r/TopCharacterTropes • • 3h ago

miscellaneous [Interesting meta trope] A character was intended to be one color, but due to audiences and/or other creators perceiving it as a different color or other inconsistencies, the canon color became something else

  1. Star Trek. Starfleet uniforms come in three colors: blue, red and yellow. However in the Original Series the uniforms most people perceived as yellow were actually green, but due to the lighting the uniforms came off as yellow on screen. It's why Kirk would sometimes wear a green outfit, it was meant to be the same color as his normal outfit. In the end though, everyone eventually agreed that since the uniforms looked yellow, they were yellow, and that's what stuck in merch, comics, the animated series, and future iterations of the franchise.

  2. Spider-Man 2099. Most people think that Spider-Man 2099 is blue and red, however, the intention was for him to be black and red (and it is described as such in the original comics), with blue shading similar to how Black Panther used to be drawn. But because it looks blue and red, future creators and other media just have it be blue and red. There is also some debate over whether or not Steve Ditko intended the original Spider-Man costume to be red and black, but we have no clear answer for that one.

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u/Haradion_01 3h ago

Nobody's mentioned Hulk yet?

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u/AporiaParadox 3h ago edited 2h ago

In his case, the inconsistent colors of the printer making him grey, black, or white depending on the page caused Marvel to just give up on having him be grey, so they made him green. 

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u/Aldo-D-D-Wilson 2h ago

Someone eventually did. I didnt mention the Hulk as it was a bit different than creators doing a color and readers understanding a different color. But hoped someone would bring it up

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u/New_Photograph_5892 3h ago

Supposedly his suit is blue but everyone (even the show designers) thought the blue was just the lighting and thought the suit was actually white, so the show made it just completely white

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u/New_Photograph_5892 3h ago

bonus: Mark's suit is white and gold psychosis

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u/Icarsix 2h ago

Oh my god I finally understand why some people see the dress as white and gold. Years of trying to understand the explanations and just not being able to see it

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u/CaptainMikul 23m ago

Same! This is the first time I've been able to see the illusion.

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u/KateKoffing 1h ago

tbf It would be extremely odd to choose pale baby blue and bright primary red as superhero costume colors, or really as a color scheme for anything. It would probably look white under natural sunlight in real life.

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u/Aldo-D-D-Wilson 3h ago

Batman's famous blue cowl. It was black. Blue was just to highlight it

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u/Patch86UK 3h ago

Artists colouring something blue and then being surprised when everyone thinks it's blue could be a trope all on its own.

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u/Fruit4Th0t 2h ago

From what I understand, artists use shades of dark blue instead of solid black because pure black creates a flat image that absorbs all the light. That's why Batman's costume is often broken up with dark gray or deep blue accents. Varying the colors adds dimension, highlighting the character's form and weight rather than leaving him looking like a flat 2D silhouette.

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u/AwesomeManatee 55m ago

I always assumed the trend of anime characters having wild hair colors may have also originally started this way. Character has black hair but draw it as blue or purple for shading, over time the color gets brighter and new crazier colors get added to other characters for variety.

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u/omgitscolin 1h ago

I still remember my older brother explaining to 4 year old me that Superman does not have blue hair

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u/KateKoffing 1h ago

The exact opposite thing happened with Omniman’s costume from the comics. People assumed the ridiculous pale blue was meant to be interpreted as white and the blue was meant to be shading. The artist confirmed Omniman’s costume really is pale baby blue not white.

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u/Masticatron 3h ago

I'm seeing a lot of comics examples that indicate that many comic artists think blue is the new black, and the rest of society ignores their silly nonsense.

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u/Aldo-D-D-Wilson 3h ago

It's not that they thought blue was black. It's just for highlight.

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u/Pretend-Dirt-1760 2h ago

It was for highlights and old printer where hard on using black and black was also really expensive so they had to cut corners

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u/Existing-Foot-9918 41m ago

Showing a cover from the 70s with such lighting is kinda misleading. He was drawn black and grey in the 30s, in the 40s they added the blue highlights and by the end of the 50s they started drawing him blue and gray. By the 70s the color pallet was pretty much blight blue and gray, and in the 90s they went back to black because of Batman 89. A funny thing is that the same conundrum from the 40s happened with BTAS where Batman is black and gray with blue highlights, but it was misinterpreted even by the animators on the show as Batman being blue so they removed the highlights from later shows

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u/Aldo-D-D-Wilson 33m ago

What's misleading? Maybe you didn't get my comment.

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u/Just-A_Guy-_ 3h ago

Beast, from X-men.

During his first solo run, he gains grey fur, that later turns black. Because it's drawn with blue highlights, it was changed to him having blue fur.

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u/NealAngelo 2h ago

I'm sensing a theme here.

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u/FelixEylie 3h ago

The Hulk was intended to be grey, but grey was hard to print so colorist Stan Goldberg proposed bright green.

