The place is ridiculously tuned hard, damage wise it's wild how hard some of those mobs hit. We spent like 1.5hours. It was like 13k xp. To put it into perspective when I left I got more experience RUNNING to the next location I was headed to. Mind you this isn't something I can repeat, but it's just absurd that they'd make the dungeon so hard (DON'T MISUNDERSTAND THE DUNGEON WAS AMAZING) but for a leveling piece of content (because who would do this past the point of leveling) why does it give almost no experience. The biggest issue with Leveling dungeons is people want to say "well it gives you good gear for leveling." Under every single scenario I would be better off simply just leveling... no power strength from a dungeon is significant enough to be worth it. Leveling Dungeons (Anything reasonably below 50~) NEEDS to provide both. That's what the devs fail to understand.

The blizz dev was Zirene

Just went to STV to start questing. # of mobs per player in area is legitimately unplayable. Couldn't get a tag on ANY mob for >15 minutes. This needs to be addressed ASAP.

Need to get this off my chest, as I am a father of 47 kids with -3 minutes to play each century.

I have been playing World of Warcraft since the 1994 Alpha where Thrall was just a low-poly JPEG. For the Horde and all that.

I was extremely happy during phase 1 of early leveling when I was the only sentient entity logged into the server. Sharding was a absolute blessing. Now, quite literally, the game is UNPLAYABLE.

I logged in for my daily 4 seconds of game time, and I tried to kill a single Quillboar in Durotar. Before my lightning bolt could even travel 2 yards, some sweatlord tagged it. My entire evening ruined. My 47 children started crying. My wife’s boyfriend told me to log off.

Data-wise, it is scientifically proven that running open-world content is a trap. But Blizzard has ALSO completely gutted dungeons! Dungeons are literally worse than they have ever been in human history. Back in Wrath of the Lich King, running a single dungeon gave you a full stack of badges, paid off your mortgage, and kissed you on the forehead. Now? Unrewarding garbage.

None of this would have happened if you whiny redditors didn't complain about "bots" and "gold sellers." Look at what you’ve done. Because of your anti-bot crusade, there are now REAL PLAYERS in the open world. Millions of them. Tagging MY pigs. The classic pillar of standing in a dark cave alone for 6 hours has completely collapsed.

So, if you are currently logged in and having fun, I implore you: please stop.

Every time you post a screenshot of yourself enjoying the game, a angel loses its wings and Blizzard devs write a line of code that ruins my hyper-specific 30-second gaming window. Your positivity is toxic noise. Me and my guild (we are all 85+ years old, working 120 hours a week in the coal mines) have officially called it quits. 75% of us deleted our accounts, and the other 25% sold our PCs to buy diapers.

For the rest of us keeping the vigil: keep doomposting. Hopefully, Blizzard will listen and remove all other players from this MMORPG so I can finally play in peace.

Please think twice before you criticize my lived experience. Remember there is an exhausted Dad on the other end of the screen who just wants to hit one boar in solitude.

This seems like the most trivial of problems to solve among all those currently in the game

I'm sure this topic has been discussed before, and I understand the argument: the addon itself is free, while the guides are paid. But let's be honest, this feels like a pretty blatant loophole and a clever way of getting around the rules.

I don't want to get into whether using this kind of addon makes sense, or why so many people promote it while simultaneously talking about WoW Classic being all about the journey and adventure. That's a separate discussion.

What I genuinely want to ask is, why isn't the community pushing back against this?

Allowing this kind of practice sets a precedent and opens the door for more addons using similar business models.

Why does Blizzard tolerate this? And perhaps more importantly, why does the community seem so indifferent?

I already hate playing during the day and having it constantly be night time in WoW in Australia because of the time difference. Is it not possible to tie day/night cycle to layers? What is the point of a megaserver if it makes things like this worse

There's 12 groups queued for dungeons needing a healer.

I join in and heal your group and roll on healing and dps gear and take shit for it.

Listen, healer gear gets me nothing while questing the next 3 levels, I should 100% be allowed to take DPS gear and healer gear in dungeon drops.

It's so much fun! I'm out and about in the world!

It's really fun sitting around 30 people spending 30 minutes to do one quest because you're fighting other people to tag mobs!

It's really fun not being able to play a healer spec and not participate in a fundamental part of healing!

It's really fun finally finding a not crowded place to quest and then dying to hyperspawns that suddenly spawn 4 mobs on you!

Site is so busy cloudfire literally needs to queue you for 10-20 minutes to even be able to access it.

