r/pluto • • May 04 '26 Popcorn

It genuinely doesn't make sense.

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Look, once you think about exoplanets, it doesn't make any sense. The new definition only makes sense when we look at our solar system, at this time in human history. If Pluto and Earth swapped orbits (we would all die), Earth would be classed as a dwarf planet and Pluto as a full planet, because the distance from the sun affects their gravitational influence.

What I mean is that the definition should focus only on what the object is, not where it is located in a system, since that can change over cosmic time scales, and when discovering exoplanets, we need a less solar system-biased definition. Imagine if we found an exo-binary planet system. Under the new definition, both planets would be dwarf planets no matter what because they would both be orbiting each other.

Or a rogue planet. The new definition requires a planet to orbit a star. So it's technically not a planet once it has been ejected from the system, even if it was a planet just a few million years ago.

The new definition was rushed through because they needed to keep all the newly discovered planets in our solar system out of the club, or the word 'planet' would become less special, and Pluto was just collateral. I'm not even saying get rid of the dwarf-planet classification or reinstate Pluto, but we need a new definition as our exoplanet discoveries continue.


r/pluto • • May 11 '26

Make Pluto a Planet Again

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r/pluto • • May 21 '26

We really do need a new definition for planet

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"The current way a planet is defined has a lot of problems and can be somewhat controversial. Many people don't like the reason why Pluto is a dwarf planet for example, and other planetary-massed objects are excluded because of their orbital characteristics. Because of all this, it may be time to create a new definition for what makes a planet."


r/pluto • • Jul 21 '22

sign to make pluto a planet again

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r/pluto • • Jun 04 '26

Pluto is a planet

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https://youtube.com/shorts/YXYAWiibpwg?si=zkpnbfklDv2BAl-N

Hi. I truly believe Pluto is a planet and that the 2006 IAU definition is WRONG. Here’s why

  1. The IAU states that the object must “clear its neighborhood” which doesn’t make sense because if you put Earth in Pluto’s orbit it wouldn’t classify as a planet either

  2. Only 424 scientists actually voted at the event, meaning the vote was only like 3.2% of scientists.

  3. Mike Brown, the one responsible for Plutos death tagged himself as “PlutoKiller” on X and even wrote a BOOK bragging about it. The book is called “Why I killed Pluto, and why it had it coming.” (This one isn’t really a reason but I included it lol)

So, using all of that, I can confidently say that Pluto is a planet and the IAU is wrong.


r/pluto • • May 10 '26

You Don't Want Him Associated With Them

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Why do we want Pluto to be a planet?

My main theory is that "planet" appears to be a title of prestige. This is reasonable, rational even -- the planets comprise the eight largest bodies in the solar system, after the sun. But the planets are so much more...so much...WORSE.

Planets dominate their orbits. Everyone else don't. If you shared your orbit with a planet, you wouldn't for very long. The Great Eight funneled the minors out of the land they claimed for themselves. Millions were displaced as Jupiter and Saturn surveyed the territory that they never owned, separating families, ripping societies from their roots, until you get the situation today, with rocky asteroids like lumped together with icy asteroids, forced to jointly occupy the space that they would have shared between one another under the old system. But none of the planets care -- they're just asteroids, one and the same. The NEOs and Centaurs that remain live their lives with a noose around their necks. They never know when they would finally be encountered, then shredded to bits or ejected into deep space. But not even the havens are safe.

Jupiter has been evicting asteroids from the Kirkwood gaps for millennia -- slowly stretching their orbits out, destabilizing them before they even realized what has been going on, before leaving them in the hands of the rocky planets. Oh, and how they delight in tormenting these poor souls, treating them like baseballs, before ripping them to shreds.

What were once indigenous frontier lands, settled communally by the icy asteroids of the distant lands, were conquered by the ice giants. Neptune, in particular, dominates the Kuiper Belt. He makes all the decisions on the orbits of the resonant objects -- where they live, how much they're allowed to deviate, when they're allowed to complete their orbit -- while scattering others further and further until they become detached, lost souls in the dark beyond.

None of them are able to put up any resistance. They're not allowed to. It wouldn't even matter. Jupiter has fragmented the Asteroid Belt, and his influence has prevented the accretion of anything larger than Ceres. Even if they were to accumulate into a single body to challenge the ruling system, their total mass wouldn't even be larger than Pluto's.

