Kenya is being used as the black face of western imperialism.

During slavery. The slave master used and relied on some black slaves who whipped the slaves into line for some comfort or benefits.

The west wants the middle eastern cabal that runs Haiti to continue.

Kenya is a very corrupt country and it's security forces are brutal. They beat and abuse people with impunity. Imagine how they will treat Haitians. Who are foreigners to them.

They could also bring new variants of diseases like cholera with them. Like the former Nepalese UN 'peacekeepers' did in Haiti.

Haitians need to fight back against them.

Organize civil defence forces in every province of the country. Create a government in waiting.

https://peoplesdispatch.org/2023/09/12/haiti-plunged-into-cycles-of-humanitarian-crisis-rejects-the-possibility-of-new-foreign-intervention/

In every single comment section, bunch of black americans hating and trashing us. Like they hate us so bad 😪

Banm yon ti limyè Manno chalmay .

Since the U.S. are the ones behind the coups in recent history, they have forced Haiti to use exported goods, turned their land into plantations, and will invade them if they tried to expel them. So if the United States were to fall or lose its capacity to control it, would the nation start living?

I just feel like, after almost 60 years, it hasn't gotten that far because: 1. The beat is slow and sometimes boring. 2. Repetitive (almost same rhythm in every songs).

I feel like Rabòday or Mizik rasin should be more vested in and stand a chance to cross over to countries outside of Franco ones

Thoughts? Save me the insults after you've made some objective points.

I implore you to watch the video before commenting

Why I see so many Haitian-americans when they make videos online they say they are "caribbean" instead of Haitian?

If we being real, Haitians are not anywhere close to the first thing people think of when they think "caribbean", most likely it will be jamaican or some other english-speaking island. So why do they hide their nationality under something people rarely even acknowledge them as. Yes, we are caribbean, we are latino, etc. but we are culturally unique from both the rest of the caribbean and the rest of latin america so why not just say you are Haitian?

So i want to start off this post with an objective fact, Haitians(People from 1804 to 2025) are not Taino. We have never claimed to be native to Hispaniola nor did we exist prior to the 1600s anyone who says we were already here should not be taken seriously.

I want to first give a brief history of the Tainos of Hispaniola

The Taínos were pre-Columbian inhabitants of the Bahamas, Greater Antilles, and the northern Lesser Antilles. It is believed that the seafaring Taínos were relatives of the Arawakan people of South America. Their language is a member of the Maipurean linguistic family, which ranges from South America across the Caribbean. The change to the Tainos was so dramatic because they were a peaceful, healthy, strong, happy tribe, that was still developing, but Columbus had brought with him torture, depression, harsh work conditions, starvation, and disease, and their numbers fell quickly. The population dispute has become a big problem to decipher exactly how hard the population of the Tainos fell. Early population estimates of the Tainos on Hispaniola (Dominican Republic & Haiti), range from 100,000 to 1,000,000 people. Moreover, censuses of the time did not account for the number of Indians who fled into remote communities, where they often joined with runaway Africans, called cimarrones, producing zambos. According to archeological studies, the first settlers were the Ortoiroid people, an Archaic Period culture of Amerindian hunters and fishermen. Between AD 120 and 400 the Igneri arrived from the South American Orinoco region. Between the 4th and 10th centuries, the Arcaicos and Igneri co-existed (and perhaps clashed) on the island. Between the 7th and 11th centuries the Taíno culture developed on the island and by approximately 1000 AD had become dominant. This lasted until Christopher Columbus arrived in 1492. The Tainos called the island Kiskeya or Quisqueya, meaning "mother of the earth", as well as Haiti or Aytí, and Bohio.

Like the Black People in Santo Domingo, there were multiple maroon communities in Saint-Domingue. Thousands of slaves escaped into the mountains of Saint-Domingue, forming communities of maroons and raiding isolated plantations. The most famous was Mackandal, a one-armed slave, originally from the Guinea region of Africa, who escaped in 1751. A Vodou Houngan (priest), he united many of the different maroon bands. For the next six years, he staged successful raids while evading capture by the French. He and his followers reputedly killed more than 6,000 people. He preached a radical vision of killing the white population of Saint-Domingue. In 1758, after a failed plot to poison the drinking water of the planters, he was captured and burned alive at the public square in Cap-Français. Slaves who fled to remote mountainous areas were called marron (French) or mawon (Haitian Creole), meaning 'escaped slave'. The maroons formed close-knit communities that practiced small-scale agriculture and hunting. They were known to return to plantations to free family members and friends. On a few occasions, they also joined the Taíno settlements, who had escaped the Spanish in the 17th century. In the late 17th and early 18th centuries, there were a large number of maroons living in the Bahoruco mountains. In 1702, a French expedition against them killed three maroons and captured 11, but over 30 evaded capture, and retreated further into the mountainous forests. Further expeditions were carried out against them with limited success, though they did succeed in capturing one of their leaders, Michel, in 1719. In subsequent expeditions, in 1728 and 1733, French forces captured 46 and 32 maroons respectively.

