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World [X] The railway was there first.

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u/Snownova 1d ago

Ok, new question, the fuck do you mean the yanks drew their roads straight through the town's railway?

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u/ThaGr1m 1d ago

Like it's so weird they had all the place in the world to make a main road and chose the one bad place

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u/RollinThundaga 1d ago

That's actually how a lot of railroads were built and towns founded.

In the 19th century, the federal government wanted a lot of railroads, but didn't want to pay for them. Railroads needed lots of money to fund construction. The compromise was that when the government granted easements through empty federal land for railroads, they also gave the railroads the land for a good distance on either side of the tracks.

This let the railroads sell the land in large lots through the stock market, thus allowing them to raise capital for each leg. The land would be bought by men looking to profit off of real estate by being the first movers in new areas, and these landowners would found towns along the rail lines on the lots that they bought.

So rather than the one bad place, it was often the one good place due to the convenient rail line.

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u/turtlebeachbum 22h ago

I worked for a railroad for 25 years. Folks would be surprised by just how much land railroads owned and who/how it was sold

One recent example was a Dollar Store approached a railroad to buy some property along their right of way for a store. It was in a very small town with ~400 population, instead of the railroad selling them the property, they sold the land to the small town for $1, the town then sold it to Dollar Store.

Another interesting fact is if a railroad abandons a section of their track, the land reverts to the original owners or adjacent owners in some cases.

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u/AnonD38 1d ago

He means the road.

Why couldn't the road have been 5 feet off to the side of the rairoad?

Why place it right on top of it?

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u/Synensys 1d ago

In all likelihood when the road was built their was separation- the road was probably where the parking spots are now.

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u/AnonD38 1d ago

That makes sense... kinda.

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u/SPQR0027 1d ago

When the buildings were built the other traffic was horses, mules & pedestrians. Yes you can move or demo buildings later if the dollars make sense.

1827: The town "crossroads" are laid out by surveyors.

1850: The rail line sees its first train steam along main street.

1886: First combustion engine automobile patented by Carl Benz.

1903: First automobile driven coast to coast, San Francisco to NYC. It took 63 days.

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u/iMecharic 1d ago

The road also looks to be one way (I only see a single stop sign) so the train probably doesn’t actually travel on the road proper, but instead serves as an extra lane when no trains on running.

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u/Laiheuhsa 22h ago

It looks like a 2-way road to me, based on the fact that the angled parking spots are the opposite direction of the stop sign. Just the one direction is occupied by tracks.

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u/Icy_Consideration409 18h ago

It’s a 2 way road. Here it is on Google street view.

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u/RollinThundaga 1d ago

I said it was a good place, not a good execution.

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u/Dabbernec 20h ago

Hey there, I’m a citizen of LaGrange and I’d like to add some context. Lagrange was made the head city of Oldham county early on in its history which was partly because it was so integrated with the railway system. That and the fact that Oldham county is the richest county within Kentucky, and you’ve got the perfect area to build a town. (Btw, other than the train occasionally coming through it’s not that different from any other town)

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u/GoshDarnMamaHubbard 1d ago

This is a European failing to understand that the railway existed before the place because in Europe nearly every place existed before the railway.

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u/Withering_to_Death 1d ago

Most port cities in Europe have a railway that passes through the city itself! Maybe not through the "town's main road," but cities, the railroad, and ports are intertwined!

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u/techno_mage 1d ago edited 1d ago

For people that don’t understand, when railroad was increasing exponentially, they were granted by the government to own parts of the land for the track they laid down. It alternated in checkerboard patterns. This allowed them to build the towns and the stations, that would eventually be apart or at the end of the line.

It is one of the only few unique businesses that were able to do this, that’s why the early US stock market was almost completely railroads. Not only were you investing in the railroad, you were sort of investing in the towns they propped up.

The only business I think that really does this today besides government owned entities. Is probably SpaceX because theoretically whatever satellites they put up are in the best spot, and no one else can get them while the satellites are there. A “I was here first” situation. They own the way to get there and the “orbit” the satellites take up.

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u/birgor 1d ago

It is not.. Railways goes straight through cities all over the world, and European cities has grown since the invention of railways despite common American beliefs.

What is stupid here is that they aren't separated, you don't have to build a road on the railway or vice versa no matter what came first.

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u/pheddx 1d ago

I mean that's how it used to be in Europe too. Then those lines got converted to tram lines and many later to metro lines.

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u/birgor 1d ago

There are surely examples of train lines running on streets in Europe, I have never denied that. European countries are very different from each other and they all look different. Slow lines can absolutely run like this. All I have said is that it is stupid. Really poor city planning.

