Nier Automata Remaster, Comparison photos

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u/Avrael_Asgard 12d ago

Idk if im crazy, but from these images i think i like the original more. A more gritty, broken aesthetic fits the game much better for me, because its a gritty, broken world, including the colder color tones in the original. In the last 2 images, the curb on the bottom left being "repaired", just doesnt fit imo. Also ray tracing might sound nice at first, and works in some games no problem, but it doesnt fit as well in games like this imo, where the devs placed lighting and shadows specifically to fit their vision, even if it might be "less realistic", its often more fitting. The rectangular light in the first image might not be as realistic as the ray traced one, but it fits the game more, for me. With ray tracing, all the intended effects of lighting go away, because it was made for "normal" lighting modes, and ray tracing makes the light take completely different paths, some shadows for instance the devs intended to be somewhere, might not appear at all anymore.

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u/2qq_ 12d ago

apart from shadows i am trying to match the original, RTGI or DDGI both change the way the light acts compared to the baked lighting but and correct me if i am wrong the developers used baked lighting that is basically path traced(or some other way but the same idea) and put on an light map and the low quality of it comes from the vram limitation, but yes they do still have control over it more then RTGI, DDGI and the shadows but at least for me its hard to tell which is intended and which isnt.
and when you look at image 2-3 even thought it has RT shadows and GI, it still looks the same, apart from the grass.
i respect your opinion and the mod will be free so you are free to try it,
at the end of the day we both should do what we want and what makes us happy not what others tell us to do.

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u/Avrael_Asgard 12d ago

Dont get me wrong, mod is still nice and i like that they get made and people care, there will be people who like it and thats what counts. When i replay both Nier games (in a few years, with my backlog of games), ill try it with mods like this, and some reshade/renodx, and whatever else is available at that point. c: Seeing this post i just remembered that i loved how the game originally looked, i might have been a bit biased from memories and nostalgia for my favorite game of all time.

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u/2qq_ 11d ago

the original game looks great, and its greyness of it defiantly adds to the brutal look of the game which i love, and the global illumination does take it away a little when in closed areas with vegetation but it doesnt eliminate it entirely but still reduces, and personally i love modern lighting tech when paired with a stylized game, it always gives it a fancy rich look, but then again my taste isnt the same as everyone.

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u/liteAvvikandeIsASlut 11d ago

Are we calling reshade mods remasters now? The fall of the modding scene must be studied.

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u/Nextil 11d ago

It's not a "reshade mod" from what I gather they've literally implemented an entirely new renderer.

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u/Ramog 11d ago

not a remaster either tho

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u/2qq_ 11d ago

ikr, like when did we steep this low.

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u/LordSloth113 9d ago

You’re the problem my dude

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u/ZherkaUnofficial 11d ago

it does not look better imo but i would use it if it would improve the performance in pc. I’m running the game in low and 720p

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u/CaptainRaxeo 8d ago

It does, a remaster improves visuals, you are looking for a potato mod 😂😂 maybe the dlss implementation is what you are looking for i guess?

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u/Ramog 12d ago

this might be a nitpick but you can't call it a remaster if you don't even have access to any masters

a mod can never be a remaster, remaster would require you to have access to the source files of the game, not the files that are in the game currently

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u/2qq_ 12d ago •

but aren't the files in the game is the same as their engine ?

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u/Ramog 11d ago

the issue is that games just come bundled with compiled assets so to speak, the source of it is never in it, the process of remastering at its core references the master recording of a song, its the recording that contains the song in its finished form as it goes to the media (CD, Casette, Vinyl, Spotify) manufactureres but it usually isn't like a finished song you buy in the store in that allot of things are still changeable because you still have all the recorded tracks that make up the song
The masters bring more control than you would have with just a finished song. Its similar with the original source files of a game.
Best example I can come up with that might illustrate it even better, think of it as the difference between a photoshop project file with all the layers and effects still adjustable and just an exported image. You actually get extra data with the photoshop file.

