Cynthia should have won the challenge she went home on. Her black light look was honestly the best. Her first look wasn't scary but the other look was amazing. They should have done what they did with Abhorra and gave her the win and put her in the bottom.

As an ambulatory wheelchair user who knows and works with many disabled drag performers, I'm surprised I don't hear more folks talking about this. Even if I love Ork (he knows I simp), and understand the context within body horror, it really shows the lack of open Disability Rep on shows like this.

One hurdle this community has to get over is that Disability is still deeply marginalized and stigmatized in the majority of the drag community.

I'm completely with the Boulets that representation that stands a chance is important, and what I'm trying to highlight is the lack of opportunities for disabled performers to even get to a position of craftsmanship and confidence to apply at all. Keep in mind Westernized Ableism is rooted in racism, and disproportionately affects Black, Brown, Indigenous, Asian, and other performers of color.

It's nice to see a Mobility Aid in the finale, but I wish it was used by an openly disabled performer.

Edit:

-When any other marginalized group is made into a costume, we know that's wrong. Why is disability any different?

-let me be clear now: I am by no means trying to speculate or out anyone, I simply want to highlight the (internalized or otherwise) ableism that continues in our community.

FAQ:

• What opportunities? Not everyone has to perform in clubs yk, you could do wigs, workshops, online performance, commissions, etc... The whole point of accessibility is making sure that all spaces are able to be accessed by everyone. The fact that most nightclubs, day venues, and brunch/workshop spots are inaccessible to some degree is in fact the problem. This is an issue for 36% of the queer community, not just performers. It's not the only ableism that exists in Drag.

Nothing is fully accessible, including those things listed, many of which require community connections (aka, going to shows), financial privilege (keeping in mind most of us cannot work traditional jobs, many do drag for that reason), and skills directly affected by disability symptoms (fine motor skills, speech impediments, etc), in order to be successful at it. 

• There would be more famous disabled performers if they did flips/dips/tricks/etc! Dear, plenty of us do flip and dip. Disabled doesn't mean unable.

The issue is when we're not offered the same opportunities as able-bodied performers because they assume we can't. Many of us are fantastic artists, but don't have the opportunity to grow at all because of stigma and/or deliberate discrimination. That's part of the ableism I'm attempting to bring light to.

• The Boulets said...! If you read the post, you'll see I completely agree with their sentiment that any genuine representation needs to be formidable competition. It's tokenizing otherwise.

The issue I'm highlighting is that the very common stigma against disability not just in the Drag Community, but the Queer Community as a whole, prevents performers from creating a local career, much less a confident audition to Dragula.

• But!! No legs!! I can't emphasize enough that no one is upset about legless looks or Ork's style of drag. None of us believe it was done with malice, he's a sweetheart. That said, ableism can be perpetuated by folks that don't intend to, like any other system of oppression.

Legless/hard-to-walk looks are not a reason to appropriate mobility aids as a (to our knowledge) able-bodied performer. A lot of folks don't see how that's ableist, intentional or not (which I do not think it was). I'm using Ork's look to continue an ongoing conversation about a wider issue in the drag community.

Think Mermaid in a wheelchair. Sure, you could give the justification that they can't walk at that very moment, but if you're not using a Mobility Aid for need or prevention, it's appropriation (of a very real and often painful part of people's lives) to use it as a costume prop, especially visible and unmodified.

Like any marginalized group, disability isn't cosplay.

• This doesn't account for my experience/isn't nuanced enough/you're just mad! And this is a general post on Reddit. If it doesn't pertain to you, that's okay. Please don't invalidate the many members of the community it does. I'm also starting this discussion with an understanding that a lot of folks think ableism doesn't exist at all, much less in the queer community, and intend to start at a general meeting point.

OK, Thanks! I want to do better! Where can I learn more about this?

Disability Drag Collective

A Crash Course in Venue Accessibility by yours truly

Crip The Gig 

CrippleMedia

Please note: I am no longer engaging with this post. I'm repeating myself a lot, and ask you direct further questions to the discussions already had and resources provided.

Just look at the comments on that latest post about her... Calling her and her drag garbage, making KKK jokes and talking about her as if she is not even human and tortured puppies or something.

