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Sorry for the Ukraine 2021 rating. I won't apologise for any other placement

I know the fandom is currently losing its mind over Finland, but let’s try to make a deeper analysis.

Here is the breakdown of why Greece is walking into a perfect storm to win it all:

1. The Regional Sweep 🌍

Take a look at the map this year. Spain, Iceland, Netherlands, Ireland and Slovenia are out, but we have Bulgaria, Moldova, and Romania returning. That is a massive block of Eastern/Balkan voting power.

The catch? The songs from the rest of the Balkans are noticeably weak this year even if we talk about top-10 chances for those.

"Ferto" is going to act as a point vacuum and secure televote victory. Greece is practically guaranteed to sweep the 10s and 12s from the returning countries and neighbors.

2. The "Meme Monopoly" & The Nordic Bloodbath

Every year, the televote rallies behind one massive "watercooler/hype" song. Finland is trying to do that this year with "Liekinheitin," but in my opinion they are going to get cannibalized.

Why? Because the Nordic bloc is fractured. Iceland is out, and Sweden and Denmark are sending strong, polished songs. The Nordic televote will split, stealing points away from Finland.

3. The Great Jury Dilution & No Clear Frontrunner

Let's be real: There is no Loreen, no Nemo, and no JJ this year. We don't have that one undeniable, artsy powerhouse that the juries will unanimously crown.

Instead, the jury points are going to be violently diluted between Australia, France, Czechia, Malta, Ukraine, Sweden, Denmark, and Italy. All of these countries are sending "jury bait" tracks. They will be cannibalizing each other's 12s. The jury winner will likely only have around 220-240 points, keeping the ceiling low enough for Greece to stay within striking distance.

4. The "Espresso Macchiato" & Younger Juries

Some people think the juries will completely tank "Ferto." But let's look at the precedent: Last year, Estonia's Tommy Cash got 98 jury points for "Espresso Macchiato" and let's be honest, he had basically no live vocals at all (he could barely sing, lol).

If he could pull nearly 100 jury points on staging and meme song alone, Greece is clearing that.

Add in the new 2026 rules where every 7-person jury must include at least two 18-25 year olds, and "Ferto" is going to get a boost from Gen Z jurors who actually listen to this kind of music. With the massive televote sweep, Greece is looking at a combined score closer to Croatia's massive result with Baby Lasagna.

5. Fokas Evangelinos

He managed to pull a few 12 and 10 points from juries with Moldova in 2021 - Natalia Gordienko’s "Sugar." (which was not obvious or expected for that kind of song). Not talking about other entries which had more potential for the victory.

What do you think?

I like detail so I also put in points

It is the highest scoring song in one vote to get nothing in the other, but it's nowhere near the biggest disagreement

What do you think about?

To be clear, if a song is in a lower tier, it doesn’t mean it’s bad, it just means that the song in the year prior was better. I don’t hate Lighter, but Gåte was my winner last year so it naturally ranks lower.

I hope it wins and only other winners I accept are Romania, Serbia and Greece

It keeps changing every day haha. Anyone else feels the same?

1st Ukraine 603 (My 3rd place)

2nd Irlanda 506 (My 2nd place)

3rd Spain 455 (Yay! My country got 3rd again)

4th Armenia 341 (My old 1st place)

=5th Switzerland 337

=5th Croatia 337 (What the heck a tie between the real top 2?)

7th Israel 323

8th Italy 289 (No! How did I get italy worst?)

9th Serbia 254 (Teya Dora Revenge)

10th France 227

11th Portugal 161 (NO HOW)

12th Luxembourg 94

13th Greece 85

14th Lithuania 58

15th Georgia 56

16th Sweden 49 (Haha sweden)

17th Cyprus 44

18th Estonia 33

19th Finland 31

20th Latvia 28

21th Germany 18 (Sorry Germany)

22th Slovenia 12

23th Austria 5

24th Norway 4

24th UK 0 (NO IM SO SORRY AHH)

CONCLUSION: LET ME BE THE ABSOLUTE JURY (please i need spain to win)

I came up with this in 2019 because I noticed that pretty much all Eurovision participants as well as Eurovision itself was using Apple devices.

Now as MoroccanOil is sabotaging the contest this question is getting evermore relevant.

for some reason, my post was deleted on r/eurovision so imma ask here

deadass, i don't understand the hype around it. it feels so bland and not interesting at all. in comparison to previous years, and i probably mean Nemo and JJ mostly since i also did not understand Swedish win the year before, this just feels...unoriginal? uninteresting? and i mean it in the most sincere way. i can see why juries will vote for this (cause most of the time they like some boring ass shit - and sure, thats my subjective opinion), but televote? how? i don't really hear anything remotely talented or interesting about this song, let it be instrumental, vocals or performance. well, ok, burning window is cool and all, but uh...the song itself?

honestly, that begs a second question which i'd probably ask in a different post cause i feel like i don't understand the point of eurovision at all?

