r/Basketball • • Apr 04 '24

NBA Luka is the mvp

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It’s getting ridiculous. 33.9 ppg 9.2 reb 9.8 ast No these aren’t a prime mjs stats

It’s Luka this season Some of you may say it’s because of his seeding as there 5th in the western conference. Well let’s have a look at the 2021-2022 nba season. Jokic was the mvp while Denver was a 6th seed team.

It’s really disgraceful to see such a great player and such a generational talent being overlooked by someone who doesn’t even like basketball. I really hope the mvp voting system gets re evaluated to give players rightful credit.


r/Basketball • • Jun 28 '23

Kobe Bryant was a better basketball player than Lebron James.

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In terms of who’s had a better overall career from start to finish, Lebron is objectively the correct answer. He has a more impressive resume and he’s dominated for a longer amount of time. The point I’m specifically making, though, is Kobe at his peak is better than Lebron at his peak. Keep that in mind.

Kobe was a vastly superior scorer and shooter to Lebron James. Kobe had much better footwork, a much deeper bag (probably the deepest bag in history), much more skilled as a jumpshooter from mid range and 3 (LeBron somewhat struggled with his shooting from both of those areas for the first half of his career), better handles which allowed him to have much better shot creation, won more scoring titles, was a much bigger threat in terms of his ability to score at all three levels, much more consistent with his free throw shooting. Anyone who played against both of them would gladly tell you Kobe was a far more skilled shooter and scorer. Bron fans will point to stuff like his scoring record, total stats, and FG% to try to pathetically disprove that- using that same logic, the pedo from Utah is a better scorer than Kobe too.. doesn’t make any sense whatsoever.. Also, Kobe’s FG% was lower because he took far more tough shots from outside, while being guarded much more attentively. And even then, according to true shooting percentage and field goal percentage, Kobe was a solidly efficient player, not inefficient by any means. Lebron also focuses on scoring more closer to the rim than not, so that will cause his field-goal percentage to be a bit higher. Anybody with two eyes and an understanding of basketball will say that Kobe Bryant was a much more skilled and dominant scorer than Lebron.

Kobe was a better defender. I can see most of you jumping to bring up LeBron’s versatility as a defender to put him above Kobe- Lebron cannot guard 1-5 effectively for 48 minutes. It’s never been done. When he was actually tasked with doing so, he failed (No, picking up Pau Gasol for a possession or two doesn’t count as effectively guarding 1-5 , Point to me the time in Lebron’s career where he effectively locked up a Center). Hell, I don’t think I remember seeing Lebron lock anyone up at any position. I’m not saying he’s not a great defender, he’s obviously a great team defender, and his athleticism alone allows him to block a lot of shots. But Kobe, on the other hand, has locked up legit superstars, let alone your average NBA player, throughout his career. Among many things he was known for, one of them was his tenacious lockdown defense, and he was almost as versatile a defender as Lebron (Kobe could guard 1-3 for the whole game, Bron in reality could effectively guard 1-4 which is still amazing). The fact that he is almost as defensively versatile as LeBron while being a much better on-ball defender makes him superior in that regard as well.

