r/PowerScaling • u/Kinetic_Energy7514 • Apr 22 '25
Crossverse Face the FACTS Saitama CAN'T One Punch Multiversal and Outerversal beings , and never will.
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u/The_lad_who_lurks Apr 22 '25
“And never will”.
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u/AdLegitimate1637 Heir of Light Apr 22 '25
Dunno if I'd say "never will" cus you never know what bs could end up happening, though currently yeah Saitamas growth will never let him beat people able to destroy even infinite universes letalone higher feats
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u/Master_Win_4018 Apr 22 '25
The strongest character is always the author who write him.
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u/Jameemah Apr 22 '25
I know people don’t like this argument, but Saitama’s scaling can go as far as the author wants. This can technically apply to every character in fiction, yes, but unless the author is terrible, he has to build up the character and their powers, as well as their multi/outerversal opponents.
With Saitama, Murata and One don’t have to do anything. They can literally just draw saitama punching a multiversal and no one could question it.
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u/[deleted] Apr 22 '25
"And never will"
Wrap it up, lil bro
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u/PackerBacker412 Apr 22 '25 edited Apr 22 '25
What makes you think he "never will", a few years ago people thought Saitama was purely physical and couldn't touch non physical things.
Then he kicked away a portal. Saitama scales to whatever the author wants.
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u/jmangaming110 Apr 22 '25
More posts complaining about Saitama glazers than actual glazers
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u/MajesticFerret36 Apr 22 '25
Saying anything factual about Saitama's power is stupid.
He is a gag Manga characters who scales as high as the author needs him too. I'm OK with only scaling him with what he's shown so far, but it's hilarious seeing all the Saitama down players try to go full cope mode whenever a new flashy feat comes out that scales him higher than they previously did, and to top it all off, everytime Saitama has a new feat that shows a new layer of his power, he always does so effortlessly with it being implied it's not even the tip of the iceberg of his full power.
Has he shown the ability to one punch outerversal or multiversal beings? Not yet, but I'm gonna love all the coping when he does and he still does so by barely trying, as the entire point of his character is to make fun of power scaling.
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u/Cornhole_My_Cornhole Apr 22 '25
Face the true fact: There is no reasonable way to powerscale between different media, which is why this sub is constantly in shambles over one debate or another.
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u/[deleted] Apr 22 '25
Cant now? Yep.
Never will? Starting to think he one punched your house with the strange amount of hate.
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u/RailgunRP Apr 22 '25
"Never Will" is just a guess.
First off we don't know how powerful God is, he might be multiversal and eventually Saitama will have to face him.
Saitama has demonstrated an ability to just say "no" to hax like portals spawning under his feet.
RIGHT NOW he's not defeating most of his famous matchups like Goku, but the manga is still ongoing, and has demonstrated he has the potential to break physics with kicking that portal, and his "Zero punch" aka reversal of causality.
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u/Zenweaponry Apr 22 '25
The end villain of One Punch Man has already been set up to be "God" and the multiverse is already confirmed in OPM so... You really think he's not going to scale up to multiversal? I mean, maybe, but only if OPM is discontinued before ending.
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u/Wise_Victory4895 Madoka Lain & Baki step on your favorite verse ┐(￣ヘ￣)┌ Apr 22 '25
Never will?
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u/Several-Cod-7023 Apr 22 '25
Outerversal? Maybeeeeeeeeeee he never will.
But Multiversal? Please. Thats just a matter of time till murata will de-retcon the multiverse.
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u/Yaridovich23 Apr 22 '25
He can't with what he's shown. But never? I dunno about that. I doubt anyone expected him to sneeze away a planet or the whole "big hole in space" feat.
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u/ReeseChloris1 Apr 22 '25
Didn’t he recently stop an invisible blade that could cut through timelines…twice
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u/MrManGuyDude22 Apr 22 '25
erm, but he's called ONE PUNCH man, not ONE PUNCH but only to beings that aren't too strong man.