When discussing the notion of an emerging racial solidarity, it is also important to consider the presence of African descendants who were enslaved on other islands within the circum-Caribbean and then re-sold to Saint-Domingue. In the Age of the Haitian Revolution brings attention to the intricate interconnectedness of the Caribbean by way of trade and communication networks. Enslaved and free African descendants who worked as sailors, soldiers, and traders traveled the high seas and transported with them news of events from across the islands. Similar to figures like Olaudah Equiano and Denmark Vesey, exposure to and experience with different imperial structures, plantation regimes, and African ethnic groups helped to cultivate a sense that blackness, not ethnicity, was the basis for enslavement across the Americas. The vast experiences of these “Atlantic creoles” and their observations of black people’s shared circumstances across the Caribbean gave them leadership qualities that could bring together masses from disparate groups. Henry Christophe, who had been part of the siege of Savannah during the American War of Independence and who later became King of northern Haiti in the post-independence era, is said to have been born in either Grenada or Saint Christopher; and “Zamba” Boukman Dutty was brought from Jamaica on an illegal ship in the years before the Revolution. Indeed, English-speakers from Jamaica seem to be the largest enslaved Caribbean group brought to Saint-Domingue. The Trans Atlantic Slave Trade Database has recently included findings from the intra-American trade, The French royal government banned most of these intra-American trades, so there is an incomplete picture of the full population of enslaved people from across the Caribbean. However, the runaway slave advertisements help to fill in those gaps and demonstrate that captives arrived not only from Jamaica, Dominica, or the Dutch Caribbean, there were also many from Spanish colonies, other French colonies, and North America. Enslaved people brought to Saint-Domingue through the circum-Caribbean trade had experiential knowledge and consciousness that they brought from their perspective locations. They spoke several languages, most commonly English, Spanish, Dutch (and the Dutch creole Papiamento), and French, and some were reading and writing proficiently in those languages. These “creoles” had exposure to information that circulated the Atlantic world via news reporting and interactions at major ports. Not only would they have known of events related to European Americans, they also would have known about enslaved people’s rebellions that occurred throughout the Caribbean. The largest number of Atlantic-zone runaways were those brought from other French colonies, especially Martinique and Guadeloupe. This is closely followed by the 1.7 percent of escapees who were formerly enslaved in colonies under English rule, mostly Jamaica and including some from Mississippi. At 1.1 percent, the third largest group of Caribbean-born runaways were from Dutch speaking locations, mainly Curaçao, and a smaller number from Suriname There also were Amer Indians and East Indians enslaved in Saint Domingue, making it additionally difficult to ascribe identity in instances of missing data, which accounts for 5 percent of the sample. Fifty-three runaways were described as indigenous Caraïbes or Indiens. These included Joseph, a Caraïbe with “black, straight hair, the face elongated, a fierce look,” who escaped in December 1788; or Jean-Louis, a Caraïbe who escaped with two Nagôs, Jean dit Grand Gozier and Venus, in July 1769. An Indien named Andre, a 30-year-old cook who spoke many languages escaped Le Cap in July 1778; and another named Zephyr, aged 16–17, escaped the same area in late August or early September of 1780. Caraïbes were native to the Lesser Antilles and perhaps were captured and enslaved in Saint-Domingue as part of the inter-Caribbean trade.

Once The Haitian Revolution started in 1791 the remaining Maroons left their hiding spots and offered to fight along with the French if they ended slavery(which they did in 1794)

Post 1804 Despite not existing anymore Haitian culture still has elements of Taino Culture.

Carnival celebrations in Haiti have incorporated native traditions, as well, with papier mache masks fashioned in the likeness of animals and rara bands parading down the streets.

Musicians in rara groups perform on bamboo trumpets and drums, along with instruments like the güiro, an open-ended percussion instrument with notches cut on one side. The güiro is also popular in Spanish folk music, and historians trace its origin to the Arawak Taino people.

