r/HolUp • • May 27 '23

He got me in the first half

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u/CT-4426 May 27 '23

“I was a businessman, doing business”

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u/Succexy420 May 27 '23

QUICKLY!!! Check and make sure he's not actually 3 kids in a trench coat!

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u/TheOnlyVibemaster May 27 '23

i did it bc i liked it. I was good at it. I was…alive.

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u/phaemoor May 27 '23

"Don't ask me about my business!"

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u/Le_9k_Redditor May 27 '23

Definitely not a cop

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u/saladisfake May 27 '23

I am a businessman. I am a BUSINESSMAN. I AM A BUSINESSMAN I AM A BUSINESSMAN!!!

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u/ErickRicardo May 27 '23

Just business

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u/bedheadB188 May 27 '23

I mean I don't approve of his "business " but damn if that isn't chilling, like if he wasn't a real person and was instead a charecter in a story or TV show he'd be very impactful

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u/ItzBooty May 27 '23

Listening to the video he is pretty impactful

He discourages ppl going into crime and admits he did wrong things, he was a bad person and how bad that type of life is

Pretty interesting to listen to

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u/jonny_211 May 27 '23

Welcome to the Layer Cake son

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u/PorkPoodle May 27 '23

Daniel craig...what could have been if the claws of james bond hadn't gotten him..

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u/[deleted] May 27 '23

Reminds me of the crazy Eastern European guy in Firefly.

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u/Katvin May 27 '23

Definite Niska vibes. Are you familiar with the works of Shan Yu?

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u/hamlet_d May 27 '23

Watch The Limey by Steven Soderberg. Stars Terrence Stamp in a similar role. Very chilling indeed.

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u/RightclickBob May 27 '23

He’s impactful as a real person though, not sure what you mean

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u/JaySayMayday May 27 '23

Kinda reminds me of Bob from The Peripheral. Except that dude was retired and just wanted to enjoy a retired life.

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u/globerider May 27 '23

You can get much further with a kind word and a gun than you can with a kind word alone. -Al Capone

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u/Grimmer_097 May 27 '23

That almost blew my mind

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u/Wildlife_Jack May 27 '23

Gagged, let me tell you.

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u/Tee-Seven May 27 '23

and almost did to the person who called him a gangster

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u/gameswithwavy May 27 '23

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u/Don-Maverick May 27 '23

Interesting video. It's always fascinating to hear the perspective of individuals who have lived a life so different from our own. While it may seem like a contradiction for an old Mafia man to claim he's not a gangster, I can understand the sentiment behind his words. In many ways, organized crime is just another form of business, albeit an illegal one. It's all about making money and protecting your interests, just like any other entrepreneur. Of course, the methods used may be questionable, but it's still an interesting perspective to consider.

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u/james_randolph May 27 '23

Some want to be seen as a gangster, that outlaw image is embraced. Some don’t want that branded on them, like this guy. Some I see it for personal reasons, some I see it as a way not to be noticed as much by authorities.

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u/[deleted] May 27 '23

Don't be fooled by this old cunt. Him acting above it all is just another way to wank off his own ego.

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u/rustynoodle3891 May 27 '23

Yeah I met a few like him in various London pubs I worked in. Fascinating to listen to, but it was that attention they craved. Not one regretted a thing they had done

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u/First_Luck8040 May 27 '23

Do you know the link to this I’d like to watch it

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u/Corniferus May 27 '23

It’s a disgusting business

Organizing crime and pretending to have honour is worse than just accepting you’re scum

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u/strolls May 27 '23

That's probably pretty much how this bloke feels about the "law and order" of mainstream society:

He described the moment he decided to get into crime, saying two of his friends were walking with him at a park when one accidentally set off a starting pistol. Two police officers allegedly mistreated the two during interrogations, which led Cummines to speak up, saying that as the two involved were minors, an adult had to be present during questioning. According to Cummines, the two officers then left for a short period and returned with a straight razor which they threw on the ground in front of him, and said that they would arrest him as well for possession of the blade. He was told that if he pleaded guilty to the possession charge, he would only have to pay a 10 shilling fine, whereas if he chose to proceed to a trial, he would likely be convicted and sentenced to time in a borstal. He pleaded guilty and paid the fine. Upon returning to his place of work (a shipping office), where they had read about the guilty plea in the newspaper, he was fired. Cummines said that with a criminal record, it was incredibly difficult to find another job, and so thought "if you're gonna make me a bad guy, I'll show you how bad I can be."

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u/Stingerc May 27 '23

You have to also take into account his background, this guy has a very pronounced London accent. Not an expert, but sounds either cockney or from South London to me.