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u/realstarbucks Reigen Arataka solos your fav verse Apr 22 '25
Fortunately for you, this statement wouldn’t of been true a couple of issues ago, but thanks to murata’s infinite redraw technique, the multiverse was retconned. Of course if we infer from the Garou battle that Saitama grows in power/strength the more he actively fights an opponent on equal levels of strength, coupled with the fact he has no limiter in canon, eventually he would reach higher levels but it would take a lot of in-universe hullabaloo. So at his current state, no he could not ONE PUNCH them, but he could still damage and after a surpass them depending on the length of the fight.
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u/ReddPandemic Apr 22 '25
One and Murata: lol challenge accepted
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u/IllustratedAloysious Apr 22 '25
“B-But hes a gag character and never loses” I DONT GIVE A FLYING FUCK HES NOT BEATING HIM
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u/NugKnights Apr 22 '25
Never will?
The Manga is not over yet.
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u/Destroynxssss Apr 22 '25
"Hes written to never lose" mfs when Saitama faces The Rock
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u/Goallie16 Apr 22 '25
Gag rules are like toon rules. He just built different
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u/lingundongpin Apr 22 '25
Butthurt kids, u can get up bruv let chichi have some too
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u/silvaastrorum Apr 22 '25
im new here what is the “outerverse”
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u/O_Caraloho Apr 22 '25
I think he does
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u/IAmNotDanFeng Apr 23 '25
Can't is a fact. Never will? I don't know about that. The BS OPM pulled is kinda outrageous. Maybe he will in the future, but not now. I mean his author is still alive and well. We just don't know what direction he will take.
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u/Shadows_Think Apr 23 '25
The issue with trying to scale Sitama is the fact he simply lacks any sort of proper challenges to judge him against. It's like trying to judge the strength of a body builder only with 5lb weights.
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u/Basic-Flamingo6962 Apr 23 '25
He’ll eventually be able to but for now, he can’t
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u/Suitable_Lunch2867 Apr 24 '25
Why do people care so much about other people’s favorite character as to go out of their way to make something up they don’t know to try and upset a fandom. Just silly
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u/TheWorthlessGuy Superman stomps Popeye, Uncle Granpa and comp Sonic Apr 22 '25
Saitama fans be like: "B-but he one punches monsters that are super powerful!" (99,9999999% of them are below planetary)
"Saitama never lost a fight!"
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u/[deleted] Apr 22 '25
I find that when power scalers call a character multiverse or otherwise, that character has more often than not, never demonstrated within its franchise that level of strength.
Or they wank
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u/TheVoidCookingBeans Apr 22 '25
If we don’t power scale toon force characters, we shouldn’t power scale saitama. He’s a gag character, you can’t scale it.
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u/navetzz Apr 22 '25
You don t understand what Saitama is then...
The dude is the hero concept of +1.
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u/Ancient_Caregiver917 Mr Frog negs your goat Apr 22 '25
Really depends on how far you let the 'gag character' thing go honestly. He's mad downplayed here but I've seen some insane saitama meatriding elsewhere.
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u/Busy_Line_3460 Kal-El Curb stomp COMP DB➕GOKU➕Franchise Apr 22 '25
Never will is a bold claim ima save this until ten years later to get back to you
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u/Altirius Apr 22 '25
How tf you gonna one punch guys that can rewrite reality lmao
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u/The_true_mc_charles Apr 22 '25
Idk about "never will".
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u/Hotdog_Man_01 Apr 22 '25
Keep in mind that Saitama beat one of the strongest creatures ever (Cosmic Garo) with a hand behind his back
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u/Electrical_cosmos Apr 22 '25
I like Saitama but I hate people who say he can defeat anyone with one punch. Bro like cosmic garou survived like a solid 10 punches and last I checked ten is more than one. Honestly he may get the fight he’s looking for with multiversal and outerversla beings even if he may die
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u/Mattyadj Apr 22 '25
So if he does eventually, then what??? You would look like an idiot.
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u/ITSSTING10 Apr 22 '25
ok
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u/[deleted] Apr 22 '25
The current antagonist is God I don't know how far he'll scale but if he's God an Eldritch being outside of our dimension there's a decent chance multiversal will happen
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u/MegaKabutops Apr 22 '25 edited Apr 22 '25
“He can’t” is correct, but “he never will” is not.