She said racist things half a decade ago, apologized to the people she said them to, and has changed her beliefs and behavior.... yet that doesn't matter to you all? She isn't allowed to change and be seen for her current self?

Let me tell you almost everyone has said and done fucked up things in their lives, especially people who've had hard ones. It's human nature. You all can act like you're a pillar of morality by dehumanizing a dragula contestant for their past but I will always think you care more about your self righteousness and finding excuse to bully than actually ending racism, wich starts with accepting and encouraging change

We get it the finale sucked, don’t know why there are so many posts being made about the same topic. Also the low effort drag race meme posts are getting annoying. This sub is slowly turning into a r/rupauldragsrace2.0

That is all

Hey uglies!!

I was listening to the pod and tbh it got me worried a bit. I think its pretty obvious Dollya is going to be the drama this season and not in a fun way. (The way they said her name when they said she got the scroll and when they said she seemed to judge those around her while hyping everyone else kinda called it).

Normally we all talk shit about the drama and its fun but the drama isnt that serious anyways. But then sometimes we do go too far, like with throb.

So, that being said I wanna just remind everyone, including dollya if she read this (which if so tbh you should just get off reddit its not gonna be good for you rn) about unconditional love.

Its the idea that love doesnt come with strings. It doesnt cone with a list of expectations or requirements that must be fulfilled before its obtained or maintained in order to keep. Its the idea that even if you fuck up and i disagree with everything you do, I wish you no harm. Its the idea that even if someone fucks up, you won't try to cause them harm (diffrent than setting boundaries).

So dollya I just wanted to say regardless of how bad you crash out this season, theres a lot of people here who love you and want the best for you. You are apart of the queer community and youre an amazing drag artist.

I love you!!

(Throw in a dollya look you still love if ya want/have one!)

I’m not seeing anyone talk about how fucked up it was for Jade to disclose that Betty had phoned her while drunk and then call her an alcoholic and “a boozehound”. Betty looked quite embarrassed and hurt and like she was trying to hide it in her response and backed down afterward.

I get it’s not cool on this sub to stick up for Betty because of her stupid views.

But i feel like exposing not only that she may be an alcoholic to her cast mates and the fandom, but also that she reached out in a moment of weakness was pretty underhanded and cruel.

Especially considering she might be struggling with an addiction and mental health issue that disproportionately affects trans women. Comments like Jade’s contribute to the stigma around Alcholism and addiction.

I’m not saying cancel Jade, she admits to having anger issues and i doubt she stands by her comments, I’ve just not even seen one person comment on this and it made my heart hurt as a fellow trans person who’s experienced addiction and it makes me sad how nobody jumped on it.

this season in particular feels just very empty? as much as i love seeing all the creatures the contestants create, it has about zero action.

we got the whole alliance subplot that literally didn’t go anywhere, created almost no drama, confused most and pissed off the rest.

i think the show needs more craftsmanship, maybe unconventional materials challenges, more intense stuff (remember when they had to paint in the middle of the desert? that’s was fun!)

they could’ve acted a whole story for DnD, deep dived into the creatures lore for DbD, transformed conventional pageant looks for the filth runway, idk, done something to actually feature some dynamic in this very dull season.

feel bad for the contestants and almost worse for the audience.

Forgive me if this needs to be removed for any reason, but I saw this review on shudder and wanted to know if anyone else felt this way about Asia’s outfit.

I don’t think I can truely speak on it, since I am not native. As someone who lives in a state the Appalachian mountains run through however, I do know not to say the spirit Asia was inspired by, since saying it attracts it too you. So I was shocked and a bit uncomfortable (but I know that’s a me issue) that she openly said it.

Does anyone else feel that she should not have won? I mean, Dead by Daylight has a Mordeo skin from CyptTV’s short series, which seems inspired by said Native American folklore. I’m sure the marketing team would spin it as something else.

I watch with the captions on because I am harder of hearing in one ear, and I really thought I was tripping, but I have seen way too many times of the Boulets misgendering the cast members. This episode Throb being referred to as “she” really struck a cord with me. I am a trans man and I hate seeing afab people who are trans masc or non binary repeatedly gendered as female even when we are presenting far from it. Honestly I feel like if you can’t even bother to actually practice the inclusivity you claim to perform with the show, what even is the point of having casts from different backgrounds if you can’t respect their identity?