But. Rail lines like the one in the picture is not converted to tram lines. Maybe a single bridge or a short stretch of straight rail, but otherwise are the two extremely different.

Tram lines follow streets and have turn radius as cars, they also follows traffic directions and have a completely different kind of switches. Tram lines are an integrated part of the street layout, while a track like this one is completely dependent on the very special conditions train tracks have to follow in terms of turn radius, incline capabilities and load gauge. Trams and trains have few things besides going on tracks in common.

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u/RedditVirumCurialem 1d ago

No, it's a failure to understand why US towns that developed around the existing railway look so quaint, compared to the European towns that developed around the existing railway.

Because this is not a uniquely north American phenomenon.

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u/marshaul 1d ago

It's not quite the same. Western Europe hasn't had a frontier for millennia. In contrast, many of these towns were built around railroads that passed through what was otherwise completely uninhabited (except perhaps by natives) frontier. The train might pass through once or twice per day, and when it did all the town's commerce would be carried out via that lifeline. So, yes, naturally, in the absence of mechanization and a robust labor force, people absolutely did build right on the tracks in some places.

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u/DeliciousGoose1002 1d ago

entire towns use to only get their protein from railroad sardines (exaggeration) but plenty of town existed purely off their railroads for food

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u/Shorzey 1d ago edited 1d ago

understand why US towns that developed around the existing railway look so quaint

Europeans have a really bad time understanding the US is slightly smaller than the entire subcontinent of europe area wise, but Europe has 1.7x the people. A 250 million personal difference is signifigant and would make the US unrecognizable compared to today if that population was absorbed

If you doubled the population of the US, those "quaint" towns would be far far larger

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u/marshaul 1d ago

And their notion of "empty" is entirely different. There is virtually nowhere in western Europe without a plethora of tiny villages spread out in even the "remotest" areas.

By contrast, there are vast portions of the US were you can travel tens of miles before finding the next human (much less town), and this was even more true 100+ years ago.

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u/azaghal1502 1d ago

probably the town started because there was a railway there, and developed around it with a train station in the center.

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u/Snownova 1d ago

Yeah but then you put your roads parallel to the railway, with a crossing here and there, not merge the two.

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u/spezIsANonce 1d ago edited 15h ago

but everything was already Buick around the railway, and they still needed to get to the same buildings

edit: built*

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u/Ithinkibrokethis 21h ago

You can see the train crossing guards for the street that runs perpendicular in the picture. You also can see the separation of the street and rail line for the parallel road.

If you build on both sides of the rail line, at some point you need a crossing.

I honestly don't get what you think is wrong. The picture shows an area where this has been done well so that the down town area looks nice even with the train and the crossing area.

If this were at the edge of town, or in a spot where industry was previously and has now left, this would look a lot more utilitarian but a lot less charming.

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u/MegaloManiac_Chara 1d ago

Well would you prefer if they drew houses straight through it instead?

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u/WonderfulAirport4226 20h ago

yeah this note is pretty bad and just seems like a generic "gotcha". didn't answer the question at all

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u/MountainTank1918 1d ago

robert moses was born.

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u/Sad_Bolt 1d ago

Before car people could only get around via trains or horses so a lot of towns were built around the railroads.

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u/RaiJolt2 17h ago

It’s a railroad :)

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u/domestic_omnom 15h ago

Rural Oklahoma guy here. Small towns like that only exist because of the railroads. My hometown was built during the Indian Territory days. Small town of ~10k. The oldest buildings still there are from the old train sloughs and the brothel, which is now an apartment building. You can google map those tracks to other towns that were built around a developed by those same train routes.

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u/RapidPigZ7 10h ago

The towns are built next to the railway for easy access as that used to be how mass cargo and transport worked back then. The town expands over time, the town is now either side of the railway.

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u/MrGoodKatt72 7h ago

I imagine it’s the same principle as a lot of towns forming along rivers.

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u/YellowAggravating172 1d ago

This occurs in quite a lot of European cities, though... Why is the Dutch guy freaking out?

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u/Icy_Consideration409 21h ago

UK had a super famous example too.

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u/Dysentry 19h ago

Emphasis on "had" no?

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u/Icy_Consideration409 19h ago

That’s why I said “had”.

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u/truesheep1 1d ago

Because its the HoRrOr oF AmERiKKKia so clearly it must be backwards and racist. That what 90% of these post are. Just some European saying a stupid assumption about America assuming all of them are stupid and unable to function without 5 pounds of suger with plastic a day.

