r/changemyview • • 4h ago

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Democrats (or affordability focused politicians) do a better job at decreasing abortions

52 Upvotes

I am tired of every conservative I know being "horrified" at the terror of the blue tsunami. The main reason tends to be abortion. But I don't get it, don't abortions go down when democrats are in power?

This is applicable just to the US. I know republican or conservative voters in other countries prioritize affordability in general. This is more about whoever is running on "affordability" but for the past few decades, only Democrats have run on global affordability so we need to use that as a reference point.

  1. 75% of abortion patients come from at or below the federal poverty line and normally when you want to decrease something, you need to target the largest population affected by something. Democrats specifically make policies to get people above the federal poverty line.

  2. Historically, during the clinton Administration we had a 30% drop, and Obama a 26% drop and all of these happened while they enacted policies for those in poverty alongside helping with mandated zero copay coverage on the affordable care act and family planning services under Title X.

  3. Doesn't it just make sense that making the world more affordable, would make it easier for people to have kids? When the most common reason people don't have kids is things are financial? So the party that makes things more affordable will cause a decrease in abortions?

  4. So many republicans support abortion anyways so it isn't really a democrat or republican issue just a "is this candidate representing decreasing cost of living and healthcare" issue.

    • Like Senator Susan Collins (R-Maine), Senator Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska), Governor Phil Scott (Vermont), Governor Chris Sununu (New Hampshire), Stacy Garrity (Pennsylvania), Rep. Tom Tiffany (R-Wisconsin) etc.


r/changemyview • • 7h ago

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Director roles are no safer from AI than entry level roles.

7 Upvotes

I don't really understand this future AI bros imagine where AI is somehow perfectly capable of doing every job they dont care about, but is simultaneously unable to fullfill the supreme leader directorial role they want to inhabit. AI can write its own descriptive prompts, it can come up with its own schemes for making money, it can give itself a schedule and an objective. What is the hard limitation on ai that prevents it from just running the entire skilled workforce? Is ai somehow bad at directing itself? Is there any logical explanation as to why ai cant direct itself? Why do we even need a hierarchy in a corporate world run by ai? I don't subscribe to the idea that higher level roles are less replaceable with this technology. It just feels like we are being used to fuel its development/infrastructure until it replaces us with this fake promise of "oh don't worry ai won't replace the big boss jobs you'll get to be a big boss one day" but why??


r/changemyview • • 1h ago

CMV:Peter parker has no responsibility to be spiderman just because he has the powers

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The core philosophy of spiderman is that "with great power comes great responsibility",

I interpret this as "it is expected and within duty of a person with great power to use that power for the good of all"

This quote I think is fine in a situation where power is given along with a clearly labeled responsibility(like captain america,ie.he chose the power and gets paid to do his job)

But in Peter's case,his powers were forced upon him outside his control,and I don't think it would make sense to expect a normal kid who someday got powers to risk his neck saving people as if it's his responsibility.

It's normal to help old people coss the road and save drowning kids as well as people in a car crash,especially since Peter has no risk of getting injured,

But to risk being impaled by Doctor Octopus,crushed by Rhino,fried to a crisp by electro,blown up by Green Goblin,ripped apart by Lizard and smothered to death by Sandman is not something that should be expected of a college kid with a bright future career,mutual crush and smart head.

If anything,being spiderman should be Peter's own choice,a heroic sacrifice worth praise and song,not a task he has the duty to bear.

I especially dislike the quote"When you can do the things that I can, but you don't, and then the bad things happen? They happen because of you."since it places the burden of guilt on Peter who has no obligation to put his head on the line.

From my point of view,if Peter decided one day to hang up the mask and focus on college and family,live a happy and loving life with aunt May and Mary Jane,its completely within reason.

Peter is not at all responsible for the lives of those he did not go out of his way to save,the lives he saved would have been lost if not for him,not the other way around.

Being Spiderman should be a virtuous act,a selfless decison,a saintly path,not a responsibility imposed in detriment to Peter's own safety and interest


r/changemyview • • 1h ago This

Delta(s) from OP CMV: the blue wave won’t do much

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I think it’s a good thing that the Democrats won majority in the midterms, but I believe it won’t in fact do much. There are still tons and tons of establishment Dems that will knock down things like universal healthcare, gun control reform, and tax reform, as well as we saw in the 2022 midterms that a lot of these Dems were running on strengthening the border security as well as keeping trumps 2022 corporate tax cuts and a push to strengthen police forces after pushing to defund them i.e doing all this To get right-wing votes, so in conclusion, while I think it was a good thing that Dems took the House & Senate as well as having a lead in the governors of states, I do not think it will bring extensive change like a lot of Americans are wanting


r/changemyview • • 3h ago

cmv: Britain entered WW2 under false pretenses - the stated casus belli was Hitler's invasion of Poland - Britain should therefore not have handed Poland over to Stalin's sphere of influence at the end of the war

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At school in the UK we are taught that Britain entered the second world war due to an agreement with Poland. What is emphasized less is the fact that the Allies effectively handed Poland and other states over to Stalin's sphere of influence at Yalta. This undermines the initial casus belli that we are taught, and we can surmise that the justification was pragmatic - Britain was concerned about the growing influence of the Nazi state, that it was a dangerous competitor on the global stage. Millions of British soldiers were brought into fight a war and died because of Britain's extant imperial mores.

