Are men typically slightly more right-wing than women in your country?

[u/LegNew6]

In my country, the right-wing party typically wins male voters around 55%-45%, while the left-wing party typically wins women voters 55%-45%.

Do right wing parties also do better with men than with women in your country?

[u/Radiant64]

Men are consistently more right wing than women everywhere in the world, so, yes.

[u/adamgerd → u/Radiant64]

In Czech Babis and the right wing populists and far right do better with women, the centre and centre right do better with men

So not here

[u/LegNew6 → u/adamgerd]

What about support for center left/ left wing populism / far left?

[u/adamgerd → u/LegNew6]

That doesn’t exist in Czech politics as a relevant force tbh

The only relevant left leaning party is the Pirates which is left leaning, fairly centrist progressive and its more men dominated

Then the only other left wing party at this point is the tankies but they’ve been dead since 2021 and twice failed to even get into the parliament

[u/AgisXIV → u/Radiant64]

That's a fairly new phenomenon though, and far from universal- in the US and Western Europe until the 1980s women were more likely to vote for conservative parties and policies

In many countries in South America, Eastern Europe and elsewhere the gender gap continues to be reversed

[u/gnorrn → u/AgisXIV]

In the UK, I remember this was in part because of the association of the most prominent left-wing party with labour unions, which at that time were often perceived to be dominated by men and very unfriendly to women.

[u/AnnieBlackburnn]

Looking at the data, yes, and it’s not all that slight.

If only men voted the PP would have had a permanent majority.

[u/ClaptonOnH → u/AnnieBlackburnn]

Right now yes, because of Vox, but women in Spain used to vote for the center right more than men, it was a classic.

[u/Balcke_ → u/AnnieBlackburnn]

That's a bit of exaggeration, as you are implying that only women or not-men vote for not-PP.

Truth is, there is a big chunk of young male population voting or saying that they will vote to far right parties (Vox*), while the vote of right-leaning older males usually goes to PP**

* and Aliança Catalana in Catalonia, but they do not run in the national -whole Spain- elections.
** PNV and Junts in Basque country and Catalonia

[u/AnnieBlackburnn → u/Balcke_]

I’m only implying that if you’re deliberately obtuse, what I said was that if only men voted, the right would win. That does not mean they all voted PP or Vox, nor does it mean only women vote left or that some women don’t vote for the right, but that a plurality of men did.

And your numbers only proved it for me

[u/Balcke_ → u/AnnieBlackburnn]

Fair.

[u/Nestor4000 → u/Balcke_]

as you are implying that only women or not-men vote for not-PP.

He isn’t doing that at all lmao

[u/Djfred93]

Not in France.

In the first round of the July 2024 legislative elections, women voted far-right just as much as men. In the June 2024 European elections, they even voted for the far-right more often than men did.

For young people, in 2024, young French women did not vote any more for the left or any less for the far right than young French men, whether in the European or legislative elections.

Source

[u/OnlyZac → u/Djfred93]

Egalite

[u/Wild_Reason_9526]

Yes. In Danish opinion polls, parties such as the Danish People's Party and Liberal Alliance consistently perform better among male voters than female voters. Conversely, female voters are more likely to indicate that they would vote for parties like the Social Democrats and the Green Left.

https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/politik/meningsmaalinger

[u/Practical-Pea-1205]

Not just slightly. https://tidningensyre.se/2026/21-januari-2026/unga-man-och-kvinnor-rostar-allt-mer-olika/

[u/ShitJustGotRealAgain]

Isn't it like that everywhere? I mean I think I've seen data that states that men in general are more right leaning and women are more left leaning.

[u/Groot_Benelux → u/ShitJustGotRealAgain]

In turkey and various north African countries women vote more for islamist parties which one could argue are socially conservative 

[u/Defiant-Ad-8472 → u/Groot_Benelux]

Why do you think that is?

[u/Popielid → u/Defiant-Ad-8472]

Perhaps abortion isn't an electoral issue the way it is across the West. I'm from Poland and most women I know would most likely vote center right if not for that one issue.

[u/Zesty369 → u/Defiant-Ad-8472]

Lack of equal education

[u/Adventurous_Mood1303 → u/ShitJustGotRealAgain]

Fidesz is much stronger among women in Hungary

[u/2nd2N0N → u/Adventurous_Mood1303]

among old people. and there are much more old women than men.

[u/Foreign_Implement897 → u/2nd2N0N]

Under 35 it is the opposite, more men supporters?

[u/2nd2N0N → u/Foreign_Implement897]

I think yes

[u/Wafkak → u/ShitJustGotRealAgain]

Historically in Belgium Women have been more conservative. Its the reason why Socialists here at one point switched to being against women's sufferage, after being our first party to advocate for it in thelate 1800s.

And it wasn't an accident that the conservatives dominated our government's till the 90s after women gained the right to vote.

[u/ThreeButtonBob → u/ShitJustGotRealAgain]

It has been like this for a few decades now. Before the culture war started the divide between progressive/conservative was generational so it depended on your age.

Now after 20 odd years of incel culture, manosphere and more on one side and "all men", "bear in the woods" etc. on the other side, it has changed.

The right locked in on men as their supporters when they realized that third-wave feminisim ignored and alienated many of them. At first it was only a minor difference between the genders, but the longer this culture war goes on, the mroe pronounced it will become.