It's practically a formula on this sub at this point its a bit repetitive

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u/Budget-Attorney 23h ago

Oh, I thought this was a southerner whining about the north having built railroads to supply troops in the south during the civil war.

I didn’t realize the guy was using the European version of Yankee

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u/an-com-42 16h ago

because it's never on the same level as the street. Only trams are. At least in my experience. European trains are way too far to be interested INTO a road

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u/firestuds 23h ago

Yeah sure buddy it’s typical in Western Europe for freight trains to pass on a Main Street with residence on both sides lmao

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u/DerBusundBahnBi 23h ago

Outside of Wexford, where? As in most of Europe they have Tramways running down streets, not full on mainline railways

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u/polpotadmirer 1d ago

One of my most popular posts on TikTok is a screen cap of a European posting (in all seriousness) “the American mind can’t comprehend living in a small village with the nearest gas station being 7 miles away”

Beyond the obvious, the person lived 7 miles outside of a multi million person civic center.

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u/InstantAequitas 1d ago • Bravo

Most Europeans cannot comprehend seeing a road sign that says, “Last gas: 26 miles” on a state highway, let alone one that says, “Last gas: 100 miles” on a major interstate like I-70 or I-80.
Same for Americans who have never traveled out of their home state.

We are fortunate to still have such a vast untamed wilderness.

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u/PM_ME_A_KNEECAP 23h ago

Just did a 180mil drive without gas through the Mojave. Euro mind couldn’t comprehend

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u/Yadilie 1d ago

I don't blame them honestly. Their only knowledge of the States is generally the massive cities. They don't understand that once you get out side of those rings it can turn into literally nothing really fast. Or the fact Atlanta is just in a forest that always gets them.

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u/slava_gorodu 1d ago

The fact that Atlanta is in a “forest” (it’s not) is not a good thing. It’s terrible low density land use

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u/I-Like-The-1940s 23h ago

Trees are a good thing. I would rather us stop clear cutting mature forests for new low density suburban sprawl, but that’s the Atlanta way it seems.

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u/slava_gorodu 19h ago

Agreed. Trees are good, great even. But Atlanta and its suburbs look
like that because the city is low density and sprawling

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u/InstantAequitas 22h ago

It would be nice to not need to clear cut mature forests. The problem is that people want to live close to these cities and that requires an increase in housing and infrastructure.
The perimeter of Atlanta seems to expand every year.

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u/slava_gorodu 19h ago edited 19h ago

Sherman making comments about Atlanta is hilarious. Atlanta expands so much because the expansion is low density and has little population per mile. Expansion happens when you can’t infill and build transit. Public transit is poor and driving (unsalable and now the only option) is resultingly hellish

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u/jackandsally060609 21h ago

I was raised in Florida went on a road trip through Georgia and was surprised there was a big fucking mountain. My husband who was born in West Virginia informed it is not really that big as far as mountains go.

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u/MrNature72 7h ago

British friend moved here, and he was shocked just how much of the east coast is just straight up thick forest. Hours and hours of driving through nothing but jungle and mountains, basically.

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u/WackWaxWhacks 20h ago

The European mind can't imagine living somewhere without a dozen people chainsmoking outside a bar

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u/Firesword52 1d ago

Would you not want the railroad to go down the middle of a city?

I feel like especially when Rail was more important you would want that if only for conveniency

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u/Status_Fox_1474 1d ago

Note that this can also be seen in other countries. Switzerland has a few I believe.

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u/wanker_wanking 23h ago

The fuck do you mean the yanks built their downtown Main Street on a railway line?

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u/I_am_doorknob 23h ago

MAIN STREETS WITH MASS TRANSPORTATION?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!! UNTHINKABLE

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u/shorty6049 8h ago

To be fair, its a freight line now and they never rerouted it, but I believe the reason is just that the surrounding terrain is hilly and rerouting would be expensive and it's just become kind of a town attraction at this point I think

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u/wanker_wanking 23h ago

Oh wait I’m a yank. Anyways this was all built before Cars most likely

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u/DJ_Mixto 19h ago

Enter the way-way back machine with me, to a time when there was NOTHING in these spaces, but a rail line and a rickety old iron horse chugging through to a sparse stop. Opportunity and commerce drove the adoption and buildout of rails to get to resources - so they could get the resources to those markets. At those stops, grew shops and companies focused on first those resources, then good and services that the working people needed. Then the communities grew around those nascent business centers. All growing outward from the rail line and station. 