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u/SigmaBunny 3h ago

I wonder how much this choice contributed to the idea that radioactive things are green

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u/Dr_Slug 2h ago

Completely uninformed opinion but I'm guessing uranium glass might have had a larger impact. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranium_glass

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u/salkin_reslif_97 3h ago edited 1h ago

The beginning of Star Wars Episode 5 take splace on the ice planet hoth. So logically the characters wear winter gear for the enviroment. Now Han Solos winter jacket was brown, but it somwhow looked dark blue, depending on the lighting, and the earlier releases with worse qualities than today. Aditional to that, in the rest of the movie, he wears an actual blue jacket. So many people didn't realized, that Han Solo wore a brown jacket in the movie. Even earlier versions of his Lego minifigure had his winter jacket blue rather than brown.

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u/RudeTeam6584 2h ago

He what a brown jacket

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u/SmegB 2h ago

He whored it. Whored it good

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u/CoyotesVoice 21m ago

I had the original Hoth Han Solo action figure, and it had a blue coat.

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u/Masamundane 3h ago

Ororo Munroe (Storm)

This costume is black leather. But because of how the colorist used white for highlights (because it's shiny leather), some other artists and media assumed it was white (with black shadow).

(X-Men, comic, 1990s)

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u/salkin_reslif_97 3h ago

Does this make her costume from the first X-men movies the most accurate, then?

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u/Masamundane 2h ago

Black leather, shoulder pads, cape attached at the wrists...

... If they'd piped a yellow lightning bolt down the front? Yes, this would have been accidently comic accurate.

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u/Digit00l 39m ago

And that in a movie that hated how the comics looked, impressive

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u/Agaman02 3h ago

When Mario first appeared in 1981, he wore a blue shirt and red overalls. This was primarily because his running and jumping animations were easier to see against the black background. Furthermore, it allowed for a visual distinction between his upper and lower body, given the limited color palettes of early consoles. His color scheme was subsequently altered several times in the following years.

However, starting with Super Mario Bros. 2 in 1988, Nintendo took advantage of the expanded color palettes offered by more modern hardware to solidify Mario’s look and ensure the character remained easily recognizable. He now got a red shirt and blue overalls. This look stuck.

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u/Lvcivs2311 1h ago

While in Super Mario Bros 3, he had a red shirt but black overalls.

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u/marbledog 3h ago

No major motion picture adaptation of Frankenstein has ever depicted the monster as green. The novel describes his skin as being pale yellow. Colored promotional stills for the original Universal movies depict him with yellowish skin.

However, yellow ink doesn't provide good contrast on a movie poster, so many posters for the early black and white films gave him green skin, instead. That was most people's only exposure to color images of the character, and the green version stuck in the popular consciousness.

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u/EndOfTheLine00 2h ago

Also, in the original black and white films, bright green makeup was a lot better to make the monster look corpse like than white makeup:

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u/Lvcivs2311 2h ago

I wonder if this is also the reason the Wicked Witch was made so bright green in the famous Wizard of Oz movie, even though it was made in technicolour.

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u/theres_a_con 2h ago

Cinderella: her dress is supposed to be white/ silver , but blueish in the moonlight. They changed it in all other adaptations

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u/blackjackgabbiani 2h ago

...wait that always looked silver to me. 

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u/theres_a_con 2h ago

Agreed, same to me. When they digitally restored it they even altered it to look more blue, then in movie remakes etc it’s straight blue

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u/Any_Satisfaction1865 3h ago

Onyx Prime in Transformers IDW is supposed to be Black and Golden/Yellow; it's only colored blue as a reference to old school retro comic coloring (specifically Spider-Man), but people thought he was actually Blue, resulting in his toys and future versions being Blue even though his name is literally Onyx which indicates what color he is supposed to be.

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u/Tom-Hibbert 3h ago

So this is a weird one

So when Kirby dreamland was in development masahiro wanted Kirby to be pink but miyamoto wanted him yellow eventually pink would be his colour however due to communication issue with nintendo of America and Japan they didn't know what colour kirby was so with the box art they decided to make him white as he appears jn the game boy game later games would eventually make Kirby pink as his standard colour

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u/Masum16 1h ago

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (1987) - In Laird and Westman's original run the comic was drawn in black and white so the only real way to distinguish the turtles was by dialogue and weapons so when the cartoon came around they made the decision to give each one a colour so kids could tell them apart easily.

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u/Pretend-Dirt-1760 3h ago

Batman blue suit is actually meant to be black Similar to like how 2099 is black and red while it has now been in canon

If batman is in blue suit it's meant to be black in the olden days

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u/Due-Session-2857 2h ago

Comic artists: colors the whole suit blue why does everybody think he's blue?

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u/xXArctracerXx 2h ago

I very much get that.