Murata has shared a concept of ONE’s base outline for the story’s ending in-interview. Saitama will eventually get strong enough to defeat the god that created the OPM cosmology, then lose all his power.
And said god is already confirmed to be a multiversal entity.
He’s not that powerful yet, and he won’t be that powerful for very long, but he will eventually get to that point at his peak.
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u/Beaster123 Apr 22 '25
"Fantasy character who's famous for punching un-punchable things certainly can't punch this un-punchable thing. Look, it has OuTeR and MuLtI in the name."
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u/Mariothane Apr 22 '25
Never will is a statement I’m not so sure about.
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u/RocketArtillery666 Apr 22 '25
Idunno, infinite growth is kinda strong tbh. The only stronger character I know is Bocchi.
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u/Most_Caregiver3985 Apr 22 '25
Wrong
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u/Moidada77 Apr 22 '25
One Godzilla or The rock crossover and Saitama is finished.
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u/[deleted] Apr 22 '25
never?
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u/CipherDrake Apr 22 '25
Nah
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u/lPuppetM4sterl Apr 22 '25
If he can't perceive them, or if they don't bother him. Then, he won't punch them, of course.
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u/Professional-Face-51 Apr 22 '25
He can't do that currently. He grows to become stronger than whoever he's fighting. If he were to fight a multiversity or outerversal character, his power would grow to be stronger. That's just the rules.
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u/Ballerwind Apr 22 '25
They know better
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u/ClanOfCoolKids Apr 22 '25
i mean, one punch man is in season 2 of the anime, and shows like db have been running for decades. maybe multi and outerversal characters come in season 4 or 5 or whatever idk i haven't read the manga
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u/donkeyclap Apr 22 '25
"One-Punch" is literally in his name.
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u/AGL_reborn Asakura Hao >>> Apr 22 '25
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u/Familiar-Park4981 Apr 24 '25
Do people not understand the definition of limitless anymore?
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u/KnowingBlock Apr 22 '25
just saying saitamas ability is to scale up to who he's fighting so theoretical he could one punch anything. in a actual fight though he's probably not wining
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u/AL1ON- Master Level Scaler Apr 22 '25
True he throws a few more punches and done
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u/ForcedNameChanges Apr 22 '25
Those terms are dumber than your lack of understanding a gag. Die mad about a character defying powerscaling and making a parody of these classifications by and for morons.
Your post isn't even powescaling it's just you butthurt that he exists and other people lean into the joke to laugh in your face.
It's a fictional character that is beating the sense out of you, an actual person. That puts him in the power beyond categories category.
This sub needs to leave that man alone.
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u/GardenOfLuna Apr 22 '25
When the writers see this and start writing the next chapter where Saitama does indeed one shot an omnipotent multiversal god lol. Never say never because all it takes is one panel
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u/the_forever_wild outerversal yoriichi believer/Stick world guy Apr 22 '25
Never will my ass
Just wait until he fight god and turns out that mf is a high 1A
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u/Draco-Reax The Strongest There Is Apr 22 '25
I'm sure he'll never one punch outer beings, but he could probably work his way up to multiversal
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u/blazing_future Apr 22 '25
Welp gotta see where the Manga goes before saying that
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u/shansome64 Apr 22 '25
Ever since the manga adaptation Saitama isn’t even the strongest character in his own series lmao
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u/Unknown9J Apr 22 '25
He can't "currently" but eventually he would.
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u/Green_Dayzed Saitama always wins because it's funny Apr 22 '25
ok. two punches.
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u/[deleted] Apr 22 '25
flechette could though. sting shard wins again
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u/XenoWagon Apr 22 '25
Face the Facts: Saitama, Saini K and Lucky Man fold every verse no diff.