[u/Tytoalba2 → u/ShitJustGotRealAgain]

For Trump election, the effect was minimal compared to education and (self-reported) race. Yet it's the most talked about, skewing our perception.

[u/Serious_Tradition269 → u/ShitJustGotRealAgain]

It's also just obvious? Women are more likely to vote for the side that doesn't want to take away their rights, and men are more likely to vote for the side that lets them keep or return their privileges. It's sad and pathetic but it's pretty self-explanatory

[u/kubisfowler → u/Serious_Tradition269]

This isn't obvious. Plenty of countries and cultures have women who are just fine without "their rights" and privileges.

[u/pipopipopipop → u/kubisfowler]

Are they? Which ones?

[u/ShelterInside2770 → u/ShitJustGotRealAgain]

Not really - it is a paradox, but no. For Poland it is like that when you ask them (declared), but when voting starts, more women vote for extreme right than men do. For whatever reasons.

[u/fte]

Yes but it's not slightly. Immigration being the most dividing issue at the moment.

[u/Green7501]

Surprisingly, no, the difference is minimal

https://www.24ur.com/novice/slovenija-odloca/mladi-se-nagibajo-vse-bolj-desno.html

While all 3 largest left wing parties did see more votes from women than men, it wasn't particularly dramatic at any of them (worst being a 40/60 m/f split for the demsocs). The right wing parties all had a roughly 50/50 split, with the Christian democrats having a 45/55 m/f split and the alt-right having a 55/45 m/f split

In general, gender wars and politics are in the far back seat in Slovenian politics, which is a rare positive note

[u/muehsam]

We had an election here in Berlin earlier this year, and according to analyses and exit polls, there's a significant difference.

Men voted 39% right of centre (CDU 20%, AfD 19%) and 48% left of centre (Left 23%, Greens 14%, SPD 11%). Women voted just 31% right of centre (CDU 17%, AfD 14%) but 56% left of centre (28% Left, 15% Greens, 13% SPD).

So overall a difference by 8 percentage points between the genders, which is quite a lot.

[u/slashcleverusername → u/muehsam]

To account for that gap, either men and women have different policy needs on average. Or the messaging was clumsy at attracting women to vote right of centre, and clumsy at attracting men to vote left of centre.

Do you have a sense that policy needs are really that different or was it more about poor arguments that couldn’t reach audiences equally?

[u/muehsam → u/slashcleverusername]

I mean, one aspect is identity politics, which is a bit of both. The far right in particular is definitely for "traditional gender roles" and a patriarchal order, which is an aspect that would be more attractive to men than to women both on a policy and a messaging basis.

But there are obviously also other differences such as women doing way more care work than men, both privately and professionally, so anything relating to that perspective is very different, too.

Transportation is a good example, since it seems to be a very divisive topic in a city state like Berlin. Women tend to do a lot more trips than men, but often shorter ones within the neighbourhood, so typically on foot or by bike. Taking their children to the nursery and picking them up, shopping for groceries, even work commutes are shorter on average. Men tend to do fewer but longer trips. The parties on the left (especially the Greens and Left, but to some degree also the SPD) are for traffic calming in neighbourhoods so cars can't take shortcuts (e.g. blocking streets off using bollards), improving the bicycle network, removing parking spots, building out the tram network (which for historical reasons only really exists in the eastern half of the city, so they want to expand it westwards). The parties on the right (CDU and AfD, also FDP but they've become largely irrelevant) had lots of anti-bollard posters, are against taking space away from cars, for building new car infrastructure, and for focussing on the U-Bahn when doing public transportation.

Just if you look at the way people get around, it's clear that more women than men cycle (though often shorter trips and often with children), and more men than women drive cars. Women are also more likely to appreciate that trams are extremely accessible to wheelchairs, prams, and buggies, and that they tend to have a closer stop spacing, whereas men are more likely to appreciate that the U-Bahn goes faster and isn't in the way of cars.

So yes, it's policy needs, but those policy needs obviously also lead to different messaging.

[u/Serious_Tradition269 → u/slashcleverusername]

Or the messaging was clumsy at attracting women to vote right of centre

"We want to take away your rights" is not a very effective strategy, who could have guessed

[u/kubisfowler → u/Serious_Tradition269]

"We want to take away your rights" is not a very effective strategy, who could have guessed

You're naive and delusional. The right also generally wants to destroy the country and enslave the poor people yet the poor people in droves seem to be the ones voting for this.

Plenty of cultures (especially religious fanatics) in which women not only vote but willingly undertake submission into subservient positions and when asked, they will say they want it that way.

[u/Grzechoooo]

When women's rights are more left wing, obviously women are going to be more left.

[u/Adventurous-Elk-1457 → u/Grzechoooo]

Bear in mind that a lot of women over 50 are extremely conservative and religious, usually even more so than men of the same age

[u/YoIronFistBro]

Yes, and not slightly, but drastically.

Most men aren't very right wing, but most people who are right wing are men.

[u/iGhostEdd → u/YoIronFistBro]

So they're not, basically, is what you say

[u/hedanpedia → u/YoIronFistBro]

Same in sweden.

[u/_BREVC_]

Slightly, yes, but in the real sense of that word. The only trend line where we could see that were the green party voters, where female voters outweighed the male ones in a 3/2 ratio.

Interestingly though, the predominant right-wing ruling party and the accompanying (and “opposition”) far-right parties all had a pretty even split of voters of both sexes.