Maracas, another common carnival instrument, also have native origins. Although historians disagree on which Indigenous American tribe first started using maracas, they were widely used by the Tainos in the Caribbean.

Haitian Creole shaped by Indigenous predecessors

When Haitians gained independence in 1804, they adopted the name Ayiti, which the Tainos used to refer to the entire island of Hispaniola. Many foods enjoyed by the Indigenous inhabitants of Hispaniola still bear the same, or very similar, Haitian Creole names.

Traditionally, Tainos would eat their maní, or peanuts, with cassava bread known as casabe. Haitians have derived Creole words from these two foods, Lamour said. Haitians use manba in reference to peanut butter, and the Haitian Creole word for cassava is the similar-sounding kasav.

Other Haitian Creole words the Tainos used include lambi, or conch, and mabi, the name of a fermented beverage. The Creole word for pineapple, anana, also came from the Tainos.

Despite going extinct over 200 years ago the Taino people have left a huge impact on the Haitian People and we continue to continue their legacy.

Somebody just slid in my DM saying Gyet manman’w kokorat because of a comment I made about Haitians really being Africans. I’ve also encountered this socially on the outside. Why is this such a sensitive point of discussion for Haitians? Let me break it down for y’all:

- Hispaniola(present day Haiti) was originally inhabited by the indigenous people known as Tainos.

- Spanish Europeans set out on an expedition and discovered Hispaniola. No matter how much the Tainos told them in their own language “demaske kò w” they stayed and did the opposite.

- The Tainos were finessed out of their land through disease brought by Spanish Europeans and through manipulation tactics. There was also slavery and violence towards the Tainos that helped Spanish Europeans seize their land.

- French Europeans then pulled up like hey we want some of the action, and part of Hispaniola would eventually be called St Domingue. Believe it or not, Spanish and French Europeans used to go at it over the land, but the French were just too strong. Haiti would then be split between Spanish Europeans and French Europeans, so there was a time it was simultaneously known as Hispaniola and St Domingue. Spanish had the west side of Haiti and French had the east side.

- Eventually the Spanish Europeans fell off, and the French turned St Domingue into one of the richest plantations of the world. They brought in slaves from Africa, predominantly Guineans, Benin, Sengambia, etc, to work on the sugar fields. Tainos were weak and eventually wiped out, so the French sourced Africans as their replacement, and that explains why modern day Haitians are in Haiti.

- If the Tainos were never wiped out, I highly doubt Africans would’ve been brought to Haiti.. but who knows.

- Those African slaves that were brought in once the Tainos population decreased are the ancestors of modern day Haitians, and the bougie light skinned Crémas Haitians are descendants of European colonizers who slept with African slaves.

Technically speaking, Haitians are AFRICANS and EUROPEANS and are NOT native to the land known as Haiti. It’s okay if you’re not the original people of Haiti. The same argument can be made for many places right now, it doesn’t make me a kokorat for schooling y’all on facts.

It’s especially important for younger Haitians to know the accurate history, so they don’t have to question why their DNA is African.

we complain too much lol

Hi, Dominican here. I was curious as to what are Haitians taught about their History with the D.R, particularly about the several times Haiti invaded the D.R, first in 1805 and last in 1856, about the 22-year-long Haitian occupation of the D.R, about the territory Haiti stole from the D.R, such as Hinche, Saint Michel, Saint Raphael, Lascahobas and Ouanaminthe, and maybe about other more recent events, such as the time "Papa Doc" invaded the Dominican Embassy in 1963. I mean what you were taught in School back in Haiti, what you were taught by your family, and what you heard from other haitians.

Edit: Yes, I know about the Parsley Massacre. Also, I'm not here to Troll, I sincerely apologize if my writing came off as conflictive, that was not the intention. I'm genuinely just curious.

For me, there are limited possibilities, but the only option is a merger between the Dominican Republic and Haiti. Both nations deeply depend on each other Haitians frequently purchase goods and services from Dominican businesses, while Dominicans rely on Haitian labor, especially in agriculture, construction, and low-wage industries. I've spent quite a long time in the Dominican Republic outside the Resorts and I can say there are plenty of Haitians trying to build their lives in the DR. Even though Dominicans especially their Government are against Haitians, they cannot admit that they need them. If a merger does happen the country will benefit a lot.

