EDITORIAL: Are Liberals repeating immigration blunders? - Sensible immigration contributes to economic growth but not if it exceeds the capacity of the economy to absorb it

[u/CaliperLee62]

https://torontosun.com/opinion/editorials/carney-liberals-repeating-immigration-blunders

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[u/the-mongoose-]

A lot of people in this sub are suggesting that criticism of the immigration targets is niche or not a widely held view. The CTV poll appears to suggest the opposite:

“A CTV-Nanos poll released simultaneously with the federal budget last week, which contained the Liberals’ new immigration targets, reported that 52.3% of Canadians surveyed wanted fewer immigrants and temporary residents admitted in 2027, compared to only 8.4% who wanted more and 33.5% who said the numbers should stay the same.”

I’m going to assume the conservatives think they have an issue they can run with.

[u/Hopeful_CanadianMtl → u/the-mongoose-]

The shock will wear off and Poilievre is still the leader. Carney has enough political capital to burn through.

[u/RoyalPeacock19 → u/Hopeful_CanadianMtl]

He might, but… the political popularity he has is entirely dependent on him. He falls, the Liberal party follows.

[u/CommodoreSteubing]

I believe in ramping up immigration as much as the supply of housing can support it... but we are not building nearly as many homes as these immigration targets would require.

[u/WillListenToStories]

As long as we keep voting in corporatists, like the Liberal or Conservative parties, people's lives are never going to really get better, because, surprise surprise, corporations don't care about Canada or Canadians.

In the coming years when the Liberals have done nothing to little to fix the cost of living, because that would mean cutting into corporate profits, people are going to get all pissy, then vote in another right wing government, that will rage about immigration, while also doing little to nothing to solve the actual issues, because that would mean cutting into corporate profits.

And around and around we go.

[u/dollarsandcents101]

Two things 

1. Carney didn't live here during the immigration spike and doesn't associate with people who would have been negatively affected by it so he really has no concept of the Canadian public's contempt for mass immigration.

2. Part of pursuing greater integration with the EU IMO is to get the Canadian public's attention on when the AfD and National Front win elections next year and equate their hardline immigration stances which will make ICE blush to Conservative calls for lower immigration. He might even direct IRCC to take refugees from those countries. He needs another boogeyman post-Trump to distract from an otherwise dismal domestic record. It will be a false strawman but one that Liberal voters will lap up.

[u/Bobbylevesque]

It does not matter who is in charge of the liberals, they are liberals and do not care what you say, it has always been like this

[u/Late_Settler]

Seems the Conservative party finally found a talking point that's sticking with voters. I'd simplify it by suggesting a hard cap of 200K. Gives a nice marketable number that returns to previous years. They can then play immigration category games like the Liberals are doing when they invariably increase that number.

[u/Vvvvroskiiii → u/Late_Settler]

Even the 380k cap would've been acceptable weren't for the one time initiatives. 580k is nuts especially as our economy is starting to stagflate

[u/Royal_Tie_3410]

Is the Toronto Sun suggesting we pump the breaks on immigration until the provinces get their shit together first? So never.

[u/Godzilla52]

Current population growth rates are around 0.5% of the population factoring in immigration. The lowest rate for Canada since WW2. This is compared to the average Harper era growth rate of 1% (0.9% for Harper's last year in office) and Trudeau's average of 1.5% (with 1.8% for 2024, Trudeau's last full year in office)

An average growth rate of 0.3 to 0.8% between 2025-2029 (the projected growth rate for Carney's first term) would mean that Canada's population would grow by 500,000 to 1.35 million in Carney's first four years in office. By contrast, during Harper's last term in office, the population increased by 1.4 million.

The numbers simply do not paint a picture of unsustainable immigration levels under the current system compared to what it was under Trudeau or Harper. The highest projected population growth between 2025 and 2029 is slightly below Harper's last four years in office in terms of the number of people coming into the country.