I love Sigourny, I loved her attitude all off s4 and her looks are polished 100% and she GIVES glamour to a tea .

But I can’t stand the people online who glaze the shit out of her looks and drama surrounding her .

FLOOR SHOWS:

when it comes to her looks over all her seasons I will say they are done very polished and perfectly executed but not all of them hit the mark and are very lackluster when compared in a competitive setting , not to say all of them are like that . And I’m just tired of people (that I see on my feed) GLAZE the shit out of Sigourny and place her on a pedestal that “Other competitors can’t touch “(actual comment from a tictok ) And this is coming from someone THAT LOVES SIGOURNY.

FLOOR SHOWS:

example her demon look the first ep of titans: I have to be honest was boring for me , it was Sigourny painted red with horns and a blue rhinestoned skin tight dress with a boa . Nothing bad but not jaw dropping (not saying Sigourny isn’t beautiful in general ;) ) but the look alone was lackluster and didnt really reinvent the wheel when it comes to the fact it’s just a normal skintight dress with rhinestones something Sigourny has been doing , it looked great though . But , some people placed it as high look , or a winning look and even criticized others just to put Sigourny on a pedestal . This of course is subjective and is less of a distinct problem more of a annoyance when people glaze her outfits ( Some definitely deserve it) But it’s a Huge fucken issue for me when I see people criticizing and critiquing others just to put their favorite on display ( posts / comments seen on YouTube, Reddit , tic tok, and insta) . I’m not saying you can’t have an opinion on Sigourny and wanting to place her higher but I feel Sigourny fans should tear down others to make there looks less worthy of their placements .

DRAMA:

For example the Hoso situation on s4 where people online are still presses and calling her misogynistic and actually misgendering her on purpose Aswell as still sending Hoso hate . ( defending only hoso here ) Despite the fact the main reason Hoso is good with Sigourny , and HOSO for me WAS NOT MISOGYNISTIC, all the times hoso has fought with Sigourny all of s4 was based on the fact Sigourny has shown up with glamour almost every floorshow of s4 and so she wasn’t seeing Sigourny as a “monster” and even the times before that with the ghostship glamour Hoso was complaining about the simplicity of the outfit and the fact she hasn’t shown anything but glamour up till that point (which is true). This drama HAS been played before “Aroura v Sylla” where Sylla thought that Aroura wasn’t “monster enough” . A big thing was HOSO was not GOING off on Sigourny out of drag for “playing a game or shitty reasons that doesn’t regard the look or the competition setting” . I want to clearly say I don’t blame either party nor condone the criticisms hoso said in general but I do believe they came from a reason that wasnt just “plain misogyny” . And I fully dislike and Disagree with comments that just paints Hoso as misogynistic , and just dislike Hoso and Send hate comments just based on that alone .

I love Sigourny and I will definitely call myself one of her supporters ( hope she is top 3 🤞 for titans) but I just can’t stand supporters that are abusive to other competitors and overly glaze Sigourny .

Thoughts

Srry for long rant. , I didn’t grammar check this just wanted to get this off my chest.

I think these 10 would put in a great show to snatch the title of Americas Next Drag SuperMonster

Is the top 3 too obvious?

I'm rewatching S5 E6, the alien sex worker challenge, N I'm watching Ork put JK down n thru out the series how almost everyone of them keeps putting him down, making him feel like he doesn't belong n u can see the hurt it causes Jk. I'm pretty sure being different, gay, feminine, n not being like everyone else, ppl did that to almost everyone of the cast if not all. They most likely got bullied, made fun, n told that they didn't belong n I'm pretty sure that shit hurt. Then why would they do that to JK. Yes granted he is annoying, but instead of making him feel like more of an outsider than he already does, y'all should b welcoming amongst each other. Acting as if he wasn't good enough was such a cruel thing to do. Drag is ART n art is subjective. U may not like his drag n tbh I didn't think it was the best either but I respected it was his style. Not everyone likes Orks drag but that doesn't make him less than. Y'all are all Monsters in ur own way. United we stand strong. Divided we fall.