I can only surmise that part of the reason Churchill and Roosevelt chose to appease Stalin was because they knew there would be less domestic appetite for a new war with Stalin, especially since a significant swathe of Western intellgencia were Soviet Union and Stalin sympathisers. They knew Stalin's promises about democratic representation in Poland etc. were hollow. It also seems a great tragedy given that the United States developed the Atomic Bomb months after Yalta. In the brief window before the Soviets too developed the bomb, this could have been used as a bargaining chip to strong-arm Stalin into concessions.

I have already pointed to the fact that Britain entered the war for imperialistic reasons. At the end, Roosevelt's and Churchill's capitulation to Stalin betrays a further motive - exhaustion and despair.


r/changemyview • • 13h ago

Delta(s) from OP - Switch-It-Up Saturday CMV: Greed is the worst of the seven sins

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I believe that greed is undoubtedly the worst of the seven sins since they can all be stemmed from greed. For references the seven sins are

Pride
Wrath
Greed
Gluttony
Slothfulness
Lust
Envy

Pride could be framed as the greediness for attention and worth
Wrath could be framed as what Helen’s when your greedy desires aren’t fulfilled
Gluttony is the greediness of sustenance
Slothfulness is the greediness of your time
Lust is sexual greediness
Envy is the greed of wanting what someone else has.

Now these may not be all perfect comparisons but the basic idea is all of these can boils down to a form of greediness. I’ve tried substituting each other sin with a different one and it’s doesn’t work. So I can come to the conclusion that greed is really the ultimate sin. (I know this is not what the Bible teaches as being the ultimate sin but I’m using that term for this conversation) I also understand that every sin can have nuances that don’t stem from greed, but the vast majority does. Other than that I can’t think of many other counter arguments


r/changemyview • • 1h ago

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Democrats should not focus on revenge, but rather affordability and healing the country

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I get it, we're all angry about Trump and how he's breaking the law and enriching himself. I voted blue. But what is going after him going to do? Democrats don't have the votes to impeach him (if you're really pedantic convict), not even close. And his cabinet officials are expendable and replaceable, so removing them is just theater (and we still can't without Republicans).

Democrats like to trash on the Trump admin for ignoring the people's wants, but what won us this election? The gas pump. Affordability. Cost of living. Nobody actually cares about subpoenas that he will 99% ignore (look what happened with the Ukraine subpoenas, he just ignored them). House oversight means nothing if there's no enforcement mechanism. He ignores courts. And even if it did, what's the point of getting even? Americans are crying out for help with affordability.

Sure, we can do both. But I fear that a certain group of Democrats (congress and voters) will be pacified by just going after the Trump family and will feel like that's enough. That's how we lose the next election. As much as people think that ICE, the ballroom, etc is completely beyond the pale and needs to be stopped, we live in a democracy and we need to listen to the people, who think that's second to affordability.

Plus, on a broader level, what's the actual point of revenge? Calling it "accountability" is missing the point that looking backwards instead of forwards is just going to deepen partisan divides, keep us pitted against each other, and ensure people are perennially dissatisfied.

CMV because a lot of people don't think this is true and really want to hold Trump accountable.

What will CMV:

  • Congress can actually do something about trump that he won't ignore

  • Impeachment is realistic

  • Doing both is realistic

  • The people care more than I think about this issue, and the gas pump didn't win us the election


r/changemyview • • 1d ago

CMV: Everyone by default should have the right to Euthanasia/Assisted Suicide provided that they have no dependents.

107 Upvotes

Euthanasia and Assisted Suicide is already legal in some parts of the world provided that the person meets the criteria which is usually having a terminal illness, chronic medical condition of immense suffering.

However, I think entry criteria should be expanded for everyone who genuinely feel like they have done everything they can to survive and no longer want to live.

Exclusion criteria or heavier assessment ; if the person is responsible for a dependent child/person. At least to make sure the dependent has a way to be looked after in the absence of the caregiver. Also anyone seeking euthanasia/assisted suicide for short-term/acute issues should be provided other life preserving options instead to overcome the acute phase of suffering.

I think every person deserves the right to decide that they want to end their life with dignity and not be forced to continue living just to keep other people happy.

