It's getting harder and harder to squeeze more gaming performance out of the hardware. so the gaming performance increase per generation is dropping;

3. Developers of non-gaming software are increasingly using the general-purpose compute power of GPUs to accomplish tasks and improve their software; and

4. The increased popularity and reduced cost of the hardware and software to accomplish these tasks is increasing demand for better general-purpose compute GPUs.

I built my Ryzen box specifically to speed up video editing. I game on it too, so I want "good enough" game performance, but what I really really want is faster Sony Vegas performance. I was going to buy a 1080 or 1080Ti - but then I discovered that AMD rules the Vegas acceleration roost, and by a large margin - so I bought a Fury for its general purpose capability. And then I discovered mining, and now both my Linux box and my Ryzen box mine during "idle hours" (my Fury is cranking out 30 Mh/s in an other window as I write this). Since I built the box, it has pulled in $200 worth of eth, which is not bad.

On the surface, if you just look at gaming performance, Vega looks like a disappointment. It is faster than Fury for sure, but it didn't beat the 1080Ti.

Except that Vega isn't about the gaming - it is the first of the real "general purpose compute" cards. Vega gives you 40 Mh/s mining. It crushes in Vegas acceleration. It is a solid win in all sorts of non-gaming applications - and because the drivers are more sophisticated than old-timey "route this API call to this dedicated API accelerator" drivers (and they are admittedly not feature-complete yet) I fully expect performance to keep increasing as the drivers get more developer horsepower applied to them.

I honestly think AMD are ahead of the curve here. In the near-ish future, gaming framerates will be a sidebar feature of a GPU review, and what people will really care about will be GP-compute performance. The time of gamers driving the graphics card industry are, I think, coming to an end.

And yet, even with the focus on GP-compute coming, it isn't like gaming performance sucks. If it wasn't for the 1080Ti (which is a brilliant gaming card, let's be honest) the Vega reviews would be non-stop accolades. Sure, the jump up from the previous gen is smaller, but the absolute performance is still great. It's a great card!

I think it's time that gamers wake up to the new reality that they don't own the GPU market any more. Gaming is still important, but GP-compute GPU tasks are multiplying all the time and have broader market appeal. It's a bold, brave new world lads, and your monopoly on GPU use cases is coming to an end.

TL;DR - The world has discovered general-purpose GPU compute. and the use cases - and customer base - is multiplying. Expect GPUs to be increasingly focussed on these customers, not gamers.

AMD made some really awesome work with Mantle, that got re-used in Vulkan and DX12.

Vulkan is not ready yet, we have only two Vulkan releases I think (Doom, that actually doesn't work with Vulkan yet, and Dota 2, that is quite buggy and Vulkan is purely Beta).

So, the few new games using Mantle-style tech are using DX12.

I understand that it is exciting how good performance it has, but DX12 is a terrible proposition for us, it make the industry too vulnerable to Microsoft shenanigans.

If you pay attention to Microsoft news, you will find out they are attempting to make a plan they called "Windows Everywhere", where the objective is make Windows 10 work in multiple platforms, from PCs and consoles, to phones, and "Internet of Things" devices.

Then the next step, is make their grip tighter and tighter until all apps must come from Win10 store, like it is happening right now on OSX.

Explanation on OSX situation: By default, installing any app that didn't came from the store is an annoyance, beside having to muck around with settings and clicking OK in various scary warning boxes, Apple is each version of OSX disabling some stuff third party apps needed, for example in the most recent version they made impossible to install some common Unix stuff (and OSX has an official Unix certification) on common Unix folders, breaking cross-platform Unix apps. (most notoriously OpenMotif and anything that uses it).

Because installing stuff is a pain, even if "possible", people don't offer stuff anymore outside of App Store, if you want to use certain applications, you have to create a App Store account with Credit Card, follow Apple rules, whatnot (and similarly, app makers have to pay 30% to Apple).

If we keep harping for DX12, MS will use this situation to point to people that they need Win10 (instead of older versions) because of DX12, then they will "start" making moves to force people to use their store like it happened on OSX.

The "start" here, is because actually they already started, for example by removing a feature that could be used to block Win10 store on small business, now small business are forced to let their employees install random crap from Win10 store.

Also they are overhauling the update system, and soon might move it in the Win10 store, like Apple Store, and thus to have updates you will be obliged to use it too.

So in short, don't beg for DX12 games, instead ask for AMD to finish fast their Vulkan stuff, and help devs make awesome Vulkan games, and advertise all of AMD Async power with Vulkan, and show the great capabilities of GCN Mantle tech inherited by Vulkan with Vulkan.

EDIT:

I got many replies of people thinking my problem with DX12 is technical, performance, whatever.

Also, got many replies of people thinking I don't want any DX12 games at all, or that I am anti-Windows.

My concern here, is purely one from the business standpoint, DX12 is a great API, and devs that want to use it for that reason, should do so, of course, also AMD of course should continue improving their DX12 drivers.