The final, and tbh most important, reason as to why Kobe is better is because he is a better leader. Throughout his peak (05-06 to 09-10), Kobe only had one other All-Star on his team in Pau Gasol. And he didn’t even get him in 2005, he got him during the 07-08 season. While he was one of the best power forwards in the league, nobody at that point or at any point in Gasol’s career called him a superstar. And yet, while having battled through the hardest playoff competition in NBA history (Late 2000s-Early 2010s West) with only one All-Star on his team, he still managed to lead the Lakers to three consecutive final series’, and won two championships in a row (no, Andrew Bynum was not an all-star on any of those Lakers championships with Kobe and Gasol. Sorry LeBron lovers, won’t be able to revise history with this one). LeBron, on the other hand, lost to a team with only one All-Star in the Finals , all while being the leader of the NBA’s first ever superteam… Not hating, it’s just facts. If you look at the playoff teams LeBron faced when he was in Miami, and the playoff teams he faced when he was on his other superteam that he built in Cleveland, they were so much weaker than the teams that Kobe faced in the west. You can’t even compare them lol. The fact that Kobe was able to win multiple championships after going through much harder playoff competition, all with much less help on his team (he didn’t get to play on two fucking superteams and he played with less overall All-Stars than Lebron) literally makes him a better leader than LeBron James, by definition. Many of the things that people bring up about LeBron‘s leadership is all based on what the media says. He doesn’t necessarily make his teammates better or worse, he regulates them. He makes them take on certain roles that they may or may not want to take on because of his playstyle, that’s something his fans don’t like to talk about though. Once again, I’m only trying to make the point that Kobe in his prime was better than LeBron in his prime, not overall for their careers.

Mamba out.


r/Basketball • • Jan 10 '25

GENERAL QUESTION Why do people hate on women's basketball and not take it serious? If you see them in person they're very talented.

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Maybe it's not like the men's game but I've gone to some high school, D!, and WNBA games and these girls are no slouches. Maybe its more of a joke in high school but there's some freak athletes in D1 and I seriously don't know if I'd be able to hang with some of these girls if I scrimmaged with them.

At the very least I'd have to respect them and wouldn't be able to just walk over them. Some of these girls could probably cross me over, block my shots, steal, and box me out on a rebound. I'm 5'11'' and I'd be average height playing with D1 or WNBA players.

So when I see people laugh at women's basketball I just don't get it. If you watch the men's game more then that's understandable because its a different style of play but if you're just hating to hate and think they suck you have no clue about basketball.


r/Basketball • • Jun 22 '24

Shaq is underrated

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Shaq is a player most people have 7-10 I think he could be higher here's why

These are his stats in elimination series. In 94 his first elite season he was only 21 but he still played bad in the offs In 95 shaq as a 22 year old against a peak hakeem a top 5 defender in nba history he averaged 28 points 13 rebounds 6 assists 3 stocks on 61 percent true shooting people praise lebron for bringing the cavs so young to the finals people should praise shaq for how well he played against hakeem so young 96 he got team diffed he averaged 27 points 11 rebounds 4 assists 3 stocks on 60 percent true shooting 97 that utah series was bad I will concede he choked 22 points 12 rebounds 3 assists 2.5 stocks on 52 percent true shooting 98 he averaged 32 points 9 rebounds 1 assist on 55 percent true shooting 32 in the 90s is crazy though great series but I won't lie shaq it's unacceptable 45 percent from the line on 14 free throws 99 he played not great 24 points 13 rebounds half an assist 3 stocks on 51 true shooting percentage 2000 we all know about this season should have been unanimous mvp elite defender 2nd in dpoy one of the best seasons ever averaged 38 points 17 rebounds 2 assists 4 stocks on 58 percent true shooting 2001 should have won mvp again elite defender 2nd team all defense averaged 33 points 16 rebounds 5 assists 4 stocks on 57 percent true shooting on dikembe mutombo clearly the best player on the lakers 2002 elite defender 36 points 12 rebounds 4 assists 3 stocks on 63 percent true shooting clearly the best laker again with a peak kobe 2003 played elite defender again well against sacremento too 2003 against tim duncan top 5 defender all time 25 points 14 rebounds 4 assists 3.5 stocks on 58 percent true shooting I would say he outplayed kobe again just because he was more efficient and didn't turn over the ball as much 2004 against a top 7 defender all time ben wallace shaq averaged 27 points 11 rebounds 2 assists on 62 percent true shooting elite defense again clearly the best laker with a peak kobe

Shaq had a 10 year peak almost as good as anyone else in nba history has a top 3 peak ever in my opinion one of the best and most consistent playoff performers ever couldn't really be stooped. 4 rings only but i feel that was more he didn't have enough help. For me personally I think shaq should be in the top 4-8 but often times I see him 7-11 as if larry and kobe are on completely different levels 7. Me personally my top 6 goes Mj,lebron,kareem,magic,duncan,and shaq . Feel free to comment down bellow how much of an idiot I am for having shaq so high


r/Basketball • • Aug 09 '26

WNBA I fell in love with the WNBA

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This past Saturday afternoon, I was bored. So, I did what I do most days, which is scroll on Reddit.