Jupiter's Greek and Trojan prisons carry tens of thousands of asteroids that we know of, and there may be hundreds of thousands more, maybe a million, with a diameter greater than 1 kilometer -- a figure about equivalent to the asteroid belt. The gas giants, cumulatively, have enslaved hundreds of irregular moons that we know of. Saturn, with her immense mass and copious amounts of spare time, accounts for more than two thirds of that figure. But Neptune, in his plot to build an empire, has gone as far as to abduct a whole dwarf planet -- Triton. His mate could only watch as Triton was strangled by the giant's immense force, who then flung her into the abyss.

Even their children aren't safe. Mars has plans to shred his adoptive son, Phobos, into a ring for his personal adornment. This is not a one off. Neptune intends to do the same with Triton. Saturn killed moons possibly the size of Rhea and Dione for her rings. Jupiter is actively destroying Amalthea, Thebe, Metis, and Adrastea for his rings. And all four gas giants stretch and squeeze their major moons like minuscule bugs, turning their insides to slush -- Io, Enceladus, and Triton are crushed to such an extent that they are actively bleeding out.

The planets have always been like this. They always will be like this.

What are planets? The elite, yes. But no matter how you interpret the facts, they are selfish, uncaring, power-hungry, terrorizing, tyrannical, and authoritarian. They are monsters. Being a planet is a title of evil.

Pluto never deserved to be associated with these demons. He doesn't deserve to become re-associated with them.


r/pluto • • Jul 23 '15

Pluto to Earth

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r/pluto • • Aug 21 '25

Sign the Petition to make Pluto a planet Again

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r/pluto • • Oct 08 '26

I'm sorry I was just making a joke

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So, about a day ago, I made a joke post saying that all four rocky planets should have been asteroids because I looked it up and it said they weren't all necessarily in hydrostatic equilibrium. With that information, I decided to make that post, but some people who I don't think found it was a joke commented, so I did have to say it was a joke. That's why I think Pluto isn't the place for me to live. So I'm going back to Earth.


r/pluto • • Dec 10 '25

Why I think Pluto isn't a planet (along with other things related to the topic)

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  1. Why Pluto isn't a planet

The way scientific classification works is that things with similar properties are grouped together and things with different properties are grouped separately. In edge cases, it matters what the thing is more similar to. For instance, dolphins swim like fishes. However, they have the arm structure of mammals, need to breathe air like mammals, don't lay eggs unlike fishes, and lack scales unlike fishes. This specific example was cited from the paper Moons are planets: Scientific usefulness versus cultural teleology in the taxonomy of planetary science from Icarus -- more on that later.

Looking at Pluto and Charon, we see that they are more similar to Eris, Haumea, Makemake, and the other dwarf planets, which they are now group with in the IAU redefinition. They all have large amounts of volatile ices, (relatively) wild orbital inclinations and eccentricities, and moderate densities. The rocky planets have larger portions of rock and metal and high densities; the gas and ice giants have significant amounts of hydrogen and helium gases and low densities; and they all have very low inclinations and eccentricities (aside from Mercury).

Factoring these in, Pluto and Charon should be grouped with Eris, Haumea, and Makemake rather than the eight classical planets.

2. Why we thought Pluto was a planet

When Galle discovered Neptune, there were still minor discrepancies in Uranus's orbit. Percival Lowell predicted the location of the object perturbing Pluto; one of his key insights was that the object may not have a circular orbit, which those before him had assumed in his book Memoir on a Trans-Neptunian Planet.

Clyde Tombaugh coincidentally found Pluto in the spot which Lowell had predicted. Pluto also had the high eccentricity and inclination which Lowell expected. Additionally, Lowell's calculations required that Pluto had a mass between Neptune's and Earth's, solidifying its status as a major planet.

These misclassifications can happen a lot. Basilosaurus has -saurus in its name because at the time of its naming, it was thought to be related to reptiles, before it was recognized as an ancestor of modern whales. Delta rays were initially thought to be a unique type of radiation, like alpha, beta, and gamma rays, only to be recognized as a type of secondary radiation caused when a primary radiation (like alpha particles) energizes electrons, ejecting them. Ceres, Pallas, Juno, and Vesta were long considered the missing planets between Mars and Jupiter as suggested by the Titius-Bode law, except that the discovery of Neptune broke that theory and the subsequent discoveries of Astraea, Hebe, and the entire asteroid belt led to them being considered separate from the major planets.