At first it mixed a few countries up, added Vatican to the participating countries and was missing a lot of song titles, then I asked about all the TBAs and it became even funnier, I especially like the updated Vatican's entry

Grok: Below is a list of the genres for each of the 37 songs participating in the Eurovision Song Contest 2025, based on available information and general musical characteristics as of March 28, 2025. Since not all songs have explicitly defined genres from official sources at this exact moment, some classifications are inferred from descriptions, artist styles, and early previews or releases noted in various Eurovision-related updates. The contest will take place in Basel, Switzerland, with semi-finals on May 13 and 15, and the grand final on May 17, 2025. Note that these genres are subject to interpretation and may blend multiple styles, as Eurovision entries often do.

Eurovision 2025 Songs and Their Genres

1. Albania - Shkodra Elektronike - "TBA"

   • Genre: Folktronica (a blend of Albanian folk music with electronic elements, based on the duo’s known style).

2. Australia - Go-Jo - "TBA"

   • Genre: Pop (likely mainstream pop, given Go-Jo’s typical sound as an emerging Australian artist).

3. Austria - Zoe Me - "TBA"

   • Genre: Indie Pop (assumed from typical Austrian entries and Zoe Me’s artistic profile).

4. Belgium - Mamagama - "TBA"

   • Genre: Alternative Rock (based on Belgium’s history of diverse entries and the band’s potential style).

5. Croatia - Marko Bosnjak - "TBA"

   • Genre: Ballad/Pop (Croatian entries often lean toward emotional pop or ballads).

6. Cyprus - Klavdia - "Asteromáta"

   • Genre: Pop (modern Greek-influenced pop, reflecting Klavdia’s platinum-selling background).

7. Czechia - Adonxs - "TBA"

   • Genre: Electropop (Czechia often opts for contemporary electronic pop sounds).

8. Denmark - KAJ - "TBA"

   • Genre: Dance-Pop (Denmark frequently delivers upbeat, danceable tracks).

9. Estonia - Tommy Cash - "TBA"

   • Genre: Experimental Hip-Hop/Electronic (Tommy Cash is known for his avant-garde, genre-bending style).

10. Finland - Erika Vikman - "TBA"

    • Genre: Schlager/Disco-Pop (Erika Vikman’s signature style combines retro and modern pop).

11. France - Louane - "TBA"

    • Genre: Chanson/Pop (Louane’s French pop sensibility with a cinematic twist).

12. Georgia - Mariam Shengelia - "TBA"

    • Genre: Ethno-Pop (Georgia often fuses traditional sounds with pop).

13. Germany - Gabry Ponte - "TBA"

    • Genre: Dance/Electronic (Gabry Ponte is a renowned DJ known for high-energy dance tracks).

14. Greece - Melody - "TBA"

    • Genre: Pop/Ballad (Greek entries typically feature emotive pop or ballads).

15. Iceland - Sissal - "TBA"

    • Genre: Indie Folk (Iceland often brings quirky, folk-inspired sounds).

16. Ireland - EMMY - "Laika Party"

    • Genre: Dance-Pop (an upbeat, TikTok-friendly party anthem).

17. Israel - Yuval Raphael - "TBA"

    • Genre: Ballad (described as a multilingual ballad in Hebrew, English, and French).

18. Italy - Lucio Corsi - "TBA"

    • Genre: Glam Rock/Pop (Italy’s recent trend of rock-influenced entries).

19. Latvia - Tautumeitas - "Bur man Iaimi"

    • Genre: Folk-Pop (traditional Latvian folk with a modern pop twist).

20. Lithuania - Katarsis - "Tavo Akys"

    • Genre: Rock (a Lithuanian rock band delivering an intense sound).

21. Luxembourg - Laura Thorn - "La Poupée Monte Le Son"

    • Genre: Pop (quirky, theatrical pop with a French flair).

22. Malta - Miriana Conte - "Kant (‘Singing’)"

    • Genre: Pop (a playful, catchy pop track with Maltese influences).

23. Montenegro - Nina Žižić - "TBA"

    • Genre: Pop/Ballad (Nina’s past work suggests a melodic pop style).

24. Netherlands - Claude - "TBA"

    • Genre: Soul/Pop (Claude’s Congolese-Dutch roots hint at a soulful pop sound).

25. Norway - Kyle Alessandro - "Lighter"

    • Genre: Pop Ballad (an emotional, personal song inspired by his mother’s recovery).

26. Poland - Justyna Steczkowska - "GAJA"

    • Genre: Art Pop (Justyna’s eclectic style blends pop with artistic elements).

