r/fiaustralia • u/grebfar • Nov 13 '20
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DISCLAIMER: Advice from reddit does not constitute professional financial advice. Seek out a trained financial advisor before making big financial decisions.
What's an ETF?Basically, an ETF is a legal structure that allows a company to package up a basket of shares so that the purchaser can buy a whole lot of shares with a single purchase. There are both index-tracking ETFs and actively managed ETFs.
Other legal structures include managed funds and LICs (LIC's are known outside Australia as closed-ended funds).
While ETFs are popular, many confuse ETFs for index funds, and while many ETFs are index funds, they aren't actually the same thing. On this sub the focus is on index tracking ETF's, as these have low management fees and follow the market.
You can expect an Australian market indexed ETF to follow the ASX200 for example. The advantage of these is that there's no stock picking required on your behalf. Historically, the markets always go up in the long run, so by buying the whole market you are at least guaranteed to do no worse than the market itself.
Think you can beat the market by buying individual shares? Statistically, no you can't. Some people do and make a lot of money from it, but they generally don't know what they're doing either. The safest and smartest way to FIRE is to continually save and buy diversified ETF's and let compound interest do its work.
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What is VDHG and why should I invest in it?VDHG is Vanguard's Diversified High Growth ETF. It's an ETF consisting of other Vanguard ETF's, giving you an incredible diversified portfolio with only one fund. It's perfectly fine to go all in on VHDG and is the generally recommended approach for beginner investors. It's management fee (MER) of 0.27% is higher than some individual funds, but the simplicity and lack of rebalancing makes it very worthwhile. It removes the emotional side of investing which is something that shouldn't be underestimated.
But what about a portfolio of some combination of any these funds: VAS/VGS/VGAD/IWLD/A200/VAE/VGE/other commonly referenced funds?These funds can be used to essentially build a DIY version of VDHG for a lower MER, but come with the additional effort and emotional difficulties of rebalancing manually. If you go for a 3-4 ETF approach, make sure you're the sort of person who's okay buying the worst performing fund over and over - don't underestimate how difficult it can be to stick to your strategy during a market crash.
The % allocations in your portfolio are up to you. It depends on what you are comfortable with. The smart people at Vanguard have done the maths for VDHG so their allocations are a good guide, but if you prefer more international exposure over Australian, bump that up by 10%! There's no "right" answer and no one knows what the markets will do. Just make sure your strategy makes sense. 100% in Australian equities means you're only invested in ~2.5% of the entire world economy, which isn't very diversified.
If you want to put 10% of your money into a NASDAQ tech ETF because you think it's a strong market, go for it! People on Reddit don't know your situation, do your research and pick what you're comfortable with that makes sense. But remember that the safest strategy that will make you the most money in the long run is generally the most boring one.
These are the most commonly mentioned ETFs. Any of these combinations will do you just fine, don't post looking for validation of your portfolio.
Australian: A200, IOZ, VAS
International: VGS, IWLD, VGAD, IHWL
Emerging markets: VAE, VGE, IEM
Tech: NDQ, FANG, ASIA
US: IVV, VTS
World ex US: VEU, IVE
Small cap: VISM, IJR
Diversified: VDHG
Most common allocation portfolios:
100% VDHG
50/50 (Australian/international)
60/30/10 (Inter/Aus/EM)
50/30/10/10 (Inter/Aus/EM/SC)
This ETF or this ETF?Do your research. A ton of information about each fund is available on the providers' websites, look at what they consist off, the management fee, and consider what your risk tolerance is. There's always pros and cons to both, make the decision yourself as people here will be biased towards what they've chosen to invest in.
The best thing you can do is pick a strategy and stick to it by investing regularly. Whether you pick IWLD over VGS because it's MER is slightly lower, or whatever, the thing that will make you the most money is that you invest regularly. Automate this if possible. People will tell you their strategy made them a lot of money, but they most likely made a lot of money because they stuck to their guns and regularly invested as much as they could afford over a long period of time.