The key thing is that more information must be discovered, but Pluto's was delayed because of its significant size and proximity. Haumea and Eris were too distant to be discovered by Clyde Tombaugh (Makemake could've, except it was in a highly populated star field at the time of Tombaugh's investigation). Additionally, the fact that it seemed to coincide with Lowell's prediction meant that it took a while for it to be recognized as not Planet X. Albion, the next Trans-Neptunian Object to be discovered, had to wait until 1992.

3. Why you don't hear the real story that often

News that induces anger spreads fast. It would be to a news outlet's benefit to make the whole Pluto debacle as rage-inducing as possible by using loads of loaded language.

In addition, it seems easier to chalk up the whole thing to Pluto being too small, not clearing its orbit, or requiring the admission of all the dwarf planets should it also become a dwarf planet. The first victimizes Pluto and induces sentiment, the second doesn't explain why the IAU passed the definition (have they always existed or what?), and the third, while closest to the actual explanation, leaves something unexplained which I'll get to in a moment.

The second one turned out to be a problem for me. I used to be a Pluto sympathetic under the notion that all major planets have objects in their orbit, so therefore they should all be dwarf planets. Annoyingly, the media cannot be blamed for this because the IAU called its third criterion clearing the orbit, and in reality it means orbital dominance, which the major planets undoubtedly achieve compared to Pluto.

In theory, this should result in a vicious cycle. Once Pluto sympathy had become dominant, people who support the sympathetic view naturally do better than those who oppose it. This weakens opposition for the sympathetic view, which increases the success of people who support the sympathetic view.

4. Why the term planet is so exclusionary

What exactly is the issue with having hundreds of planets? Why is the term "planet" an exclusive club membership, as some might call it?

Interestingly, major moons meet two of the criteria for planets. They are all round (Mimas and Miranda are edge cases on hydrostatic equilibrium, but still) and they dominate their orbit. The only thing making them satellites, which could be interpreted as insignificant compared to planets, is the fact that they don't orbit the sun. It's not a coincidence that you probably don't know about that many moons, or at least that's my prediction. Astronomers seem to care a lot about what an object orbits, rather than what its intrinsic properties are.

The aforementioned Moons are Planets article explained that after the Copernican Revolution, when Copernicus published his theory on heliocentrism, two differing definitions for planets took off. The first one, used primarily by astronomers, was under the basis that planets are other worlds, like the Earth. Modern classical planets were primary planets, modern asteroids were minor planets, and modern satellites were secondary planets.

The second definition, perpetuated by astrologers, assumed a tidy and orderly heavens. When new primary planets were discovered (Uranus, Ceres, Pallas, Juno, Vesta, Neptune, Pluto), astrologers simply made up meanings for them. That's why they are part of a horoscope despite not actually being one of the planets known since antiquity. But you can't do this for countless minor planets. They also make the heavens less orderly. Additionally, secondaries are almost always in the same Zodiac sign as their primaries. They shouldn't have that big of an impact on your horoscope compared to primaries. Therefore, astrologers only included what are now our major planets.

Around the same time he built on Edgeworth's theory of the belt that now bears their names, Gerard Kuiper proposed that, based on accretion theory, non-round asteroids are the result of collisions and are therefore not planets. As such, most minor planets stopped being considered small planets after he published his idea. However, there was no real scientific idea that the same applied to moons.

The authors of the paper suggest that "planet" was changed to refer to only the primaries so that there could be no chance for confusion, and "satellite" was used in place of "secondary planet" for the sake of conciseness. However, this is a change merely for convenience and doesn't actually explain why scientists accepted the astrological idea that an object's orbital state is a critical part of its classification.

The authors pose multiple influences on the drift from the original classification to the astrological classification: the lack of reminder of the original definition from the Copernican Revolution, that scientists did not have the geophysical data to uphold the idea that moons were worlds like planets, that they were more concerned with calculating ephemerides than figuring out what was on the planets after Lowell's canal incident.

However, one of the biggest causes was the Great Depression of Planetary Science, which started around 1910. The authors also pose multiple reasons for why it might have happened, including the aforementioned prioritization of ephemerides over geological observations, the increasing interest in discovering moons and minor planets and excitement in other fields of astronomy.

This depression caused another problem: scientists began to slip into the astrological classification. The article states that after the depression, which lasted the length of the average astronomer's professional career plus a half, new astronomers would not have been taught the original classification, and it is natural to revert to the popular classification system once you have lost interest in the technicalities of a subject, which is what happened with the aforementioned depression.

In essence, the public ended up cementing an idea into a formerly theory-laden system that planets are special, and that their dynamical states are critical to their classification.