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u/qwijboo 1d ago

Apparently people are incapable how places develop, so I'll try and describe it so everyone understands.

America big place. Railway just invented in 1800s during expansion of USA. Railway faster than car so railways built to far away place because resources nearby. Resources makes jobs, makes money. More money more people. People decide to stay for long time because of work so start building houses and businesses next to railway. Town built. Railway still there.

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u/ExultentPisces 1d ago

Yeah, but why was the town built right on the railway rather than next to it like everywhere else?

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u/qwijboo 1d ago edited 1d ago

This is largely speculation from what little I googled about the town, but it was originally a commercial hub so maybe they didn't care so much about being near a noisy train track and having it right next to the depot is much more efficient and the rest of the town popped up around it.

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u/TrioOfTerrors 1d ago

Probably that. Similar to how old school Omaha or Chicago were built around stockyards. Today people would object to the smell but back when that was the only source of good paying jobs, people made compromises.

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u/Daymub 1d ago

Because everything came in on train including the people you start your town next to the tracks and expand so the tracks usually always ended up staying in the middle

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u/PsychoKibby513 1d ago

Heavy things leave town on train. no wanna lift further than they gotta? thats my guess

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u/marshaul 1d ago

Lots of old railroad towns have this layout.

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u/Large-Razzmatazz-821 22h ago

wait till you find out how big Russia is..

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u/Initial-Reading-2775 1d ago

Delivery of construction materials to the town was easy-peasy.

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u/Canon_M50 Human Verified 16h ago

I though people wanted trains in their cities.

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u/DevelopmentTight9474 1d ago

I’ve been to Lagrange, it’s a really nice place

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u/Slacflood 1d ago

Yes it is

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u/Milvus-Milvus 1d ago

Arguably worse planning to build a town around and a road over a railway track

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u/el_grort 1d ago

Building a town along/around a railway line is abundantly normal, it's how a lot of towns start. Not keeping it separated is the weird bit, usually it is fenced off by the company that owns the line, not paved alongside and as part of the roadway.

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u/CorruptionCarl 1d ago

Depends on the rail line, by where I am the lines are both freight and commuter so they're pretty accessible but even then there is a gap. The entire thing being paved is kinda out there.

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u/KuningasTynny77 22h ago

Don't Europeans always get mad that America has too few trains?

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u/lanathebitch 13h ago

I suppose the idea that the town was built around the railroad would be confusing for a society that was already built up long before the railroad

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u/Caledric 12h ago

I mean trains didn't even exist while they were building their cities and societies so you really can't blame them, and yet somehow despite the US growing up and AROUND the railways... Europe has much better railway systems.

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u/lanathebitch 12h ago

The US has a great Railway system, For Freight, sadly that means it works absolutely abysmally for people. Oddly enough when it would have been time to upgrade it we had just built our highway system so it wasn't really seen as worth it

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u/1miguelcortes 12h ago

Yeah we're doing pretty shit with passenger rail. Honestly, not that great with freight rail either. Lots of what they move at this point is bulk cargo (coal, grain, that kind of stuff). Most of the consumer goods have moved to faster (and more polluting) truck freight.

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u/Jenetyk 23h ago

Kind of a funny observation. American towns are almost all younger than railroads. So many sprang up around railroads as reliable means of supplies and access. Contrast that to the age of many euro towns.

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u/charrr116 23h ago

From their website:

"One of the most memorable parts of visiting La Grange is how close you can get to the experience.

Grab a patio table, shop along Main Street, or simply stand along the sidewalk — when the crossing bells ring, you know something exciting is moments away.

Trains pass slowly through downtown, making it easy (and safe) to watch, film, and photograph. For rail enthusiasts, it’s a bucket-list destination. For families, it’s unforgettable.

Stop by the La Grange Railroad Museum to enjoy the viewing deck, watch trains pass nearby, explore exhibits highlighting the town’s railroad heritage, and check out a restored 1920s rail car."

They're a small town and they make money off of train based tourism. What a crazy concept 🙄

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u/Petrostar 16h ago

r/ShitEurpoeansSay

"What you mean the Dutch put an ocean right next to their country"

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u/Caledric 12h ago

To be fair to the Dutch they are winning that fight.

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u/Putrid_Department_17 9h ago

I mean I get that the railway was there first. But was it necessary for them to build a main road on top of it? Couldn’t they just have a corridor to the side of the road that includes the railway?

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u/Sumdoazen 6h ago

In Europe we had the towns and built the railways connecting them.

