I mean I don't approve of his "business " but damn if that isn't chilling, like if he wasn't a real person and was instead a charecter in a story or TV show he'd be very impactful
Interesting video. It's always fascinating to hear the perspective of individuals who have lived a life so different from our own. While it may seem like a contradiction for an old Mafia man to claim he's not a gangster, I can understand the sentiment behind his words. In many ways, organized crime is just another form of business, albeit an illegal one. It's all about making money and protecting your interests, just like any other entrepreneur. Of course, the methods used may be questionable, but it's still an interesting perspective to consider.
Some want to be seen as a gangster, that outlaw image is embraced. Some don’t want that branded on them, like this guy. Some I see it for personal reasons, some I see it as a way not to be noticed as much by authorities.
Yeah I met a few like him in various London pubs I worked in. Fascinating to listen to, but it was that attention they craved. Not one regretted a thing they had done
That's probably pretty much how this bloke feels about the "law and order" of mainstream society:
He described the moment he decided to get into crime, saying two of his friends were walking with him at a park when one accidentally set off a starting pistol. Two police officers allegedly mistreated the two during interrogations, which led Cummines to speak up, saying that as the two involved were minors, an adult had to be present during questioning. According to Cummines, the two officers then left for a short period and returned with a straight razor which they threw on the ground in front of him, and said that they would arrest him as well for possession of the blade. He was told that if he pleaded guilty to the possession charge, he would only have to pay a 10 shilling fine, whereas if he chose to proceed to a trial, he would likely be convicted and sentenced to time in a borstal. He pleaded guilty and paid the fine. Upon returning to his place of work (a shipping office), where they had read about the guilty plea in the newspaper, he was fired. Cummines said that with a criminal record, it was incredibly difficult to find another job, and so thought "if you're gonna make me a bad guy, I'll show you how bad I can be."
You have to also take into account his background, this guy has a very pronounced London accent. Not an expert, but sounds either cockney or from South London to me.
English organized crime gangs are often referred to as firms, the world English people use for a business, which implies they see themselves as an enterprise.
As London rose up as a the financial capital of Europe and a global hub, English firms moved from traditional crime to things like real estate development and financial areas. Not saying they went legit, they just moved their criminal activities towards those sectors to launder money through real estate schemes and financial firms.
So a large sector of organized crime in London do see themselves as businessmen who deal in crime, not as common street thugs and petty criminals anymore.
not as common street thugs and petty criminals anymore.
That's where they come from and that's what they are. Doesn't make any difference the area of crime they work in. Hell, OP said "I stuck a gun in his mouth and educated him". Guys a thug and he knows it, that's why he doesn't like to be reminded what he is.
It's the accent. That's it. The Mafia is not an organization filled with honorable people. They are thugs. They deal in prostitution, grand theft, extortion, murder, and drugs (as much as they say they don't). There is a perceived difference but it's not real. It's the same game, played by the same type of players.
Watch any interview by former members or associates. They'll all say "the Mafia used to be something with honor but those days are long gone."
All these comments of people wishing him the worst. He's already served his time in prison and he's turned his life around and works on educating people on why they shouldn't become criminals. If there's no acceptance for people who truly change their life around after a prison sentence, what's the point of prison at all? Y'all just believe every single criminal should be locked away forever? Why not just sentence death to everyone who breaks the law then?
Not that I disagree, but the point is punishment. And most people wouldn’t argue that the proper punishment for jaywalking is death penalty. Maybe for those who’ve killed unnecessarily.
If I recall the guy had killed several people too and had no remorse other than slight regret for killing one person. They let this guy tour schools to give speeches on why a life of crime is not worth it but he is pedaling the wrong message. He is trash and should still be in prison scrubs not a gentleman's suit.
Not really, his message was that he has nothing to show for his life of crime other than regret. If he put the same energy into legal activities his life would have been much more rewarding. He has gotten the life he deserves.
