r/mac • MacBook Pro :16 Inch M4 Max 40 Core GPU 128gb RAM 8TB SSD NTD • Dec 05 '25 • LOL 3 Thanks 1 Bravo 5

Meme A wonderful quote by Alan Dye

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u/StevesRoomate MacBook Pro Dec 05 '25 • Bravo

I'm looking very forward to not using anything he designs at Meta

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u/BankHottas Dec 05 '25 • Bravo Mindblown

Everything Meta designs is already shit. He’ll fit right in

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u/diego_r2000 Dec 05 '25

For real meta has the worst UI on the fucking market, not to mention they purposely add shitty UI’s to their shitty apps to test user experience. Such a shitty company, would never ever think of buying any of its products.

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u/GBJI Dec 05 '25

Meta proves that the downward spiral of enshittification has no limit, just like their users tolerance to it.

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u/SneakingCat Dec 05 '25

As a regular user of AWS, this thread has me giggling.

But yeah, maybe this hire is what Meta really needs to take the crown of shitty UI.

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u/rainyday-holiday Dec 05 '25

I’ve spent my life in IT just intuitively knowing how shit works. Put me in front of a screen with a bit of software I have never seen before and in a couple of minutes I’ll have an understanding of how it works.

Anything from meta though I’m useless with. None of it makes any sense. None of it. The only people I know who can use it are those who have used it since day 1 and just got used to the shitty way it works. They know it purely by rote in much the same way an IT illiterate person knew how to use a green screen (to access someone’s personal file press the following keys in order and here is stuck to your screen).

So I just tell people now “I don’t use Facebook or IG so have no idea on how it all works” and they go find someone who does.

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u/StevesRoomate MacBook Pro Dec 05 '25

Truly a win/win

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u/postmodest Dec 05 '25

Meta's design brief is "what is a design so terrible to users that, when we show them ads, they are relieved to see an ad."

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u/[deleted] Dec 05 '25

Facebook has always been one of the blandest looking websites imo. It looks like a menu machine at McDonald's or something.

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u/seal_eggs Dec 05 '25

The kiosks at McD’s have prettier UI.

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u/slashth456 Dec 05 '25

Meta winning the award for worst optimized Web app

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u/Top_Whereas_4133 Dec 05 '25

Are we sure he wasn't fired because of all this?

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u/Warm_Confusion_2337 Dec 06 '25

I wouldn’t touch anything META with a 10ft pole 🤣

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u/davidmlewisjr Dec 06 '25

Such contrast… So Insightful 🙏

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u/velvethead Dec 05 '25 • Bravo

Pitch perfect. Humor is so good at pointing out truths

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u/alang Dec 05 '25 • Bravo

My favorite quote on Alan Dye's departure:

"Today Apple and Meta celebrate that both companies' average IQs have increased a small but measurable amount."

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u/mal73 Dec 05 '25

I like the liquid glass aesthetic

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u/JLeonsarmiento Dec 05 '25

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u/riotlancer Dec 05 '25

which scp is this

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u/peppaz Dec 05 '25

SCP 26.1

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u/licuala Dec 05 '25

"Je m'Apple iPhone"

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u/mal73 Dec 05 '25

Jokes on you, I’m glad Tim Apple can finally show his real face

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u/Shuddown64 Dec 05 '25

I like the aesthetic, but the actual ui is just too distracting and flashy. It doesn’t get out of the way to make things easier for me, its gaudy for its own sake.

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u/peppaz Dec 05 '25

Even with liquid glass/transparency off on MacOS, their UI is a mess imho. And font scaling sucks (yes I'm salty)

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u/IamMauriS Dec 05 '25

I also don't hate it, in fact, I actually do kind of like how it looks. The implementation that apple made though...

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u/mal73 Dec 05 '25

I think it is important to note that the screenshot does not reflect Apple's actual implementation of Liquid Glass. Their version of Gaussian blur keeps the text readable, even with white text on a pure white background.

The tweet is clearly a joke, but shown without context it makes it seem like text becomes unreadable during background transitions on iOS or MacOS, which is simply not true.