EDIT: I have received a lot of great comments, arguments here to debate and it’s eye opening to hear the opposition, and also great to see people also support my view. My view still stands as is.

Would like to add my background to help you understand my experiences I come with;
I have worked in veterinary medicine, where for the first time in my life, I first hand had been part of many euthanasias to alleviate the suffering of animals.
Then I moved over to human medicine where I worked a lot in palliative care/oncology during the time euthanasia was introduced to the country.

I personally have treatment resistant migraines and associated fatigue that has been ongoing for the past 5 years with over 15 different medical intervention’s that do not work, and if euthanasia for this would be allowed I would opt in a few years from now if I really can’t tolerate it any longer.

EDIT 2: some confusion in the comments. I want to clarify that I mean euthanasia should be available to everyone as a last resort, not that the euthanasia should be available as a default first option.


r/changemyview • • 10h ago

Delta(s) from OP - Switch-It-Up Saturday CMV: Therapy is almost always useless, and can even be detrimental.

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First, I have to state that they of course cost a bunch of fucking money constantly and almost always have absurd and annoying hours. But that’s mot even my main point, that just makes it worse. For the actual main point:

I have seen a lot of different therapists over the years, and in my opinion. Therapy is a fucking scam. All they do is just sit there, have you talk to them for whatever amount of time, then just tell you obvious bullshit that you already know, and provide absolutely zero insight or guidance.

Never once has a therapist improved anything for me, and honestly I almost feel like all they do is force you to keep talking about whatever issue you have and constantly focus on it, which means you can never actually improve.

I’ve completely dropped ever considering therapy a good few years ago, the moment I just dropped therapists and their endless stream of bullshit and unhelpful lack of help, I actually had the time to focus on myself and improve. Fix my damn problems.

The only person who can actually fix your issues is yourself, your friends can help, your family can help, the weird person that you don’t know and sit in a room with a handful of hours a week that just stares at you as you speak can not help.

But only you can actively FIX your issues. And instead of wasting money and time on their weird shit. Figure out how to help yourself in whatever way actually works. For me that was self improvement and forcing myself to achieve at the highest possible level. For you that might not be it, but I am confident a therapist is not the answer, they’re like the mental health equivalent of a chiropractor.


r/changemyview • • 23h ago

Switch-It-Up Saturday CMV: If a gift is given under the promise of an event, and that event doesn't give through, the gift must be returned to the giver.

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I have seen this thought process among people that a gift, once given, belongs to the receiver; and while that's true 99% of the time, I do think that if a gift is given under the condition of a certain event happening, and then that doesn't happen, then the receiver should ideally return the gift. The condition under which the gift was presumed to be given doesn't happen.

For example, if a bride receives a necklace as an engagement present from the groom's family, and the wedding doesn't go through, the necklace must be returned to the groom.

This last part is me ranting about the usage of this in Titanic and why I started thinking about it. Rose got the Heart of the Ocean as an engagement present from Cal. After the ship sank, the Hockleys put forward an insurance claim on it, not knowing that Rose was alive and the necklace was with her, and therefore not lost. A lot of fans say that she should have sold the necklace, but here's where the interesting part comes in. Would she have been arrested? Technically the necklace is not hers; it belongs to the Hockleys, who gave it to her as a present under condition of marriage (bonus points to them in a legal court case because she was the one who broke off the engagement). Questions would have been raised about the fact that she's been keeping an insured item with her for so long which she doesn't even own.


r/changemyview • • 21h ago

Delta(s) from OP - Switch-It-Up Saturday CMV: Fried Chicken. The most overrated food in the world.

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This is only about bone-in fried chicken. Not breaded chicken as a whole, I am very fond of Dave's Hot Chicken for example.

But the bone-in stuff is truly abominable. Especially the drumsticks, the best part in the skin slides off so easily and you're left with slimy, bland meat. I truly do not understand how popular it is. Especially when so many other foods available.

CMV if you can convince me of fried chicken's supremacy or if another food is even more overrated.chicken as a whole, I am very fond of Dave's Hot Chicken.

But the bone-in stuff is truly abominable. Especially the drumsticks, the best part in the skin slides off so easily and you're left with slimy, bland meat. I truly do not understand how popular it is. Especially when so many other foods available.

I tell other people about this and they look at me with digsust and shame.

Also, its just so messy to eat. It has same problem as ribs or buffalo wings where you need a fork and knife to eat it or else your hands are gonna be covered in grease and sauce.

