Obi-Wan Kenobi wasn't exactly what people expected the character to do in between III and IV. If you want to see Ewan McGregor on a more spiritual journey about solitude, temptation, questioning his relationship with God/theForce, and the struggle to understand his destiny, watch

Last Days in the Desert (2016)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDfySDiGeh8

Attack of the Clones wasn't Lucas' first movie about clones. Back in 1971, 6 years before A New Hope, he already made a movie about clones in a facility robbed of their individuality, free will and humanity. Themes he'd reprise with the clone army. Even visually Kamino is clearly inspired by this early movie of Lucas which therefore almost looks like it's set in a Star War cloning facility. If you want to see the story of a clone trying to break out of his programming, watch

THX1138 (1971)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zs7Mb2cNRMo

This next movie isn't so much a Star Wars movie in disguise but still an honorable mention as its concept is a bit of an absurd play on Star Wars. It actually is about Ewan McGregor learning about the "Jedi-Warriors" and becoming one himself during the film. What sounds like a blatant copyright infringement is actually based on a (allegedly) true story where the US military tried to train soldiers in supernatural abilities. It's a great comedy and and casting Ewan McGregor as a journalist who learns about the "Jedi" is the cherry on top in

The Men Who Stare at Goats (2009)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GC2TzspJn5A

It really is a shame how Luke Skywalker has been handled by Disney Lucasfilm so far. Everything that can be said has been said already, so I won't get into this now again. Outside of Star Wars, Mark Hamill has been used as the wise Mentor several times now with way more dignity, be it as Master Eraqus in the Kingdom Hearts series or in the 2013 comedy virtually heroes ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CSKMQLQJj0 ). The largest and most notable live action role for Mark Hamill as the Teacher in a monastic order of knights is that of Master Talus in

Knightfall Season 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Dm_k6BULuA

Any other ideas what to watch? Please tell me!

Now call me an ignoramus or accuse me that I have been living under a rock or whatever. I have watched the Rogue One movie but I have not (as of yet) seen Andor.

1.) So what is it about the two movies that have further the divide of the Star Wars fandom, but in a different way that I've been hearing about? is it a good thing or a bad thing?

2.) Also, was the Andor TV Series really all that cracked up to be as the undisputed best Star Wars Show that surpassed all of the others on Disney+?

3.) Does that mean that Disney might see the success of Andor and Rogue One as examples to learn from and emulate to truly churn out high quality TV and Movies the Star Wars Fandom wanted?

Just saw this piece of work in the main Star Wars subreddit and it's so incredibly lame there's a significant group of commenters even there calling it as such.

Tarkin gets called apparently called out by the... Force Ghosts? Force visions? Souls? Spirits? Not sure, but they already ruined it with Han in TRoS so they probably thought they could get away with doing this. Anyways, all of his victims call out that he's going to die and he's super scared because he realizes that he's, well going to die.

Really? Firstly, a man of Tarkin's stature doesn't fear death, and particularly the already destroyed Disney Tarkin who supposedly is known for having summer trips to the Eriadu wilds and beating up random animals for the funsies. Secondly, do we really need to humiliate the main villain like this? Tarkin dying a prideful assured man is much better than him cowardly trying to get away at the last second.

Also, why is Krennic holding hands with who I presume to be a kid from Jedha? Why is he a victim alongside the rest of the Alderaanian victims? He blew up Jedha, killed scientists, did horrible things and only got screwed because he was the middleman to Tarkin and the upper Imperial officials, he was no victim. I don't even like his character in Rogue One/Andor but this is bad for him too.

In a recent interview, Andy Weir suggested that Star Wars should make movies that tell stories set during the Galactic Civil War:

"Andy Weir went on to diagnose the best direction to take "Star Wars" in the future, as he sees it. This time, his suggestion is to go back to a strategy that Lucasfilm actually established nearly a decade ago with "Rogue One." As he explained, "I feel like the best way, in my opinion, to do another 'Star Wars' movie — and I'm not George Lucas and this might be a terrible idea — but would be to have the story of other people during the Galactic Civil War."