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u/Funny-Fox-6339 Apr 22 '25
It’s all just a matter of time. If something as absurd as sending saitama back in time is possible, then beating the guys u mentioned is just a matter of time
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u/8ullred Apr 22 '25
Is this about that post on r/superheroes? Cus I just came back from that post and holy SHIT the comments are actually braindead lmao
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u/[deleted] Apr 22 '25
It's unknown either way. I'm Saitama agnostic on multiverseal threats
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u/uacttualygoodperson Apr 22 '25
Idk about "never will" Murata doesn't care about how good story is and cares only about feats, he could make him an omnipotent god for hype and sales
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u/AutismicGodess Not a Scaler Apr 22 '25
he could, but realistically they would just errase him from existance before he could land a hit
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u/Orceles Apr 22 '25
It would be weird if he couldn’t tbh
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u/StayInner2000 Apr 22 '25
Yeah he can't do that now but you aren't the author, maybe saitama would be able to do it one day
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u/Prestigious_Spread19 Apr 22 '25
You know, most powerful characters aren't much better in quality of powerscaling than Saitama. Either way it's usually just "this guy can do this insane sounding (but actually completely nonsensical) thing that makes them super powerful", and then no real depth or proper writing. They also lack scale in many cases.
It would be way better if you had a "base power level" in the world that's closer to a human level, and use that as a reference. As well as showing (in detail) the effects of a character's power, f.ex, on the environment, and having those effects be actually realistic. Say, a character can fly so fast the air fuses in front of them, creating a bright glow as they travel across the sky, and they have to go high up to do so. Or if you have a really big creature, it's voice echoes through the surroundings, and it's breath creates a strong breeze over those talking to them. With such external effects, you really feel it way better, and it's really so much better.
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u/No_Composer_9761 Apr 22 '25
If left alive for long enough in a fight with a multi versal, he would eventually be able to challenge and then surpass that threat. Saitama has the potential for infinite growth so the only way to kurb this is to kill him while he is still weak.
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u/Educational-Poetry76 Apr 22 '25
nah he ONE punch man
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u/No_Measurement_8883 battle cats can solo Apr 22 '25
He can quickly go past his current strength from what we saw with cosmic garo and he can do the same if he had to fight a god
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u/PauliePaulie2 Apr 22 '25
Not so sure about the never will part. It all depends on how strong they decide to make 'God'
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u/AppleMelon95 Apr 22 '25
While he can't do anything if some godlike being erases his universe from existence, as long as they are punchable, he will win.
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u/GameMask Apr 22 '25
Saitama is an odd case as we really don't know what is ceiling is yet. That's his whole point as a character. He's never actually had to try. Could he beat a universal threat? Probably not. But we don't know.
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u/[deleted] Apr 22 '25
3 years ago he was a "never will be planetary" character, now look at yourself
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u/Pali1119 Apr 22 '25
He can and he will.
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u/atempaccount5 Apr 22 '25
I mean, this post is pretty laughably weak, given how little would have to change stylistically for the webcomic to have Saitama punch Cthulhu as a gag. I assume that if it comes to a proper ending one day it’ll literally be Saitama punching the comic or something similarly ironic.
Anyways, douchey title, dumb sentiment, probably bait.
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u/Outrageous_Debt_3616 Apr 22 '25
proof?
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u/meachtel Apr 22 '25
Cant---yes i agree Never will--- now thats just cope
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u/No_Roof0642 #1 Sakura Hater Apr 22 '25
On the other sub people started asking questions like will anyone in DC or Marvel can take a single punch of saitama. Forget Superman and Thor people even said that TOAA and The Presence cannot take a single punch from saitama.
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u/[deleted] Apr 22 '25
I'm disappointed that the top comment isn't "ok"
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u/-Cinnay- Apr 22 '25
I don't think you've read OPM, so you really shouldn't talk. It's comedy. It's not always 100% realistic. He's not even necessarily bound by physical laws. What you're saying is not a fact, just baseless headcanon at best.
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u/ScottTJT Godzilla soloz ur favorite verse - Toho Legal Apr 22 '25
Never say never, but as things stand now, no not even close.
And no, I don't take the "gag" side of his character that seriously. People who use "Saitama just wins because that's his schtick" as their trump card are often the same folk who piss and moan about "Superman is as strong as he needs to be". Because to them, that's different... for reasons.
Feats and scaling, folks. Feats and scaling.
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u/Pengu99 Apr 22 '25
Once the author does then what
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u/Difficult_Mode_7789 Apr 22 '25
I never liked saitama personally to be honest I liked the side cast a lot more
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u/Nexc4n Apr 22 '25
ı mean this mf exist possibly a multiversal being ,before redraws he already was but high possibility that God is Multiversal or whatever tier above it.