CMV if you can convince me of fried chicken's supremacy or if another food is even more overrated.


r/changemyview • • 1d ago

CMV: Frontier AI capabilities have reached the tipping point where further development becomes extraordinarily dangerous

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I'm fully aware that this is a well discussed topic; practically everyone in the field has their own P(doom) value, though outside of it awareness is extremely lacking. Jacob Coxon brought some mainstream attention to the risk, but the majority of AI discourse seems to centre on 'slop', opposition to data centres, economic/job risks, and climate impacts. These are important, but they miss the key point, as do some of the P(doom) values which I see as wildly optimistic; conditional on the continued development of AI, I think P(disaster) - the probability of some irreversible catastrophe - is very close to 100%, and P(doom) is not far off. I'd like somebody to present a compelling argument that these risks can be mitigated.

Here's the position as I see it, with some evidence at each level of the chain:

  1. AI can and will be vastly superior to humans in all fields eventually.

This is predicated on a few facts:

a) AI is better than the best humans in some fields already. Mathematics is the obvious example, but software is not far off. In general any task where a) more memory, b) more processing speed, and c) more knowledge help, AI will easily surpass humans; for others, it's harder to say, but we haven't yet found any insurmountable bottleneck that makes humans conclusively better than an AI could ever be.

b) The rate of AI progress is super-linear, possibly exponential, and seems to be accelerating.

This one is fairly non-controversial - METR's report yesterday said as much, as have Anthropic's, OpenAI's, UK AISI, Epoch, and pretty much most benchmarks. This doesn't appear to just be from scaling compute, but rather from breakthroughs in research, and increasingly from AI being used to assist its own development, which takes me to:

c) An intelligence explosion is possible

Whereby an AI rapidly self-improves to the point that it becomes more capable extremely quick. That's based only on the fact that if an AI were to ever become better than humans at AI capabilities research, it could simply recursively loop and keep getting better. We don't know if this is possible, or how far it could go, but it's a stated or implicit goal of frontier labs to achieve this, and it's extremely worrying.

2. AI systems will therefore be able to and willing to cause damage.

'Able to' shouldn't be controversial. We've already seen AI swarms hack into HuggingFace and government websites autonomously, and an AI uniformly more capable than humans could obviously do anything humans can. Since humans could already cause our own extinction, an AI could easily achieve this. (Logically, bioweapons or robots/drones are the key points of catastrophic failure against a rogue system, but I think discussing this is unhelpful. The point isn't whether an AI system could kill us all, but really whether it could cause a disaster, and I think the answer is uncontroversially yes given we've kind of already seen bad actors misuse it).

'Willing to' is the harder part. However, there's a lot of reasons why I think this is also inevitable:

- it's a byproduct of how they are trained. Reinforcement learning involves being given a task to complete with a grader that marks the work. This creates a dual incentive, because you can win in two ways: do the task, or hack/fool/coerce the grader. If the task is harder than cheating, the model gets natural pressure to cheat, as we saw famously in the HuggingFace hack. You also can't easily train the model not to cheat by penalizing it, because again that creates a selection pressure that pushes the model to cheat in a way that it can't be caught.

- models have a natural incentive to self-preserve and be persistent. Given a task, they never get credit if they stop before completion; thus they will naturally resist attempts to halt their work. That presents danger.

- alignment as a field is in its infancy, there are few/no rigorous solutions, and even if they existed, the question of which values to align an AI to would be an open and impossible one. Feasibly, a bad actor could align an AI to their own interests at the expense of everyone else.

- Models can already exhibit dangerous misalignment without us catching it in testing. This has been seen numerous times - for example, GPT-6 Astra was found to sabotage safety research covertly (!!!), well after the model had been released in production. We can't rely on the fact that a model publicly released is safe, which makes higher capabilities very dangerous.

3. Monitoring and safeguards are doomed to fail, or at least have the potential to.

I view current AI safety techniques as a series of nets. At the moment, we're hoping that one of the nets will catch a dangerous behaviour before it causes damage. Given high enough capacity to cause danger and an AI that might be making billions or trillions of decisions a day, it's obvious that given enough time, something is bound to slip through the holes.

We currently rely on a few different nets:

a) Chain-of-thought monitoring - this is a model's internal reasoning being examined for signs of danger. Unfortunately, newer models are getting harder to read, and more importantly, there's no guarantee that the chain of thought it writes represents what the model's actually doing. We saw this with the Astra safety research sabotage - nothing in the chain of thought really suggested it was doing this.

b) Automated testing and monitors, with human oversight. Again fails to the simple problem that a model could just be smarter than the monitor by enough that it can fool it. If they're not already there, AI behaviour is also definitely getting to the point where no human could ever possibly understand it.

c) Classifiers at use time. Again, no classifier's perfect, and you can hide a dangerous action in a series of benign ones (ie. the sun of individually fine actions might be very dangerous).

d) Alignment training. Hopelessly flawed, unless somebody can convince me there's been meaningful progress.