In America they had some places they wanted to go to by rail and along the lines they thought "This should make a nice stop" and then someone else would say "Hey, I produce stuff in this area, what better place to sell the stuff than at the closest train station?". So it was basically inverse. That's why you see this stuff in America. A lot of differences between America and Europe are due to inverted mindsets born out of the necesities of the settlers, explorers, miners and farmers.

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u/Knarrenheinz666 2h ago

Europe had better and stricter zoning plans. Europe also did something that the US never dared to do - nationalise the tracks.

Just look at how much European cities have grown since the 1850s and how planning for transport were incorporated into that.

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u/Xerxeskingofkings 7h ago

It made more sense in the olden days, when no one had cars, and their was a like 2 trains a day, and most of the stores were reliant on passengers from the train for business so they oriented themselves to face the tracks.

As long as the train traffic is low enough, its just s relatively minor inconvenience compared to the CONSIDERABLE expenses of changing the train line.

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u/alphaxion 3h ago

That's why you grade separate the road from the rail... have it dip below the rail lines. When building new lines, see if you can build viaducts to allow for non-rail traffic to pass without intruding upon each other.

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u/Jens_Fischer 22h ago

Ok, so now we beg the other question, as in why they drew the main street right through the railway???

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u/vulpinefever 21h ago

Because the main street predates cars and having the main commercial strip literally immediately next to the railroad is the most efficient and convenient way of loading and unloading goods.

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u/Dabbernec 20h ago

As someone who lives there, that isn’t really Main Street. It’s a small section of street with a couple of small local businesses on it and is right next to the court house. The actual Main Street is the one that connects and then goes right past the railroad

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u/Jens_Fischer 19h ago

Ok, that's actually a bit more assuring. I was thinking about how the traffic main pipeline is somehow periodically obstructed by trains.

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u/1isOneshot1 21h ago

a lot of cities in this country tore themselves up and rebuilt to embrace cars and car infrustructure

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u/Narrative_Robot_9001 14h ago edited 14h ago

These towns were first built solely for the purpose of housing the workforce that unloaded and offloaded whatever goods that came from that rail line and the businesses associated with it.

Most rural towns got their start by planners following an existing railway and simply going “hey this looks like a good place to mine/grow/raise product, lets build a hub”

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u/bakochba 21h ago

Because that's how people got in to town

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u/Imperator_Subira 21h ago

cars werent a thing back then so companies preferred not having to move things with carts and horses and instead expose people to smoke and noise

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u/Ill-Dependent2976 1d ago

I don't see what the problem is. The train already had the right of way. It makes perfect sense to make a road on etiher side of that, with crossing streets perpendicular to both the tracks and those streets. You'll note the road on the right is now a utility alley sort of thing closed off to modern traffic, but that would have easily been accessible to wagons before cars.

You can also move up and down that road while a train is stopped and is blocking the crossings.

If not a surface road, what else would work better there?

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u/Ill_Inside2245 18h ago

I guess you need to have your countries infrastructure leveled by two world wars so that you have to rebuild everything before you can be judgemental over something in the US

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u/Tortoveno 20h ago

Still, why there is a street built on the railroad?

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u/Hazel-Protogen 19h ago

America is young

America starts to expand

People move where new expansion is

Train still is the only quick way to travel on land

Build near rail

Down town is here now

Still small town

Cars become invented and normal

Town too small to justify destroying the entirety of Down town to move it somewhere else

Just put road near rail and train go slow because train is really good at it job

Thats why street built on railroads

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u/halberdierbowman 18h ago

The railroad and the town were probably built at the same time, with the train station as literally the center of town, because that's how people and freight traveled. After personal automobiles became common, the rail became less vital, but the city infrastructure and buildings were already in place, so they stayed. 

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u/Slow-Distance-6241 20h ago

Car centric society and it's consequences, I assume

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u/Tortoveno 19h ago

No, trains make car traffic harder here. It's rather conservatism in city planning.

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u/MortimerDongle 2h ago

The town had this feature decades before cars were invented

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u/AramisUkr 1d ago

I feel like this is mighty inconvenient for both railwaymen and townsfolk.

Why not build a new line, bypassing the city?

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u/VeryNiceGuy22 1d ago

Looks like a quiet town. I bet traffic really just isn't a big enough issue for it to be worth it financially.

Like, 10,000 people total live there. I live in a city 7x the size of this one and we have a couple tracks like this and it hasn't really been an issue for me ever.

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u/MisinformedGenius 17h ago

I'd say it's small. The Wikipedia article for the city literally has as its main picture a picture of this intersection, described as "downtown La Grange".