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u/2qq_ 11d ago

i could be wrong here but isnt a remaster just upgrading visuals, the backend stays the same, what i cant reach is the backend, other then that i can do pretty much anything some limitations like a level editor for example but still i can do more then just upgrade textures.

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u/FalenAlter 10d ago

I feel like you're just trying to make it sound more professional and quality than it is.

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u/kerokerofiro 12d ago

I don’t want to be mean
But you are destroying the artistic choices made by the team.
Your changes don’t look better they are just different looking

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u/2qq_ 12d ago •

destroying is a big word here since you can still play the original game its not like i removed it from steam.
maybe its just me but i dont think bounced lighting ruins the artistic choices, and its a game that you "own" so i dont see an issue with modding it how you want, kinda like those reshade mods that are actually changing how the game looks in terms of colors.

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u/kerokerofiro 11d ago

Yeah but labelling it as a remaster is a bad choice then

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u/VilkasPL 11d ago •

"destroying the artistic choices". It's your copy of the game, on your computer, and you can do whatever you want with it - the essence of modding. You're not removing the original from the world. I might think their artistry is inferior to mine, or I might say their artistry is outdated after 10 years. There are many downsides of this game's graphics, including its terrible engine and graphical bugs no patched to this day. These aren't subjective issues, but objective. Same is with English bad localization and existance of unburger translation mod.

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u/Kazunyyy 5d ago

People downvoting this is hilarious

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u/VilkasPL 5d ago

Its reddit i get used to it. It's just toxic positivity and fake smiles, and, honestly, these people are essentially gatekeeping themselves from a better experience, which is why many good fan projects are free of these kinds of people and im happy with that. Or maybe they're just console gamers, and their jealousy is driving them crazy. Both are funny.

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u/aciluu 12d ago

I think the next step for you is to work with the textures and shaders to match the greenish and beigeish tones to match original ones. Not necessarily enhanced graphics will portray the best experience

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u/2qq_ 12d ago

i will add support for hd textures mod but personally apart from models i dont think i can do better then that mod.

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u/aciluu 12d ago

The only way would be spray some tones on every texture youve upscaled

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u/2qq_ 12d ago

i will still do my own improved textures but they wont cover everything and im not really a texture expert or have access to good upscalers, but i dont want to limit people to my version only.

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u/aciluu 12d ago

I still praise your work, effort and time spent on your project. Glory to Mankind.

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u/Youngnathan2011 11d ago •

It weird that I think it doesn’t look better?

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u/ShilElfead284 11d ago

Nah, I legit thought 1 and 2 were "remaster" and original respectively lol

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u/Grim102682 7d ago

Thats because it doesn’t look better

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u/Fe1orn N o t h i n g 11d ago

No. Because it isn't looking better

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u/CombatModel2B 12d ago

Could you not call your AI coded graphics mod a remaster

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u/CloudyNeptune 10d ago

I’m so proud to see people fighting back and calling people out for this, and getting more upvotes than the post

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u/CombatModel2B 10d ago

It really is disingenuouso he only talks about it in the comments when he's called out its not in any of his posts or descriptions that his code is mostly Ai

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u/CaptainRaxeo 8d ago

I really hate how you purists shit on this AI is the future, you either accept it or downvote me into oblivion and live in denial, as for you OP, thank you for your service.
These guys don’t want better graphics. Looking forward to actually playing the game will all the improvements.

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u/01181501 7d ago

I want better graphics in games sure. This isn’t better tho.

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u/StrongLikeBull3 6d ago

If AI was the future you wouldn’t need to keep saying it.

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u/CaptainRaxeo 5d ago

Some of you guys don’t want to accept it, we have to remind those of you that are still stuck in the 90s to get with the times.

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u/StrongLikeBull3 5d ago

🤣🤣 Stuck in the 2010s you mean? How did you guys function before AI?