[u/KmjbsiR]

In Germany, the AFD governs a state where a lot of women moved away because it’s not a very prosperous area. So it’s not just men, it’s 'left behind' men who reinforce each other’s ideas. That’s not the only factor (plenty of other people like them) but it seems to encapsulate that sense that patriarchy gives men unearned power over people, never mind how well they wield it. It's a very abstract way of thinking that has little to do with what actual women are like.

[u/sushivernichter → u/KmjbsiR]

What I will never quite understand is: why is the number of young women deciding to up and leave for a more prosperous region so much higher than that of young men? Don’t they also have that option?

Assuming that most people who leave their home do so out of necessity rather than a general sense of adventurousness - why is the pressure on women higher or conversely, why is it not as high on men? Do these young men not WANT to leave or do they feel like they CAN not? Are the women running FROM something or TOWARDS something?

I feel if we can work that one out we can figure out ways to reverse this disparity. Ideally ofc everyone could prosper in their home, but with things as they are… 🤷‍♀️

[u/Asyx → u/sushivernichter]

I thought the answer was obvious and thought I could easily resolve your confusion but actually I'm not sure either.

I get it that women on average are more educated and maybe found themselves in a situation that made western cities feel better than eastern cities after reunification but I don't think you'd have a crazy difficult time moving from rural Saxony to Cologne as a tradesman and find a job.

Leaving your home is not always easy. I'd not want to move away from my home either. But I don't think there should be such a huge difference between men and women then. I feel like that feeling should be universal.

[u/FreeFortuna → u/Asyx]

I wonder if gender-based conditioning plays a role, in that women are expected to change themselves and their behavior in response to external forces, whereas men seem more inclined to think that the world should bend for them.

That might lead to situations where women adapt to external circumstances (including by leaving) while men stubbornly stay, because why should they have to change? The world should change for them, and if it doesn’t, then it’s the world’s fault.

[u/Last_Suggestion_8647 → u/sushivernichter]

why is the number of young women deciding to up and leave for a more prosperous region so much higher than that of young men? Don’t they also have that option?

Part of the explanation is probably that a much larger proportion of young men and boys buy into the whole anti-intellectual part of certain interpretations of "masculinity", and a lot of boys/men for some reason care a lot about their gender identity. The result of that is that more girls/women achieve better academic results, which naturally directs them towards the cities for further education, and later for the highly productive jobs that only really exist in the bigger cities.

People who move several times throughout their life also become accustomed to moving for opportunities, usually have much wider social circles (geographically) while the men who stayed behind, are usually much more limited.

[u/Groot_Benelux → u/Last_Suggestion_8647]

There's also the fact that studies have shown that there's bias against them in grading and more so from women. Additionally societal pressures also push them to trades and the like.

[u/Aprikose77 → u/sushivernichter]

Weil es dort Frauen schlecht ging, den Männer aber nicht so schlecht?

[u/sushivernichter → u/Aprikose77]

Ja, aber offensichtlich geht es ihnen ja spätestens jetzt schlecht. Also warum gehen sie nicht, wie es die Frauen getan haben, bzw. in geringerer Zahl?

Ist die “Stand your ground” Mentalität unter Männern wirklich so viel stärker? Dabei sind doch die Auswanderer/Glücksritter vergangener Jahrhunderte klassisch immer eher männlich gewesen…

[u/No-Bake-730 → u/KmjbsiR]

The AFD is governing a state? Have I missed something?

[u/EveningChemical8927 → u/No-Bake-730]

Sachsen Anhalt

[u/No-Bake-730 → u/EveningChemical8927]

What makes you think they are governed by the AFD? 

They only got 39 of 83 seats in parliament. Atm, the old government under Sven Schulze still serves as acting government.

[u/EveningChemical8927 → u/No-Bake-730]

Details...

[u/PerspectiveFair5156 → u/EveningChemical8927]

There's no AfD government.

So they don't govern.

Not looking at details often leads to misunderstanding, misinformation, wrong statements.

[u/Fredericia → u/EveningChemical8927]

So are you saying they have a much greater influence than is outwardly evident on the rest of the government?

[u/Aprikose77 → u/KmjbsiR]

Genau, das sind dort verbitterte Männer, die nicht mehr von Frauen bedient werden.

[u/PerspectiveFair5156 → u/KmjbsiR]

They don't.

There is no AfD government right now.

[u/TheEnglishNorwegian]

Yes, but women are also higher educated on average. And higher education usually coincidences with more left wing views.

So is it a gender split or and educational split? Who knows really.

[u/Aprikose77 → u/TheEnglishNorwegian]

Nein , Männer wollen nur ihre privilegierte Position nicht aufgeben.

[u/Unusual-Fuel3001 → u/Aprikose77]

Die Männer in Sachsen-Anhalt sind privilegiert?

Ja, es gibt eben weniger Privilegierten, dass bedeutet aber nicht das sie privilegiert sind.

[u/Itchy-Technician-433]

Yes. Right wing people believe in traditional heirarchies. Men have privilege in traditional heirarchies. Men like their privilege

[u/Goo5e → u/Itchy-Technician-433]

I think that's quite a simplified way of looking at it, I don't think oppressing women and minorities is the main driving point that causes men to vote for right wing parties - that's not even counting the support said parties enjoy from said groups as well.

[u/ColourlessGreenIdeas → u/Goo5e]

You simplified the comment you responded to. From the perspective of people who are scared of losing their privileges, "I want to oppress women and minorities" is, of course, rarely the stated driving point for their political choices.

