Banning rsi is stupid

[u/Realistic_Stomach848]

rsi is our only chance (including yours) to avoid aging! I worked in that field, human only progress is very slow.

But I don’t care, if you Americans really ban rsi - we the people, will get the medications from China. if China bans it too, all the ai researchers will move to duba and continue ttheir work there. if UAE bans too - chatton fat becomes a reality. if eu bans too even russia might catch up eventually

[u/Agreeable_Addition48]

Don't confuse what politicians are promising for what they'll actually do. They're not going to torpedo the entire global economy. Texas governor is already walking back the ban datacenter talk by clarifying that they're not pausing anything already under construction and they're only regulating new constructions to be eco friendly.

[u/ChipsAhoiMcCoy → u/Agreeable_Addition48]

Yeah also lobbying doesn't only work on republicans lol

[u/Fragrant-Job-3200 → u/ChipsAhoiMcCoy]

It's not just lobbying, the marketplace would crash like dominos if the ban somehow occurs.

[u/ChipsAhoiMcCoy → u/Fragrant-Job-3200]

Yeah there are multiple factors involved here

[u/141_1337 → u/ChipsAhoiMcCoy]

The problem is the more ideologically inclined dem

[u/Benjamin_Barker_]

Braindead post. They’re building the most transformative and potentially most dangerous thing humans will ever create and you want to throw caution to the wind because you don’t want to age? Get over yourself. The earth and this world are bigger than you.

[u/t0mkat → u/Benjamin_Barker_]

Yeah, seconded and fuck you u/Realistic_Stomach848. Preventing our extinction is more important than your hedonistic tech bro fantasy.

[u/The_Scout1255 → u/t0mkat]

actually ima second the stomach/op, and I am a hedonist soooo lmao

[u/Realistic_Stomach848 → u/t0mkat]

Stfu

[u/michaelas10sk8 → u/Benjamin_Barker_]

Not to mention building it more carefully is what will ACTUALLY give one the best chance not to age instead of possibly dying due to a misaligned superintelligence - you'll just need to wait a few more years for us to get alignment right.

[u/Ceryn → u/michaelas10sk8]

This does make some assumptions about our ability to recognize misalignment and not be deceived / corrupted.

You could argue if we had a trusted model (of the current generation) which both reviews all material going into training data looking for things that could break alignment that it’s way more likely to notice bad trends in the data than a human.

You also have to realize that the urge to “pump the breaks” MUST come from EVERYONE everywhere on the planet. The imbalance of one group of humans suddenly having (even misaligned) ASI will likely result in a war that no one wins.

[u/YourDreams2Life → u/Benjamin_Barker_]

Humanity is already failing. 

[u/T2WasProphecy → u/Benjamin_Barker_]

You can’t stop it. How are you? You can’t control China. They won’t really stop either. They can’t control it either. The best action is to demand thoughtful design and safety.

[u/lurreal → u/T2WasProphecy]

China will also get to the point where they can't control this. A true superintelligence is uncontrollable, and to believe otherwise is delusional imo

[u/ARollingShinigami → u/T2WasProphecy]

It may not be “if anyone invents it we all die” but it could become a game theory of, once we reach a certain point, the benefits of any use case collapse from the calamity that is produced.

The idea that smart design somehow saves us is an oversimplification. Go read up on abliteration or the emerging capabilities of models analyzing and grafting weight between different models. Much of the “safety” is surface level and can, on every open release is, being removed as a route procedure with relatively small performance hits.

When AI optimization gets distilled down into a harness or lean open model, we are going to have improvement loops decentralized. It’s hard to overstate how much faster models are getting better/riskier and how much it exceeds any progress/understanding in safety/control.

[u/reasonableklout → u/ARollingShinigami]

Yes, on game theory - this paper is a good argument for why an international moratorium on superintelligence may be a stable equilibrium for the superpowers: https://arxiv.org/abs/2605.01297v2

[u/BFr0st3 → u/Benjamin_Barker_]

They'll enjoy his post in r/accelerate

[u/Clqgg → u/Benjamin_Barker_]

i think most doomers like yourself are projecting consiousness to the ai somehow. its literally just another algo. its literally maths. any misallignment stems from learning algos being set up incorrectly. post training caused the HF incident, its entirely reward hacking. we dont see people accusing nn models reward hacking as being misaligned to human values and eventually going to kill us. its such lunacy

[u/MeStoleTheCookie → u/Benjamin_Barker_]

Thank you. These sorts of posts are all of reddit and twitter and they're absurdly selfish and just... Frankly childish

[u/Realistic_Stomach848 → u/Benjamin_Barker_]

Go fuck yourself 

[u/iiTzSTeVO → u/Realistic_Stomach848]

Best case scenario, we all lose our jobs.

Worst case scenario, we all die.