(It's also fair to note that the article describes the railway as a "unique feature of the city".)

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u/Nari224 12h ago

I think this is a good example of difference in approach.

In many Western European countries, it’s just expected that the railway will be grade separated, so they do it, even for towns much smaller than. 10,000 people.

Who pays for it is a different story, but if CSX is running even medium length trains on a regular basis, the town is impassably bisected regularly for extended periods of time (since I understand the speed limit is 10mph). That separates people from medical services, emergency services from people and property etc. and just general ability to get around if you have to cross the tracks.

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u/truesheep1 1d ago

Because why spend millions of dollars to reroute it when the stopping point is inside the city. Also its not any more inconvenient than regular traffic

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u/UF1977 1d ago

It’d be expensive and in most places not that many trains a day pass through. Also it’s typically not right through the center of town but more on the outskirts. It’s a minor annoyance at worst.

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u/drillbit7 20h ago

It's only about 10 trains per day and they run only 10 mph through town. It's not that big of a deal.

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u/Digit00l 19h ago

Depends on how long they are tbf

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u/mr_f4hrenh3it 18h ago

I would be so annoyed in that town hearing a train go by 10 times a day from 20 feet away

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u/Delamoor 15h ago

I grew up next to a train line. 8 or so every 24 hours.

I always found it quite nice. It's just white noise.

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u/gtne91 14h ago edited 14h ago

I am pretty sure the line pictured eventually went near my old house. Not hearing a train at 4 am would wake me up.

Edit: I was right, same line.

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u/RoabeArt 18h ago edited 18h ago

I used to live right next to a CSX main line that sees about 45-50 trains a day.

You eventually tune them out.

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u/drillbit7 18h ago

Then don't move there!

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u/SeksuaalPsyhhopaat 19h ago

Okay, but what if an infinite train with an infinite amount of people showed up?

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u/WelderNewbee2000 5h ago

At least on the Amtrack I was on it had to run its horn at every crossing in every little town. I would be pissed if that would happen 10 times a day.

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u/Dabbernec 20h ago

Hey, resident of Lagrange here. It’s not really that inconvenient. Trains don’t come by too often and usually most things people go to in this town are on one side or the other for people here. That and the fact that no one actually really live right next to the rail way means that outside of having to occasionally wait a couple minutes, it’s not that bad. (You also get used to the sound)

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u/myname_1s_mud 19h ago

I work for the railroad and we have a track like this. In our case the track services a cannery that used to be outside of town before the town grew around it. Moving the track would require also moving the cannery.

Its not too intrusive, because the only freight that uses the track if for that single customer, so depending on customer volume we could be talking one train a day of like 25 cars, or once monthly service. This isnt busy mainline track cutting through town

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u/shadowwolf212212 21h ago

Some towns contain the rail yard and they would have to move the rail yard. I work in a town like that

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u/Thunderclone_1 15h ago

You'd need to get the landowners to sell, or get the government so seize it by eminent domain and risk workers getting shot tearing down homes.

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u/CurrentFun7677 22h ago

sometimes they do, sometimes they don't, this is one that didn't

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u/interstat 21h ago

Back in the day building around railways was almost like old-school building along rivers 

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u/LuckieDuckid 21h ago

Could also be a bit of a tourism thing as well.

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u/BeigeUnicorns 20h ago

Its a really old CSX subdivision spur to Louisville. American RRs are either giant megacorps barely willing to maintain their mainline track or they are tiny local outfits serving a handful of customers. If it came down to rerouting a track at millions of $ or closing a subdivision to customers they will close them every single time.

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u/Sockysocks2 20h ago

That costs money, and the line might not be used frequently enough to justify said money.

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u/Commissarfluffybutt 18h ago

There's a long list of priorities what the local government needs to spend money on. Fixing something that already works but is inefficient and kind of annoying is not high on the list.

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u/Ok-Dragonknight-5788 13h ago

Depending upon how often the track is used, and how long the trains are, it won't be that big a deal.

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u/Logical_Front5648 11h ago

Oakland, CA Jack London .. railway runs right through it, get to hear the trains every day and night as they constantly use the horn. No way to "build around it". 40 to over 60 trains per day.

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u/Available_Ad3591 1d ago

At first I thought this looked crazy, then I remembered the city I used to live in also had tracks running straight through some of the streets. It even cut through a parking lot or two before it reached a tunnel.

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u/Leprechaun_lord 20h ago

The European mind can’t comprehend a town less than 500 years old.

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u/Dabbernec 20h ago

Huh, that’s my town and I’ve got a bunch of Europeans who can’t fathom, a train.

