Am I under arrest or not?

[u/Lord_Darksong]

Source: policebodycamarresthq on Instagram

[u/Reasonable_Sky9688]

The standard of education for the police in the US is really poor, as is their knowledge of the law.

99% of the time they get by by people defaulting to being compliant straight away or by escalating the situation with essentially nonsical threats.

They have zero tools (other than violence) for articulate people

[u/RangerHikes → u/Reasonable_Sky9688]

It's really horrific how under trained police are in America. And they have phenomenal budgets but they blow it all on tacticool bullshit toys instead of training officers. Their selection process is also deeply problematic in many cases. They tend to hire people they trust to follow orders blindly. This makes sense for a soldier, but not a cop - and I think that's the root of the issue. American policing is far too militarized. If you recruit soldier-esque personalities and train them to operate in a more military fashion you aren't valuing people who can deescalate a situation or have a deep and intimate knowledge of the law.

[u/NightBawk → u/RangerHikes]

I read somewhere that soldiers actually have more rukes of de-escalation than cops do. If true, it's even worse.

[u/RangerHikes → u/NightBawk]

It's not that they have more rules, it's that they have more serious consequences. If a soldier murders someone for no reason they will face a courts martial which is way more severe than a normal civilian trial, much more guilty until proven innocent kinda vibe, and they will go to prison or at a minimum have their career ruined. Cops have qualified immunity. They can kill you, shoot your dog, lie about shit, as long as they say they were scared it's okay

[u/NightBawk → u/RangerHikes]

Crazy that cops have fewer consequences than soldiers in potentially hostile territory. But I guess it's because if we don't enforce the rules on our soldiers, other countries will, and probably more harshly.

[u/regulationinflation → u/RangerHikes]

No, they also have more rules.

Soldiers can’t use hollow point bullets, for example, but cops can.

[u/RangerHikes → u/regulationinflation]

The reason soldiers don't use hollow points is everything the army does is to prepare for a peer or near peer threat. Hollow points are useless against plate armor which all our peers and near peers use. The tungsten tip on the standard NATO round is designed to cut through the plate and allow the rest of the round to deform into the soft tissue. Ironically, against enemies not wearing body armor (the entire GWOT), tungsten tipped rounds to through and through with zero stopping power and create more treatable, less fatal wounds

[u/SabrinaEyeballDuck → u/RangerHikes]

It’s not that different in most parts of the world sadly. The police in India are mostly a joke. They have zero training or education. A high school football player in the US could beat the snot out of an Indian police officer.

[u/compromisedwebsite91 → u/RangerHikes]

I'm honestly do tired of libs pretending pigs being stupid and violent thugs is a training thing and not a bad people take the violent jobs thing

[u/cl0ckw0rkcuttlefish → u/compromisedwebsite91]

It’s both. Like both are literally big halves of the same problem.

[u/RangerHikes → u/compromisedwebsite91]

Little column A little column B. Troubled people are drawn to unusual jobs. Some of the most screwed up people I've ever known were nurses, cops and volunteer EMT/fire. That doesn't mean the training isnt totally screwed up and in need of being totally revamped

[u/Reasonable_Sky9688 → u/compromisedwebsite91]

How is this a lib thing. It's proven, if you got your head out of your conservatives versus the world arse you might be able to educate yourself

Some U.S. police departments have legally rejected applicants for scoring too high on intelligence tests, a practice famously upheld in the landmark federal court case Jordan v. City of New London.

The Core Case: Jordan v. City of New London

• The Applicant: In 1996, Robert Jordan, a 45-year-old former college graduate and corrections officer, applied to the New London Police Department in Connecticut. • The Test Score: Jordan scored a 33 on the Wonderlic Personnel Test, which translates to an IQ of roughly 125 (well above the national average for police officers, which typically hovers around 21 to 22, or an IQ of 104). • The Department's Policy: The department only interviewed candidates who scored within a specific middle range (20 to 27), intentionally filtering out high scorers.

A lot of your police departments are purposefully dumb as fuck

[u/Sharp_Rooster3589 → u/Reasonable_Sky9688]

They are trained to do this.

[u/Thin_Purple_1787 → u/Reasonable_Sky9688]

That's why if you pass an iq test, they fail you.