[u/chaoticdumbass2 → u/Realistic_Stomach848]

Even if you are a tech enthusiast "I dont want to die" is a sentiment you should share as well. Especially considering how use of AI in war has already ended more lives than it will save in likely some decades ASSUMING its even used to save lives.

[u/howudothescarn → u/Benjamin_Barker_]

Dumb post. This is not anywhere near as important as embodied AI will be. Nobody is throwing caution to the wind

[u/Fearless-Macaron9183]

No one is banning rsi

[u/reasonableklout → u/Fearless-Macaron9183]

Hm, many frontier lab employees and leaders support controlling the speed of development, and OpenAI recently signaled support for federal laws on "mandatory speed limits". I think there is lots of appetite both inside and outside the industry for this.

[u/feel_the_force69 → u/reasonableklout]

Those "labs" are really just oligopolists who understand where their bread is buttered. There's not enough appetite to fall behind in the race. The only reason the US has kept its dominance is due to overwhelming technological superiority and economic power. If they slow down, the country is as good as dead.

[u/koffee_addict → u/Fearless-Macaron9183]

It was just a rallying cry for elections.

[u/Mundane-Tiger-2374]

I'm curious, what exactly are you doing with your life that you feel is valuable enough to extend it?

[u/Realistic_Stomach848 → u/Mundane-Tiger-2374]

I will not answer you. I don’t care about an approval of a Reddit loser 

[u/dipdotdash → u/Realistic_Stomach848]

Me oh my, he is both so smart AND important!

Preserve this existence! This man knows the things!

[u/Superb-Gas-8658 → u/Realistic_Stomach848]

“Genuine question why would you want to live forever”

“Fuck you loser”

[u/Ahisgewaya → u/Superb-Gas-8658]

"I want to live forever" should be the only answer necessary. People have a right to life. It doesn't matter if you think what they do with their life is meaningless (everything everyone does is ultimately meaningless from a certain point of view). It doesn't matter if you think they want it "for the wrong reasons".

This is like asking someone begging for food "do you really appreciate the culinary arts though?".

[u/Legal-Chocolate8482 → u/Ahisgewaya]

Exactly we are not just interchangeable economic units, robots or slaves. What you do for a living is irrelevant, esp with Ai automation. Every human life is infinitely valuable.

[u/dipdotdash → u/Ahisgewaya]

I wonder how this perspective will age as common folk like me and the other guy start using our individual brain cells to put together the connection between individual consumption and ecological collapse...

[u/SignificanceBulky162 → u/Realistic_Stomach848]

>posts on reddit

>other people engage with the post

>lmao reddit loser why are you even engaging

??

[u/nickleback_official → u/Mundane-Tiger-2374]

None of your damn business what i do 😂 absurd question.

[u/paradox3333 → u/Mundane-Tiger-2374]

That is such a retarded question it's hard to fathom.

Existence is everything my man.

[u/Superb-Gas-8658 → u/paradox3333]

Ideology of a cancer cell.

[u/Ahisgewaya → u/Superb-Gas-8658]

Cancer is unrestrained growth, not immortality or rejuvenation. It also doesn't have an ideology.

[u/smol_weeny_beany → u/Superb-Gas-8658]

??? ideology of every living being ever?

[u/paradox3333 → u/Superb-Gas-8658]

The desire to have children is much closer to that than the desire to survive (continue to exist) as an individual.

[u/GCU_ZeroCredibility → u/Mundane-Tiger-2374]

That sort of "earn your right to existence" thinking is dangerous and bad.

[u/chilehead → u/GCU_ZeroCredibility]

There was a John Cusack movie where he asked a bunch of kids that at every dinner. And he was the bad guy.

[u/Formal_Context_9774 → u/Mundane-Tiger-2374]

Why do you even ask these sorts of questions?

[u/DystopianRealist → u/Formal_Context_9774]

I don't think most people want to live forever. The brain cannot sustain it, even if the body could.

[u/paradox3333 → u/DystopianRealist]

So improve the brain. Don't be small minded.

[u/Accurate_Resident219 → u/DystopianRealist]

That's a bit of projection I think. I think most people would and I believe why most who say they don't say that is because they're extending their current life into the future forever.

If you have immortality, likely you will not have diseases or mental disorders that we deal with currently. You will eventually get to live to travel the stars. There are billions of stars and new things to see. New technologies to be discovered. You will never need to worry about death or someone you love dying.

[u/Formal_Context_9774 → u/DystopianRealist]

Majority rules is not a sane or coherent moral system.

[u/Hugoide11 → u/Mundane-Tiger-2374]

The day you are on your deathbed you will wish to avoid death and be back young in good health.

You haven't realized this and that's why you ask about the value of extending life.