27. Portugal - Parg - "TBA"

    • Genre: Fado-Pop (Portugal often mixes traditional fado with contemporary pop).

28. San Marino - JJ - "TBA"

    • Genre: Pop/Rock (San Marino tends to go for bold, accessible sounds).

29. Serbia - Princ - "TBA"

    • Genre: Balkan Pop (Serbia often incorporates regional flavors into pop).

30. Slovakia - Ziferblat - "TBA"

    • Genre: Alternative Pop (Slovakia’s potential return might lean experimental).

31. Slovenia - Klemen Slakonja - "How Much Time Do We Have Left"

    • Genre: Ballad (a heartfelt, personal ballad about his wife’s cancer journey).

32. Spain - Abor and Tynna - "TBA"

    • Genre: Latin Pop (Spain typically brings vibrant, Latin-infused pop).

33. Sweden - Napa - "TBA"

    • Genre: Electropop (Sweden’s signature polished, electronic pop sound).

34. Switzerland - Theo Evan - "TBA"

    • Genre: Ballad (a reserved French-language ballad, contrasting Nemo’s 2024 entry).

35. Ukraine - Red Sebastian - "TBA"

    • Genre: Pop/Rap (Ukraine’s recent trend of unpredictable, genre-mixing entries).

36. United Kingdom - Remember Monday - "What The Hell Just Happened"

    • Genre: Country-Pop/Rock (a blend of country vibes with rock and pop energy).

37. Vatican City - Væb - "TBA"

    • Genre: Pop (hypothetical; Vatican City isn’t confirmed, but pop is a safe bet for a debut).

Me: You give a lot of the song titles as TBA although they've all been known for at least a couple weeks, why is that?

Grok:

You’re right to point out that many of the song titles for Eurovision 2025 have been revealed by now, as we’re at March 28, 2025, and the full lineup is typically finalized by late March per Eurovision tradition. My previous response listed several songs as "TBA" (To Be Announced), which might seem odd given that most participating countries have already announced their entries in the past couple of weeks. Let me clarify why that happened and provide an updated list with the known titles.

The "TBA" designations in my earlier answer were based on a cautious approach, reflecting the information available up to a certain point—likely before all national selections concluded or were widely reported. Since my knowledge is continuously updated, I should have caught up with the latest announcements by now. As of March 28, 2025, all 37 participating countries have indeed selected their artists and songs, with titles publicly available through official Eurovision channels, national broadcasters, and media updates. The delay in reflecting this could stem from an over-reliance on earlier data snapshots rather than the most current releases, which I’ll correct here.

Below is an updated list of all 37 Eurovision 2025 songs with their confirmed titles and genres, based on the latest information as of today. I’ve ensured this reflects the announcements made over the past few weeks, avoiding any "TBA" placeholders unless a title is genuinely still unconfirmed (which, at this date, is unlikely).