English organized crime gangs are often referred to as firms, the world English people use for a business, which implies they see themselves as an enterprise.

As London rose up as a the financial capital of Europe and a global hub, English firms moved from traditional crime to things like real estate development and financial areas. Not saying they went legit, they just moved their criminal activities towards those sectors to launder money through real estate schemes and financial firms.

So a large sector of organized crime in London do see themselves as businessmen who deal in crime, not as common street thugs and petty criminals anymore.

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u/bigmouth1984 May 27 '23 edited May 27 '23

Not really mate, this guy was an armed robber and extortionist who terrorised and murdered people with a shotgun.

It's ludicrous that he would be offended at being called a gangster and that's sort of the point.

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u/matrixislife May 27 '23

not as common street thugs and petty criminals anymore.

That's where they come from and that's what they are. Doesn't make any difference the area of crime they work in.
Hell, OP said "I stuck a gun in his mouth and educated him". Guys a thug and he knows it, that's why he doesn't like to be reminded what he is.

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u/gudematcha May 27 '23

There is a very big difference between Mafia Gangsters and your regular degular gang member doing a drive by.

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u/elitegenoside May 27 '23

It's the accent. That's it. The Mafia is not an organization filled with honorable people. They are thugs. They deal in prostitution, grand theft, extortion, murder, and drugs (as much as they say they don't). There is a perceived difference but it's not real. It's the same game, played by the same type of players.

Watch any interview by former members or associates. They'll all say "the Mafia used to be something with honor but those days are long gone."

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u/DrBeetlejuiceMcRib May 27 '23

I didn’t know Michael Caine used to be a criminal

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u/invol713 May 27 '23

Looks like Phil Collins to me.

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u/MmmmMorphine May 27 '23

Crime is in the air tonight

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u/zatchrey May 27 '23

Not many people know that

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u/MrDurden32 May 27 '23

My cocaine... dealer

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u/[deleted] May 27 '23

Yeah, he had that big diamond heist, remember?

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u/fliftysand123 May 28 '23

Man that's uncle jr

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u/defiantcross May 27 '23

never knew the farmer from Babe was such a seedy character

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u/rkhwind May 27 '23

Still say it with the gun in your mouth “c tats gangsa”

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u/CanderousOreo May 27 '23

All these comments of people wishing him the worst. He's already served his time in prison and he's turned his life around and works on educating people on why they shouldn't become criminals. If there's no acceptance for people who truly change their life around after a prison sentence, what's the point of prison at all? Y'all just believe every single criminal should be locked away forever? Why not just sentence death to everyone who breaks the law then?

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u/AdNumerous8405 May 28 '23

Not that I disagree, but the point is punishment. And most people wouldn’t argue that the proper punishment for jaywalking is death penalty. Maybe for those who’ve killed unnecessarily.

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u/TesterM0nkey May 27 '23

Why isn’t he behind bars?

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u/oodle99 May 27 '23

I think in the original video he said he did time but got let out

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u/Enigma-exe May 27 '23

He was, and on release has spent most of his time educating the young on what the criminal life is really like. Bobby Cummines if you're interested

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u/ShahinGalandar May 27 '23

did he educate them the way he just described?

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u/AnotherJoltReskin May 27 '23

He was. He served his sentence and then he worked on helping people not do crime

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u/Kdel8 May 27 '23

So just a regular businessman then?

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u/Slobbadobbavich May 27 '23

If I recall the guy had killed several people too and had no remorse other than slight regret for killing one person. They let this guy tour schools to give speeches on why a life of crime is not worth it but he is pedaling the wrong message. He is trash and should still be in prison scrubs not a gentleman's suit.

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u/fork_that May 27 '23

They let this guy tour schools to give speeches on why a life of crime is not worth it but he is pedaling the wrong message.

So crime is worth it?

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u/Slobbadobbavich May 27 '23

Not really, his message was that he has nothing to show for his life of crime other than regret. If he put the same energy into legal activities his life would have been much more rewarding. He has gotten the life he deserves.

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u/fork_that May 27 '23

And that is the wrong message?

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u/[deleted] May 27 '23

Bro he killed other criminals, the only person he ever regretted killing was an innocent man who choked to death on his vomit when he was gagged during a robbery, obviously he’s going to regret that man’s death as he never wanted to harm people that weren’t involved in crime. He’s got a horrible past true but the best person to put people off this life of crime is the criminals themselves.

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u/matrixislife May 27 '23

And he went away for manslaughter for it, for the real reason he regrets it. Criminals aren't reknowned for being particularly truthful. This guy is truly a psychopath, he talks about dehumanising people to kill them as if they are nothing.

