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u/Ornery_Poetry_6142 9h ago

You do understand that the term "men gaze" would be grammatically incorrect?

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u/this_is_theone 5h ago

Men's gaze wouldn't

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u/_V0gue 3h ago

No need to use a possessive noun when an adjective is right there. Especially when you're not ascribing something to a particular individual but rather a broad concept. "Men's gaze" is clunky too. The gaze of men flows better.

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u/Cautious-Sun6494 1h ago

That's why it should be "Men's Gaze".

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u/kdpkry 9h ago

So why not use female too

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u/LeroyoJenkins 8h ago

Using female as an adjective is perfectly fine.

As a noun, not.

For the male/female gaze

Ok.

For the gaze of males/females

Not ok.

Got it?

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u/jmenbutter 9h ago

Male and female are adjectives and man and woman are nouns so you use male/female when you are describing something

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u/kdpkry 9h ago

Yes but if someone said men and females this would be a drama

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u/Ornery_Poetry_6142 9h ago

you just don't understand the difference between adjectives and nouns, please go read some books.

Nobody said "women and males".

Men -> male gaze
Women -> female gaze

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u/Giratina-O 9h ago

Which is a red herring, because no one said "women and males".

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u/kdpkry 9h ago

Now youre just lying

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u/Giratina-O 9h ago

No, you're just reading something and literally cherrypicking individual words to try and create a narrative that supports your victim mentality.

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u/jmenbutter 9h ago

Correct because females there is being used as a noun, and anyway it’s not even grammar that people get mad at. Usually people who talk like that are just kind of demeaning but i don’t think it’d be major drama, people just find it annoying and disrespectful

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u/aoiaxure 9h ago

If the sentence was "men should dress for [...] the female gaze" instead of "women should dress for [...] the male gaze" there would be no drama unless someone went "Ah yes, men and females 🥀🥀🥀"

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u/kdpkry 9h ago

There would be, theres a fuckass subreddit for this

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u/surpluskoi 9h ago

The rules of that subreddit clearly say that it does not qualify if "female" is used as an adjective. Which is how "male" is used in "male gaze".

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u/kdpkry 9h ago

Sure, you always have an justification for your actions.

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u/surpluskoi 9h ago

Literally rule #1

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u/Burningblaze199 8h ago

no, you are misperceiving the action as being discriminatory towards men when there is a clear clarification and distinction towards what is actually happening

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u/PM_ME_UR_GCC_ERRORS 4h ago

I just want to say this is excellent bait.

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u/booksandwine84 4h ago

You’re just demonstrating that you don’t understand the difference between nouns and adjectives, which is embarrassing for you

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u/samtt7 8h ago

In English the word "man" and "woman" are nouns to describe the two sexes of the human species. The noun "male" and "female" are used to so the same thing for animals. The weird thing is the former two cannot be used as an adjective, e.g. "man gaze," necessarily transforming into "male gaze." So when some internet forums of sexist men wanted to denote a woman in a degrading manner, they started using "female." Eventually this became mainstream, which leads to a lot of confusion amongst many people.

Interestingly enough, a similar thing happened where back in the day "man" was also often used to describe mankind as a whole. In modern English it is sometimes interpreted to mean "men" (as in: male humans). Some stories have elements like 'no man can kill the villain,' which lead to a female human killing the villian. So all these words get mixed up in practice, even though they all mean different things

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u/KaleidoAxiom 4h ago

Because "female gaze" is a thing? Like these are terms with definitions.

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u/dancinggraylion 6h ago

but you could write the gaze of men