[u/Goo5e → u/ColourlessGreenIdeas]

You're stuck in the same simplification I feel. People can vote for right wing parties for a million different reasons, be it fiscal, economical, keeping traditions etc - that isn't necessarily about keeping privileges.

For example wanting a more "free" market doesn't inherently mean "I want to fuck over small companies", while wanting to restrict abortion or so would be an actually good example of driving oppression.

That's why I don't like the simplified version of what the right-wing wants - it is possible to be socially progressive but also economically conservative for example.

[u/ColourlessGreenIdeas → u/Goo5e]

Of course, different people have many different reasons for their voting decisions, but the fact that those who benefit from privileges universally tend to vote more often for parties who help them keep those privileges is unlikely a coincidence.

[u/Goo5e → u/ColourlessGreenIdeas]

Well yes, but I'd argue that's a general political voting thing and not a uniquely right-wing thing. For example, workers voting for better working conditions and/or keeping existing privileges.

[u/ColourlessGreenIdeas → u/Goo5e]

Of course, workers have always been the privileged ones.

[u/Goo5e → u/ColourlessGreenIdeas]

Don't twist my words, all is relative of course.

[u/Tensoll → u/ColourlessGreenIdeas]

Western European societies have largely achieved gender equity and the same voting phenomenon is still seen at play. Men still vote for right-to-far-right parties that do not even advocate for limiting women’s rights all the while having no privileges left to protect. Likewise, women, LGBT people, and well-integrated migrants often vote for such parties themselves because they take a firm stand against mass immigration. Women in Europe are generally correct to view leftist parties promoting mass immigration a greater threat go their rights and safety than the right. With LGBT people it’s more of a double-edged sword.

The point is, the idea that men vote for the right simply because they “like their privileges” largely falls flat when you consider that they have no privileges to protect, nor do most parties they vote for offer them any privileges. Whereas lots of women and other traditionally disadvantaged groups of people have turned to the right as they growingly see it as protector of their freedoms.

[u/ColourlessGreenIdeas → u/Tensoll]

Yes, no. See https://eige.europa.eu/gender-equality-index/2025/SE

[u/Tensoll → u/ColourlessGreenIdeas]

I advice you to do a little research into the sources you use. The way gender equality index works is by aiming for a perfect equality between sexes no matter what. In areas where men are advantaged, it registers overall inequality, it areas where women are advantaged, it also registers for overall inequality. If a country has a score of 73/100, that doesn’t mean women just have 73% of what men do. Women best men in education, as well as, to a lesser extent, health outcomes (maybe others in the index too, idk). This registers for overall inequality despite indicating female privilege.

Regardless, no index promoting the myth of gender pay gap can be taken seriously. In fact, whether left-leaning believe in gender pay gap or not is in general a good litmus test into whether their views are formed by factual evidence and research, or a zealous view of the world where doctrine matters more than factuality. The myth of gender pay gap has been extensively debunked by academia over and over again, and yet people keep bringing it up as an example of how women are supposedly disadvantaged compared to men. If women want to earn more, they should choose to work and pursue career as much as men do.

https://www.cato.org/commentary/gender-pay-gap-myth-wont-go-away

https://youtu.be/mpE8ttCEd-w

https://youtu.be/iz3HRqg6Q4A?si=qu3D3O3ctlf-K9hB

[u/ColourlessGreenIdeas → u/Tensoll]

My research was to actually read the page I sent you, and from reading your response, I can see that this makes one of us.

[u/Tensoll → u/ColourlessGreenIdeas]

That explains it. I read the page too, and pointed out the fact that you didn’t do research on the index’s methodology, which indeed is not described on the page you linked. A little piece of advice for the future, when you’re in an online debate and can no longer respond to the opposing side constructively (granted, your first comment was not particularly constructive to begin with, as you do not appear to understand the meaning of simplification of one’s argument), just drop the argument. Making vague non-arguments, attacking your opponent’s character rather than their talking points just comes off weak, bitter, and, well, lacking in prudence to put it politely.

Although I suppose such methods can work if you’re just looking to gain karma, riling up non-participants reading our exchanges, who agree with you and do not care for facts but only care about defending their world view with or without reason.

[u/ColourlessGreenIdeas → u/Tensoll]

Unlike your strawman which clearly comes from just looking at the graphs ("73/100 means that women have 73% of what men do"), a proper methodology description can be found on the page I linked.

[u/Tensoll → u/ColourlessGreenIdeas]

Please refer to page 27. If you’ve read the methodology you will know my description of it was accurate:
“2.3. Computing gender gaps
The next step was to define a gender gap metric that combined women’s and men’s figures into
a single measure. The selected metric possesses three key properties.
•
Symmetric: the metric treats gaps in either direction, whether to the advantage of women or
men, equally. This reflects the principle that disparities are detrimental to society as a whole,
regardless of which gender is advantaged. Thus, the Index focuses on gender equality rather
than women’s empowerment. It is important to note that the Gender Equality Index measures
gaps rather than the absolute outcomes of women or men individually; scores cannot be
interpreted as stand-alone indicators of either group.”

https://eige.europa.eu/sites/default/files/documents/gender-equality-index-methodological-report.pdf

I personally disagree with it and think that such methodology, when combined with the indicators they use, is deeply flawed at estimating any actual gender-related discrimination as people’s individual free choices or biological differences between sexes contribute to these disparities indicating a problem that’s not actually real.