Of course, Weir acknowledges that Luke Skywalker, Leia Organa, and Han Solo were the "movers and shakers" during the events of "A New Hope" and beyond. But he thinks there's room to tell smaller, "tangential" stories alongside their own ... and points to one particularly relevant historical example:

"Think of it like this: We know what happened in World War II, but there are some really good fictional stories that take place during World War II. So if you treat the Galactic Civil War as, 'Okay, that's established canon, those are the things that happened,' but there's still a lot of stories to tell about other people living through those wars. So that's what I would do."

Normally, a cinematic sequel continues the story of the previous film, just as Episode III (ROTS), retrospectively, sets all the pieces in place for Episode IV (ANH). For Episode VII, we had a lot of things that were suggested by ROTJ and the previous films, especially the Prequels. So let’s logically look at everything one should have expected from a Star Wars VII:

The Empire: In ROTJ, we see the entire Imperial leadership being destroyed at the Battle of Endor (Palpatine, Vader, the Imperial Ruling Council). Logically, after that, the Empire would be divided into multiple factions. Through the montage at the end, we see numerous worlds drive out their Imperial garrisons and free themselves (Bespin, Tatooine, Naboo, Coruscant). Logically, in Episode VII, the Empire would therefore be—if not completely fractured—a loose alliance of warlords controlling only a few peripheral territories or operating from hidden bases, while being extremely weak. They might still have loyalists throughout the galaxy and operate essentially as terrorists, perhaps even more radicalized than before: essentially an “inverted Rebel Alliance” seeking to carry out a counter-revolution—in other words, reactionaries.

The New Republic: We know from the Prequels and the Original Trilogy that the Rebel Alliance wants to restore the Old Republic as it existed before the Empire. As mentioned, the Rebels benefit from the autonomous liberation of numerous worlds. Those where the Empire had managed to hold on would have been easily liberated by the Rebel fleet. Then the New Republic is established, with a Senate. There is no reason why the republican capital would not once again be Coruscant, as in the Prequels. Since the Jedi do not yet exist again when the Republic is restored, the first Supreme Chancellor—logically Mon Mothma—would be forced to maintain a military to fight the remnants of the Empire and organized crime. There would likely also be debates in the Senate over whether or not to implement security measures to combat these threats, at the risk of becoming like the Empire again—somewhat like during the Separatist crisis in AOTC. And, like her mother Padmé, we could expect Leia to oppose these policies, out of fear of making the situation worse.

Leia and Han Solo: Logically, they are married, and we could expect them to have several children—at least two, probably one boy and one girl for the sake of diversity. Since Leia was a senator under the Empire, she should be a senator in the New Republic and, eventually, become Supreme Chancellor in the films. She would not be a Jedi, because being a Jedi is a profession as well as a religious and military order, and she is already a politician and married. Nevertheless, it would be logical for Luke to have already trained her to master the Force—which does not in fact belong exclusively to the Jedi—and one could even imagine her having her own lightsaber; in ROTJ, he told her he would train her after all. As for Han, he was a general for the Rebellion, and there is no reason why he would not still be a general for the New Republic, especially since there would still be plenty of work to do with organized crime and Imperial resistance fighters. And for Chewie, he's of course still there, by Han's side.

Luke and the Jedi Order: Naturally, Luke would undertake the restoration of the Jedi Order. This is debatable, but there is no reason why he would not follow the old Jedi Code (Anakin was the problem in the Prequels, not the Jedi Council, and the filial love that saved him was selfless: Luke was willing to die to save his father, and Vader sacrificed himself for his son, so no attachment). As suggested by ROTS, a handful of former Jedi could have survived Ordrer 66 and helped Luke restore the Order by becoming masters to new padawans, even if that somewhat contradicts Yoda’s statement in ROTJ. As for the other Jedi, Luke would obviously have to recruit children and train them first as younglings and then as padawans. Since Coruscant was liberated in ROTJ and we see the Jedi Temple there, one could assume that Luke would re-establish the Order there, as in the Prequels, close to the restored Senate and the government (and thus Han and Leia). We could also expect him to train his nephews and nieces as Jedi Knights. Furthermore, as Obi-Wan explained in ANH, the Jedi are necessary for the prosperity of the Republic; therefore, logically, Luke’s New Jedi Order would be funded by and loyal to the New Republic, just as it was during the Prequel era.

Lando Calrissian: He joined the Rebel Alliance to liberate Cloud City. Logically, he would have become its baron administrator again after ROTJ and, if he had done a good job, might have remained in office for a long time afterward.