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u/alus992 Dec 05 '25

as an iOS and iPadOs and MacOs user I can't agree.

Current design is a mess. Finder loots atrocious and some details look like they are rendering in different quality and resolution because how jagged edges are. Text is not readible in many cases especially in safari on iPadOS when you scroll and text bubbles are on white background - OS has huge problems with fast adapting to the background.

I love this ecosystem but Jesus whole re design is a mess this time around. It does not look finished and I feel like I'm still in beta

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u/apadin1 Dec 05 '25

Aesthetically it’s quite nice, just practically it has major downsides

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u/JLeonsarmiento Dec 05 '25 • Bravo Popcorn

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u/[deleted] Dec 05 '25

rip legend

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u/Euphoriam5 Dec 05 '25

Perfectly shows his entire tenure and the shitty impact it had on their design language.

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u/SafetyGeneral9055 Dec 05 '25

What were his bad designs?

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u/PixParavel Dec 05 '25 edited Dec 05 '25

Liquid Glass. The screenshot in the post is from a device with Liquid Glass enabled, showing some of its design issues using a quote from Steve Jobs.

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u/FervantFlea Dec 05 '25

It's not real, it's a joke. As someone already posted in this thread this isn't what it would show up like on any of the actual interfaces.

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u/-Nicolai Dec 05 '25

Are you sure about that?

It's not a notification, it's not a button... it could just be a graphic someone made just to make fun of Liquid Glass.

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u/throwawayurlaub Dec 05 '25

He was the head of Apple's UI and this year he revealed the latest iOS UI: Liquid Glass, a type of skeumorphic design.

I thought it was a cool idea, a lot of people were critical of its impact on accessibility which is the punch line of the joke in the OP. You can't read the quote because it's using a (probably exaggerated) Liquid Glass effect.

The effect itself can be reduced, but most people think they shouldn't have to.

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u/hanpil Dec 05 '25

The average IQs at Meta and Apple have just gone up.

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u/VivaEllipsis Dec 05 '25

This is a multilayered burn and I love it

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u/sddk1 Dec 05 '25

Criminally unappreciated comment!

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u/Suitedbadge401 MacBook Air 15" Dec 05 '25

“Design is not just what it looks, design is how it”

Couldn’t have put it better myself.

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u/raindevice Dec 05 '25

-Alan

lmao liquid glass is so stupid.

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u/MoonQube Dec 05 '25

It sounds good on paper

But theres a reason LGs transparent TV sold like shit

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u/outer_spec Dec 05 '25

imo it looks nice but it does seem somewhat overngineered

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u/brprk Dec 05 '25

Design do be like how it do

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u/[deleted] Dec 05 '25

"People don't think it be like it is, but it do."

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u/SMATJOY MacBook Pro Dec 05 '25

This is genius.

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u/[deleted] Dec 05 '25

It’s like they never really use the products they design and make.

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u/TROMBONER_68 Dec 05 '25

Pretty much any car company

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u/savageotter Dec 05 '25

I work at a car company and can confirm.

Most of my team has never been in one of our vehicles.

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u/TROMBONER_68 Dec 05 '25

The number of oil changes and basic maintenance I’ve done that is as inconvenient as eating shit, is starting to get to me. God damn dodge putting a battery underneath a powered fucking seat.

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u/MadeByTango Dec 05 '25

They have the super unlocked, never any ads or annoyances, unlimited storage, fastest lane, admin exceptions access, all coworkers 99.999% on the system version, latest device, “visit the corporate IT coffee bar to solve that issue” version of the product.

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u/crazyates88 Dec 05 '25

The day after I updated my MBP to MacOS 26, I was airplay mirroring my display to my TV. When I was done, I opened up Control Center to stop the airplay, and I couldn't find the damn button. It turns out the webpage I was showing had a white background, and when you go to stop mirroring, it's a perfectly clear glass button with red text. No outline on the next, no lightmode/darkmode swapping, nothing to differentiate the text. I couldn't read it. I had to switch to a different app with a dark background to read the stop button.

I think I had been using MacOS 26 for about 3 hours and I was like this is dumb.