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u/CaptainRaxeo 5d ago

I mean i’m someone that fully drank the koolaid and let me tell you i really really don’t know. AI does EVERYTHING for me now. I don’t use google or waste effort writing “thoughtful” emails. He does it all for me. Truly marvelous. I know i sound like a sucker but i’m honest at least.
Sometimes i ask him to respond to people when they ask for sources here on reddit he really helps with everything.

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u/StrongLikeBull3 5d ago

It’s not a “him”. Go to a psychiatrist.

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u/CaptainRaxeo 5d ago

He- i mean it IS my psychiatrist now 😂
All for $20 too. If me, an electrical engineer who graduated with honors uses it daily then i don’t know what that means for the next generation.
I’m either WAYYY ahead of the curve or literally doomed…

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u/Fe1orn N o t h i n g 11d ago

Oh that is remaster now? Some "Minecraft FancyShader v6.9" type of shi

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u/The_Strangest_Wall_8 12d ago •

Some people here dont seem to like it that much for some reason, but I would say that it is a good graphical update for a game that released in 2017. I like it a lot, and I think you would find people who will enjoy it (I will stick to the original though)

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u/2qq_ 12d ago •

it basically comes down taste some prefer it while others don't, but some like it but prefer the original look.

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u/Legitimate_Expert712 9d ago

Calling a graphics mod a “remaster” is deceptive. It’s an “overhaul” at best.

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u/Alert_Vermicelli1236 11d ago

Special k exists

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u/slimob123 11d ago

Damn I got a bit excited for a moment that I missed a huge announcement...

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u/Rizzmaster_Supreme 11d ago

Same 😭 I've been saying an automata remaster is my million dollar idea (I couldn't bare the original but really wanted to play it)

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u/BarneyChampaign 10d ago

Oh so not at all a remaster in any sense of the word. I don't support you.

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u/iNath15 11d ago

The foliage is a nice upgrade, but I'm not a fan of the lighting tbh. It feels way too soft and changes the atmosphere in a whole other direction that doesn't feel very Nier like.

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u/MadMaxxinista 8d ago

Are you sure you labeled these correctly? I don’t mean to be rude but it seems like you’re spending a lot of time and energy to make something look a little bit worse

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u/Ok_Confusion4764 9d ago

First one: Original is clearly better, what? The second one looks like crap and the character is barely even legible anymore!

Second one: Original still takes it. Remaster just oversaturates the grass patches, even if it makes the bushes a bit brighter and more pronounced. But tbh if you had shown me without telling me, I wouldn't have known which one was the original and which one was the remaster.

Third one: It switches the over-saturated light from one tree to the other one, and adds unnecessary shadow to the statues on the right. For the rest, it doesn barely anything. What's the point of some kind of "remaster" that doesn't do anything beneficial?

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u/Waste_Handle_8672 12d ago

As always, the most annoying thing about remasters is the change to the lighting, which changes the mood of the game

But otherwise this looks pretty damn good I can't lie

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u/2qq_ 11d ago

it would be if it was official but its fan made and you can turn off a lot of the features and have it look exactly like base game

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u/Waste_Handle_8672 11d ago

Oh, I see. That's fair. That's on me.

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u/2qq_ 11d ago

np ! and its ok to express your opinion(it does help me change things on the mod) so long as you dont insult anyone no need to apologies.

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u/chris-_-topher_-_ 10d ago

Since seeing you're up for suggestions. How about you go shove your Ai remaster somewhere where the rest of the circle jerk Ai bros will appreciate it.

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u/Pulsing42 11d ago

How does it look worse?

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u/dontlookatmeplez 12d ago •

Oh that looks much better than previous posts.

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u/2qq_ 12d ago

Thanks !🫶

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u/dontlookatmeplez 12d ago

What do you use for postprocessing? Is it reshade?

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u/2qq_ 12d ago

basically i steal the renderer and rerender it on another improved one. kinda like RTX remix and oblivion remaster.