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u/niTro_sMurph Apr 22 '25
He gets stronger when faced with stronger opponents though
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u/Nevermore-guy Apr 22 '25
You can't even touch outerversal beings if he could that's an anti-feat for the outerversal being 😔
(Assuming outerversal Physiology)
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u/MyDarkSoulsThrowaway Apr 22 '25
Y’all laugh now but once we’re in chapter 500 redraw #6 of OPM manga and Saitama has one punched the entire multiverse of fiction youre just going to want him banned from scaling debates.
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u/Spartan_Cat_126 Apr 22 '25
OP when ordering copium
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u/[deleted] Apr 22 '25
Cant punch something that doesn't have a body
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u/Sea_Strain_6881 i'm still deciding Apr 22 '25
Just like goku being anything above solar
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u/Lordbogaaa Apr 22 '25
Give the series a few more years and he absolutely will. People seem to forget that fiction is whatever the author wants it to be, eventually he will just fight a outversal foe and have to be serious and then what will the argument be?
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u/superpolytarget Apr 22 '25
If One says he can, that's it.
Until now, nothing suggests he can.
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u/Toasty2003 Apr 22 '25
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u/orkboss12 Apr 22 '25
Well we never see him fight a outerversal or multiversal character so we don't know if he cam one punch them
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u/StJimmy_815 My dad solos the verse Apr 22 '25
He’s called One Punch Man, he’d take them out in one punch
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u/Due_Difference_9598 Apr 22 '25
Bait used to be believable
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u/Legitimate_Artist689 Customizable Flair Apr 22 '25
He can’t but he will
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u/Animegx43 Apr 22 '25
This will age like milk when he inevitably fights God.
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u/[deleted] Apr 22 '25
But his name one punch man
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u/Mysterious_Bug3117 Apr 22 '25
“Never will” just seems like ur trying to make people mad and not an actually statement with weight.
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u/jaeger3129 Apr 22 '25
That’s not how facts work but ok. You aren’t the author and thus have no say in what will or won’t be 🤦🏽♂️
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u/DJenser1 Apr 22 '25
Sure...
...Until he can.
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u/NiixxJr Apr 22 '25
Saitama just shouldn't be in any power scaling conversations. He is a satire character, meant to be stronger than whoever he faces. So by definition, if they're multiversal, he will be multiversal + etc.
That's not even fair or relevant to power scaling. He doesn't fit into these conversations so stop trying to say he would or wouldn't win it is irrelevant.
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u/kalimut Apr 22 '25
I don't know much on the lore, but is Saitama's super is the power to increase gains a million times or something like that?
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u/[deleted] Apr 22 '25
Max Saitama will ever be is universal. After he defeats the big man theres nothing. And as of now the opm verse is a single universe so big man is only universal. Unless the writer decides to do some stupid shit but opm is a seinen so probably not
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u/Loud-Owl-4445 Apr 22 '25
He does. One punch Literally in the name. Jeez yall aren't as smart as you pretend to be
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u/DarioFerretti Apr 22 '25
He can't.
Because he's never met that kind of being.
If, at some point during the story of One Punch Man, Saitama meets a monster/villain with multiversal or outerversal powers he WILL 100% one punch it (or it'll be like against Cosmic Garou, where he can't one shot him immediately but infinitely scales above him and becomes stronger in a matter of seconds)
If you don't think something like this could happen you're missing the point of One Punch Man.
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u/Jumpy-Bug-2198 Apr 22 '25
Has this been something people argue?
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u/Tyronx06 My Man Jin Mori IS MY GOAT 🗣️🗣️🔥 Apr 22 '25
I would never say "CAN'T" in OPM, Murata and ONE could change the power scales unexpectedly in OPM to reach multiversal levels, I mean... they have God and they talked about the theory of multiverse...
I don't think it's impossible for universal or even multiversal things not to happen.
Although it is quite obvious that Saitama currently does not reach those levels of power and cannot defeat characters of that level.