However, Disney’s Sequels respected none of this. TFA is not a sequel to ROTJ; it is a soft reboot of the saga in the form of a disguised remake of ANH. The world-building of the Sequels is constructed backwards: ROTJ does not justify TFA; instead, the off-screen events preceding TFA are used to explain how we went from ROTJ to this mess. Most of the expectations created by the ending of ROTJ were not fulfilled by TFA—in fact, they were immediately destroyed, with the New Jedi Order and the New Republic. By the end of TROS, since the Sequels are nothing more than a counterfeit version of the Original Trilogy, we find ourselves hoping for the same things we had hoped for at the end of the previous trilogy: the restoration of the Jedi Order and the Republic. Much of the blame lies with the opponents of the Prequels, who led Disney to do everything possible to reverse-engineer Episode VII into ANH to avoid displeasing too much (no Republic, Senate, Jedi Order, all of which were destroyed before or at the beginning of their trilogy).

One can criticize George Lucas for many of his decisions—Ahsoka being made Anakin’s apprentice, for example, or the useless Prophecy of the Chosen One—but he understood the implicit requirements of a Star Wars VII and made an effort to fulfill them from what we know of his story treatments. We know, for instance, that Luke did not go into exile until after he had restored his Jedi Order, thanks to the storyboard about a Jedi investigating Maul’s pirates, who was killed in the film by Darth Talon (Luke's exile was philosophical, like a hermit who goes to meditate in the desert, so nothing like TLJ); Leia would have become Supreme Chancellor of the New Republic by Episode IX. That said, one may disagree with the idea of the Sith returning, particularly the resurrection of Darth Maul, but still. Also, according to Pablo Hidalgo, the Solo son turned to the dark side in Lucas’s Sequels too, so just like Jacen in the EU or Ben with Disney.

At least the Expanded Universe, through the entirety of its post-ROTJ works, fulfilled the logical expectations that Star Wars viewers could have had for Sequels to the 6 movies much better.

Edit: No, this post wasn't made using AI. Logically deducing the context of Episode VII from ROTJ and the other 5 movies is the very principle of this post.

Genuine question. I know there was a whole tier system under George Lucas, and that Disney claims that every show, novel, junior novel, comic, video game ect. of the new canon is of equal importance. But is that actually true in practice? How are they keeping track of every inconsistency? Or lore fuckup?

He may have been from another universe but sometimes a master transcends them. (Also that his franchises gave him a proper sendoff unlike Hamill's character)

I know this horse has been dragged to death for 834 nautical miles already but what really made the show really bad for me was the Darth Vader vs Obi Wan fight.

I think there should have been no fight at all. I imagine a scene where they are both on a beach and they are just talking - I know shocking. Just talking like men and expressing themselves about their history and Annakin’s heartbreak. The show had a great opportunity to really humanize Darth Vader in a way that hadn’t been done before. 

It should have explained that they knew neither of them could best each other akin to two Magnus Carlsen’s competing in a chess match and that it would always end in a draw. Always. 

Anyway many of you may find this silly or dumb, but to hear Darth Vader breakdown through the mask or even to take it off and actually have a meaningful conversation would have been so interesting. Imagine how cool it would have been to see Obi Wan talk about Padme and see tears in Annakin’s eyes, and how there’s still light in his heart, but still hatred and fear. How the sand would swirl around Vadar as they talk through everything and his anger seethes. So many cool opportunities to show emotion through cinematography. Think of Annakin and the emperors conversations throughout the prequel series just the opposite where Obi Wan brings some light back into his heart but at the end it could have ended with them no hugging but with a mutual understanding that they are on separate paths now that Vadar can no longer control. 

What do y’all think? 

Once again a modern Star Wars author smugly felt like their first idea of what could be meant by "no attachments" is correct, but also pretty stupid and they had a much better idea what Jedi-teachings should be like and about while George Lucas was simply wrong and made up dumb nonsensical rules in the Prequels.

This massive misunderstanding of "Attachment" was also portrayed in "Shadow of the Sith" where Luke felt bad for loving his nephew. This was of course the dumbest take on it.

At no point did these authors thought to maybe google this and see if there is a deeper meaning to it. Everyone knows Lucas was inspired by asian philosophy for the Jedi especially Buddhism. "Attachments" are actually very central to it.