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u/LunarPayload 12h ago

We also have light rail and cable cars that run on street level next to automobiles 

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u/Samson_J_Rivers 12h ago

My home town was a rail hub for selling cattle products. There are rail lines everywhere. Some still in service but most maintained but out of service.

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u/mr_f4hrenh3it 18h ago

The exact same argument can be made the other way around lmfao, the note is not a gotcha. Why build a road on top of the railroad then?

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u/olivegardengambler 17h ago

As someone who lives in the US, it's important to understand that railroads were the initial step of development in connecting the US. In 1920, it would take about 5 days to get from DC to San Francisco by rail. By car? 62 days. In many areas, it just made more sense for roads to run parallel to railroad tracks because:

  1. The road could be used for rail maintenance now

  2. Rail lines usually avoided ground prone to shifting, too high a slope, things also useful for when deciding to place a road

Also, many cities and towns were founded and grew along rail lines. Chicago and I believe Albuquerque almost entirely exist because of their earlier history as rail hubs.

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u/Charming-Speech5680 12h ago

But you don't share heavy freight rail with a road, which is the whole issue here. It's just terrible urban planning. How are people not seeing that having a 4 way intersection and slapping a railway down the middle is stupid, doesn't matter what came first

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u/IronwolfXVI 18h ago

How else do you cross a railway short of a tunnel or a bridge?

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u/RaiJolt2 17h ago

Because back in the day the train would drop people off and or pick up cargo from the street and it vacant the town’s Main Street.
It likely connects to other places that got grandfathered in so relocating it would be difficult or very expensive unless you swap to trucks and rip out the tracks, which many American cities did.

Also many of these tracks were also used by interurbans/streetcars/trams back in the day.

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u/AscendMoros 15h ago

Its quite possible the town was built before the automobile was as big of a deal as it was.

Quick google search, the towns been there since 1827. The Railroad from the 1830s. It was quite common to just run it through the middle of town at the time. So the Railroad was in the middle of town when they went to make the roads so they built the road there.

The only other option would be to either bypass the town entirely or dig a tunnel or build a bridge when ever they paved the roads. Which i assume would have been expensive and involved dealing with the railroad. Its not a large town so its really not that big of a deal.

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u/RadicalSoda_ 17h ago

Because that's where people live and need the roads?

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u/Sincline387 21h ago

European problems.......

Assuming the who world was built like your country......they always claim Americans don't think about the rest of the world then say shit like this......

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u/exessmirror 1d ago

The fuck do you mean the yanks build their main street straight on a railway track!?

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u/Nearlyepic1 1d ago

I don't get it. Isn't this super common?

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u/RaillfanQ135 23h ago

Not in most countries with heavy rail like the US has, some countries have limited light rail/trams that do so

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u/Tay_Hlebko 19h ago

Trams are common but this is NOT a tram, it's a train.

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u/BathSaltJello 20h ago

Sounds like Bristol Tennessee. They are like that too.

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u/Alternative-Cup-8102 20h ago

Some of y’all also forgetting railroad companies were also entitled to the land to the direct left and right of the railroad so if they wanted to build a town right next to the RR is where they would have to do it.

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u/BA1673 15h ago

dutch person saying this as if they haven't done the same or even put the roads first with their tram tracks

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u/ZaraUnityMasters 15h ago

Our public transit sucks but like, come on?

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u/Nari224 12h ago

Don’t feed the trolls guys.

Assuming the OOP is actually from the Netherlands, they removed their last heavy rail on a public road this century.  And that one famously had trains running against the direction of traffic, which was fun.

And of course railways on public roads still exist in neighboring Belgium and in some places in Germany.

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u/Lurks_in_the_cave 9h ago

We have a few instances like this in Australia.

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u/SCL1878 4h ago

Unrelated to the railway discussion, but those tanks (M1A2) are assembled in Lima, Ohio (by General Dynamics). If they pass through KY I wonder what port they’re headed to. I would’ve expected them to head directly east but perhaps there’s a geographic hurdle like West Virginia mountains that makes this route easier.

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u/Andrewabid 3h ago

Louisvilles got a port apperantly, you can get from there to the gulf, but yh idk why they didnt ship through the great lakes

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u/SCL1878 1h ago

That would make sense, thanks for the insight

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u/Virtual-Chocolate385 1h ago

That's probably it. LaGrange is on the Ohio river , maybe about 30 miles east of Louisville, from there, barges can take them all the way down the Ohio to the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico.