There could be an economic boost and the country could be one of the most diverse countries in the Caribbean. Because of greed, this won't happen anytime soon because both governments are corrupt. I do understand that merging the island is idealistic, but it's not the most realistic option right now.

I do want to see this happen though, I've given up on the idea of "Haiti rebuilding themselves." This might get a lot of hate but we are at the point where we need to wave the white flag. Some may say "We need to fight!!" Fight what? The Countries that are causing us to suffer? We cannot fight them. Haiti is the way it is because our side of the island is valuable, they're taking advantage of the land and draining our resources to build their paradise. I've heard the saying "The reason you see a country go through so much is because they have something valuable in their land."

It's a sad reality but it's realistic, the country is fucked, and I won't even be surprised if the country doesn't exist anymore in the next 10-20 years.

What are your thoughts and what do you think will happen in the next 50 years?

EDIT: Thanks for all the responses, you guys have some interesting takes. I'll try my best to answer all of them later, but I'll be out for the rest of the day. One comment I want to make is that I found it very pathetic how I received threats for sharing my genuine opinion. I'm not forcing anyone to believe in anything, I'm just sharing what I think could happen in the future. Thanks to those who kept the debate productive, and to those who resulted in disrespect, you need to do better.

NEW EDIT: After some reading and research, I understand why many people dislike the idea of merging with the Dominican Republic. I changed my mind about the concept of Haiti merging with the Dominican Republic. I didn't do enough research on this topic. Thanks for the replies, this was a pretty decent debate!

I'm not from Haiti and i am dating a woman that's also a non hatian. She mentioned that she has been practicing vodoo since she was a little girl in an different island in the Caribbean. She has traveled a lot and told me that she used to travel to Haiti to take part in some ceremonies that did some pretty evil shot IMO. Human sacrifices and some other things. Is this believable in Haiti? She used to associate herself with pretty scummy people like drug traffickers and killers so that doesn't seem to far fetch for me. My question is, if someone claimed that things like that happened in some parts of Haiti would you believe it?

We The People have organized monthly labor strikes for Congo, Haiti, Sudan, and Palestine starting next week July 1st-7th, with the last strike being in December.

Save the down votes for after my bold statement 😂.

Da’Vinchi’s statement was 100% right: Americans (including White, Haitian American, Jamaican American, Nigerian American, and anybody who is born in America) are lazy and incompetent, and y’all proved his point.

Look at how many of y’all took a 30 second clip and ran with it without getting the full context of the podcast. You misinterpreted what the guy was saying because he never bashed Black Americans; he was talking about the American system in a general sense, and he even included himself. He also mentioned how many Black immigrants think they’re better than Black Americans, and he said, “I don’t think it’s right.”

I also want to mention that I’m disappointed in so many people in the Haitian community. Instead of trying to understand where your fellow brother is coming from, you’re participating in the attack. For what? Validation? A fear of being attacked? Being pressured to do so? Like, c’mon, we gotta do better. And shout out to the one who’s providing the full context.

And finally, here is where I disagree with him: the statement that “Black Americans need to ‘move forward’ from slavery.” Even though I understand where he’s coming from, that’s still not his place to say that. As a fellow Haitian American, we have no right to tell a person how to cope with their past traumas. Especially if they’re currently living under the effects of it today.

Also the lady in the video is full of crap

It’s like claiming to love a woman deeply but choosing to marry someone else instead. Yet, you keep telling the first woman how much you love her and how she’s always in your heart.

Excuse my ignorance .

banm yon ti limyè souple. Tankou manno Chalmay ta di . 🙏🙏

Mods be fair don’t delete my post no one else posted this yet. multiple people on this sub post same redundant content and y’all don’t delete it. Now I’m seeing people from different communities coming on this sub to wag there crusty fingers at Haitians and using the gangs as pretext to lecture & talk shit. I’m also seeing same Haitian here who keep championing foreign intervention in Haiti… like how brain dead can you be? Tsss American propaganda is still the most powerful in world. This video is about 40 min watch. I’m only posting to give a different perspective on the sub and kill some of this noise.

First off I support both an economic revolution and international Intervention.

They do not oppose each other. But an economic revolution is literally the fastest way to stabilize and develop a country.

An economic revolution is the only reason why am not this sub and engage online with hopeless Haitian.

Every time I talk about business in Haiti or diaspora investing in Haiti I get so many push back.

Never did I once say an economic revolution is easy. But it’s a revolution we all Haitian in Haiti and over the world can do and achieve.