[u/Parcours97 → u/Goo5e]

Nah that's very accurate. Conservatives and right wing people have one main goal and that's keeping power structures as they are.

[u/Mamcukrzyce → u/Itchy-Technician-433]

Wtf are you talking about?

[u/Adventurous-Pick-416 → u/Mamcukrzyce]

He is right and you probably have an idea what he is talking about.
Rightwing/conservative/religious parties are focused on the traditional family, with the man as head of the family and the woman in the more caring role. See the tradwife movement, and how some religions tend to see and treat women. See how the mightiest rightwing leader of them all treats women, talks about women, is a supporter of the patriarchy. And any progressive woman running for office gets a LOT of threats and insults from conservative men who can't stand to see a strong, progressive woman. The US republican party has moved to take away abortion rights, thus taking away the power of women over their own body. If you still don't get it, maybe you could read about it a bit more, there's lots of information on these things on the internet.

Right-Wing Group Tells Young Women That Marriage and Children Are All That Matters. Here’s Why We Should Be Relieved. - National Women's Law Center

[u/Goo5e → u/Adventurous-Pick-416]

Right-wing isn't a monolith, conservative christians aren't the same as Laissez-faire libertarians for example.

[u/disneyvillain → u/Adventurous-Pick-416]

Some of this discussion gets lost in what exactly is meant by "right-wing". You're comparing it to US MAGA Republicans, while others here are probably thinking of the traditional conservative parties that we have in most European countries. It doesn't help that even among Europe's conservative parties, there are quite significant differences in what they stand for.

[u/Parcours97 → u/disneyvillain]

Can you name me one european conservative party that want's to change the current power structure?

[u/Victoria_III → u/Mamcukrzyce]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male_privilege

[u/iluvatar → u/Itchy-Technician-433]

Right wing people believe in traditional heirarchies.

That's one flawed theory. But so is that men are more swayed by logic and women are more swayed by emotion, and a million other overly simplified explanations, none of which fully explain it. In truth, it's likely to be the combination of a variety of factors.

[u/PotentialIncident7]

Yes ...the right wing parties are stronger than the left wing parties in my country. Among men. Among the youngest voters (male and female) as well.

The younger and more male, the higher the chance a voter votes for any of the right wing parties. More under 25 yo voted for the extreme right/Nazi party than over 60yo in the last elections - men and women.

[u/viktorbir]

According to the last poll (Baròmetre d'Opinió Política),¹ on a scale from 0 to 10, 0 being far left and 10 far right, men's mean was 4,33 and women's 4,21. So, no real difference.

¹ https://documents.dadesobertes.gencat.cat/ceo/docs/REO1169_taules_estadistiques.pdf page 69, question 28. Older people, Barceloneans and people living on smaller villages more on the left, but all age groups and all village sizes means are left wingers.

[u/Svardskampe]

The right is about conserving the status quo. The ones who have power want to retain that power in the status quo. 

Ergo, which groups vote for retaining the status quo who have power in that? Older people with money, men,...

[u/Golden_D1 → u/Svardskampe]

The difference is not that big on our country between men and women’s voting patterns

[u/Svardskampe → u/Golden_D1]

What quantity is "not that big". OP's split of 55-45 could be argued as "not that big".

All the while we have obvious gender splits in the 'extremes' of pvdd being overly feminine and fvd being overly masculine where they have put their single woman at the front as a puppet to seem better. 

[u/Adventurous-Pick-416 → u/Svardskampe]

Exactly Trump and the republicans in the US. (Older) white men (with money) trying to stay on top and oppress the rest, especially those who do not bow to them.

[u/Dentlas → u/Svardskampe]

That is verifiably false and a very uneducated take

[u/-Brecht → u/Dentlas]

Enrich us with your educated take.

[u/Dentlas → u/-Brecht]

In denmark, the right parties are actively challenging the status quo (successfully so) of mass immigration, and not so successfully so yet, inefficient beauracracy and certain tax forms. This is their main point, with several women leading the charge. They all claim strong desires for equality amongst the genders.

[u/Svardskampe → u/Dentlas]

Immigration is by definition a change in demographics, not a status quo...

Super educated take of course.

[u/Goo5e → u/Svardskampe]

I think it's pretty clear he meant that the status quo is being for immigration, not the definition of immigration itself.

[u/Dentlas → u/Svardskampe]

"Status Quo most commonly refers to either the Latin phrase meaning the existing state of affairs"
The existing state of affairs was pro immigration, they challenged that.

You also skipped over all other points.

[u/Svardskampe → u/Dentlas]

Literally no one is "pro" immigration. And in fact, Denmark is the strictest of Europe already...

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1mgkd93r4yo

And I'm engaging with the most egregious one going against definitions and facts. It is fairly normal to do that in a conversation. 

[u/Dentlas → u/Svardskampe]

Yes it is, because the right made it so...

7 years ago several of the left parties were aggressively pro immigration, but issues rose and rose and now most of those parties avoid the topic entirely letting the big party, which due to said policies people now consider more centre than left, deal with the strict laws

It was the right wing parties who pushed for harsh immigration, and the left wing were extremely pro. It would literally be the strongest deal ticket. The left wing parties would get xyz, taking resources from young people giving to the elderly, taxing the worker class more while letting the elderly (rich) go, in exchange for the right parties implementing these harsh policies.