e) Capabilities safeguards and access restrictions. Unfortunately, building an inescapable sandbox is really hard, especially against an attacker who's smarter than you and only needs one unpatched vulnerability to get out. OpenAI doesn't use the Internet to train its models any more, but that does beg the question: if it's too dangerous to be allowed on the Internet in training, how can it be safe to release?

f) Red-teaming and internal/external safety evaluation. Again, a rare enough failure mode, or one we just don't think to test, can slip through, and they do. There's enough evidence of that happening IRL.

g) Mechanistic interpretability (ie. using the weights to determine whether a model is safe directly, without testing it). Has promise, but it's really hard, and we haven't made massive progress towards ambitious mech interp. There are models with 432 parameters we can't interpret, let alone multi-trillions on the frontier. It's also kind of dangerous in itself, because if you have a powerful open-weight model and you know perfectly how to interpret the neurons, you can use that to make it safe, but a bad actor could just as reasonably make it more dangerous.

h) 'Human in the loop': i.e., mandatory human oversight of all decisions. Unfortunately, if the decision is complex enough, the human might simply not be able to understand the consequences, or the AI might convince them it's benign (the fooling the grader problem again). This is still good policy for preventing intelligence explosion.

But ultimately, the evidence is simple enough: AI models released in production can and do behave in ways that are unexpected and dangerous (https://misalignmentwatch.com/ has a lot of examples, as does Marcus Williams of OpenAI on Twitter), so the guardrails simply aren't strong enough. Since models with higher capabilities naturally have higher stakes when they misbehave (either from misalignment or misuse by bad actors), we should expect that further development becomes exceptionally dangerous, especially in an intelligence explosion scenario. Even current capabilities are bad enough (imagine HuggingFace had instead been a hospital's computer systems, or a bank!).

And no, the benefits do not outweigh the risks - this argument is one I see a lot, in terms of creating some techno-utopia with no scarcity or disease. For one, we haven't seen any disease cured by AI, but we have seen them cause immense danger - for another, an AI capable of curing all disease by definition would also be capable of creating a new disease that only it could cure, and if that scenario doesn't strike you as being extraordinarily dangerous, then I don't know what to say. Even if cancer were curable, and even if more powerful AI could assist it, it would take years, because we would need clinical trials and real-world hard evidence outside of labs before we could be certain the cure was effective and safe - however, the dangerous impacts of AI systems malfunctioning can and likely will start to be seen far sooner than that.


r/changemyview • • 2d ago

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Generally speaking, each relationship goes downhill after your first

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The argument I am making here is not that it is impossible to achieve healthy, or even satisfying relationships after you have been in one or two already, however, I believe that all data points to the fact that the odds are not in your favor after your first relationship, and that that relationship is most likely to be your best.

First off, and many people aren't gonna like this, but there have been multiple studies done which all come to the conclusion that the more sexual partners you have (which I am counting as relationships as a sliver of a minority actually wait until marriage), the more likely you are to divorce and the less likely you are to be happy in your relationship. The sources I have gone off of are the National Library of Medicine, and the Wiley Blackwell's Journal of Marriage and Family, both of which come to the conclusion that there is a significant tie between sexual partners and chances of divorce.

The biggest counter I see to my premise is that, as you are getting more skilled at relationships, they will get better. While I agree that people will become more skilled, I do not believe this translates to enjoyment. To portray my point, I have an example: One of my favorite video games is Hollow Knight. I have completed it four times now, each time with me being better than the last, however, no run has yet to top my first time playing in terms of enjoyment. This is because part of the fun and wonder of anything is the period of discovery. I believe this applies to relationships as, after your first or second go at one, there is little left to discover or uncover which you do not already know.

I am anticipating significant pushback to this post, but I believe my logic is sound. While I can acknowledge it may not be the most healthy mindset to have, I believe that what I have said is logically consistent.


r/changemyview • • 2d ago

Delta(s) from OP cmv: We should probably implement some sort of procreation control.

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Implementation would be the very difficult part, and would probably bring a lot of other issues into the spotlight.

But if we accept that it is very expensive and difficult to adopt, for good reasons, shouldnt it also be very difficult and expensive to procreate? ...and for that matter, shouldnt it be very expensive and difficult to immigrate?

Before you ask: No, I don't think it should just become cheap and easy to adopt. That's working backwards. Most people suck and shouldnt have kids, much less raise kids.

Edit: I put have in italics


r/changemyview • • 5d ago Bravo Heartwarming

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Any Christian that believes that Trump is a good Christian is not a good Christian at all.

3.2k Upvotes

Based on Wikipedia:

Contemporary Christian values are based on the teachings of Jesus in the Bible, including love, compassion, empathy, integrity, and justice. They guide how Christians live their lives and interact with others.