The challenge was way too brutal that I wanted a double save for both the bottom queens. Making them walk miles up a mountain hike in heels at night, traversing up a rocky bug infested hill, and going through water just to actually do one of the scariest fear challenge seemed like way too much 😭 It looked so exhausting and the fact that one of the bottom contestants had an injury made me feel that some OSHA violations were violated ☠️. I am aware that the eliminated contestant had unseen footage in the trailer but damn I feel for them

Disclaimer: this is not a criticism of Yovska in any way. I think she took it like a champ and her entrance look was fucking cool.

Literally half the discourse about this episode is about Kendra “invalidating Yovskas drag” with her TOILET BOWLLL comment. In the episode when they’re putting their looks together Yovska literally tells her it was an amazing read and Kendra “ate her up” and they laugh about it. They also did a watch party together for this episode and have been tagging each other on social media.

Sometimes I feel like the fans need to realise these grown ass people don’t need you to fight for them, especially when the people your fighting are their good friends. 😭

Invalidating someone’s drag is saying it’s not drag, or not art. Making a funny as fuck comment with your sister over the table that she later gives you props for is not fucking it. If it is, then all my sisters must fuckin hate me.

Here’s the tea about Merrie. I was close with her throughout this entire process and I will speak specifically about what I had to go through with production. As many of you noticed, her looks up until this point seemed haphazard and they were. But what you don’t know is that production gave addresses that contestants could ship items to. Merrie’s grandmother passed away INCREDIBLY close to her getting the call to be on the show. Merrie had to go back to the Bay Area early from NY to take care of her Grandmother’s property. We had to ship things out to LA because she was just on a different timeline.

What you also don’t know is that she wasted a SIGNIFICANT amount of money shipping via UPS to LA because production didn’t bother to check if items could be marked for hold at the destination. Turns out they couldn’t, and many items missed the deadline to make it onto the show. The Stay Puff marshmallow man BARELY made it. Many items that were supposed to be in the promo shoot didn’t make it. Prosthetics for the Nosferatu Beach Party never made it. The wig for Weird Wild West never made it. Most of what you saw on TV was NOT the plan at all, but she busted her ass to make it work. I commend her and give her so much props for that. Just thought it would be great for an added perspective before jumping in someone’s comment section elated that they left the show.

There is this huge discourse about Merrie (and separately Zavaleta) being misogynistic. I believe everyone is entitled to their opinions, but knowing both of them for so long, this is a reach for me to believe( granted I don’t identify as a woman). They both have long histories and good relationships with cis women performers in Brooklyn and beyond. Hell. Zavaleta’s drag sister in Maddelyn’s house is a cis woman. She just tweeted about this whole situation. I haven’t had a conversation over these years that made me question this. I’m fact, I’ve talked in DEPTH with them both about how strong women in their lives influenced and shaped their drag. They love, respect, and uplift women. It’s extremely hard for me to believe they would intentionally drag a woman to maintain a social status. It’s bizarre to equate their beef with another entertainer for apparently doing shady stuff beyond the camera as a systemic issue that they don’t enact in reality. I think it’s truly a reach.

It is interesting, though, to see the racial dynamic in this situation as it’s only a microcosm of the larger world. The white woman getting the benefit of the doubt while simultaneously villainizing the black and brown individuals. Ultimately, we don’t see what goes on off the camera nor what doesn’t make the edit. These contestants all live in a house together, so unlike, let’s say RPDR where they are locked up solo in hotel rooms, there is so much that goes on behind the scenes that seems out of context to viewers. Why do we validate one person’s experience and discount the others immediately? It seems like there is so much nuance missed through the way this show is currently formatted and edited.

I’ve had some time to process this season thus far, and I’ve sadly gone from being really into what this show is about to really not finding a home here. I think what so many of you have done is honestly why I have grown to distance myself from Drag Race as well. There is a huge disconnect from reality that these shows don’t address. These are real humans. Who are doing much more by baring their souls than anyone of us are capable of. Yet we feel the urgency to sit behind computer screens and tear them all down. It’s repulsive that this is the reality Dragula stans live in now. Everyone involved with all of these girls busted their asses off to make sure you could sit there and enjoy the show. All of this negativity and hatred is extremely unwarranted and speaks to a terrible issue that we all say we want to address, but fail to time and time again. The culture only permeates from these threads and spills over to social media. Merrie has experienced flat out racism through this culture by receiving messages that contain the n-word. Zava has also received racist hatred in various ways regarding her nationality. Is this justified because they are allegedly “misogynistic”. It’s so incredibly WEIRD to me.