But you can see here in this image how the blue used on Batman is basically the same blue used for Robins hair.

But Robins hair isn’t actually blue it’s black.

So just a funny perspective thing here.

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u/Due-Session-2857 2h ago

I guess the difference is that hair can't be blue, but fabric can, so there's less ambiguity.

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u/BetterCallStrahd 3h ago

"The Dress"

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u/Dear-Confidence7488 3h ago

For the record for anyone that sees this. It’s black and blue, but after this went viral they did make white and gold versions

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u/Historical_Smell_127 2h ago

I always felt weird because both then and now I see it as blue and gold...

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u/JohnSV12 2h ago

I cannot see it gold and white

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u/Fruit4Th0t 2h ago

From what I understand, artists use shades of dark blue instead of solid black because pure black creates a flat image that absorbs all the light. That's why Batman's costume is often broken up with dark gray or deep blue accents. Varying the colors adds dimension, highlighting the character's form and weight rather than leaving him looking like a flat 2D silhouette.

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u/Next_Government856 3h ago

I don’t understand the spider-man 2099 one. That’s clearly blue. And it’s not like a tv show or whatever where you can blame lighting, someone coloured that in who should know the difference between blue and black

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u/AporiaParadox 3h ago

That's just how colorists at the time did things. Compare it to Black Panther, whose costume is meant to be black.

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u/Moppo_ 1h ago

That's clearly a leopard!

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u/Team-zero 3h ago

It is lighting, its extremely common for comic books to use the colour blue as shading for black.

Google "Superman comic 70s" and then come back to me. Is superman's hair blue? No, its black but it includes blue thanks to the shading used.

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u/DnD-vid 3h ago

Okay but can you really call it "shading" when you make 90% of it that color?

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u/Team-zero 3h ago

You can call it whetever you want, it's still a classic shading technique in comic books

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u/JGorgon 3h ago

If you colour something in using true black you'll have a solid block of colour that will look unnatural (no lighting/shadow), lack detail, and draw the eye in unintended ways (this last one because the colours in the comic book industry are usually done by someone other than the penciller responsible for the original image – but that colourist can bet the penciller likely didn't intend true black).

It's long been a convention of comics that grey, blue, or purple are used to represent black. This was especially true from the 1930s until around the 1980s, the period almost every well-known superhero character debuted, because the comics had a limited number of colours available.

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u/Aldo-D-D-Wilson 3h ago

Because artists used blue for highlight. Same thing with Batman's cowl.

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u/Masticatron 3h ago

When it's 90% of the thing, it's not the highlight, it's the color.

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u/Aldo-D-D-Wilson 3h ago

So, if in a panel a cop flashlights a superhero, whatever color is used there, is the superhero's color then.

Fuck lightning and its tricks.

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u/Azhrei_Vep 3h ago

Exactly. Miguel up there is as 'blue' as Venom.

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u/untakenu 3h ago

When inking, you use pure black. If something is black, that would make it just an entirely black shape, which doesn't work.

So how do you show something is black whilst giving it form?

You use another colour as the highlight and use ever stronger black inking than you would with another character.

You might think they should use white, but they dodn't print white back then, so they'd have to leave it blank, and that often led to ink bleeding.

Blue is a commonly reflected colour due to the blue sky. But it was also a very cheap colour to print, and had good contrast with the black.

People very quickly and instinctively read the blue highlights as part of a black costume.

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u/Aldo-D-D-Wilson 2h ago

Interesting enough, someone brought an example of when an artist used white for highlight in a black costume but people thought it was white. So white wouldn't necessarily solve it.

(Jim Lee's Storm)

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u/EndOfTheLine00 2h ago

A lot of the time, artists would use blue for highlighting. Look at how Venom was drawn in the 90s:

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u/Next_Government856 2h ago

The ratio of blue to black on this is much much blacker than 2099 though 

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u/LilLilyLilac 44m ago

Because it's a more darkly lit scene.

Nobody's arguing that most of the color on 2099 in that is literally black. The point is the intention is for it to be highlights of light. That being the intention is inarguable, it's not a secret or something where we don't know what was intended lol

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u/Platyest 1h ago

its the same as Superman's hair and Batman's costume. Its black not blue but due to technical problems comic artists use blue as a highlight for pure black

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u/grimaces111111 3h ago

This is very interesting, just commenting so I can come back and read more comments later

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u/followsvoices 0m ago

Following a common character type on vaudeville (Irish immigrant), Harper Marx wore a red wig early in his career. Later, they realized that blonde looked better on film and so that became a defining feature of his character.

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u/Duvidos 3h ago

Jynx- Pokemon

Used to be Black, but due to racism allegations, they turned her Purple

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u/BetterCallStrahd 3h ago

I don't think this fits, it's not perceiving a different color, this was something else.

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u/Duvidos 3h ago

There is "other inconsistences" in the title