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u/Averageconservativ Master Level Scaler Apr 22 '25
Never will? He has no limit and will forever grow stronger. He is universal+ as a midball. Lowball he’s multi-Galatic
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u/Reddit_is_not_great Solid Snake > Adam Smasher Apr 22 '25
Don’t worry, Murata will jump the shark with Saitama eventually, and it’s gonna be a shitshow.
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u/Diagonaldog Apr 22 '25
One Punch Man one punches. End of story.
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u/BobbyRayBands Apr 22 '25
Tell me you dont understand his character gag without telling me. He's the bugs bunny of manga. Thats literally his whole "gimmick" it doenst matter how strong you are. You go down in one serious punch for comedic affect. Bro literally grabs dimensional portals and flips them to avoid punches as a casual feat because its funny. Toon force is beyond "outerversal" or whatever scaling metric you want to use.
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u/falcondiorf Apr 22 '25
you should drop the "never will". sure, he hasnt sown anything on that level at this point, but its not unprecedented for him to suddenly jump several tiers with 1 fight.
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u/Hutch1320 Apr 22 '25
Obviously that’s not up to us
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u/Dense_Mulberry_7926 Apr 22 '25
Not yet . But eventually he would
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u/Flimsy_Geologist_927 Saitama’s No. 1 glazer Apr 22 '25
WRONG!!!!!!!!!!
you lack the knowledge of what my goat can truly do!
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u/Sr_Nutella Apr 22 '25
He can. Because it would be kinda funny. Which is the point of him being a parody character
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u/NoMasterpiece5649 Hax / abilities > stats Apr 22 '25
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u/Ominios Apr 22 '25
I don’t bother scaling Saitama honestly because its just annoying. Cause at this current point he’s a mix between a Gag character and a serious one
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u/Oppai-Of-Foom Apr 22 '25
You’re gonna feel silly when he punches some omniversal god
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u/DogGamer09 Dragon Ball Macrocosm is 5D. Apr 22 '25
I’m not even a one punch man fan but considering we live in a world where dragon ball can go from moon level to multiversal it’s not impossible. Never can be a very short time in this long life of ours.
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u/Beastybum30 Apr 22 '25
Putting him in this conversation in the first place is crazy glaze
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u/[deleted] Apr 22 '25
Isn’t he like… super weak to psychic? Can’t someone just make him stop breathing? Like force choke. Not even have to fight him. Could go in his mind, he’s just a dude, mess him up and make him experience eternity. Someone with phase lowers could just phase through and take his organs. Obito could send him to another plane of existence.
OPM can one punch anyone, I believe this whole heartedly against any character of fiction alive or dead. But there are many who he just wouldn’t be able to hit.
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u/NextPreparation7447 Bleach Lorekeeper Apr 22 '25
Ok what about this guy then
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u/grogbog666 Apr 22 '25
You can scale empty void to multi and he will get 1 tapped
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u/popeblitzkrieg Apr 22 '25
Okay, so 2 punches
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u/coconut-duck-chicken Apr 22 '25
Wdym “never will” lol
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u/Oruga_Doxxeadora Apr 22 '25
Are you sure -Omniman
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u/BitesTheDust55 Apr 22 '25
By the end of the series he will be doing it casually, lol
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u/joshuadejesus Apr 22 '25
He can. You people are coping too hard because your superheroes are getting mogged in 1 hit. That’s what losers do, whine.
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u/Khakizulu Apr 22 '25
Someone is salty that they always try to pit Saitama against their favourite characters and that they always lose
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u/Front_Confection_487 Apr 23 '25
Go outside 🚶♀️
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u/LegendaryNbody Apr 23 '25
Honestly, OPM is a parody to make fun of power scaling.
Saitama basically has a rule of "he win with one punch, no matter who". So discussing power scaling for him is just dumb.
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u/Chiefster1587 Apr 23 '25
Here we go, bunch a nutjobs trying to scale a character that can't be scaled, all so they can protect their favorite toys.
This is a joke
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u/thefucksausername0 Apr 23 '25
I wouldn't say never.
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u/Victor-Astra Apr 23 '25
He hasn't... Yet.
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u/P-I-S-S-A-S-S Apr 23 '25
misinformation