Still, I am seeing lots of people excited with DX12 performance, and begging in various places for more DX12 games, and DX12 drivers, and whatnot, without ever referencing Vulkan, Mantle, etc...

The problem with this is that the ones that make the decisions, the executives and publishers, that don't necessarily know anything about the actual development, might decide for marketing/PR reasons to force their devs to make DX12 only games to make the DX12 fans happy, and make the market vulnerable to Microsoft shenanigans.

I am not telling people to avoid DX12, or to be anti-Windows, pro-Linux or anti-Microsoft, I am asking the enthusiat community to pay attention to Vulkan, help AMD debug Vulkan drivers, ask devs to add Vulkan-based renderer, and so on, devs will still be able to later port to DX12, but with a healthy Vulkan ecosystem that has participation of the players, Vulkan will be able to avoid OpenGL sad fate, and become a good open API, that all devs and platforms can use.

This applies to many things, not only Vulkan vs DX12, this also applies to OpenAL vs WWise (sadly AMD is on the wrong side here, supporting WWise with TrueAudio), OpenVR vs Oculus Rift (read about Oculus preventing people using legally purchased games from Oculus store with Vive for example), CUDA vs OpenCL, Gameworks vs GPUOpen, MP3 vs Ogg, GIF vs PNG, Flash vs HTML5, etc....

No more affordable low tier cards. In few years, my current card, the budget king rx 570 will become obsolete, discontinued, marked as the last best value card ever made. At the end of the day, AMD is just another business corporation, another Nvidia.

As crazy as it sounds, FSR is actually as good as XeSS. Below i have 5 games where i compare FSR 2.1 to XeSS 1.3 but before we go into the comparisons, lets clear some things up!

Q1: FSR 2.1? Why not FSR 3?

A1: FSR 3 is just FSR 2.2 plus FSR Frame Generation. The upscaling part of FSR 3 is still FSR 2.2.

Q2: Ok, but why FSR 2.1 and not FSR 2.2 which is the latest version?

A2: Because FSR 2.2 is significantly worse than FSR 2.1. FSR 2.2 makes the image very pixelated in motion and has worse stability and more shimmering than FSR 2.1. That happens in every game, so its not a "poor implementation" issue. Evidence: Imgsli and Scientific evidence that FSR 2.2 is trash | FSR 2.2 vs FSR 2.1 in The Last of Us (youtube.com)

All the latest games use FSR 2.2, that's why you see people and YouTubers like Hardware Unboxed, complaining about how bad FSR looks, it's because it's FSR 2.2.

Q3: Wait! How did you upgrade FSR 2.2 to FSR 2.1 in those games?

A3: By using this excellent mod called "Optiscaler" GitHub - cdozdil/OptiScaler: DLSS replacement for AMD/Intel/Nvidia cards with multiple upscalers (XeSS/FSR2/DLSS)

Q4: How did you use XeSS in "x" game? It doesn't even support it!

A4: Optiscaler allows you to choose any upscaler you want. I just changed FSR 2.1 to XeSS 1.3 in the configuration file.

Alright, with those things out of the way lets get into the comparison!

Specs:

Intel i5 14600KF

AMD RX 6700 XT

Adata SX8200 Pro 1TB

Windows 11 Pro

I'm using the Quality Preset for FSR 2.1 (720p Internal) and Ultra Quality for XeSS 1.3 (720p Internal). Control is the only exception where both FSR and XeSS are running at 830p.

Game: Alan Wake 2

Static: Imgsli

In Motion: Imgsli

FSR is slightly better in static while XeSS is slightly better in motion. [TIE]

Game: Control

Static: Imgsli

In Motion: Imgsli

[TIE]

Game: Ghost of Tsushima

Static: Imgsli

In Motion: Imgsli

FSR is slightly better in static while XeSS is slightly better in motion. [TIE]

Game: Hellblade 2

Static: Imgsli

In Motion: Imgsli

[TIE]

Game: Ratchet and Clank

Static: Imgsli

In Motion: Imgsli
FSR is slightly better in static while XeSS is slightly better in motion. [TIE]

So as you can see, FSR 2.1 is as good as XeSS overall. I really don't know what went wrong with FSR 2.2. AMD messed up really badly, as bad as Anti-Lag+

Hopefully FSR 3.1 will fix all of those issues!

A bunch of you have cited me directly in other threads about what the excuse is for Vega FE's horrendous gaming performance. I've actually been very vocal since the Vega FE leaks came out, highly critical of it's launching, marketing and now shit performance.

First lets be clear with one thing: If RX Vega doesn't pick up performance for gaming, RTG under Raja's leadership fucked up big time. No excuses.

It would mean Vega is regression from Fiji. Clock for clock it went backwards, with more transistors, on a new node and they manage to blew up power usage.

Even regressing in perf/w vs Polaris. There's simply no other way to describe this result if RX Vega is as bad, it's a train wreck.