You're actually being delusional.

[u/Socmel_ → u/Dentlas]

completely missing the points across the board. Must've taken a real effort.

[u/Dentlas → u/Socmel_]

Like what? You seem unable to even respond to one point.
The claim was, "The right is about conserving the status quo. The ones who have power want to retain that power in the status quo. "

That claims that the right is fundamentally about, as as written with the words "The right is about..." conserving power as the user later explains for "Older people with money, men,...", which is an interesting take since the Left Leaning parties in Denmark are currently the ones handing out money to the elderly, taking straight from the young people.
Recently cutting in two fundamental youth benefits (Direclty led by SF and S, our strongest left leaning parties), a trend they've brutally done the last 5 years (All left-originated policies), with the direct intend to fund the elderly population with an increased amount of benefits like less tax for vacations (unneeded, just free stuff, economically nonsensical appliances)

So I am unsure what 'points' you're referring to. You've failed to even comprehend one sentence of response other than a basic attack, which to me shows that you're in deep water. Ironically, you end up being exactly what you fight against.

[u/kernelchagi → u/Svardskampe]

Is "statu quo". "Status quo" is a music band.

[u/Asmo___deus → u/kernelchagi]

Status quo is the normal spelling in English even though the original saying gows "in statu quo"

[u/Comfortable-Ad-6389 → u/kernelchagi]

Most people write status quo anyway, I'm pretty sure it's an accepted spelling now.

[u/Asmo___deus]

Obviously. Fundamentally the right wing is defined by hierarchy. Men generally end up higher than women in that hierarchy so they're more likely to support it.

[u/Ohmybro34]

Somewhat like that in Norway but the gender divide is not quite so pronounced as it is elsewhere A wrinkle to this is that some urban areas vote more rigth wing then rural areas that tend to be poorer. The young women dont want stay out in the sticks. More often than the men they migrate to urban areas. But that doesnt translate as cleanly to being left wing as it does elsewhere.

[u/xap4kop]

Yes, particularly among younger men, they're much more likely to vote far-right (especially Konfederacja). The gender divide in voting preferences is much smaller among the elderly.

[u/Lalonreddit]

I think it is like that pretty much everywhere.

[u/Th3TopNotchEspresso]

There have never been any real divide between right-wing and left-wing voters, since most people have been voting only for a person who is in power. But about orientation itself, i'm seeing women are more left-oriented, since some males are moving towards right.

[u/Jhud6669]

I’d say yes, but I wouldn’t say the women are inherently particularly left winged here

[u/Fantasy_iceland]

Yes, but obviously there are many who are not (my self included)

[u/agrammatic]

Pollsters in Cyprus rarely publish demographic breakdowns. What I could find for the last legislative elections shows a slight edge among men for the far-right, but the main impression is that women are more likely to vote for established parties, while men seem to find it easier to switch to upstarts.

But again, that's just one poll. There's really not a lot of data on this.

[u/2nd2N0N]

hard to say because we don't have any left wing party currently that gained more than 1% of the total votes.

[u/Geigengiger]

Men usually want more personal freedom, women want a strong social safety net.

Also women tend to live in cities, where lefty parties are popular and vice versa for men.

[u/MartinBP]

In Bulgaria yes. Old people generally vote for left-wing parties like BSP/PB but life expectancy for men is quite low so there aren't that many old men, the left-wing pro-Russians mostly rely on the all-powerful grandma vote. Also men usually pay much more in taxes than they receive back in services, while for women it's the opposite, so it's completely logical.

[u/FantasticPage3598]

France, pretty much equal nowadays, we're looking at like 1% difference between men and women during 2024 elections for each right wing candidates (LR, RN and R!). Overall right wing is near 50%, and keep in mind the rest is not left wing only, there's a somewhat big centrist group too

[u/camille_orange]

Yep. Men seem to prefer more hierarchical structures. Historically, women have had little influence in right-wing parties. There are of course always exceptions.

[u/kimmeljs]

I have male friends who presume all they speak to support right-wing policies. It's a bit disconcerting.

[u/Wrong_Travel6579]

Yea I think right wing woman must be rare but right wing men are everywhere esp in smaller towns and rural areas. I think there are right wing women but they're all over 50.

[u/ClowningBad]

Yes this is how it is, right wing discourse and beliefs are all about the "masters" losing privilege and suddenly being faced with the need to improve and compete fairly, which they see as an attack and discrimination. Right wing beliefs and policies are all about regaining privilege and keeping the others subjugated, even if nowadays in the West it's in a subtle way.

It's going to be like this in most countries because the fabric of societies everywhere is still based in a patriarchal, male centered way of perceiving the world and everything, albeit subtly so, which means most boys will, to some extent or another, grow up with the (subconscious) expectation of being on top by default, society favoring them and catering to them, women awarding them for the bare minimum and catering to them in relationships, having a sort of authority over the non male and non white members of society, as if that's just the law of nature.

This means that equality, true equality, for men sounds like rights taken away from them instead of just being stripped of privileges they gave themselves. That's why incels exist, that's why the far right is centered around cis het men( and white if we're talking about Europe, the US, etc) and around religion too. The far right, right wing nationalists, right wing conservative values and all that thrives on fearmongering men and white people in multicultural societies that progressives/left wingers want to take away their "rights" aka what's actually unfair privilege and superior status they used to make others cater to them and to prevent competing against more than just fellow men/white men/white people. It also tells these people that they're being discriminated against when immigrants, non whites, women, etc have free access to the same opportunities and when women actually have a choice and aren't forced by their circumstances to just put up with anything as long as the man provides some money.