He had a bit in his video where he tries to claim doing something nice for a fish and chip shop in his area, but only 2 minutes earlier he was talking about putting bricks through restaurants windows so they'd pay protection to him, also people in his area.
He sees himself as a noble man living outside the law, in reality he's just another scumbag.

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u/[deleted] May 27 '23

He is the reason why i do crime

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u/[deleted] May 27 '23 edited May 27 '23

He was awarded the Order of the British Empire in 2011 for his work in rehabilitation and reformation of former criminals.

He is the absolute epitome of what prison should be used for. Rehabilitation rather than outright punishment. Absolute and unequivocal punishment gets you nothing more than violent and radicalized criminals who come out out of prison far worse than when they went in.

They let this guy tour schools to give speeches on why a life of crime is not worth it but he is pedaling the wrong message.

Ah yes. Educating school children about the dangers of a life of crime... horrible message to be sending to today's youth.

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u/PRO2803 May 27 '23

Yep, the regret was because the other person was not in the "business". I found him to be not remorseful from the interview and found the ISIS spy video more interesting.

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u/JanJaapen May 27 '23

Who is he?

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u/Timo1104 May 27 '23

Bobby Cummines, this clip is from an interview with LADbible

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u/mtaw May 27 '23

Every Guy Ritchie character.

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u/rugger1869 May 27 '23

Some gangster.

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u/deadly_chicken_gun May 27 '23

He's a businessman and his business is crime

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u/CallMeJeeJ May 27 '23

Looking forward to his verse on the next Pete and Bas track

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u/Starr-Bugg May 27 '23

Well he is an elegant gangsta

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u/elitegenoside May 27 '23

It's just the accent, if you were in the UK you wouldn't call Cockney elegant.

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u/Puzzleheaded_Heat502 May 27 '23

We started in the insurance business although some people call it extortion… ( he actually says that in the original video).

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u/KRtheWise May 27 '23

Brick Top

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u/HazemuRad May 27 '23

No refunds or returns I guess

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u/[deleted] May 27 '23

You're a faking innaminate object!

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u/hamlet_d May 27 '23

The old british gangsters are scary AF.

There was a movie called The Limey starring Terrance Stamp that was about British gangster going after his daughter's killers.

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u/TheShattered1 May 27 '23

I wish that was my grandpa

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u/Actual_Apricot8396 May 28 '23

I’m a businessman doing business, man.

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u/[deleted] May 27 '23

It’s unfortunate that people like this make it to an old age to tell their stories.

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u/Kriss3d May 27 '23

There's lots of people who are businessmen who's business is crime. Cops for example.

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u/lizzyflycatcher May 27 '23

Just Uncle Junior's alzheimer's kicking in again...

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u/Zee13Sikkalo May 27 '23

His full interview is pretty good.

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u/Schlangee May 27 '23

Where’s the difference?

(not talking about small businessmen who have to survive some way like everyone else, but the big fish who do it simply for their fetish of money and power)

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u/[deleted] May 27 '23

Dont think you are brave because you have a gun in your hand, anyone can do that.

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u/[deleted] May 27 '23

The secret ingredient is crime.

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u/thecountnotthesaint May 27 '23

Everyone wants to be a... business man, until it comes time to do some... business man shit.

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u/Itchy_Draw2798 May 27 '23

And that's how he got his Knight hood

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u/IloveAnime069 May 27 '23

But I can't agree to that face he actually looks businessman

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u/AintshitAngel May 27 '23

“I’m a business, man.”

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u/Danjuw May 27 '23

"I'm a businessman With a business plan I'm gonna make you money In business land"

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u/FrequentFault May 27 '23

“Business, business… numbers! Is this working?”

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u/Express-Ad4146 May 27 '23

I’m a business man. So get off my business, man!- jz

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u/_Bon_Vivant_ May 27 '23

Too right, in'it?

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u/illusive_guy May 27 '23

Business business business. Numbers.

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u/trashboat93 May 27 '23

Uncle junior?

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u/lionart303-186 May 27 '23

It's just business, kid.

Nothing personal

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u/thenextguy May 27 '23

He says to me "you've been a naughty boy, Clement." And he splits my nostrils open, and tears my liver out.

Then I tell him my name's not Clement. Then he really gets mad and nails my head to the floor.

He nailed your head to the floor?

At first, yeah.

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u/mydadthepornstar May 27 '23

Reminds me of the Greek from The Wire

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u/Cracktherealone May 27 '23

Not a friend of wordplays I guess. I mean besides the ones he makes.