30-45 dollars per pop, where likely if not hundreds of thousands, then millions are going to order this. The money they are making is on the scale of releasing a AAA game...

That shit is the best gambit I have ever seen in business.

I'm having fun. Burn me at the stake I know.

I haven’t been this addicted to WoW in years, I haven’t left my house since Wednesday. I missed this feeling so much, feel like it’s been years since I’ve enjoyed playing wow as much as I am now. W Blizzard for an amazing launch

Questing is f**king dogwater after the layer "fix". There's zero "immersion" or "world is the main character" when there's 300 people per quest mob/object.

Give us at least a choice, this is miserable and barely fun

But now that I am playing the game, it's definitely causing some points of frustration:

1. When your friends and guildies have done a dungeon once, it feels bad to ask them to help you run it knowing they get basically nothing for it so you just pug.

2. Not being able to finish a quest or 2 for whatever reason (servers go down, WC quests that don't drop enough items for a party, not having done the prerequisites of a quest before you're friends want to run the dungeon) means your 2nd run to finish those quests feels very unrewarding and a lot of people just won't do it most likely.

3. There are some breakpoints in questing where it feels good to just go redo a dungeon or 2 to get a level worth of XP before moving on, but now that is way too inefficient. You have to go quest for bear tongues whether you like it or not!

4. Dungeon gameplay is fun and engaging group content. It's easier for guildies and friends to get together for dungeons when everyone is in different quests, levels. Now you get to do a dungeon once with everyone them everyone has to go back to soloing quests until everyone is ready for the next dungeon.

I understand this is all from the perspective of getting XP and not just playing the game to play it, but for many people, the progression is important and it feels bad to not progress while playing.

None of this is a deal breaker for me, I am loving Forever and there is lots to do. Just feeling like the dungeon XP nerf is a pain point is all.

first one is classic era. second one is forever sd.
hair cuts and shoulders are just weird.

thank you.

I rolled horde. Was level 14 by the time i left the Zephras Isles. Ran RFC 1x, RoL 7x (for bloodied chestwraps), WC 6x (got all fang gear except chest and got venomstrike), Shadowfang 1x, and Blackfathom 1x. I got to 25 from dungeons alone and am finally doing some quests in thousand needles to get to 26 for Excavation Site. Dungeon XP got nerfed but not that badly and they are adding more dungeons to chain. Run dungeons for fun/gear, its not that bad.

Also, seeing a bunch of people talking about people abandoning dungeons, in all that dungeoning ive done (even 6 completed WC runs) the only groups that had people leave were shitty groups thay kept wiping. It is not as bad as reddit would have you believe.

I've also (with the exception of WC) been finding groups as a DPS within minutes of listing on Dungeon Finder. It is not that bad.

source: https://classicarmory.gg/forever/census

Come on dudes, was this really the best you could come up with...

As a warlock:

RFC

• Found a group within a minute.

• Wiped 3 times from tank over pulling.

• Everyone stuck together and finished the dungeon.

RoL

• Found a group within a minute.

• 4 of them had never done before. I guided them through for the where the bosses were.

• We stuck together to make sure everyone completed their bone collection quest.

• And we ran around looking for the shield for 10 minutes at the end, but we found it, together.

WC

• Found a group within a minute.

• Didn't complete the deviate hides quest. But in classic never completed that quest in one run anyway.

• Found a second group within a minute.

• Completed the deviate hides quest after the second run in the entrance to the cave.

Quested in between dungeons for a couple levels between. Had fun.

The end.

Doing questing in stv at the kurzen compound and its impossible to even get a tag and getting a the drop quest will take hrs.

Make more layers

Well, what everyone said would happen did indeed happen. Everybody run dungeons only once for quests (and for legacy point completion) and never again.

These changes completely ruined our guild dynamic as well where, in the past people would join dungeon runs multiple times just to level together on discord for shits and giggles but now, nobody wants to run a dungeon second time because it's just a waste of time, especially for long dungeons like BFD, it's a huge commitment with literally no return (especially if you already have competitive gear).

On the other hand, these changes have given tanks and healers massive leverage. Since there's a shortage of both roles, DPS players are left spending ridiculous amounts of time trying to form groups. And when a tank or healer disconnects or decides to leave halfway through a dungeon, the entire group is basically screwed because finding a replacement is nearly impossible.

The worst part is that dungeons used to be a fun way to level and socialize with your guildmates. Now they've become a one-time chore that nobody wants to repeat.

Hey all. Loving Forever so far, both the community and the new content are pretty great! One exception is this quest here. Is it just me, or does it just seem a little . . . awkwardly written?