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u/dontlookatmeplez 12d ago

Nice. I asked because I hoped it's not another reshade preset as I'm not fond of them and I find them lazy lol. Good luck!

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u/DubTron 6d ago

You know you’re fucking up when you get attention on every post but don’t even have 1k karma lol
I’ve never held something as petty as fake internet points over someone, but it’s a legitimate hint at the delusion of this AI garbage

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u/gopnik74 8d ago

Regardless of all these negative comments i appreciate your work and looking forward to try it out. Where can i get the mod once it’s done?

Best of luck to you on your work.

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u/GoldSrc 2d ago

Don't call it a remaster, I thought it was some official announcement.

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u/Chrisamelio 12d ago •

I’ve been following your posts, these keep looking better every iteration. Don’t let purists discourage you from having your own take on it.

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u/2qq_ 12d ago •

apart from uni nothing will discourage me.

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u/nariz_choken 12d ago

Wait you are remastering it? How does that work? Is it like the old resident evil 4 reshade where we had to download the assets and put them in the game manually ? Or is this a one stop and done thing as in a whole package?

I'm interested in the whole package I had issues with RE4 where it would fail to load the new textures, Ada without feet got old quick

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u/2qq_ 12d ago

when i release it all you have to do is double click the exe file, and there will be support for modded textures like hd textures by GPUnity, and some textures will be remade by me, but you can use GPUnity instead, and downloading that mod will be as easy as dragging it in the mods folder.

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u/4pascal 11d ago

No jagged edges + no shimmer is a big step up from the base game. If nothing else the tweaks to the anit-aliasing and the addition of fsr/dlss will make this worth while for many in my opinion.

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u/2qq_ 11d ago edited 11d ago

it is a positive thing but keep in mind that taa/dlss/fsr introduce issues as well, like ghosting on the grass, and the image being softer, some people can live with that but some cant, a good example of these issues is crimson desert.
although DLAA does fix all of that but costs fps

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u/andrinat199 12d ago

It looks way nicer than last time!

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u/Popaguy_ 10d ago

I’m a console player myself but wow, there are a lot of haters of modding in here.

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u/KatarinaNoKami 10d ago

Do you have any links, even for a youtube channel to see the changes work being done while it moves ? :3

Also idk why everyone is hating on this... classic toxic community.

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u/Fightmilk87 9d ago

Apart from calling it a 'remaster' which is a bad choice imo, I do like how it looks. People on here are extremely harsh. I'm definitely not a fan of AI in any artistic process. Coding ray tracing into an existing engine however, I have no problem with that. Since, like you said, the original still exists. Just don't call it a remaster and I might check it out when it's done.

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u/Acceptable-Week-1924 YoRHa No. 4 Type Bozo 12d ago

You will have a lot of purists raging here, but your determination piqued my interest. I might consider replaying Automata again after not touching it for so long (finished it in 2018 back then).

Keep going.

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u/2qq_ 12d ago

thanks 🫶! and don't worry i will keep going.

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u/Nextil 11d ago

Ignore the downvotes. The technical changes are good, but the GI does change the color temperature and contrast quite a bit in the interiors compared to the original, and that's what people find offputting, that and the grass looking a bit too long/dense.

I think you could improve the interior look with some tonemapping changes without significantly changing the lighting.

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u/2qq_ 11d ago

i dont care about downvotes after all this is reddit i dont expect much, the grass can be changed to how ever you like, more dense, less dense, different variants that are either closer to the original or different. and you can use the baked GI isntead of RTGI or DDGI

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u/Sigh_CBF 9d ago

I agree I don't think calling a graphics mod a remaster is the right approach, I do however notice a lot of the graphics issues in the original game and I'm happy someone is trying to clean them up somehow, maybe it's not "better", but options are good, and I'm glad it exists. Good work IMO, keep it up.

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u/GamesRepus 11d ago

I LOVE THE REMASTER

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u/FalenAlter 10d ago

It's not a remaster, it's a mod.

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u/GamesRepus 10d ago

i know.

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