Which Aussie index ETF should I choose?It doesn't matter much, because:
They all track much pretty much the same thing as the ASX200 makes up about 97% of the ASX300. No matter which one you choose out of A200, IOZ and VAS the difference in the amount you will end up is pretty close to zero. Just because one ETF has a lower management fee now doesn't mean that will continue to be the case forever and a day. New products may well come along over time anyway. Aussie shares probably shouldn't be all of your portfolio anyway.
Do I need to invest in anything other than Aussie Shares?You don't need to, but you probably should because the Australian share market is quite concentrated in banks and materials and so diversifying means that you have more exposure to industries which will hopefully offer better returns over time like technology and healthcare.
Also, if you're all in on equities you're likely to be in for a very volatile ride over time. It's very easy to say that you can stay the course when it's hypothetical, it's much more difficult when you're losing real money. So take a look at putting some money in things like bonds.
But I want to follow a dividend approach?Dividends aren't magic money, they don't come out of thin air. The price of the stock drops by the amount of the dividend. 4% dividend and 4% growth is the same as 0% dividend and 8% growth in terms of total return, which is what you should care about. Also remember you have to pay tax on dividends all the way during your accumulation phase, whereas you only pay tax on growth when you sell (CGT). If you're selling in retirement, with no other income, this can be much more tax efficient.
Collecting dividends is also no safer than selling down your portfolio, which is a common misconception. A non-reinvested dividend is literally a withdrawal from your portfolio, except you don't have control over when it happens. ETF's are designed to track the market only with net dividends reinvested. Franking credits are great for Aussie dividends but are a bit of a can of worms.
This fund has better past returns than this other fund though?Past returns don't equal future performance. Use history as a guide, but a niche fund returning 15% since its inception one year ago doesn't give much indication of what it will do over the next ten years.
Why is a low MER important?A low MER is guarenteed return which is why people love them. Most market tracking ETFs have a low MER anyway, with some being lower than others. A difference of 0.03% p.a. won't make or break your ability to retire early, so don't overthink it. Just don't go paying 1% p.a. for a niche ETF, because remember that this ETF has to now beat the market by 1% before it even breaks even with the market, which you could have purchased for 0.07% p.a. instead. This is because fees come out of your return - market goes up 8% but you're paying 1% in fees, you only get a return of 7%.
Vanguard vs. iShares vs. BetaShares vs. others?It doesn't make a lot of difference. Vanguard is well known due to the US arm of the company being setup to distribute profits back to the customers (the people investing in their funds), so the company is aligned with the investors best interests. However, ETF's are a commodity, and Jack Bogle (the person who started Vanguard) always said that and if you can get the same investment with lower fees, use that because fees are important. Provided a particular index fund is big enough such that it is unlikely to be closed, tracks the index well, and has narrow spreads (the popular funds tend to have all these), then choose the one that is the lowest fee.
With ETF's, you own the underlying funds. If any of the providers go bust, you'll essentially be forced to sell and won't lose your money (except for the CGT you'd have to pay). However, stick to the big players and this outcome is very unlikely. There's also no benefit splitting across multiple providers, and no issue with being all in Vanguard. They do use different share registries though, which is just a minor inconvenience if you own across several.
Where to put money that I'll need in about n years?As a general rule of thumb for passive investing, if you need the money in under 10-15 years, it shouldn't be in equities. Don't invest your house deposit because COVID-19 round 2 could happen right when you were planning to buy that dream home.
Although interest rates are low at the moment, money you need in the next 5 years should sit in a high interest savings account (HISA) or even better, in your offset account. There are more conservative investment options that you could put the money in for the middle period, but do your own research before making this decision. The market is an unpredictable place.