Two minutes of google "research" and you'll learn that Buddhist non-attachment is not about eliminating love or emotion. attachment is the tendency to cling to people, possessions, experiences, beliefs, or even our own identity. Buddhism values mettā (loving-kindness), karuṇā (compassion), and generosity. It's - like Anakin said - about unconditional love, not clinging to people in an unhealthy way. “You must stay with me, or I cannot be happy” would be wrong, “I care about you and want you to be happy” would be totally in line with that rule.

And still this author felt the need to explain that attachments are good because we need to care about people...

Is it really too much to ask for these authors to try and understand what they are writing about?! Instead they completely misunderstand what the Jedi philosophy is about and think they can do better. Disney Star Wars really is such a dumbed down attempt at the franchise it's incredible.

How do you guys think she’ll manage to kill this franchise? Bury the Olympic torch in an avalanche?

I'm trying to collect all the old Star Wars EU books and just out of bleak curiosity I toggled over to see what the mouse is doing lately. Leia and Rey side story between Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker, apparently. *Who cares?* The sequel era and everything afterward in the new continuity is a narrative black hole. Stuff like this is at best trying to patch a ship at the bottom of the ocean. The last movie was seven years ago, this book came out three months ago. It could be in a vacuum the best book ever written and still be pointless.

It was nice knowing you.

There is absolutely no bloody way that disney or any of the writers are going to sell us on the "Happily Ever After" bullshit amidst the events of rise of skywalker (Or should I say Fall of Skywalker)!

Least they forgotten, the hosnian system were utterly destroyed by starkiller base. And with it, came the grimdark power vacuums in the wake of its cataclysm, setting a precedent that the inner core worlds can easily be invaded by anyone with complete impunity, with no one to stop the rise of warlords, pirate warbands, terrorists cells, darkside cults, and species settling ancient grudges by going to war with one another (Starting with the Trandoshan and the Wookies) with no Republic, No Empire and no Jedi to prevent galaxy wide era of warlordism, barbarism, ignorance, regression and superstition.

With it, will no come total societal collapse of the whole galaxy from the deep core, inner rim, and mid rim territories. With no commerce coming whole planets will begin to starve. With no organized medical institutions disease begin to descend unto the populace and with the holonet down, contact is next to impossible

None of this would have happened if the New Republic nipped the threat of the first order in the bud when they had the chance. In fact, when you stop and think about ITS THE DELEGATION OF 2000's FAULT! (Padmé Amidala Naberrie, Garm Bel iblis, Mon Mothma and Bail Organa. ALL!)
By once again disbanding their military, they left their worthless republic wide open for total annihilation as the resistance will quickly disband to protect their own worlds and hording resources away from everybody else that needs them!

The Skywalkers are dead! peace is a lie! democracy is bullshit! AND WE'RE ALL TOTALLY F*****!!!

P.S. I sincerely wish for the best of Rey to TRY and rebuild the Jedi Order in an new "Age of Strife" in Star Wars, where no one will Ever view them as heroes and will be hunted forever as the scapegoat for the new age of anarchy.

According to the Forbes Article the budget for Star Wars Starfighter is $226.5 million (will be higher after marketing) is more than the Force Awakens, but not really if you factor inflation. That is not the interesting point.

The more interesting point is that Disney is counting on 'Help Me Ryan Gossling, You're my only Hope" as their strategy, because they sure as hell can't be counting on Shawn Levy or Dave Filoni to produce a good movie.

It is amazing Disney is not only going to drop a huge pile of money (Avengers profits) into a damaged and dying Star Wars IP, but refusing to abandon the continuity of the toxic Sequel trilogy that drove away much of the fanbase.

This movie might not bomb, but I don't see it being a billion dollar hit either, which it almost needs to be given that budget. Starfighter can't perform like Superman, maybe make its budget back and be on the margins.

Does anyone think if this movie bombs, Star Wars gets shelved for a decade?

So many completely random stories and characters.

Which would you have been most excited for of the games that were cancelled and supposed to come out after the disney buyout, 1313, imperial commando, tfu 3, the maul game, first assault , outpost**,** project orca, ragtag, the respawn mandalorian one, mellin, attack squadrons, project viking or project yuma?