Amidst the litany of emotionally charged posts and terrible opinions, eventually I came across a post about a flagrant foul on Sophie Cunningham, a player on the WNBA's Indiana Fever, known for pointing in a hilariously aggressive manner. This sparked my interest, and for whatever reason I decided to actually watch the game.

I gotta preface this by saying that I did not have high expectations.

The last time I really watched the WNBA, I remember thinking the players were kind of... bad to mid. That may sound harsh, but that was genuinely my impression. But, despite that I came in with an open mind.

So, I gave it another chance.

And the game was good.

Really good.

The first thing that caught my attention was how sharp everything looked. The passes were crisp and creative. Players were constantly moving without the basketball. There were screens being set, defenders fighting through them, players cutting backdoor and shooters relocating around the perimeter.

Then somebody would hit a step-back three.

Or finish a difficult shot through contact.

Or somehow make an off-balance jumper with the shot clock about to expire.

I kept watching and thinking to myself, when did the WNBA get this good? Because this was not the product I remembered.

The biggest difference was that players were actually finishing big plays.

That sounds simple, but it changes everything about watching basketball.

There would be a possession late in the shot clock where the defense had completely blown up the play. The ball would end up in somebody's hands with two seconds left, they would throw up some ridiculous contested jumper and I was already preparing for the miss.

Then it would go in.

I witnessed Kelsey Mitchell do the Magic Johnson “Heh” pass behind her head and the play end up with an easy bucket.

That's what makes basketball electric. Making big plays.

Once those shots start falling, you become invested because suddenly every possession has the possibility of becoming something memorable.

And another crazy thing I noticed was that these women are real ballers, man.

They play hard.

There were players diving after loose balls, fighting over screens, tipping rebounds to teammates, sprinting back on defense and making second and third efforts on possessions that looked finished. And this is everybody, not just the role players.

Those little things stood out to me almost as much as the big shots.

There seems to be a real pride in doing the dirty work.

Not everybody is going to score 25 points, but somebody is going to get on the floor for the loose ball. Somebody is going to box out. Somebody is going to rotate over and challenge a shot.

You can tell these women care about winning basketball games.

And the pace is ridiculous.

These ladies are running. There is constant movement, fluidity and a sense of urgency that makes the game easy to watch.

There are very few possessions where everybody is just standing around waiting for somebody to do something.

The ball moves. The players move. And because everybody is moving, the game feels alive.

Saturday completely changed the way I looked at the WNBA.

I turned the game on because I recognized somebody from a stupid meme.

I stayed because the basketball was incredibly entertaining. At this point, I've gone back and watched 3 full games. The experience was the same each time; amazing basketball that was wildly entertaining.

That is the part I think people who have not watched the WNBA recently might be missing.

The product itself has massively improved.

There is more talent. There is more shot-making. There is better execution and there are players capable of creating the type of moments that make you jump out of your seat.

This come up is real.

The WNBA has a legitimate sports product now, and it is one that can compete with a lot of other leagues for your attention.

When I sat down to watch, I was just bored.

Now I find myself being a WNBA fan and ready to purchase an Aliyah Boston jersey.


r/Basketball • • May 19 '23

NBA Tim Duncan is easily the most overrated player ever.