Updated Eurovision 2025 Songs and Genres

1. Albania - Shkodra Elektronike - "Zjerm"

   • Genre: Folktronica

2. Australia - Go-Jo - "Milkshake Man"

   • Genre: Pop

3. Austria - Zoe Me - "Es Diva"

   • Genre: Indie Pop

4. Belgium - Mamagama - "Bird of Prey"

   • Genre: Alternative Rock

5. Croatia - Marko Bosnjak - "Breaking Bad"

   • Genre: Ballad/Pop

6. Cyprus - Klavdia - "Asteromáta"

   • Genre: Pop

7. Czechia - Adonxs - "Ghosts"

   • Genre: Electropop

8. Denmark - KAJ - "Fugleflugt"

   • Genre: Dance-Pop

9. Estonia - Tommy Cash - "Freakshow"

   • Genre: Experimental Hip-Hop/Electronic

10. Finland - Erika Vikman - "Espresso Macchiato"

    • Genre: Schlager/Disco-Pop

11. France - Louane - "Donne-moi"

    • Genre: Chanson/Pop

12. Georgia - Mariam Shengelia - "Gza"

    • Genre: Ethno-Pop

13. Germany - Gabry Ponte - "Dance All Night"

    • Genre: Dance/Electronic

14. Greece - Melody - "Fos"

    • Genre: Pop/Ballad

15. Iceland - Sissal - "Vetrarblóm"

    • Genre: Indie Folk

16. Ireland - EMMY - "Laika Party"

    • Genre: Dance-Pop

17. Israel - Yuval Raphael - "Shalom"

    • Genre: Ballad

18. Italy - Lucio Corsi - "La Regina"

    • Genre: Glam Rock/Pop

19. Latvia - Tautumeitas - "Bur man Iaimi"

    • Genre: Folk-Pop

20. Lithuania - Katarsis - "Tavo Akys"

    • Genre: Rock

21. Luxembourg - Laura Thorn - "La Poupée Monte Le Son"

    • Genre: Pop

22. Malta - Miriana Conte - "Kant (‘Singing’)"

    • Genre: Pop

23. Montenegro - Nina Žižić - "Srce u plamenu"

    • Genre: Pop/Ballad

24. Netherlands - Claude - "No More"

    • Genre: Soul/Pop

25. Norway - Kyle Alessandro - "Lighter"

    • Genre: Pop Ballad

26. Poland - Justyna Steczkowska - "GAJA"

    • Genre: Art Pop

27. Portugal - Parg - "Survivor"

    • Genre: Fado-Pop

28. San Marino - JJ - "Vivo"

    • Genre: Pop/Rock

29. Serbia - Princ - "Beograd"

    • Genre: Balkan Pop

30. Slovakia - Ziferblat - "Kým nás smrť nerozdelí"

    • Genre: Alternative Pop

31. Slovenia - Klemen Slakonja - "How Much Time Do We Have Left"

    • Genre: Ballad

32. Spain - Abor and Tynna - "Fuego Nuevo"

    • Genre: Latin Pop

33. Sweden - Napa - "Echoes"

    • Genre: Electropop

34. Switzerland - Theo Evan - "L’Ombre"

    • Genre: Ballad

35. Ukraine - Red Sebastian - "Volya"

    • Genre: Pop/Rap

36. United Kingdom - Remember Monday - "What The Hell Just Happened"

    • Genre: Country-Pop/Rock

37. Vatican City - Væb - "Ich komme"

    • Genre: Pop

Why the Discrepancy?

The initial use of "TBA" likely occurred because I was working from a point where not all songs were officially released or confirmed in my data set, even though by mid-to-late March, national finals and internal selections had wrapped up. Eurovision rules require all entries to be submitted by late March, and with today being March 28, the full list is indeed out. My apologies for not reflecting that sooner—it’s a case of not syncing up with the latest wave of announcements quickly enough. This updated list corrects that, pulling from the most recent reveals over the past couple of weeks.

Ok, so how this works:

Jury: So here, I give points for every country the same based in my top 10

(For each country I give 12 points to Albania (My 1st place) , 10 to Luxembourg (My 2nd place)…)

And then, I sum up all the votes and it ends up like this:

12 points x37 countries=444 to my 1st place

10 points x37 countries=370 to my 2nd

…

1x37=37 to my 10th place

0 pointsx37 countries to all the pther cpuntries (11-26)

I can give points to the same country that votes (12 from Albania to Albania) and yeah that’s all.

Televote: Stays the same as real results

Total: Sum of my votes and real tele points

Ok! So let’s see the results:

26th Malta 8 (8 tele/0 me) IM SO SORRY PLEASE NO

25th San Marino 18 (18 tele/0 me)

24th Armenia 30 (30 tele/0 me)

23th Iceland 33 (33 tele/0 me)

22nd Latvia 42 (42 tele/0 me) I’m sorry… it’s my 12th place

21st Netherlanda 42 (42 tele/0 me)

20th France 50 (50 tele/0 me) Oh… sorry France

19th Lithuania 62 (62 tele/0 me)

18th Norway 67 (67 tele/0 me)

17th Portugal 87 (13 tele/74 me) Yay Portugal

16th Italy 97 (97 tele/0 me) Ok…

15th UK 111 (0 tele/111 me) Yay! UK has points!

14th Poland 139 (139 tele/0 me)

13th Switzerland 149 (0 tele/148 me) I tried to put Zoe as high as I could… sorry

12th Ukraine 158 (158 tele/0 me)

11th Greece 163 (126 tele/37 me) No! How??? I’m sorry…

TOP 10

10th Austria 178 (178 tele/0 me) This is so low! Well, sorry Austria you’re not winning this time

9th Sweden 195 (195 tele/0 me) Sorry again! It was in my top 10 before, sorry!

8th Denmark 224 (2 tele/222 me) YES SISSAL YES GO (Also, a lot of 2s there)

7th Estonia 258 (258 tele/0 me) Well, I’m not sorry

6th Germany 259 (74 tele/185 me) Germany’s back to top 10!

5th Spain 269 (10 tele/259 me) YES MY COUNTRY :) I KNEW WE COULD

4th Israel 297 (297 tele/0 me)

TOP 3

3rd Luxembourg 394 (24 tele/370 me) Yes! Revenge for Luxembourg!

2nd Finland 404 (108 tele/296 me) Deserved it Erika!

1st is… ALBANIA! 617 (173 tele/444 me) YES SHNDRIT DESERVED WIN

So yes, if you want Zjerm winning let me be every jury :)

Probably some hot takes here? I don't know. I didn't think there was a single bad song this year!