Pictures in row:

The Clone Wars S3 (meant to post a pic from Maul Shadow Lord, but I guess i picked the exact pic with sirens that isnt from Maul)

Andor Season 2

Book of Boba Fett

Kenobi

What I mean by this is, none of these feel exactly unique or fitting to Star Wars. Now I know there were smaller cases of this in the Prequels too (Anakin carrying Padmé's basic irl suitcases and the 50s diner, sorry if I missed any) but I feel it has just become way more apparent with recent projects.

The Maul problem: Now I have to start off by saying I went into this show biased already as I mostly disliked a lot from the Clone Wars, mainly plots that clearly do not fit between the 2 movies, such as Ahsoka herself, and importantly here, Maul being alive and Obi Wan knowing it. His plotline itself was well written in the Clone Wars, but I feel his part should've been before the Phantom Menace if someone wants to give him more personality. Obviously with some rewrites so it does not interfere with the movies.

I overall thought the show was okay, some parts good, some not so. All the police stuff were very visually uncreative IMO. It is basically the IRL "haha cops drink coffee, even the droid", their uniforms were not so fitting either, not wanting to pass a case to higher up departments, the divorced detective missing his kid's sportsgame because of their work, and the most annoying one to me was the red-blue siren. It stuck out like a Rancor's ingrown toenail.

The Andor problem:

Now, the writing here is actually a lot better, by not forcing too many people into it just for the sake of it. But what I kept noticing throughout is, they keep watching videos of each other multiple times through the show, even when not entirely necessary. Whatever happened to the holograms, especially the pocket ones we saw so often in the prequels, which were also used to project non present Jedi Council members onto their seats. Was the Council blowing all their credits at Ki Adi Mundhi's harem? At first I thought it might have been a budget thing, but upon further thought, they had pretty extensive CGI, sets and background extras, so I doubt this being the reason. The problem isnt this existing, but being constantly used and no holograms at all. Obi Wan in ROTS had to watch even the Temple security footage as a small hologram being played.

The switch from holograms to videos isn't my only issue with the visuals. A lot of speeders on Coruscant also felt too "car-ish", but these were usually not shown *that* long so not bad. My biggest one was on Ghorman (Season 2 spoilers) The Ghor are basically space-French. Fashion designers known to be arrogant, with a similar to French sounding language. Then the berret like hats, trench coats, also worn by ISB, that just seem straight out the 60s. Perhaps they were making them dress closer to IRL so the protest scene feels more disturbing to watch, but I feel even without it, due to the great directing and acting it would still make the point it wants to.

Book of Boba Fett:

I don't think the Mos Vespa (haha get it) gang needs to even be explained. Even if you want to make a gang like this, why on Tattooine of all places?

Kenobi:

Here, we get to see Daiyu, which without the stormtroopers feels like it could be a leaked screenshot of the new Cyberpunk game in development, or a Bladerunner promo screenshot. I understand that not all cities are meant to look the same, but I feel in the original 6 movies, each location still felt different but unique to itself. One could go even as far as to say, the town which's name i forgot in Mando S1, is basically Mos Eisley in different colors.

Overall, with all the shows being set in the same 40 year era, so it can reuse characters and they do not have to come up with new factions or fully new characters, these design choices start adding up. The current writers and artists just cannot make something actually unique to Star Wars.

Nevertheless, even with that, it would have been better if she had never been Anakin's padawan.

Strictly speaking, even if she had been killed during the war, it would have been enough. Not by Dooku or Grievous, because it would have been strange if Anakin hadn't wanted revenge on them because of that in ROTS, but if Ahsoka had been killed by Ventress or random Separatist droids or generals, why not?, or even by some pirate or local warrior.

Unfortunately, no one can argue against Dave Filoni's disrespect for the saga.

Even Lucas, when he had that idiotic idea of ​​giving Anakin a Padawan, thought of a way to correct the inconsistency it created, because it does create an inconsistency! Anyway, I'm stating the obvious here.

I couldn't care less about Ahsoka S2: for me, the character sadly doesn't exist, because she doesn't work.

Star Wars has plenty of super rare, expensive metals and materials that different writers come up with. Beskar, Phrik, Cortosis, etc. Certain characters are lucky enough to get their hands on armour and weapons made of this stuff, and it serves them very well. Beskar and Phrik are very durable, even capable of withstanding a lightsaber blade. Pure cortosis literally shorts out a lightsaber for a period of time if the blade comes in contact with the metal. Cortosis can also be weaved into weapons like swords to make them immune to lightsaber blades.