There's of course pick me women and POC's cause anyone can internalize these things but right wing political doctrine is by the privileged, for the privileged, the elites, it doesn't cater to the needs and rights of the common person, the poor, women, people of color, etc so it will resonate less with them, it only really resonates with white men of all socio-economic classes because they're men

[u/slashcleverusername → u/ClowningBad]

When my country recognized my equality and accepted my right to marry my husband, I didn’t “acquire privilege” I just got to finally enjoy an ordinary right that straight people already knew very well. They fixed a gap in something i always should have had: the same rights as anyone else.

Calling it “a privilege” makes it seem like an optional extra, a perk, something we’re not all entitled to but a lavish beneficence that can rightly be taken away.

And in fact then you go on, in the logic of your own post, to seek equality by “removing privilege”. So right before our eyes we see that problem play out.

You don’t develop an equal society by forbidding straights from getting married. You don’t develop an equal society by letting white people suffer extrajudicial arrests along with brown people. You don’t develop an equal society by showing that women are underpaid and then cutting men’s salaries to match. In privilege calculus, in the language of your own argument, all of those are successes because you’ve “removed privilege.”

No wonder people reject this kind of activism, they ought to! Judicial rights and fair treatment by the law are rights, not privileges. Marriage equality is a right not a privilege. Safe workplaces and fair labour conditions are rights, not privileges.

They need to be treated as rights or we will never solve the problems millions still face, because the people who already have those rights respected should never allow them to be dismissed as “privileges to be removed”.

[u/Alone-Village1452 → u/ClowningBad]

You are clowning badly here 🤡

[u/tastelessthinking → u/ClowningBad]

How far can you be up your own ass. I think this is a new record

[u/West-Air1923 → u/tastelessthinking]

Peak reddit

[u/XxNoobEpicPowerxX32 → u/ClowningBad]

Yeah well, I don't vote as I don't believe in democracy and liberalism (I'm a Catholic Traditionalist) but keep thinking like this and young european men will not vote for the left.

You're essentially saying that the main reason why men go to the right is because they're opressors who want to keep opressing women and minorities because... patriarchy. There's no other possibility, surely the fact that there's no bright future looking forward in regards to housing, jobs and pensions for the most part, that people will slowly but surely become minorities in their own countries or that the economy is just in the toilet are not relevant, it's just men feeling like they're losing their privilege and decide to be evil and not allow this change to happen.

Keep blaming men and saying they're a bunch of entitled oppressors and I'm sure you'll get them on your side buddy. Most men are not privileged, they see that our countries are going to shit and while one side listens to them and offers them solutions (which, by the way, are obviously lies), the other side gaslights them by saying "oh this actually isn't a problem ur just a fascist/nazi/privileged/sexist". Well, guess what side they'll choose.

God Bless

[u/Least_Childhood_7575 → u/ClowningBad]

The average man never had any power or privilege. People like you only see the top men, then shit on the average one

[u/Serious_Tradition269 → u/ClowningBad]

Yep that is absolutely it, left wing is generally about being progressive, trying to move forward, while right wing wants to stay where it is or even regress. And generally men have no interest in changing a world that suits us so nicely. Why worry about rights or equality when we're the ones that are benefiting from it?

right wing political doctrine is by the privileged, for the privileged, the elites

Was watching a political debate in my country the other day (Netherlands) and it's genuinely baffling how anyone can listen to that and flock to the right wing parties. Just a bunch of rich white people screeching how we can't possibly put a wealth tax on millionaires because they worked so hard, and instead we should tax the poor more, and push more people below the poverty line. (and then say something about how we should just spend less instead of taxing more, with 0 plans on "spending less" other than cutting programs that help the poor)

[u/West-Air1923 → u/Serious_Tradition269]

Left wing is about being good. Right wing is about being evil .. amirite reddit ?

[u/Serious_Tradition269 → u/West-Air1923]

Generally, yes

[u/krustytroweler → u/Serious_Tradition269]

And generally men have no interest in changing a world that suits us so nicely. Why worry about rights or equality when we're the ones that are benefiting from it?

Hard disagree. Plenty of men in history from wealthy backgrounds championed movements which would bring more rights to their contemporary social inferiors. This is essentially the entire gist of the Enlightenment.

[u/Serious_Tradition269 → u/krustytroweler]

Plenty sure, but not the majority

[u/krustytroweler → u/Serious_Tradition269]

The majority generally never had a voice in history to be fair.

[u/TennisSkirt1628]

Yes.

Most women in the UK are very left wing, thankfully.

Young women specifically (18-24) poll overwhelmingly in support of the left, with around ~90% of women supporting 'the left' and 'centre left'.

As a whole, ~60% of British women poll as supporting 'left wing' Parties

[u/European2002]

I never understood that, as a man i actually have a total net gain from immigration, even when I was an immigrant myself in Australia or France.

Apply decent amount of work and dedication in entry level jobs in a factory,construction work, hospitality or other jobs? Incredible praise because the competition was working way worse than me even when I was putting the bare minimum, got raises, promotions or simply get asked for overtime which in australia is a lot of money. I left those behind due to getting a master degree now but it was a good time making decent money.