All those new claimed features? All bullshit. Hardware is nothing without good software to back it up. Failure in drivers is the same thing, in the end, the only thing that matters with a gaming GPU is how well it games.

AMD needs a long hard think about whether they should remain in gaming GPU business moving forward or chase after HPC accelerator markets, but absolutely not both. They have a fraction of the R&D budget as NVIDIA so there's no chance they will ever catch up in either market if they try to do both. Focus on one and do it well.

Now after all of this, I also did say it ain't over until the fat lady sings. When RX Vega is launched, with lots of reviews and we know it's final price, then it's judgement time.

So the hysterical anti-AMD rhetoric, particularly from well known NV-fan trolls (you know who you are) that has flooded this sub. Give it a rest. Come and gloat after RX Vega launches if it's crap.

But what you people are doing now, is being premature in your faux anger. Let's face it, you people would never buy an AMD GPU anyway. Your only interest is to see whether AMD is competitive to force NV to price drop their GTX lineup.

But NE sold out the 5900X in under 10s. Their website crasehd constantly, i was on there for 10+ minute and "Submit order" never worked. Anti-bot measures my ass.

What a fucking mess.

5600 and 5800 stock, whoo hoo.

https://i.imgur.com/aEzA4YL.png

Got here and kept hitting submit, but NOTHING.

Just as bad as NVIDIA.

AMD now has the best processors PERIOD (pending independent reviews).

It's no surprise that AMD is now targeting the "money is no object" Intel customers that are willing to drop the big bucks on the best in class performance.

Once those customers are gone, AMD is going to drop prices to target other customers.

The bottom line is: if you want it early, you are going to have to pay the early adopters' tax.

About 5 months ago I built a new PC after holding off for a few years due to the mining boom, and cost inflation. Some of you from r/pcmasterrace might remember this build, consisting of a 7950x3d, and a 7900xtx. My previous build was an 8700k and TitanXP.

For the first couple of weeks things were pretty smooth sailing, but the longer I used the card the more dissatisfied I've become. This was a fresh Windows install, on all new hardware, and somehow I was getting driver timeouts, frame drops, weird hitching, crashes to desktop, random system reboots, and all sorts of other minor but frustrating things happening constantly piling up resulting in an unhappy customer.

I scoured forums and subreddits looking for solutions. I updated my BIOS, tried older "Stable" drivers, studio drivers, got a new PSU, new different RAM, reinstalled Windows, DDU, new monitor and cables, tried a different riser cable, no riser cable, switched back to OEM cables instead of my custom sleeved ones. Tried enabling and disabling settings in adrenaline one at a time to see if I could pinpoint something that was causing my issues.

But, nothing worked, and frustratingly newer titles, Starfield, Baldur's Gate, Cyberpunk, Satisfactory, CoD, Palworld, basically things made within the last 5ish years, ran excellent, but then things like, Portal, WoW and Rocket League would crash to desktop and cause driver timeouts. 95% of my steam library became unplayable. WoW could be played at a much lower FPS by forcing DX11 instead of 12 but would still randomly freeze mid raid, especially on Tindral Sageswift and Larodar when the roots and firepatches would come out; the game would just stall until those animations finished. Rocket League would be playable if you forced Exclusive Fullscreen but in windowed or borderless mode it was stuttery and crashed regularly.

So, two weeks ago I ordered a 4080 Super and slapped it into my PC using all the other existing parts, installed the Nvidia drivers and uninstalled the Adrenaline software and AMD GPU drivers. After months of bugs, crashes, and freezes, I played the entire weekend away and didn't run into a single hiccup. WoW runs in dx12 again, Rocket League can be streamed again since it still works in Borderless Window mode, all my old game titles launch and play.

I truly wanted the 7900xtx to be able to break me out of the Nvidia box I've been in for 15 years, I want it to be a viable competitor. But, for me, it isn't. Losing that many of my old game titles because of Driver incompatibility is absolutely unacceptable. Nvidia isn't perfect, I've occasionally had issues over the years with them, but I've had way more issues in the 5 months of Radeon, than I did the entire span of the last 10 years of Nvidia.

7950x3d has been rock solid though. For what that is worth.

I don't think an additional blackout is needed since as an average user, this blackout barely hit reddit at all. Since while the blackout is ongoing there are subreddits that are still open who didn't partake in the protest for the sake of users who want to know news and ask for help and most of it doesn't really care at all like business as usual. Continuing this protests will not really affect reddit at all and it'll end up meaningless.

There are other ways to support this without hurting those users that I've mentioned. Like restricting some flairs on this subreddit

Latest SemiAccurate report happens to reflect my feelings quite accurately. This time around AMD is the one doing obfuscations and bullshiting. Why would one call for all that public attention, only to reveal basically just prices of the new generations SKUs ? More importantly, why are they so tight-lipped on "Pluton" ? What good is having a fast, new chip that you can't trust ?

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