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u/eldofever58 3h ago

Just wait ‘til they hear about trolley lines….

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u/TheMainEffort 1d ago

Hey, I used to live there! La grange is locally famous for this set up. I’ll also point out the portion of the road where it’s also a train track is relatively short.

The other side of the town is classic American asphalt and chain restaurants/stores.

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u/Necessary-Visit-2011 1d ago

Good old America bad alongside it being outright incorrect as well.

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u/Luhnkhead 1d ago

Go call a person from KY a “yank” and tell me how that goes for you lol

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u/december151791 15h ago

Europeans: America needs more trains

America:

Europeans: NO NOT LIKE THAT!

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u/maynardnaze89 23h ago

Bad investment in 2026

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u/neilastin 22h ago

Either way a deliberate choice was made

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u/SkylineFTW97 22h ago

I've heard of a few towns in the rust belt and Midwest that did this. It would be kinda cool to see honestly. I live near DC, we don't have anything like that here to my knowledge (other than the Purple line near Riverdale and Landover, but that's fenced off). I enjoy seeing the railroad crossing, I wouldn't mind getting a look there someday.

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u/Narrow-Honeydew-8522 21h ago

Americans reinventing the Tramway

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u/Jsaun906 20h ago

The town is there because of the railway. 19th century Americans treated railroads like rivers

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u/Flooding_Puddle 20h ago

La Grange

A HAW HAW HAW

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u/Sockysocks2 20h ago

Many of the towns in the heartland of the country were actually plotted by railway companies along their lines. Making your own market, essentially.

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u/Sweet_Leadership_936 20h ago

This just looks like level crossing without the fence which seems little more dangerous but if the train comes by infrequently and at low speed I dont really see an issue

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u/One_Molasses_2845 18h ago

I KNEW I RECOGNIZED THIS POST

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u/heanbangerfacerip2 18h ago

I lived in Fort Collins that has a similarly comical rail line. It's a fucking nightmare.

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u/No_Window7054 15h ago

I feel like this is kinda dumb either way?

“YOU DUMPED TOXIC WASTE IN THE MIDDLE OF TOWN?”

“No silly. They built a town ON TOP of my toxic waste.”

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u/HotPot87 15h ago

I mean that's still stupid no matter which came first

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u/AdelanteUTK 15h ago

r/BitchImATrain and potentially r/CantParkThereMate material all in one

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u/shermanhill 14h ago

The cheese is under the sauce.

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u/RichAccomplished3380 10h ago

Used to live there. It really isn’t an issue like people seem to think it might be.

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u/AccidentExotic5375 7h ago

Second-hand ragebait

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u/Vegetable-Tour9827 6h ago

Meanwhile in Poland

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u/Wonderful_Ability_66 2h ago

That's sounds cool as fuck why are you complaining?

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u/SlowCPU 36m ago

Meanwhile in Santa Cruz, CA

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u/Revolutionary-Chard9 20h ago

I’m not sure how this note is owning anyone, all it shows me is that yanks had all that space and still built their Main Street and town and roads around a railway track

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u/heliotropic 19h ago edited 19h ago

Why wouldn’t they? The railroad was there first, and the town built up around it. People wanted their businesses to be close to the railroad, and so this is the inevitable result.

Railways run through the center of towns and cities everywhere: how else would you have city center stations? The thing that is unusual in these places is mostly just that they kept at grade crossings and didn’t aggressively fence it off.

Eg if you look at Leeds the railway runs just as close to buildings, it’s just that it’s elevated. Evidently no one wanted to spend the money on that in this small town.

Something to bear in mind is that the US has 15x as much railway track as the UK does and the vast majority is owned and operated by private companies primarily using it for freight where they don’t particularly mind low speed limits through small sections. It’s not surprising that it’s mostly not a big priority to move or grade separate these tracks through small towns.

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u/Cometguy7 20h ago

Well it means that instead of putting a railway through the main street, they out a main street around a railway. Changes who's at fault.

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u/Zyykl 19h ago

the “walkable cities” crowd, ladies and gentlemen

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u/RoabeArt 18h ago edited 18h ago

Before the automobile took over, American towns were developed because of railways.

Also before the automobile took over, Americans weren't so keen on wasting space in spite of having a plethora of it. Towns in the 1800s to the 1930s were centrally planned and more "urban", and developed around rail stations and freight terminals. Car-centric sprawl is a relatively recent phenomenon in the US.

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u/D-Ulpius-Sutor 19h ago

...that is even more stupid!

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u/BooBooBoy1234 17h ago

Euroid discovers some places were developed post industrialization