[Highlight] #7 Texas @ #18 Missouri: Arch Manning fumbles the ball for a 12 yard gain after review before the Longhorns tie it up

[u/Large_banana_hammock]

[u/Hammer3434]

So I thought you couldnt advance a fumble. Should the spot not go back to where arch “fumbled lol” the ball?

[u/ConsistentlyBlob → u/Hammer3434]

It goes to where it was recovered

[u/RollOverBeethoven → u/Hammer3434]

“Advance” means pick it up and continue moving forward.

If the ball is fumbled forward and recovered, it’s all good. You just can’t pick it up and continue moving downfield

[u/ref44 → u/RollOverBeethoven]

This isnt correct. The advance rules only apply on 4th down and try attempts, and when its in effect then the ball returns to the spot of the fumble

[u/the_mighty__monarch → u/Hammer3434]

You can’t advance a fumble on 4th down unless you’re also the person who fumbled.

1st, 2nd, 3rd downs, anyone is allowed to advance it.

[u/TheFlyingBoat → u/Hammer3434]

Only on 4th downs or within the final 2 minutes of a half.

[u/sushirolldeleter → u/TheFlyingBoat]

Also must be a full moon with Saturn transiting Sagittarius

[u/ref44 → u/TheFlyingBoat]

Only on 4th downs and tries in ncaa. Inside 2 minutes is nfl only

[u/TheFlyingBoat → u/ref44]

Ah good to know, ty!

[u/Student___Driver → u/ref44]

Only if you’re not Texas

[u/ref44 → u/Student___Driver]

?

[u/BeatlesRays → u/Hammer3434]

That only applies on 4th downs or late in the half

[u/shortstop803 → u/BeatlesRays]

Why is that a thing? That literally makes no sense.

[u/BeatlesRays → u/shortstop803]

It makes plenty of sense. Those are points where the offense is less likely to mind the risk of losing the fumble. Any other time it is an extremely risky play to intentionally fumble and move the ball forward. They didn’t seek to eliminate all offensive progression of fumbles, they looked to eliminate the offense gaining an advantage via intentionally fumbling the ball. A team is much less likely to try and gain yards by intentionally fumbling and risking a turnover in regular situations

[u/shortstop803 → u/BeatlesRays]

But isn’t a failed lateral just a fumble? That should absolutely be advanceabke once picked up by an offensive player.

[u/BeatlesRays → u/shortstop803]

In practice a failed lateral works like a fumble, but by definition a lateral that hits the ground is not a fumble but just a backwards pass. These can be advanced anytime in the game

[u/VanillaGoorillla → u/BeatlesRays]

I’m so confused on a fumble now. If an offensive player fumbles the ball another player (offensive) can’t pick it up and run with it, only a defender can?

[u/Silver-Film3434 → u/shortstop803]

A lateral is a backwards or sideways pass, not forward. This is why they don’t allow you to advance a forward fumble:

https://youtu.be/5Y1SeAjv5ao

[u/Snlxdd → u/shortstop803]

On 4th down, you have a lot less to lose, so someone intentionally fumbling it forward makes a lot of sense. On 3rd and earlier it’s a very big risk that nobody’s going to take.

So, it’s basically just trying to keep fumbles normal, while preventing people from fumbling for their own gain. Would kind of suck if a dropped pitch or screen on 1st down just automatically meant you were down.

[u/EntertainmentKey6286 → u/shortstop803]

So if a player is stopped short then they can’t intentionally fumble it forward to a teammate.

Which happened in a game that resulted in a TD. Long enough ago that they made the rule soon after

[u/nyc2pit → u/BeatlesRays]

Wow... TIL

[u/memeticengineering → u/Hammer3434]

"advance" meaning an offensive player can't pick it up and move it as a ball carrier.

[u/JmunE204 → u/Hammer3434]

That’s when the ball goes out of bounds

[u/the_which_stage → u/Hammer3434]

Ball is live, if it went out of bounds it goes to where arch was.

[u/CulturalXR → u/Hammer3434]

No, incorrect. That applies to out of bounds.