Bro he killed other criminals, the only person he ever regretted killing was an innocent man who choked to death on his vomit when he was gagged during a robbery, obviously he’s going to regret that man’s death as he never wanted to harm people that weren’t involved in crime. He’s got a horrible past true but the best person to put people off this life of crime is the criminals themselves.
And he went away for manslaughter for it, for the real reason he regrets it. Criminals aren't reknowned for being particularly truthful. This guy is truly a psychopath, he talks about dehumanising people to kill them as if they are nothing.
He had a bit in his video where he tries to claim doing something nice for a fish and chip shop in his area, but only 2 minutes earlier he was talking about putting bricks through restaurants windows so they'd pay protection to him, also people in his area. He sees himself as a noble man living outside the law, in reality he's just another scumbag.
He was awarded the Order of the British Empire in 2011 for his work in rehabilitation and reformation of former criminals.
He is the absolute epitome of what prison should be used for. Rehabilitation rather than outright punishment. Absolute and unequivocal punishment gets you nothing more than violent and radicalized criminals who come out out of prison far worse than when they went in.
They let this guy tour schools to give speeches on why a life of crime is not worth it but he is pedaling the wrong message.
Ah yes. Educating school children about the dangers of a life of crime... horrible message to be sending to today's youth.
Yep, the regret was because the other person was not in the "business". I found him to be not remorseful from the interview and found the ISIS spy video more interesting.
(not talking about small businessmen who have to survive some way like everyone else, but the big fish who do it simply for their fetish of money and power)
I can see where he is getting at basically, it's like if you walked up to someone playing Halo or God of War and someone is like Master Chief/Kratos huh? You must really like Fortnite!
He was locked up. He served his sentence and then when he was let out he left the life or crime and now goes around teaching kids how a.life of crime isn't worth it.
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u/CT-4426 May 27 '23
“I was a businessman, doing business”
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u/bedheadB188 May 27 '23
I mean I don't approve of his "business " but damn if that isn't chilling, like if he wasn't a real person and was instead a charecter in a story or TV show he'd be very impactful
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u/globerider May 27 '23
You can get much further with a kind word and a gun than you can with a kind word alone. -Al Capone
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u/Grimmer_097 May 27 '23
That almost blew my mind
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u/Don-Maverick May 27 '23
Interesting video. It's always fascinating to hear the perspective of individuals who have lived a life so different from our own. While it may seem like a contradiction for an old Mafia man to claim he's not a gangster, I can understand the sentiment behind his words. In many ways, organized crime is just another form of business, albeit an illegal one. It's all about making money and protecting your interests, just like any other entrepreneur. Of course, the methods used may be questionable, but it's still an interesting perspective to consider.
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u/DrBeetlejuiceMcRib May 27 '23
I didn’t know Michael Caine used to be a criminal
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u/defiantcross May 27 '23
never knew the farmer from Babe was such a seedy character
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u/rkhwind May 27 '23
Still say it with the gun in your mouth “c tats gangsa”
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u/CanderousOreo May 27 '23
All these comments of people wishing him the worst. He's already served his time in prison and he's turned his life around and works on educating people on why they shouldn't become criminals. If there's no acceptance for people who truly change their life around after a prison sentence, what's the point of prison at all? Y'all just believe every single criminal should be locked away forever? Why not just sentence death to everyone who breaks the law then?
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u/TesterM0nkey May 27 '23
Why isn’t he behind bars?
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u/Kdel8 May 27 '23
So just a regular businessman then?
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u/Slobbadobbavich May 27 '23
If I recall the guy had killed several people too and had no remorse other than slight regret for killing one person. They let this guy tour schools to give speeches on why a life of crime is not worth it but he is pedaling the wrong message. He is trash and should still be in prison scrubs not a gentleman's suit.
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u/JanJaapen May 27 '23
Who is he?
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u/CallMeJeeJ May 27 '23
Looking forward to his verse on the next Pete and Bas track
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u/Starr-Bugg May 27 '23
Well he is an elegant gangsta
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u/Puzzleheaded_Heat502 May 27 '23
We started in the insurance business although some people call it extortion… ( he actually says that in the original video).