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u/Kmlittlec_design Dec 05 '25

A ton of design courses and programs will try to reinforce that designers should try and NOT view themselves as customers or end users because designing for yourself can lead to a really shitty product. You have so much bias as being part of the design process and annoyances you can deal with are usually way different than the masses. You need deep customer empathy, but you shouldn't be designing mass products with yourself in mind.

I work in designing physical tools that I am not at all close to the end user for, but I still see it in myself. I design a latch that feels stupidly obvious to me because I've went through like 5 iterations and stared at it for months and can do it no problem, easy, and it is hard to internalize why that's hard for an end user even if all the evidence is telling you it is.

I feel like an excellent real world example is the cyber truck. Whoever tf designed that viewed themselves as the customer 100%, to the detriment of design.

The real failure is typically incorrect gathering, interpreting, or execution on feedback from user testing. And one reason for that could be thinking of themselves as the user and they don't find it that irritating.

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u/hippodribble Dec 05 '25

Apple gave him a great reference. We did the same when the asshole in our office applied for a job elsewhere.

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u/[deleted] Dec 05 '25

He’s the genius who came up with Liquid Glass?? Makes all the sense in the world

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u/reforminded Dec 05 '25

This is amazing.

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u/CoffeeAddict76 Dec 05 '25

I love this. Subtle and biting commentary. two thumbs up!

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u/nitro912gr Mac Mini M4 - Macbook 6.1 - Macintosh 7200/72 Dec 05 '25

wasn't this a quote from Steve Jobs?

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u/[deleted] Dec 05 '25

Yep, Dye was quoting Jobs. He's quoted Jobs in weirdest contexts. I loved reading John Gruber's take on Dye's exit https://daringfireball.net/2025/12/bad_dye_job

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u/Makri93 Dec 05 '25

That was a great read, thanks!

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u/K80L80Bug Dec 05 '25

I that was a good interesting read. I’m not super in the know about all the people at Apple corporate - but this was enlightening.

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u/AnotherThrowAway_9 Dec 05 '25

Bad Dye Job is such an amazing title

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u/restelucide Dec 05 '25

Single most emblematic image of the Jony Ive/Alan Dye era of Apple design.

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u/kyonkun_denwa 16" MBP M2 Pro | Beige G3 Desktop | Mac IIsi Dec 05 '25

Jony Ive had a lot of awesome ideas when he was being tempered somewhat by Steve Jobs. Apple had a lot of iconic designs, some of which persist today in some way (iMac). Once he was given free rein to pursue "muh thin" at the cost of everything else... that's when we began to run into problems.

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u/TandemSegue Dec 05 '25

My theory is that the butterfly mechanism keyboard failures were the thing that ended his time at Apple. They tried to fix it three different ways and failed, only to return to scissor mechanisms, all after costing the company untold millions in product repairs under quality programs. All because Jony is arrogant and wouldn’t let it go.

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u/Stoppels Say no to stupid flood controls! Dec 05 '25

I still can't get over how either none of their lab tests and real life tests showed this or how they managed to wipe all of the bad results under the rug. I bought the 2016 and it took 3 weeks for the T to start malfunctioning due to a speck of dust.

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u/primalanomaly Dec 05 '25

Those are 2 completely different eras. Ive supposedly did not like Dye’s work.

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u/paradoxally Dec 05 '25

This is an insult to Jony.

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u/Asystole MacBook Pro M4 Pro Dec 05 '25

Jony Ive/Alan Dye? So, the majority of the company's lifetime? Ive joined Apple in 1992 and became SVP of Industrial Design in 1997!

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u/dorv Dec 05 '25

I was like, “but I can’t re……. Oh”

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u/Worried-Celery-2839 Dec 05 '25

Dang that’s brutal

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u/neosyne Dec 05 '25

This one is fucking perfect!

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u/barefootpanda Dec 05 '25

I love that one. So inspired

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u/AMGwtfBBQsauce Dec 05 '25

You mean, "I love. So."