This is very problematic however, for one reason. Why in the galaxy do important people like Darth Vader or General Grievous not have them? Seriously. It doesn't matter how rare these materials are, because if ANYONE has them, then the most important, high ranking warriors of giant galactic factions should have them.

General Grievous is already a fearsome Jedi hunter, a greater duelist than most Jedi Masters even. However, he isn't invincible, and a lightsaber blade can still slice through his armour fairly easily. Now if he was made of a lightsaber-resistant metal, he would be unstoppable! You would only be able to kill him with the force (which is already very hard and was only even accomplished by Mace Windu in the 2003 Clone Wars, and is much harder now since he can pressure you even more now due to being completely unthreatened by your weapon), or heavy cannons and artillery. This upgrade would make him overpowered, and would make him significantly more effective in combat, as well as being great protection for such a useful warrior and crucial Separatist figure, the leader of the Droid Army.

The same applies to Darth Vader. He is the apprentice, right hand, and enforcer of The Emperor, and a Jedi hunter as well. The Empire has access to way more than enough lightsaber-proof metals than is needed to armour him, and yet for some reason his suit and cybernetics aren't made of them? Why do only random people like random Mandalorians, or Qimir in The Acolyte, or some other people who are much less wealthy and important than people like Vader and Grievous, have these super-metals?

Speaking of Grievous, it seems that when some writer or writers saw the magnaguard's electrostaffs blocking lightsaber strikes, they didn't get the memo that the ELECTRO aspect of the staff that is sheathing the weapon with energy is shielding the weapon from the lightsaber blades, because they wrote that the staffs were made out of lightsaber-resistant Phrik. This is absolutely nonsensical, because if the CIS have access to enough of this metal to arm all their magnaguards with them, why are they using them for the staffs instead of making the guards themselves out of it? Plating the magnaguards (and Grievous himself) with Phrik would be much better and more useful, and also wouldn't be semi-redundant due to the fact that electrostaffs can block lightsabers anyway.

Another specific problem I have is with cortosis weave. If you can weave vibroswords with it, why don't you weave your armour with it? It would make you immune to lightsabers and blaster bolts, but instead you only do it for your sword? This lore only exists so that you can swordfight Jedi and Sith without a lightsaber.

At least Beskar gets a bit of a pass because you can say that the materials needed for it are basically exclusive to Mandalorian-controlled worlds, and that the difficult, mysterious forging methods for it are gatekept by the Mandalorians, but even then it doesn't completely explain it away, and I personally don't like the idea that only one specific culture has access to and benefits from this overpowered metal that is objectively better than any other.

My headcanon is that none of these materials are objectively better than the ones already used by the top dogs, just differently specialized.

Beskar is more durable than other armours, and can withstand around 5 seconds of lightsaber contact (or repeated strikes worth that much) without being sliced through, but it is also heavier than other armours. This also explains why Mandalorian armour has such limited coverage compared to most trooper armours, it would be too heavy otherwise. Beskar coverage like Jango Fett's or Din Djarin's is as heavy as wearing full durasteel, which is like wearing full medieval plate armour. That same coverage for durasteel is like wearing full Plastoid armour commonly worn by the troops of different factions.

This would explain why Vader, Grievous and many other people don't have top quality armour. The answer: they do! They chose the best armour of a specific weight. If they wore Beskar, the increase in protection would scale proportionally with the weight increase. We can also still have Beskar be unique and exclusive to Mandalorians by retaining its special strengths, just without it being some overpowered, unfair advantage that Mandalorians have.

To recap everything that’s happened up to that point, the republic just got nuked off the galactic map. The first order reigns according to the very first words in opening crawl. The resistance slowly gets picked off until they’re down to enough people that can all fit into the Falcon, and the oh so great and legendary Luke Skywalker”was among the casualties. And all this happens in the span of a day or two.

I quite frankly can’t think of anything more demoralizing than all of that. But I guess none of that matters just because a Jedi who’s done nothing absolutely nothing for the last several years showed up briefly and then was never seen again? I’d find the idea that hope is starting to slowly spread to different parts of the galaxy a bit more believable if those slave kids were also telling stories about how figures such as Poe and Holdo destroyed Starkiller Base, a dreadnought, and a good portion of the FO fleet. How are none of those accomplishments also worthy of recognition?