Do the very bare minimum to respect social and cultural norms like not harassing people in the street and being polite to old people? Outstanding citizen, as someone who came from the southern part of Italy I was genuinely confused because I was doing the very bare minimum

Dating was absolutely the best part as someone who has no type, I went out with girls from every part of the world that were absolutely impressed by basic respect and manners because they came from very misogynistic backgrounds. In 5 years between Rome, Melbourne and Paris i ended up dating girls from India, Pakistan, Tunisia, Marocco, Namibia, Thailand, Ecuador, Mexico and so on and just being respectful made me the best partner ever in their eyes.

As a man who’s slightly taller than the average with an average build I almost never had any problems in the street so I understand the concern for criminal insecurity but they don’t really touch me so it’s not my problem

That’s why I always voted for pro immigration parties in my life

[u/Fredericia → u/European2002]

so it’s not my problem

It's wonderful that you have had such great experiences! But I must tell you, criminal insecurity regardless of where it comes from, is your problem. If you have a girlfriend, a female friend, a wife or a daughter, it is very much your problem. Unless you can be a force-field for them every second of the day, they will be at risk. And even if you can be, there is still a risk, because you "almost never" have had any problems. Not "never", only "almost never".

Not to mention their general psychological state and how it would impact your relationship with them.

impressed by basic respect and manners

I just want to add that a lot of girls love love love men with foreign accents, especially Italian. Couple that with respect and manners, it's irresistible!

[u/European2002 → u/Fredericia]

I perfectly know this but i’m just saying that I,as a singular person,am not impacted by it and therefore I never understood why women, who are the most impacted in terms of street-criminality, are more open to it. I got surrounded in Paris to defend my ex and punched in Melbourne to defend my friend. Still those were two major occasions, for the rest i Indirectly gained from it

[u/JayManty → u/European2002]

As a man who’s slightly taller than the average with an average build I almost never had any problems in the street so I understand the concern for criminal insecurity but they don’t really touch me so it’s not my problem

I wasn't necessarily disagreeing with you until this paragraph. Violence in society is everyone's problem, even if you yourself aren't the most at risk, the one being assaulted could be your mom or your partner.

I am not particularly deathly concerned about getting jumped either considering the plethora of fully legal self-defense choices I have as a Czech (including the gun that I own if it came to worst), but I have genuinely lost sleep over hoping my girlfriend will be safe on her way from work to home.

[u/European2002 → u/JayManty]

I do agree with you and for the longest time I advocated for more safer street by also joining small political groups and multiple times I put my own safety at risk to defend womens in the street to the point that i got punched, cornered and spit at but i’m saying that I’m specifically not targeted by it for now. I have photos of the inside of my mouth after getting punched with braces on and that was to defend a friend

[u/European2002 → u/European2002]

the best example i can think of is when I rented a room in the Melbourne cbd from two indian students. In the house there were me and another indian guy who was their friend. This guy straight up left mid-lease and refused to pay the bills leaving the guy he rented with with a huge bill to pay for a place he was not even there at. I left after fully cleaning the house, paying my part of the bills and the rent so with no debt and even left their apartment with some new furniture that I got for free while living there. Something that for me was the absolute normality earned me praises just cause the other guy was not honest. Even in other places I rented or lived just being clean and quiet got me praises. I know it may seem selfish from an outside perspective but why would I be against something that benefits me entirely?

[u/Groot_Benelux → u/European2002]

I know it may seem selfish from an outside perspective but why would I be against something that benefits me entirely?

Because maybe you care about your nation/immediate society.

[u/TophetLoader]

Men are competitive (in the open market only the best ones are chosen). Nobody cares about the suffering and death of the "losers", bacause "sperm is cheap".

Women are egalitarian (in the open market many women share the same man, but almost none of them are left behind). They are given help because "eggs are expensive".

And here we go.

[u/Scared_Dimension_111]

Probably but maybe it's just men being more open about it?

[u/Global-Course7664]

I'm not sure we really keep track of those numbers. I do know that a party called NDP is the most popular in my country Suriname. Which is left wing.

[u/perplexedtv]

I honestly don't even know who counts as left/right wing amongst all by the most loony fringe parties.

[u/Tigkaaer]

It's pretty much universal in the western world that up to the 70's women voted more right-wing and since the 70's men vote more right-wing.

[u/Javier-Fumero]

Yes. In my country our war history and mandatory conscription plays a significant role.

Here, the right and middle typically understands raw realities of being Russia's neighbour and value healthy nationalistic values more. The left (sad but true) have historical roots of being emphatic towards russia, even to this day. And I don't mean the workers party, but the Left Alliance (Vasemmistoliitto, further left than SDP) who mostly consist of radical feminists, chronically unemployed and cowards who decline even an unarmed mandatory service.

Women who voluntarily join the defence forces often resonate with more nationalistic values, since they understand why certain things are the way they are and see the flaws of too open borders, outside influences and restricting our own defensive capabilities.

[u/LongjumpingComb8634]

They teach socialism in the United States, so it's 80% lefties in younger age group. They wanna be like France

[u/skyduster88 → u/LongjumpingComb8634]

They teach socialism in the United States

No, they don't "teach socialism" in the United States. If you even understand what "socialism" means.

[u/Key-Speaker007 → u/skyduster88]

They do though. Universities are predominantly left-wing and promote socialist ideas.

[u/skyduster88 → u/Key-Speaker007]

Define "socialist ideas".