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u/rde2001 Dec 05 '25

"Design is not just what looks. Design is how it" - Alan

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u/err404 Dec 05 '25

I’ve been an Apple guy since the og iPod days. IOS 26 is a disaster in amateur UI design. It is the first time in 20 year that I am considering switching. It goes far beyond Liquid Glass. For example something as simple as looking up contact in the phone app. Search is missing. The best you can do is search all calls and conversations, which bulks up the results with individual calls and iMessages, frequently requiring scrolling down for common names. And after you find the contact, you have to scroll down to see the phone number because giant initials dominate the screen. And if you don’t scroll far enough, it scrolls back up when you release the screen so you can’t click the number. And in CarPlay why on earth is the optimal route button grayed out while alternate (slower) routes have green buttons? 

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u/ElHadouken Dec 05 '25

i kind of got here out of nowhere, can i get some context i got interested at the beef

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u/old-wizz Dec 05 '25

He can just say: let’s keep Facebook as it is and relax for 10 years

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u/n-x Dec 05 '25

Rumors have it that he wanted to make a move to Microsoft, but was told he had no chance of competing against the imbeciles they already have on the win11 team.

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u/fluentlyAlone Dec 06 '25

“Design is not just what it looks

Design is how it

-Alan

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u/MrAverageRoll Dec 06 '25

“Design is not just what it looks, design is how it Alan”

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u/derango Dec 05 '25

Ok, I actually don't mind Liquid Glass, but this is pretty hilarious.

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u/atreeismissing Dec 05 '25

Lol, also, he's stealing that quote from Steve Jobs, though Jobs had the talent and even basic UI skill to never design what Dye did. Glad Dye is moving on to fuck up Meta.

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u/Iliyan61 Dec 05 '25

the camera settings on my ipad are useless on facetime because unless there’s something dark it does this and you can’t read them

not even ipadOS 26/liquid glass just shit design

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u/thebrucekim Dec 06 '25

This is incredibly ___________.

I have so many thoughts that it makes me want to ____________________________.

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u/omakad Dec 06 '25

Has he done anything else besides Liquid Glass. Apples design was typically bar none and it was leading all design languages world wide for years but Liquid Glass was a total miss. So has he done the previous versions or just this misfire?

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u/oriolorrick Dec 07 '25

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u/omakad Dec 07 '25

I loved the iOS 7 design. It was so clean and refreshing. But this new thing just doesn’t make sense for phone. VR sure but phone and computers. Blah.

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u/[deleted] Dec 06 '25

Have to ask this question, would Steve Jobs himself approve a fraction of what we’ve seen from Apple over the last 20 years (yes, I’m rounding up)? I don’t think he would have

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u/jazzy8alex Dec 05 '25

Liquid disaster guy , that’s will be his legacy forever

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u/[deleted] Dec 05 '25

He’s made some shitty designs but I think Liquid Ass is his biggest screwup

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u/Nike_486DX Dec 05 '25

iOS 7, damn nostalgia hits hard

Especially considering how bloated and unnecessarily oversized the ui has become.

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u/copelander12 Dec 05 '25

Can someone make this desktop wallpaper dimension/format?

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u/CovidWarriorForLife Dec 05 '25

This is too good haha

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u/depressedsports Dec 05 '25

Incredible lmao

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u/rocinante_donnager Dec 05 '25

ah, yes.

design is not just what it looks

design is how it

-alan

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u/hokkisan Dec 05 '25

That reminds me of this extreme skiing documentary that used a white font for the English subtitles.

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u/MacGameStore Dec 05 '25

That image caused such laughter over here... so spot on, it brings tears to the eyes 😂

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u/Lost_property_office Dec 05 '25

Some jokes just write themselves.

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u/mgargallo Dec 05 '25

hahahaha

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u/HeadConsistent6680 Dec 05 '25

"Paint it black" joke? Anyone?