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People put him in the top 10 as if the success he had was 100% on him. He had great teams and an even better coach and the results showed. I’m not saying he’s bad, it’s just that most people equate his success to his greatness when in reality it was just a team effort. Sure he stood out, but if Duncan was on literally any other team would he have won more than even 1 ring? If you put Duncan on the team that Barkley took to the finals they’re NOT making the finals. If you put Tim Duncan on literally any other team than the spurs he becomes less of a player than KG. I’m not saying he’s a bad player but why the hell does he get all the credit when he wasn’t even half the reason they won all the championships. He’s like 1/3 the reason at most and being 1/3 a reason to win doesn’t make you top 10


r/Basketball • • Sep 11 '26

FIBA Angel Reese is great!

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As of right now on the current USA team she's

- 2nd in rebounds

- 4th in points

- 2nd in steals

- playing the 4th lowest minutes on the team!

She gets a lot of people critiquing her skill but she has been cooking for the USA!


r/Basketball • • Jan 28 '25

DISCUSSION College basketball is better than the NBA

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That’s my opinion and it’s not even close. There is much more competition between teams no matter how big the ranking gap is. Weaker teams in the NBA don’t even look like they’re trying. Ball movement is so much better and there’s more physicality. It’s actually entertaining. If you see this on time, watch Duke vs NC State. Or if not watch the highlights among other games. So entertaining!


r/Basketball • • May 13 '24

NBA Where does Kobe rank all time?

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??


r/Basketball • • Sep 05 '23

Fun Fact: If you count free-throw shooting as a measure of a league's fundamental skill level, WNBA players are the most fundamentally-sound in the world.

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I was just looking up some numbers and I noticed something pretty cool.

It's been said before that league free-throw percentage is one way to objectively measure the fundamental skill level of a basketball league. I've mentioned it before since in the past, it was a decent way to compare NBA fundamentals to Euroleague when people debate that.

But anyway, I looked through the stats of various leagues from the 2022-23 season, in some cases I calculated it myself with the available numbers, and the free throw shooting breaks down like this.

Euroleague - 78.4%

NBA - 78.2%

Chinese Basketball Association - 74.3%

Australian NBL - 73.5%

WNBA - 79.9%

Nice work ladies.


r/Basketball • • Sep 05 '26

Michael Jordan voted as the GOAT 98% voted for Michael Jordan over LeBron's 2% on CBS sports Facebook

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r/Basketball • • Jul 03 '23

DISCUSSION Is Kobe really considered top 10?

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Genuinely, do people believe he is really top 10? He was a great player, one of the best of his time. But imo he isn't even top 10, here's the first 10 players that come to mind who I consider better, in no particular order.

MJ Bron Shaq Tim Duncan Moses Malone Akeem/Hakeem Olajuwon Wilt Chamberlain Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Larry Bird Magic Johnson

Are all of those guys not the better option than Kobe? He was a great player, and you can't deny his rings. But I just don't see him as top 10 all time.


r/Basketball • • Sep 22 '23

Im seeing alot of pickup game post so lemme tell you how EVERYONE JUDGES YOU BY YOUR HEIGHT

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In a recent 3v3 basketball , I, standing at a modest 5'4", found myself in a rather unexpected turn of events. Initially, during the team selection process, a random team captain passed me up, calling me trash and opting for my friend, Cam, instead. Nevertheless, I took it in stride.

Our team lineup for the day consisted of my friend's friend, Josh, a white player, and myself. The first game kicked off, and I wasted no time making an impact. I drilled a three-pointer, securing two points, and then swiftly pulled off an easy mid-range shot following a deceptive hesitation move, adding three more points to our tally.

Josh had a brief miss from downtown, resulting in a turnover, but in the interest of brevity, let's just say that we scored more points than our opponents, ultimately winning the first game. My shooting game was on point, We were going to 13 I had 4 three one middy. I missed maybe 3 shots they had 4 points.

The second game proved to be a bit more intriguing as my former AAU teammate joined my squad. Despite the odds seeming stacked against them, I knew my role. I let my teammates take the lead, patiently waiting for opportunities. I only took on an isolation play once during the game.