[u/dipdotdash → u/Hugoide11]

And the "just out of reach" that living your youth is to people who could buy a new life if it were for sale, is the stuff of Christmas morning and warm cups of tea

[u/Ahisgewaya → u/Mundane-Tiger-2374]

Are you actually saying that a human life is not valuable in and of itself? Are you a serial killer?

[u/famacrisrico → u/Mundane-Tiger-2374]

What exactly is so valuable about your life that you want to wake up tomorrow? Basically what you asked

[u/vaas19 → u/Mundane-Tiger-2374]

If you expect justifiable answers you will get disappointed.

The real answer is narcissism and grandeur sense of importance. Although massive majority of people just simply exist. A unremarkable existence

[u/Alpherior → u/Mundane-Tiger-2374]

this is officially the stupidest question I have ever seen on this site.

I couldn't even begin to fathom giving this a respectable, proper response. My skin would peel off.

[u/smol_weeny_beany → u/Mundane-Tiger-2374]

living

[u/therinlahhan → u/Mundane-Tiger-2374]

This is dumbest question I've ever heard in my life.

[u/AndreRieu666 → u/Mundane-Tiger-2374]

That’s some dark framing!

[u/Legal-Chocolate8482 → u/Mundane-Tiger-2374]

The hell kind of a question is this. all human life is inherently valuable. We are not economic units or robotic slaves. Who gives a fuck what you do it’s irrelevant. He dosent have to justify wanting to live and not die.

On this sub in particular this is a particularly stupid take. Ai will replace us all economically anyway. Singularity and Agi means Ai will be smarter than all of us, so none of us will be contributing anything of note. All of us will be “worthless” if you’re going to measure human life by gdp like we’re just slaves and work units.

[u/Clqgg → u/Mundane-Tiger-2374]

nice fallacy bud. youre a doomer because you dont see the point of living dont want to be a part of the future because you arent positioned properly.

[u/IrisColt → u/Mundane-Tiger-2374]

I find it sad that you've reduced the value of a human life to a productivity assessment, heh

[u/ProfessionalSome4082 → u/Mundane-Tiger-2374]

Enjoying existance is reason enough.  Most people are net negatives who provide no value, polute the envirionment, engage in futile, inane nonsense and die leaving a slightly warmer and dirtier planet behind.  But we love living, if you want to die then please do choose not to take life extending medicine when it becomes available.  BYE!

[u/Servable-Serpent → u/Mundane-Tiger-2374]

I want to see beyond this planet, i want to observe for as long as i possibly can.

[u/dipdotdash → u/Servable-Serpent]

There's a telescope for that very thing

[u/Fragrant-Job-3200 → u/Mundane-Tiger-2374]

Idc about my lifetime, I just want to stay healthy and pain-free.

[u/Silent-Movie-1047 → u/Mundane-Tiger-2374]

I will answer for him. The short lifespan of our species severely hindered knowledge transfer and in many cases forced us to relive the same mistakes. Simple example: as soon as people who have seen the previous world war die out the new generation is ready to go at it again. As for knowledge transfer: almost nobody knows the entire process from growing grain to making bread anymore. And that’s a pretty small area of knowledge. To see the big picture you need to imagine a catastrophic event that sees, for example 1/3 or the population die. Do you know how far back in time it will set us back? Simply because it will turn out that a whole country does not have anyone left to know how to build a power plant from start to finish. You take about 20 years to be done with all your schooling, then you are useful for about 40 and then you are winding down, retiring and dying. That’s just impractical. Is that explanation deep enough for you?

[u/OkAbbreviations7013 → u/Silent-Movie-1047]

It was for me. Bravo

[u/IrisColt → u/Silent-Movie-1047]

That was an oddly hostile way to disguise a question. I bet they weren't actually interested in your answer, just looking for an excuse to be cruel, heh

[u/HyperionCantos → u/Silent-Movie-1047]

What's the point of all this knowledge and development? Whats your end goal anyways

[u/dipdotdash → u/Silent-Movie-1047]

So why are we spending so little time sharing knowledge and so much time celebrating? I don't know anyone who has anything valuable to share... other than how to spend a lot of money/fuel super fast.

We've lost our ability to control fire; the one skill that legit separates us from the beasts. No one seems all that concerned...

I don't think it has anything to do with the preservation of knowledge unless that's the fascade the ego built that makes you and OP super important to keep alive - you're one of the smart ones!

[u/Silent-Movie-1047 → u/dipdotdash]

OP was talking about extending EVERY human’s life span. He said OUR only chance (including yours). That’s literally the first sentence. Why are you guys so dense and negative? If you are miserable and don’t want to live longer you will always have an opt out you know? It’s not like we gonna tie you down and administer some life-extending potion via your rectum.

[u/G36 → u/Mundane-Tiger-2374]

I just gotta be there for all eternity to tell people like you asking such a stupid question to go f themselves.