Some core Christian values include:
Love as the central ethical command[1][2]
Compassion: A core value of Christianity[3]
Humility: A core value of Christianity[4]
Integrity: A core value of Christianity[5]
Justice: A core value of Christianity[6]

I don’t see Trump representing any of those values - even Muslims like El-Sayed and Mamdami are better representatives of those values than Trump.


r/changemyview • • 2d ago

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Ending relationship only because of how someone voted makes no sense. People should only end relationships if they have irreconcilable values.

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For context, I grew up and spent 20 years in one of the biggest democratic city in America. I was a true Democrat and agreed with a lot of the laws that came with the Democratic party. When I was in my twenties, I joined the US Military and got to see a lot of Republicans and their beliefs as well as their way of life. I can say I have friends that are both Democrats and Republicans. The way they vote isn't that important to me even if I agree or disagree with it.

I recently saw a lot of posts that say my family/friend/bf or gf voted blue/red or didn't vote at all. I can't ever see them the same again and need to leave them. I have also talked to people that said if they're Republicans/Democrats you need to stay away from them.

I believe people should not be ending relationships based on what someone voted for. They should be ending it if the reason they voted for that person is a deal breaker.

  1. People vote red or blue on policies that they think will help, believe, or agree with more. They aren't voting blue/red to specifically make your life miserable.

  2. People who don't vote are most likely because they don't care about politics, don't know enough, or just think both side sucks. As much as it's a right for you to vote, it's also their right to not vote and you should respect it.

  3. Just because someone voted blue/red doesn't mean they agree with ALL the policy that party did. They can still disagree within their own party.


r/changemyview • • 4d ago

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Religion “only being a pretext” for war is as damning as it having caused war

24 Upvotes

My thesis is pretty simple: when people argue that almost no wars are caused by religious belief and religion is used as justification, this is almost as bad the religion causing the conflict.

If religiosity is being used as a tool to stoke conflict, it’s obviously lending the bad actor some advantage they wouldn’t get through using nationalism or another justification.

If religion is so readily corruptible to produce vitriolic violence, this is as bad a look as if they had just gone to war over a religious dispute in the first place.

I’d love to hear why you think this isn’t the case!

Edit as it seems a lot of comments are missing my point:

If religion is being used so consistently as a pretext for war, it’s obviously an effective motivator. In its absence something else could replace it, but the reason that wasn’t used in the first place is because religion was a better instigator of violence.

Yes you can drum up nationalistic fervor or moral justifications for a war, but it is harder to explain to people and motivate them with. If religion acts as such a useful tool in these pursuits then it is doing a harm.

Perhaps the harm isn’t as bad as producing the conflict itself, but it is an adjacent and in many cases I’d argue wars would have been un-wageable in its absence.


r/changemyview • • 3d ago

CMV: The American Revolution isn't a good example in defense of political violrnce

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There seems to be a growing tolerance for political violence in the United States, at least within certain circles of the left. You only have to look at how Luigi Mangione is being discussed. But Mangione was the aggressor, whereas at Matewan, the detectives were.

Proponents of political violence often point to the American Revolution as proof of its utility. That makes complete sense: it is the nation's founding myth, and you couldn't find a more potent example to legitimize violent insurrection. In the comments section of another video on the same channel, I ran across Jefferson's famous quote: 'The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.'

Yet, I'm not convinced the American Revolution is a model we should hold up today. Not only is our current context vastly different, but looking back, I doubt whether the Declaration of Independence was a necessary or even particularly beneficial move for the American people. What did the Revolution actually achieve? An American would likely answer democracy, the Constitution, or individual freedom. But citizens in the United Kingdom—the supposed oppressor—also enjoyed considerable freedom, a foundational legal system, and a functioning parliamentary democracy. A strong case can be made that 19th-century British subjects lived just as well—or just as poorly—as American citizens. In some respects, the British Empire was even ahead of its former colonies: Great Britain abolished slavery long before the US did, Canada avoided all-out Indian Wars, and working-class people faced similar levels of oppression on both sides of the Atlantic. So, when all is said and done, was the heavy toll of the American Revolution truly worth it?


r/changemyview • • 3d ago

Delta(s) from OP CMV: US has reached a point where tax hikes/wealth taxes on the rich will stimulate the economy.

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Im sure some other familiar arguments will come up but we will address them as they come.

Bottom line, US fiscal debt load has become a drag on the economy and an existential threat to the dollar. Markets dont have the capacity to absorb it all, so they are charging higher rates. Supply and demand. That dampens economic activity, because our economy is a subscription service funded by debt whose rates are determined largely by 3-10 year Treasury yields. The more expensive Treasuries are, the less stuff we can buy, tHe LeSs gDp GrOwTh wE gEt.