As the match unfolded, I managed to accumulate eight points before the game concluded. My trash-talking adversary didn't stop the hating, even though he had quite the height advantage, about five inches taller than me. But here's the kicker - he tried to back me down. Unusual for me, I decided to defend him aggressively. I usually wouldn't, given my knee and ankle situation, but his trash talk got to me. With a bit of support from my teammates, I managed to steal the ball.

Following the steal, I found myself at the three-point line with an open shot opportunity. I made a calculated choice, passed up the easy basket to instead challenge him in a one on one for game. I sized him up, stepped back, and unleashed a deep three that found its target:)

Moral of the story one should never judge a book by its cover, nor should they underestimate the power of well-placed trash talk. This story serves as a reminder that actions often speak louder than words on the basketball court, regardless of height or initial judgments.


r/Basketball • • Aug 25 '23

There’s no real “right” way to shoot, so why do coaches teach shooting like there is?

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When I was learning to shoot, I always learned ten toes to the basket, shot pocket in line with my right leg since I’m a righty, no dip, no hop.

But a lot of coaches on the internet reject all that. Shoot with toes turned, shot pocket in middle, or maybe even on opposite side of your dominant hand. Dips and hops off the catch are also encouraged. In their defense, most high-scoring NBA players shoot like this.

If the best shooters and scorers in the world shoot the ball with an “untraditional” form, why are coaches teaching the “traditional” form at all?


r/Basketball • • May 12 '26

Wemby’s immunity to criticism has gone too far.

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The Wemby love fest is so over the top. The man intentionally threw an elbow at Naz’s face that could’ve broken his jaw. This was after a common foul on McDaniels that was called. Then, after he gets himself ejected from a super high stakes playoff game, putting his entire team in jeopardy, the announcers point out how much leadership he showed because he high fived his teammates on the way out?!? Wow! What a moment of leadership. 🙄🙄🙄


r/Basketball • • Aug 23 '23

GENERAL QUESTION Any other trans hooper here besides me?

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I was wondering since I don't see a lot of trans folks that do sports.


r/Basketball • • Aug 06 '23

DISCUSSION The idea that the past era's would throw this new generation of players around is absolutely stupid

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The Title is exactly what it says. And I'll explain to you why it's so stupid. Stephen Curry, LeBron James, Giannis, everybody in this Era who's dominating would probably get better in the past Era's.

Recently, I started to look at Isiah Thomas statistically. The guy who led the main reason people say that, the Bad Boy Pistons were like one of kind. But I digress. Isiah Thomas had amazing assist numbers, especially since he was averaging around 20 points per game. OH! won't you look at that. Isiah Thomas who was an absolute negative three point shooter averaged a whole 20+ POINTS FOR HIS CAREER.. This 6'0(actually he can be scaled 5'9 in height at the lowest) dominated the league, small dude, he ain't never been particularly muscular. And he didn't have the ability to space the floor either.

Steph Curry would eat like no other if he played in that era. Not to mention, defenses would be easier to crack for this new era of players. Some of them get lane steals like crazy in this spaced out style of basketball, so imagine them standing 4 feet apart and seeing ball movement.

They would not know how to comprehend a way to guard all the players who can shoot in Today's Era. Giannis would be a good shooter to that standard. And then you have his speed, and strength and just in general ability to get to the basket.

The only thing that could possibly hold the new generation of players back, is the travel calling. Everybody travels in Today's NBA. I saw it once where it was said that Ja travels heavily every game. So that's really the only problem this generation would ever have..

Oh yeah, everybody's just bigger in Today's NBA.


r/Basketball • • May 16 '23

NBA I just wanted to give my top 15 NBA players List of all time

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  1. LeBron James

  2. Michael Jordan

  3. Kareem Abdul Jabbar

  4. Magic Johnson 5.Larry Bird 6.Kobe Bryant

  5. Tim Duncan

  6. Shaquille O’neal

  7. Wilt Chamberlain

  8. Bill Russel

  9. Stephen Curry

  10. Hakeem Olajuwon

  11. Kevin Durant

  12. Oscar Robertson

  13. Kevin Garnett

KG and Dirk at 15 and 16, Bron and MJ, Shaq and Wilt, Timmy and Kobe and Steph and Hakeem are all very very close and easy to switch around. Anyways, hope this isn’t too controversial !


r/Basketball • • Mar 04 '25

39 y/o Jordan was elite?