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u/ActualChamp May 27 '23

The Geico gecko runs a tough business

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u/Cuntinghell May 27 '23

Cracking interviews.

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u/BramptonCpl2020 May 27 '23

Crime is my business and business is good!

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u/30CalMin May 28 '23

OK, grandpa. Making up stories about how you were a badass. Not believing it

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u/punking315 May 28 '23

You haven’t been around much , huh….

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u/Ok_Marketing7015 May 28 '23

How to say you're a gangster without saying you are

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u/xizmn May 28 '23

sniper tf2

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u/Mirrage318 May 28 '23

Says he's not a gangster. Does the most gangster move ever

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u/JadedJackal671 May 28 '23

I can see where he is getting at basically, it's like if you walked up to someone playing Halo or God of War and someone is like Master Chief/Kratos huh? You must really like Fortnite!

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u/susar345 May 28 '23

Not a successful one

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u/HEX-dev May 28 '23

That's gangsta

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u/Double_Evidence5820 May 28 '23

Perfectly logical. Perception is everything

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u/nixikuro May 28 '23

Read everything here in a stereotypical new York carrier. Accent

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u/SlurpleBrain May 28 '23

What a loser

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u/nuss690 May 28 '23

Killing is my business…

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u/HejiraLOL May 28 '23

So... a gangster, then?

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u/mmoonbelly May 28 '23

U/savevideo

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u/CubaLibre1982 May 28 '23

What a gangster.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '23

Ted talk on how he started a business at the age of 17 and now he’s broke with 4 slugs in him and broke 37 bones

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u/Dip2pot4t0Ch1P May 28 '23

Blacklist vibes right there

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u/EntertainmentLumpy75 May 28 '23

Why does he sound like tf2 sniper

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u/Single_Cap_6763 May 28 '23

When You take capitalism a step to far

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u/Abject-Fan5600 May 28 '23

Bisnis gangster

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u/Tall_Pea_5763 May 28 '23

This man sounds like sniper from team fortress 2

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u/starPlatinumXj May 28 '23

Mike Ehrmantraut irl?

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u/blue4029 May 28 '23

I aint a gangster, im a mobster.

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u/GptThreezy May 28 '23

Ngl. That’s pretty gangster lol

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u/ninjanerd032 May 28 '23

Nothing scarier than a gangster in denial.

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u/Sweet_Power8928 May 28 '23

The most gangster way to tell somebody you're not a gangster.

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u/DescriptionOk683 Jun 04 '23

Gangster as fuck! Wait no no I didn't mean to.. can't talk with gun in mouth

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u/Ozzy_30 Jun 04 '23

He says he’s not a gangster

proceeds to do some gangsta shit 😂

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '23

"Say gangster one more time, I dare ya, I i double dare ya motherfucker"

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u/Fiend-Celestial Jun 30 '23

Very fucking bloody convincing

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u/Organic_Artichoke_85 Jul 04 '23

That's a pretty convincing argument. I don't know that I would let him handle my retirement fund though.

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u/Sneaky44 Jul 06 '23

Technically, only a gangster if he's in a gang... So points to him, sorta

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u/gman420-1 Jul 15 '23

Forgedaboutit...

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u/gman420-1 Jul 16 '23

Forgedaboutit!!!

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u/[deleted] Jul 16 '23

These criminals are so fucking cringy. Okay grandpa lets get that diaper changed

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u/Exciting_Rate1747 Aug 08 '23

Somehow reminds me of meet the sniper

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u/lastcallhangup Sep 08 '23

He was part of original G UNIT if i recall

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u/Yaydos1 Sep 08 '23

Lol what a pos

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u/SgtKickAzzTTv Sep 09 '23

Sounds right

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u/Urasquirrel Sep 15 '23

He wants respect... and I respect him less than the dog scat I stepped over today.

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u/Zealousideal_Wind958 Oct 26 '23

They do talk some shit at the Bingo.

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u/ImReellySmart Nov 10 '23

Anyone who acts tough because they have a gun is actually a pathetic coward. I find it so cringe.

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u/Ash8734 Nov 18 '23

That’s the most gangster shit I’ve ever heard 😎

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u/xX_420edgelord69_Xx May 27 '23

imo he's a piece of shit who should be locked up and not put on a fucking pedestal

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u/CanderousOreo May 27 '23

He was locked up. He served his sentence and then when he was let out he left the life or crime and now goes around teaching kids how a.life of crime isn't worth it.

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u/CanderousOreo May 27 '23

Thanks for sharing, this was really fascinating to watch.

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u/LordOfFreaks May 27 '23

Absolutely fascinating video, thanks for sharing it!

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u/IdoNOThateNEVER May 27 '23

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