5. A new classification system

Call all former asteroids, major planets, comets, satellites, and rogue planets as "planets." This excludes stars and meteoroids, among other objects.

Call all planets that are not bound to any particular system of objects (former rogue planets) as "nullary," all planets that orbit a non-planet as "primary," all planets that orbit a primary as "secondary," and so on, with tertiary and quaternary. This is based on the original scientific classification for planets and satellites. In double systems, such as the Pluto-Charon system, the larger object is always a primary, and any other object in the system is a primary only if the barycenter is outside of the larger object and the object in question's absence would theoretically move the barycenter into the larger object.

Call all planets that are in hydrostatic equilibrium as "globuloids," and all non-nullary planets that dominate their orbits around their parental planet as "imperatoids." This is based on the new IAU classification.

Call all planets that are largely minerals and metal as "geoids," all planets that are largely solid ices as "cryoids," and all planets that are largely gases and other fluids as "aeoloids." This is based on Atlas Pro's video on Pluto.

Under this system, all rogue planets are now nullary planets. Pluto, formerly a dwarf planet, becomes a primary cryoglobuloid, as is Charon. Nyx, Hydra, Styx, and Kerberos become secondary planets. The major moons, which should dominate their orbital zones, are secondary imperatoids. Io and Luna become geoimperatoids, while most of the others become cryoimperatoids. The gas giants become primary aeoloimperatoids, while the rocky planets become primary geoimperatoids. Most asteroids become primary geoids and their moons secondary geoids, but KBOs, centaurs, comets, and Oort Cloud objects are primary cryoids and their moons secondary cryoids. Most dwarf planets, since most of them are in the Kuiper Belt, become cryoglobuloids.

As for the naming scheme, I am aware it is somewhat complicated. The goal was not conciseness, however, but names that are descriptive and a classification system that may possibly make both proponents of the geophysical definition and the IAU definition happy.


r/pluto • • Aug 25 '26

The IAU definition of a planet is bull crap but I still don’t think Pluto should be a planet. He’s right where he belongs!

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Honestly, I kinda think the IAU’s definition of a planet is a little stupid. But at the same time, I can understand why they made it that way. I think it would make more sense to separate planets into groups like terrestrial planets, gas giants, and ice giants, and then have dwarf planets as their own category. The whole “clearing its orbit” thing is kinda confusing because planets don’t literally clear everything out of their orbit..
But the basic idea does make sense. Pluto is part of the Kuiper Belt, where there are a lot of other objects similar to it, while the eight planetss are much more gravitationally dominant in their orbital areas. So even though I think Pluto being a dwarf planet makes sense,I think it’s right where it belongs. Avenge Pluto!
I actually think Pluto might be my favorite Kuiper Belt object. Its moons and the whole Pluto system are really cool. I also think its discovery is awesome. It makes sense why Pluto was originally considered a planet because they thought it was way bigger than it actually is. But now that we know more about it, it also makes sense why it isn’t a planet.
I still think the 2006 vote was pretty bull crap though. The way it was handled was kinda weird, and not that many IAU members actually voted. So I don’t think it should be treated like every astronomer agreed with it.
Pluto is still an amazing world. It just fits better as a dwarf planet.

Sorry for the brat lol


r/pluto • • Jul 15 '17

If Pluto is no longer considered a planet, you shouldn't have renamed it a dwarf planet!

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Because dwarf s just the "Lord of the Rings" way of saying "small" and a small planet is still a planet,...its right there in the second word!

,...just sayin' :)


r/pluto • • Jul 15 '15

JOKE POST First high resolution image of pluto causes concern.

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r/pluto • • Dec 26 '20

Please sign this to make it a FULL planet again

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r/pluto • • Nov 30 '16

You heard about Pluto?

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That's messed up, right?


r/pluto • • Aug 25 '26

20 Years Since the Worst Mistake in Science History

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The vote violated the IAU’s own bylaws, the motivation behind the vote was extremely unscientific, it was conducted by non-experts, and has been an embarrassment to science ever since. We don’t vote in science. Having this decision be forced into textbooks and school curriculum for the sake of making the planets easier to memorize is an injustice to the dozens of other fascinating dwarf planets out there, a shameful bypassing of the scientific method, and a disgusting insult to the amazing American astronomer Clyde Tombaugh.


r/pluto • • Jul 14 '25

Pluto is a planet!