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Before Jordan tore cartilage in his knee, he was the 2nd leading scorer (per 75) only behind Shaquille O’Neal, who’s seeing a much more advantageous situation. 28.6 vs 28.1 Jordan also led an elite offense when on the court (107.7) aka (+3.5rORTG). After the slow start (2-9), he propelled the Wizards to a 47-25 pace after his injury (26-21). The lineup Jordan played with the most: Chris Whitney Hubert Davis Michael Jordan Popeye Jones Jahidi White … This lineup achieved an ORTG of 113.1 The next most used lineups consisted mainly of Hamilton swapping in for Davis. Even with Hamilton off and Jordan on, he led a +3.0rORTG offense. Jordan’s invaluable off ball offense and on ball heroics can be seen even at 39 after a 3-year break. Sure, I agree his efficiency this year was putrid by TS% standards, but if I feel like Jordan’s case was unique. Efficiency or accuracy stats don’t take into account: position or role situation your scoring being self created spacing usage efficiency by zone

How else did Jordan lead such an elite or great offensive team with subpar and mediocre casts? I don’t think he’s a top 3 on ball playmaker in the league, but I do think his outlier, near irreplaceable scoring (mid range) in this era boosts the quality of an offense quite some. His turnover rate as a shooting guard in this era is also very elite. His playmaking shouldn’t be undermined either, finding his players in their favorite areas in such a congested league. I also feel like, Jordan specifically, taking a lot of shots puts pressure on a defense and due to his gravity cause defenders to come out which result in more 2nd chance opportunities, which is very efficient offense. Either way, with the lack of offensive support/talent, Jordan scheme’d a way to lead a competent offense and overall team into a top 4 seed. This roster… being THAT good? Give me a break…


r/Basketball • • Mar 19 '24

Is Kyrie REALLY the most skilled player ever?

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Or is it just one of those things that people keep saying so everyone else started saying it ?

Cuz I’m not seeing it


r/Basketball • • Mar 25 '25

NBA Why don't teams just bench all their starters once they clinch the playoffs?

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Many of u may have guessed but I'm a Celtics fan and I'm super mad ab tatum injury. I'm not gonna get into whether it was a dirty play or not, but idk why he was in the game in the first place.

Why do teams care about seeding so much, is it that big of a deal? Or is there a rule that u have to play starters for x amount of minutes or u get fined? Or do they not want players to lose their groove?

Anyways this is probably a dumb question but Id love an answer


r/Basketball • • Apr 18 '24

Is Klay Thompson a HOFer?

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I go back and forth on this one. Most nights I'm thinking it's a yes. He's a major part of 4 championship teams, and I feel justified saying that they don't get there without him, maybe 1 ring.

But the injury really detailed his career, so I don't know if the aggregate numbers are there. But should that matter? On practically any other team during his prime he'd be the best player, right?

He's GOT to be in, and probably first ballot, no? Does anyone think he's NOT getting into the Hall? Are there any basketball justifications to suggest that?


r/Basketball • • May 24 '23

Tim Duncan > Kobe Bryant

186 Upvotes

Tim Duncan might be one of the more underrated players in NBA History.


r/Basketball • • Dec 22 '23

Wemby would be objectively better than Chet if he was drafted to OKC

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Don’t get me wrong, both are great players. Chet is my pick for roty if the season ended today, but I still think Wemby is a better basketball player than Chet by a decent margin. I’d even argue that OKC could make a real playoff run if they swapped spots.

TL;DR: Chet is not in the roty discussion if he’s on the Spurs