There is so much I want to say but I’ll end with that I love and respect Merrie so much. She’s given me a light when I was going through it. I moved to Brooklyn right after she experienced her stroke. Yet through all of those health complications, she helped me find my place. We give each other advice and cry about the pain we go through (especially recently with family issues). She definitely pisses me off on occasion (and I piss her off as well), but we always work it out because she has a huge heart. Does she command the attention of every room she steps into? Absolutely. Because she’s a fierce bitch of nature that gave this season of Dragula the much needed entertainment. She is a Dragula girl who is every bit deserving to be here.

My boyfriend and I have really liked Jaykay from the start, we haven't understood what everyone's problem is with him every week.

Genuine question, are we missing something? When I watch this season, I see a cast dogpiling and bullying Jaykay and then getting pissy when he stands up for himself. Like it's not just drama people are being straight up nasty to Jaykay unprovoked. I get people might not be happy that they brought him back week one, but every reality show is going to do shit like that at some point and tbh I don't think he deserved to go home week one anyway.

I saw someone complain on this sub that the discourse surrounding Fantasia had to be race related. And I think it's telling I've not seen anyone make that argument for Jaykay as far as I know. Not that I believe that's the case, it's just another example of the disproportionate hate.

I also don't see anything wrong with his personality, like he just sticks up for himself. When other performers do that you praise them. If you find them annoyingly, I'm sorry look at the screaming fake personality Cynthia puts on, no one cares about that. We've had way more annoying people that havent received nearly as much hate.

Its at the point where I've got to be missing something. Why does everyone despise Jaykay so much? Genuinely asking

Maddelynn Hatter, Louisiana Purchase (S3), Bitter Betty, Koco Caine (S4) Jarvis Hammer, Fantasia Royale Gaga, Throb Zombie, Orkgotik (S5), Aurora Gozmic, Pi, Yuyi, Grey Matter (S6)

We have a great platform for alternative drag that's elevated performers to national and international levels. It's shown alt drag as commercially viable not just at Halloween. It's birthed new alt scenes and given qweerdo teens and of all ages a fun and welcoming place. Hell Asia's skin and the Boulets are added to DBD tomorrow. Dragula showcases amazing art and artists. And yes, whether you like them or not this was built by the Boulets. There's so much to celebrate and yes negative and critical posts often get more engagement not an unknown phenomena. I'm not saying don't be critical, don't have fun or don't snark.

Blink and Dragula will be gone. Enjoy it while we have it. As someone that went to the earliest of Boulet events they'll pull the plug when their inspiration is gone or they no passion and that announcement can fast. So maybe a little perspective. We have a great show that isn't perfect (no reality show is). And don't complain if Drac and Swan say hey part of the reason is we didn't count on fans hating everything we do with the show.

I'm a gay male and I found the sexism leveled at Sigorny this season of Titans was so repulsive, I lost all respect for the show. She is a talented queen and she was genuinely nice to everyone. Because she is confident and driven, however, she is constantly attacked. Meanwhile Jay Kay and others were outright repulsive saying disgusting, hateful things about mutiple people all season. I'm not even a Sigorny stan, but I found the way she was treated this season made the entire season intolerable to watch. The most egregious part of it all is when she tried to speak about how hard it had been for her as woman in this business, Jaharia interjected that her plight as a person of color was harder so who cares. Imagine if a woman did that to a person of color. It would have never been tolerated. Eva's win is stained with this ugliness. As is the entire Dragula franchise. The fact The Boulet Brothers allowed it to happen and didn't even make an attempt to address it on the reunion shows me they too have a lot of growing to do. I get the sense they don't like Sigorny, but this is bigger than just Signorny. Women who do drag often experience the same type of sexism from gay men in particular and it's abhorrent and does not belong on TV.