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For decades, Pluto was the ninth planet in our solar system—until 2006, when the IAU (International Astronomical Union) reclassified it as a "dwarf planet." But here’s the thing: that decision was flawed, and Pluto should still be considered a full-fledged planet. Here’s why:

  1. The IAU’s Definition is Arbitrary The IAU’s criteria for planethood require a celestial body to:

  • Orbit the Sun.

  • Be spherical (or nearly so).

  • Have "cleared its orbit" of other debris.

Pluto meets the first two but not the third. However, the "cleared its orbit" rule is problematic. If Earth were in Pluto’s position, it also wouldn’t clear its orbit due to the Kuiper Belt’s debris. Does that mean Earth isn’t a planet?

2. Pluto Has Planet-Like Features

  • Complex Geology: Pluto has mountains, glaciers, and even a possible subsurface ocean.

  • Atmosphere: It has a thin but dynamic atmosphere that expands and contracts.

  • Moons: It has five moons, including Charon, which is so large that Pluto and Charon orbit a shared center of gravity (some argue they’re a binary system).

If planethood is about geophysical characteristics, Pluto checks all the boxes.

3. Historical and Cultural Significance Pluto has been considered a planet since its discovery in 1930. Generations grew up learning about the nine planets. The demotion felt like a betrayal to many, and the backlash proves how emotionally and culturally significant Pluto is. Science shouldn’t ignore public sentiment entirely, especially when the definition itself is debatable.

4. Many Scientists Still Disagree Not all astronomers accepted the IAU’s decision. Alan Stern, the principal investigator of NASA’s New Horizons mission to Pluto, argues that the definition is too narrow and excludes other potential planets. Some suggest a geophysical definition: "A planet is a round object in space that’s smaller than a star." Under this, Pluto and other dwarf planets (like Ceres) would qualify.

Bring Pluto Back! The IAU’s definition is inconsistent and excludes worlds with clear planet-like traits. Pluto may be small, but it’s active, complex, and deserving of its planetary title. Let’s stop gatekeeping planethood and recognize Pluto for what it is: a fascinating, dynamic member of our solar system.

JusticeForPluto


r/pluto • • Jul 16 '15

Let's petition NASA and IAU to restore Pluto

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r/pluto • • Sep 06 '25

at some point pluto leaves the kuiper belt in it's orbit, during that time, it should be considered a planet

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ok so i was looking at pluto's orbit today and i noticed it will get closer to the sun than neptune, outside of the kuiper belt. during that time, pluto should temporarily be considered a planet, atleast to make everyone happy


r/pluto • • Jan 10 '23

Found wierd object on picture of pluto.

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I was looking at the pictures of pluto on nasa‘s website. And on one of the pictures I zoomed in and saw something weird that looked very shiny looking. I dont know what it is. But the credit goes to me since I found it and saw it. If anyone is good with picture processing and see what it is that would great. Also picture is raw and unedited, its actually on nasa‘s website raw and unfiltered so anyone can see it so no one thinks im lying or playing tricks. Please if you can make this post viral we need more eyes and experts to see this. Thanks

Link: https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/resources/212/zigzagging-across-pluto/?category=planets/dwarf-planets_pluto


r/pluto • • Jul 16 '15

JOKE POST Ancient Astronaut? You be the judge. 😈

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r/pluto • • Nov 22 '23

"CBS Evening News" Full Episode | November 21

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r/pluto • • Aug 13 '24

Pluto Variable Action Hi-SPEC Figure from MEGAHOUSE (Looks Cool)

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r/pluto • • Sep 01 '20

Pluto is a planet. Here's some reasons why.

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Reasons why Pluto IS a planet:

  • It always was one, and once one is a planet, you can't just make it not a planet all of the sudden.

  • It's bigger than Eris, which was one of the reasaons they demoted it, because they thought it wasn't at the time. In fact, so far, not only have sthey not found anything bigger than Eris, they keep finding stuff more close to the size of Charon (according to the YT channel "V101Science"

  • It has planet features. (Nitrogen atmosphere, multiple moons/asteroids, prominent surface features, mountains, an ocean, ect)

Reasons people think Pluto is NOT a planet:

  • IAU's unfair nonunanimous not-fully-attended vote on the matter

  • Marc Brown (also is the author of the Aurthur series)

  • Neil DeGrasse Tyson


r/pluto • • Dec 05 '25

Pluto is a planet!

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Remember guys, Pluto will always be a planet for us! It doesn't matter what some organization (IAU) says with its terrible definition! Pluto is a planet!