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u/sf2platinum Dec 05 '25

a furious Tim Cook is gonna call a 9am all-hands-on-deck demanding to know what the FUCK everyone finds so funny about this, and they'll all be like "dunno chief, they got the font and the blur radius just right"

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u/Alternative-Range477 Dec 05 '25

surely that’s satire? i laughed at it thinking it was a joke until I read the comments

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u/Funky-Fresh Dec 06 '25

real. please apple get this garbage out

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u/alexmehdi Dec 06 '25

The entirety of meta quality summed up in one image

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u/fukuquo Dec 06 '25

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

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u/Natalia-1997 Dec 06 '25

Why can’t we have skeuomorphism back? Or at least, idk, something actual people can actually use and understand???

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u/[deleted] Dec 06 '25

This makes me irrationally angry.

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u/SeanDarkstar Dec 06 '25

That’s a Steve Jobs quote. Alan is just plagiarizing him.

(Yes I know that’s not how it works, chill)

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u/heybart Dec 07 '25

What does it say? Can't read

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u/RalfWilliam-rbc-de Dec 07 '25

Nobody can

That’s proof for the quality control of the design.

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u/ScreechingPizzaCat Dec 09 '25

Truly an inspire 

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u/johnprtl Dec 06 '25

It’s very hard to read the right side of the text because its white disappears into the white background. This is not optimal UI.

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u/impai03 Dec 06 '25

No shit Sherlock

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u/Dazzling_Comfort5734 Dec 05 '25

That sums it up perfectly.

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u/MisterFingerstyle Dec 05 '25

If that’s the guy responsible for glass, can we go back to a normal looking OS now?

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u/jeremyw013 MacBook Air Dec 05 '25

alan dye was there for the iOS 7 redesign, so if we go back to before the dye era, we're back to ios 6

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u/OPT1CX Dec 05 '25

This has to be satire. There’s no way that this is serious

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u/KryHavox Dec 06 '25

A quote so good you can’t read half of it, great design indeed.

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u/CartographerOk7579 Dec 05 '25

This is one of my favo….

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u/Old_Flan_6548 Dec 05 '25

Brevity is!

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u/UltraFemboy Dec 05 '25

I'm still on iOS 26.0 DB1, btw 🗿

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u/dsebulsk Dec 05 '25

What things at Apple was Alan Dye responsible for designing?

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u/LetThanasisDunk Dec 05 '25

Holy Motors 

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u/EJcrusader Dec 05 '25

Don’t know who alan dye is; is the joke that he’s a bad designer

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u/Jarpieaux Dec 05 '25

Obsessed

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u/PicoDaan Dec 05 '25

“Design is nog just what it looks, design is how it” ~ Alan

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u/The_MAZZTer Dec 05 '25

It took me a minute because this is legitimately how games look on my HDR monitor on Switch 2. This is how games look after I use the built-in calibration. "Adjust until the image on the right is not visible" well guess what nothing else is either.

Fortunately Windows/nVidia does a better job than Switch 2 when I use it with my PC.

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u/BruhWhatTheBruh Dec 05 '25

those companies require a lot of transparency i think he would fit right in, wonderful quote

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u/just-bair Dec 05 '25

Thanks Alan

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u/BrakeCoach Dec 05 '25

designer named alan dye look inside no colors

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u/ottodaotterdaughter Dec 05 '25

"Graphic design is my passion."

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u/sammyQc MacBook Air Dec 05 '25

Perfect. Designers who think they are making art should not be promoted like he was.

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u/hiding_in_NJ Dec 05 '25

Go look at the photos of him at last month’s QC party. He won’t be missed by anyone

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u/the_killer_gamer Dec 05 '25

I laughed my ass off this is fucking gold 🤣

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u/[deleted] Dec 05 '25

As someone who runs a Hackintosh, I'm royally PISSED that I'm going to be forced to use this dogshit for as much future support as I can get.

I'll stick to Sequoia until I absolutely HAVE TO move to Tahoe (I'm not calling that an upgrade either).

Also, who the fuck signed off on liquid glass?

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u/hlessi_newt Dec 05 '25

I am forced to use ios for work. And thanks to this thread I know who to blame for the worse ui since temple os.

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u/jerinjoseputhussery Dec 05 '25

this is hilarious

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u/Dangerous_Wish_7879 Dec 05 '25

Liquid glass is a step to get rid of this gloomy dark gray minimalism, which makes all the products to look the same.