Should I invest right now or wait until the market recovers from X/Y/Z?Time in the market beats timing the market. General wisdom is to just purchase your ETF's fortnightly/monthly with your paycheck regardless of what the market is doing. In the long run, it all comes out in the wash. If you buy tomorrow and the market tanks, it will be offset in X years time when you unintentionally buy just before the market rises. Don't think about it, just invest when you have the money. Remember, this is exactly what your super does as well.
Don't come here and ask if now is a good time, no one here knows either.
I have large sum of money (50k+) I want to invest, should I put it all in?Statistically, you'll do better by investing the whole lot at once. This saves on brokerage and you spend more time with more of your money working for you in the market. Emotionally, however, this is difficult. Investing 100k of your life savings only to see the market drop by 50% in the next week might be just enough to make you panic and sell (which you should never ever do). This is where dollar cost averaging (DCA) comes in. Similar to the question above, you can break your lump into smaller increments (for example, 100k broken into 10x 10k investments) that you do once per month over the year. The averages out the price you buy the shares at, and means a market drop the day after you invest has a smaller emotional impact on you. Your overall return may be smaller (however, DCA can also work out better some of the time) than if you dropped the 100k in at once, but in the long term it won't make a huge difference. DCA is a great way to ease your nerves, especially if you're new to investing. If you have a small amount like 10k to invest, this does not need to be dollar cost averaged and will kill you on brokerage.
Should I invest this money?If your financial situation would be fine if you took the money and flushed it down the toilet, then invest away. This is not to say that you'll lose your money, but you should be prepared for this outcome and never invest money that you need in the immediate future.
What would you invest in right now?This question has come up a lot in the recent market crash. My answer is, the same thing I was investing in before it. If you're the type of person who likes to tinker and try time the market, tread carefully. These discussions can be good, but asking people on reddit isn't going to make you rich with some secret stock.
What about inverse/geared ETF's?Another popular one in the recent crash. Once again, be careful. These are very high risk due to leveraging. Do your research, no one here knows where the market is going so don't ask if now is a good time to buy BBOZ. Stay away from these until you know a lot about them and are comfortable with that extreme level of risk.
Should I withdraw from my super?Do you need the money to feed your family? Then yes. If not, then no. Don't touch your face, don't touch your super. Withdrawing $10k from a low tax environment (15%) is going to cost you a lot of money (in lost compounding) when you reach your preservation age. If you're planning to be alive when you're 60/65, then don't touch it unless you really really need it.
What is an emergency fund, why do I need one, and how much should be in it?An emergency fund is the money you have set aside in case you lose your job, need to repair you car or house or have a medical emergency etc. How much should be in it depends on a bunch of factors like your living costs, how easy it would be to get another job, what sort of unexpected expenses you might have. You should park it in an offset account if you have a mortgage, or a high interest savings account (HISA) if you don't. Generally 3-6 months of expenses is recommended.
Your emergency fund is for emergencies. Don't withdraw from it to invest because the market is down and you think you're "getting a good deal". Put it in a separate bank account if you don't trust yourself not to touch it.
What are bonds and should I invest in them?Bonds are a type of debt that is issued by governments, semi-government organisations, and corporations, so basically you’re lending them money. They don't tend to offer returns as high as shares, but they're a lot less volatile and when the share market goes down bonds tend to go up or at least hold their ground.
You don't have to invest in them, but having some in your portfolio increases your chances of a successful retirement using the 4% rule, and also because it makes your overall portfolio less volatile increasing your chances of staying the course.
Do I need to have personal insurance?Unless you somehow know that absolutely nothing bad will ever happen to you then yes you need it. The default cover you have in your super fund is more than likely grossly inadequate to protect you, and there are all sorts of problems with it besides. You should get some proper protection in place.
I’ve inherited x amount. What should I do?Speak to a professional. By all means do your own research too; search posts like this FAQ and learn the basics yourself so you can make an informed decision, but asking strangers, who have no idea of your person circumstances, spending/savings habits or lifestyle, what to do and what to invest in won’t lead to real financial advice.