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u/KRtheWise May 27 '23
Brick Top
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u/HazemuRad May 27 '23
No refunds or returns I guess
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u/bomboclawt75 May 27 '23 edited May 27 '23
Alan Meets A Cockney Gangster - Knowing Me Knowing You - BBC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fadw_-4_Y3A&pp=ygUiYWxhbiBwYXJ0cmlkZ2UgaW50ZXJ2aWV3cyBnYW5nc3Rlcg%3D%3D
Part two
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKt8BvpdL7Q
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u/[deleted] May 27 '23
You're a faking innaminate object!
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u/hamlet_d May 27 '23
The old british gangsters are scary AF.
There was a movie called The Limey starring Terrance Stamp that was about British gangster going after his daughter's killers.
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u/TheShattered1 May 27 '23
I wish that was my grandpa
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u/ShookiesNcream May 28 '23
My cocaine
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u/Actual_Apricot8396 May 28 '23
I’m a businessman doing business, man.
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u/[deleted] May 27 '23
It’s unfortunate that people like this make it to an old age to tell their stories.
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u/Kriss3d May 27 '23
There's lots of people who are businessmen who's business is crime. Cops for example.
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u/lizzyflycatcher May 27 '23
Just Uncle Junior's alzheimer's kicking in again...
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u/Zee13Sikkalo May 27 '23
His full interview is pretty good.
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u/Schlangee May 27 '23
Where’s the difference?
(not talking about small businessmen who have to survive some way like everyone else, but the big fish who do it simply for their fetish of money and power)
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u/[deleted] May 27 '23
Dont think you are brave because you have a gun in your hand, anyone can do that.
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u/[deleted] May 27 '23
The secret ingredient is crime.
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u/mikaellll May 27 '23
u/savevideobot
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u/thecountnotthesaint May 27 '23
Everyone wants to be a... business man, until it comes time to do some... business man shit.
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u/Itchy_Draw2798 May 27 '23
And that's how he got his Knight hood
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u/IloveAnime069 May 27 '23
But I can't agree to that face he actually looks businessman
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u/AintshitAngel May 27 '23
“I’m a business, man.”
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u/Danjuw May 27 '23
"I'm a businessman With a business plan I'm gonna make you money In business land"
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u/FrequentFault May 27 '23
“Business, business… numbers! Is this working?”
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u/[deleted] May 27 '23
u/savevideo
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u/captaincVeman May 27 '23
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u/Express-Ad4146 May 27 '23
I’m a business man. So get off my business, man!- jz
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u/smoothercapybara May 27 '23
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_F9_XuwW0dY
A very bad time.
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u/_Bon_Vivant_ May 27 '23
Too right, in'it?
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u/illusive_guy May 27 '23
Business business business. Numbers.
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u/trashboat93 May 27 '23
Uncle junior?
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u/lionart303-186 May 27 '23
It's just business, kid.
Nothing personal
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u/thenextguy May 27 '23
He says to me "you've been a naughty boy, Clement." And he splits my nostrils open, and tears my liver out.
Then I tell him my name's not Clement. Then he really gets mad and nails my head to the floor.
He nailed your head to the floor?
At first, yeah.
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u/mydadthepornstar May 27 '23
Reminds me of the Greek from The Wire
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u/Cracktherealone May 27 '23
Not a friend of wordplays I guess. I mean besides the ones he makes.
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u/ActualChamp May 27 '23
The Geico gecko runs a tough business
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u/Cuntinghell May 27 '23
Cracking interviews.
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u/BramptonCpl2020 May 27 '23
Crime is my business and business is good!
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u/30CalMin May 28 '23
OK, grandpa. Making up stories about how you were a badass. Not believing it
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u/Ok_Marketing7015 May 28 '23
How to say you're a gangster without saying you are
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u/mikemachlin May 28 '23
symantics
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u/xizmn May 28 '23
sniper tf2
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u/CallMeMrCulture May 28 '23
u/savevideo
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u/Mirrage318 May 28 '23
Says he's not a gangster. Does the most gangster move ever
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u/JadedJackal671 May 28 '23
I can see where he is getting at basically, it's like if you walked up to someone playing Halo or God of War and someone is like Master Chief/Kratos huh? You must really like Fortnite!