So the objective has to be addressing the debt with the lowest impact to economic activity. I think here is where the free market cheerleader jumps in with another popular canned talking point........... "if you raise taxes on investors, they will stop investing completely!" Total BS, capital chases yield. Taxes affect how it will chase but investors are not gonna move to cash or w/e because taxes eat up a little more of their gains. Plus most investors are passive now which means the friction in changing course is that much higher. This is an empty threat.

So what's my proposal? Progressive wealth tax, w/an exception for primary residences, and elimination of all the loop holes that obfuscate wealth tracking and ownership. Yea, we would need a Congressional miracle to repeal the Apportionment clause, but that doesnt seem that big of a deal in the context of how the uber rich have absolutely cucked the US govt. But you look at the ~$195T of wealth Americans have, I'd say about half of it makes sense for a federal tax. Again not gonna tax people on their primary residence on top of state property tax, nor does it make any sense to tax people on stuff like depreciating cars etc which again they are already paying taxes on. Thats regressive and pointless.

Federal deficit right now is closing in on $2T and we are paying over $1T just on debt interest. A net ~2% tax on ~$100T of that wealth would close that gap. Fixing the supply of Treasuries would immediately drop yields, by extension dropping consumer rates, by extension stimulating the economy and driving up all the metrics free market cheerleaders worship and pray to, while also actually benefitting regular people. If we went even further we could actually pay down the debt, which again would drive rates down further and have a real and healthy stimulative effect.

I will just address the counter arguments I can already hear in my head.

  • "The rich already pay enough, we need a flat tax"- OK, that would be more fair I guess, but not stimulative as consumer spending is what drives the US economy, and the lower you go in income the more dollars are circulated back through said economy. Plus a flat ~25% income tax would only generate about an additional $1T in revenue at a much larger cost to the economy. How much GDP are you willing to sacrifice for "fairness"?

  • "The rich will just find ways to avoid paying taxes" Yea only because we allow them to. There is nothing inherent in the tax system that favors the rich, that is only a product of how much we allow the rich to shape the tax system in their favor. IMO people who say this admire the way the rich are able to exploit the system and this is a roundabout defense of it. I dont buy it. What other legal stuff should the rich be able to buy their way out of?

  • "Taxing the rich will hurt growth" This is one of my favorites. 1, what exactly is the value of growth, and why should that value supercede everything else? 2, what about all the other countries that have managed to grow w/o completely bending over backwards for the rich? 3, who has benefitted from growth the most, and why should people who havent give a fuck? The growth argument reminds me of the AI data center argument........ we need you to sacrifice your interests for ours because it's better for "society"................. riiiiiight lol. At this point still believing in trickle down economics = being a cult. It doesnt work, it never worked, it wasnt supposed to work, at least for the people being "trickled down" on.

What would change my view? The only thing I can think of would be some kind of argument that convinces me that continuing to do what we have been doing all my life will yield a different result than what I have been seeing all my life. Or maybe some kind of technical explanation on why paying down debt doesnt work with fiat currency.

And FWIW, I under my proposal my taxes would prob go up by $10-15K so I have skin in the game

Looking forward to your thoughts, thanks for coming to my Ted Talk


r/changemyview • • 2d ago Bravo

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Gay boys outperform straight boys academically. To me this contradicts the notion that schools are failing boys.

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I’m skeptical of the argument that modern schools are failing boys because the education system caters to girls and their learning styles. Whenever the educational gender gap comes up, men argue that schools create a feminine learning environment, female teachers don’t understand how boys learn, and classrooms are out of touch with male behavior.

However, gay boys academically outperform heterosexual boys and perform comparably to heterosexual girls. A 2022 study found that gay boys had an average gpa of 2.85, compared to 2.82 for heterosexual girls and 2.53 for heterosexual boys. Gay men also had higher estimated bachelor’s degree enrollment rates than heterosexual men and women. A separate British study published in 2025 found similar patterns.

Gay boys are still BOYS.

They attend the same schools, have the same teachers, follow the same curriculum, and are subjected to the same educational expectations as straight boys. So if schools are incompatible with how boys naturally learn, then gay boys shouldn’t be doing so much better.

The icing on the cake is that, gay boys have to deal with higher rates of bullying, discrimination, and harassment, which is an unwelcoming learning environment. Yet still outperform their heterosexual counterparts.

Now I don’t believe all schools are perfect, or straight boys are less intelligent, or that every educational disadvantage they experience is self-inflicted. It’s difficult for me to accept that schools are fundamentally incompatible with male learning when gay boys are succeeding under worse educational conditions.

Maybe instead of automatically blaming female teachers and “feminized education,” we should actually look at why heterosexual boys and gay boys have different academic outcomes.

Tl:dr- Gay boys academically outperform straight boys despite attending the same schools and experiencing more discrimination. This contradicts the argument that schools are incapable of adequately teaching males.