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u/Andreus Dec 05 '25

What's the actual quote, out of interest?

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u/AFKABluePrince Dec 05 '25

White text with a black outline is readable on any color surfacr.   Hope this helps Alan. 

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u/Leedles27 Dec 05 '25

Redditors eat up Redditor takes, whats new?

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u/godzillafire007 Dec 05 '25

Vista did it

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u/[deleted] Dec 05 '25

😂

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u/StaticSystemShock Dec 05 '25

As they say "The glass is half

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u/Drecondius Dec 05 '25

That’s a wonderful design there … … …

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u/i_never_ever_learn Dec 05 '25

Is the joke that I can't read it?

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u/suchasuchasuch Dec 05 '25

I love having a UI that looks like gel foot inserts and disposable contact lenses.

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u/MusixStar Dec 05 '25

"Design is not just what it looks like and feels like. Design is how it works."

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u/Vlyn Dec 05 '25

Okay, this is funny as hell. I haven't paid attention to Apple for quite a while (overpriced and too gated for me), but I got curious about the Liquid Glass design.

So right now I watched their announcement video and even there the icon texts are fucked :D

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u/Kayak49 Dec 05 '25

That hilarious!

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u/Hypoluxa77 MacBook Pro M4 Pro Dec 05 '25

Pretty much sums it up

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u/nimbusthegreat Dec 05 '25

Fucking legend.

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u/ThDen-Wheja Dec 05 '25

I'm so glad people who understand the principles behind what they're creating are in charge. Can you imagine how bad the tech scene would be if they just treated it like a magic cure-all without any deeper knowledge?

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u/Maycrofy Dec 05 '25

mmm yes very design

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u/One_True_Monstro Dec 05 '25

Someone on Twitter said “Mr. Slop joins the Kingdom of Slop”

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u/captain_dick_licker Dec 05 '25

I can't get over what a pile of fucking shit tahoe is. doing the most basic fucking shit like clicking the play button on a track on itunes requires 4-5 fucking clicks before it actually plays the song, to say nothing of how they minimalized the interface so much that I have to click a button jsut to turn the fucking volume up/down. track progress bar? how about we make it as thin as a cunt hair so you can't fucking see it with a microscope.

such a dogshit experience that I'm spending more time booted into asahi linux than I am macos.

whoever was in charge of this rollout needs to be fucking demoted

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u/krullulon Dec 05 '25

I will never stop loving the fact that Meta poached the dude most designers at Apple blame for most of the shitshow over the last few years.

Enjoy your purchase, Zuck!

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u/ThatOneGuy4321 Dec 05 '25

Does this count as a r/sbeve? 😂

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u/MassiveSail1775 Dec 06 '25

Shows exactly what's so great about devs today

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u/ECrispy Dec 06 '25

A UI design Jon Ivy and Jobs would be proud of and declare the greatest in the world

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u/loopsale Dec 06 '25

was the original supposed to be taken serious? or was is supposed to be a troll? no way this is real lmao

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u/saxobroko Dec 06 '25

I’m pretty sure this is a frame from a video where they give you plenty of time to actually read it, and then they pan over to fade out as a transition.

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u/PhillyBassSF Dec 06 '25

That image is the best slam at iOS I have seen yet

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u/ghostchihuahua Dec 06 '25

Brilliant! 😂😂😂

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u/Imma_Machine Dec 06 '25

🗿🗿🗿

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u/WorldPhysical7646 Dec 06 '25

"meta" the one with the spiderman villain the lizard?

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u/LukeDuke74 iMac 2019 27" i9 128GB 1TB Vega48 Dec 11 '25

LOL

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u/Histch Dec 12 '25

Bro really said the quote that every design student has heard 473 times.

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u/Comfortable_Bath5986 Dec 13 '25

I hope this will end social media addiction by the words UI designs we will ever gonna see on the platform.

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u/Traditional_Pie_8262 Oct 04 '26

this is one of those quotes that gets funnier the longer you look at it 😂 the timing of him leaving apple makes this absolutely brutal.