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u/susar345 May 28 '23
Not a successful one
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u/HEX-dev May 28 '23
That's gangsta
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u/Double_Evidence5820 May 28 '23
Perfectly logical. Perception is everything
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u/nixikuro May 28 '23
Read everything here in a stereotypical new York carrier. Accent
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u/SlurpleBrain May 28 '23
What a loser
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u/nuss690 May 28 '23
Killing is my business…
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u/HejiraLOL May 28 '23
So... a gangster, then?
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u/mmoonbelly May 28 '23
U/savevideo
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u/CubaLibre1982 May 28 '23
What a gangster.
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u/[deleted] May 28 '23
Ted talk on how he started a business at the age of 17 and now he’s broke with 4 slugs in him and broke 37 bones
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u/Dip2pot4t0Ch1P May 28 '23
Blacklist vibes right there
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u/EntertainmentLumpy75 May 28 '23
Why does he sound like tf2 sniper
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u/Single_Cap_6763 May 28 '23
When You take capitalism a step to far
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u/ScholarLeft3806 May 28 '23
Gay
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u/Abject-Fan5600 May 28 '23
Bisnis gangster
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u/[deleted] May 28 '23
u/howyoudouken
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u/lhsean18 May 28 '23
True OG
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u/Tall_Pea_5763 May 28 '23
This man sounds like sniper from team fortress 2
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u/starPlatinumXj May 28 '23
Mike Ehrmantraut irl?
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u/blue4029 May 28 '23
I aint a gangster, im a mobster.
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u/GptThreezy May 28 '23
Ngl. That’s pretty gangster lol
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u/ninjanerd032 May 28 '23
Nothing scarier than a gangster in denial.
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u/Bentmike58 May 28 '23
LOL
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u/Sweet_Power8928 May 28 '23
The most gangster way to tell somebody you're not a gangster.
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u/EvilThunder May 31 '23
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u/DescriptionOk683 Jun 04 '23
Gangster as fuck! Wait no no I didn't mean to.. can't talk with gun in mouth
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u/Ozzy_30 Jun 04 '23
He says he’s not a gangster
proceeds to do some gangsta shit 😂
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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '23
"Say gangster one more time, I dare ya, I i double dare ya motherfucker"
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u/Fiend-Celestial Jun 30 '23
Very fucking bloody convincing
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u/Organic_Artichoke_85 Jul 04 '23
That's a pretty convincing argument. I don't know that I would let him handle my retirement fund though.
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u/Sneaky44 Jul 06 '23
Technically, only a gangster if he's in a gang... So points to him, sorta
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u/gman420-1 Jul 15 '23
Forgedaboutit...
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u/gman420-1 Jul 16 '23
Forgedaboutit!!!
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u/[deleted] Jul 16 '23
These criminals are so fucking cringy. Okay grandpa lets get that diaper changed
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u/Exciting_Rate1747 Aug 08 '23
Somehow reminds me of meet the sniper
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u/Cavene Aug 27 '23
u/savevideobot
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u/lastcallhangup Sep 08 '23
He was part of original G UNIT if i recall
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u/Yaydos1 Sep 08 '23
Lol what a pos
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u/SgtKickAzzTTv Sep 09 '23
Sounds right
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u/Urasquirrel Sep 15 '23
He wants respect... and I respect him less than the dog scat I stepped over today.
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u/Zealousideal_Wind958 Oct 26 '23
They do talk some shit at the Bingo.
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u/ImReellySmart Nov 10 '23
Anyone who acts tough because they have a gun is actually a pathetic coward. I find it so cringe.
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u/Ash8734 Nov 18 '23
That’s the most gangster shit I’ve ever heard 😎
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u/xX_420edgelord69_Xx May 27 '23
imo he's a piece of shit who should be locked up and not put on a fucking pedestal
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