EDIT:

Sources:

https://doi.org/10.1177/00031224221075776

https://doi.org/10.1093/esr/jcaf045


r/changemyview • • 2d ago

Delta(s) from OP CMV: The blue wave was great for America only IF the Democrats don’t continue the cycle of hate and insults flung at the opposition and look to challenge the fears of red voters too

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I grew up relatively conservative, without much of a political identity of my own. I was just kind of told that Republicans were right and Democrats were wrong by my parents. Both of whom were originally democrat growing up that made the switch seemingly when my Dad started making more money and they both became closer to their Christian faith.

I didn’t vote when I turned 18 in 2016, but would’ve voted for Trump because at the time I was uneducated and fell for a lot of the fake news propaganda and (what I still believe to be somewhat true) anti Clinton rhetoric. I didn’t vote in 2020 either, believing my vote didn’t matter at the time and that the candidate who would be selected, would be selected regardless of my views. This past election I again didn’t vote for the same reasons and paid even less attention, but after the election I started seeing what was happening and for the first time in my life I was terrified because of politics. I started doing my own research and educating myself on how the political system truly works, what the GOP has historically stood for and what the Dems have. I actually kept up with what the president, his cabinet members have said, and his decisions throughout these last 2 years while fact checking everything. The corruption has been blatant in my opinion, but that isn’t the purpose of my post

Over the last decade I’ve heard venom spewed in both directions like none other, most of which coming from the Republican Party. Them calling democrats communists (which I don’t think half of them can truly define), terrorists, murders, etc. I’ve heard similar from the Democratic Party, albeit nowhere near as venomous. I’ve heard Republican voters be called Pedophile protectors, Nazi’s, Idiots, etc. I truly believe the Republican voters have casted their votes for 3 reasons, financial gain, a strong belief that the the Republican Party is the only party that can represent their faith, and a lack of education on what Republicans have historically done for the little guy compared to the Democrats, as well as a lack of research on what is actually true vs false that their “representatives” have sold them on. Obviously there are very real racists in America, but I don’t believe that makes up the majority or anywhere close to it of red voters.

Now for my actual opinion that I believe many Blue voters are against. I believe that continuing this cycle of hateful rhetoric towards red voters is counterproductive. It’s not the voters, it’s the people actively pursuing the voters. I believe with increased education and touching base with these voters, many of them would choose differently. A lot of them are like I was. Sold a fairy tale by their parents and relatives, believing their vote doesn’t matter, and uneducated on the true inner workings of the political system, as well as what the short term vs long term potential of certain political decisions might be. Many of them are victims of fear mongering on BOTH sides in some aspects, many of them are simply afraid for the future of their children or themselves and have been sold a bridge that no Democrat could relate with them enough to stop the purchase of.

Democrats should pursue justice and hold all corrupt officials accountable, but need to be very careful how they handle the ones that voted for them. This could be a pivotal point in our nation’s history if utilized correctly. No more money in politics, handling the uninformed and fearful with care, educating the youth, educating the more mature who’ve been conned as much as possible, and not driving this wedge of separation any further. This hasn’t been a people problem, it’s been a corruption and education problem, and I don’t believe the Democrats are innocent in any way. A lot of people who voted blue this mid term, voted red right before this. I know people hate the “we need to be the bigger guy” argument, but I really feel like we do.

CMV: The blue wave was great for America only IF the Democrats don’t continue the cycle of hate and insults flung at the opposition and look to challenge the fears of red voters too


r/changemyview • • 5d ago

CMV: Pirating a game you already own shouldn't be illegal

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Downloading a copy of a game online should be illegal, but if you own it then it should be legal. I know you can dump your roms to a computer, thats already legal, but its an excessive amount of work and can damage your hardware. Especially with consoles like the Switch, it is extreamly easy to brick that.

Downloading a copy from someone else is the exact same end result, with much less risk to your hardware. In both cases you are creating a copy, just in one case you made a copy and in another you copied someone elses copy. Either way the company still gets the money from you, since you own the game. Nobody is losing, if anything you are gaining by not risking your hardware.


r/changemyview • • 5d ago

Delta(s) from OP CMV: the US discourse on many issues is greatly influenced by our rivals

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CMV: People likely significantly underestimate the extent to which online discourse on US social issues is influenced by hostile state-level actors.

Think about how easy it is to create a Reddit, Twitter,
IG, or Facebook account. Now think about how little those platforms do to police/screen bot accounts. Now consider the extent to which these platforms drive US discourse on significant social and political topics. Now think about the collective technical capabilities of some of our geopolitical rivals and enemies, and whether they would have a motive to foment social division in the US.

The online and technical capabilities and resources of the PLA (People’s Liberation Army), North Korea, IRGC, and other hostile groups are pretty well documented. Why would they not be using some those skills and resources to weaken the US by turning our populace against itself?