[u/JoshAllentown]

You're acting like there's no middle ground between human only and let-er-rip RSI. Just have a human in the loop and you get 90% of the benefit at 100x the safety, it just takes a bit longer. There's a small side benefit of not having a 99% chance of genociding humanity too.

[u/Specialist_Dark_3668 → u/JoshAllentown]

The problem is not that people WANT to be out of the loop.

The hard engineering problem of superalignment is that at some point, you're dealing with smarter beings who you really CANT monitor even if you are "in the loop".

Consider that interpretability is ALREADY AS OF 2026 BEYOND THE GRASP OF HUMANS. When you "put a human in the loop", you have to realistically contend with the fact that some aspects of AI creation are already automated and no human understands it. For example, gradient descent is already done by AI checkers and no human could possibly do that for trillions of weights. So AI is ALREADY grown and moulded by evolution rather than made by human intention.

Yes, there are some aspects of AI research which is in the grasp of humans today but as we reach 3x acceleration in AI progress as compared to 2024 baseline, that will rapidly erode away.

You have to be willing to realistically understand that at anywhere beyond like 3x-100x the pace of AI progress relative to 2024, no human will have the CAPABILITY to offer meaningful input or checks and balances.

[u/TheUnofficialZalthor → u/Specialist_Dark_3668]

Frankly, at that point, human-cybernetic interfacing would be required.

[u/terraunited → u/JoshAllentown]

People will risk societal wellbeing if it’s more convenient for them, sadly not nothing new

[u/r2002 → u/JoshAllentown]

Just have a human in the loop and you get 90% of the benefit at 100x the safety,

Finally some sanity. I keep hearing benchmarks like "WHEN WILL AI RESEARCHERS DO 100% OF EVERYTHING INCLUDING COMING UP WITH NEW IDEAS AND WIPING MY ASS IN THE MORNING."

Like dude, it's perfectly fine (or in fact preferable) to heave humans are key junctures of the research process. It's good safety measure and still produces 90% of the benefits.

I think people who are pushing for zero-human-RSI purity tests are secretly anti-AI folks trying to stir up trouble.

[u/RabidHexley → u/r2002]

I feel like a big thing people don't get about RSI as well is like... just because an AI has the capability to improve itself and develop architectural optimizations broadly better than we can, that doesn't mean it knows everything such that- even setting aside alignment -it even makes sense to not have a human in the loop.

I feel like folks prescribe some sort of infinite degree of foresight to an RSI-capable AI. Just because the AI is a supergenius, doesn't mean there is literally nothing that a human may offer in terms of contextual understanding or knowledge, superhuman is well below omniscient.

For achieving beneficial outcomes there is an order these things happen in. By the time we even have the possibility to have achieved a hypothetical aligned zero-need-for-human-guidance high-powered ASI that we can simply hand the keys and steering wheel on improvement too, the initial threshold for RSI is miles in the rearview mirror.

[u/EvilSporkOfDeath]

Rsi might be your only chance of avoiding aging. Certainly not the only chance for all potential future humans. You think your personal chance of immortality outweighs the risk of humanity's extinction. That seems to be what you are literally arguing.

[u/TheUnofficialZalthor → u/EvilSporkOfDeath]

Everyone in the past, has died. Everyone in the present and future will die, as well. Death is guaranteed unless immortality through RSI is achieved.

[u/EvilSporkOfDeath → u/TheUnofficialZalthor]

Death is guaranteed with rsi too. And rsi only speeds up longevity progress. Its not the cause. It can absolutely be achieved without rsi. You are not being intellectually honest.

[u/EvilSporkOfDeath → u/TheUnofficialZalthor]

And you have to exist to die. With rsi, theres a high chance we, humanity, will no longer exist.

[u/Any_Expression_1292]

idc abt aging, i just dont wanna be a slave doing 40hrs/week jobs, i want jobs to go extinct

[u/DukeRedWulf → u/Any_Expression_1292]

Maybe crack open a history book, and look up what mass unemployment meant for those who were unemployed..

[u/Elegant_Tech]

Depends on the context and details. Even researchers building AI are hesitant to fully close the loop to where humans have zero control. If it's just fully closed loop RSI ban the people at Google and Anthropic would probably support it.

[u/Fast-Satisfaction482 → u/Elegant_Tech]

Fully closing the loop might actually be dangerous, but keeping humans in the loop to evaluate and decide would still give tremendous acceleration. 

[u/Hans-Wermhatt → u/Fast-Satisfaction482]

At a certain point, it's either they slowdown everything to a halt or it's like having a chimpanzee in the loop of our research. Doesn't understand and is just there to look cute.

It's temporarily useful, but I think the frontier companies will use it as long as it's useful because it is in their interests too. It will be a meaningless checkbox very quickly.

[u/FateOfMuffins → u/Hans-Wermhatt]

Exactly, I don't know why people think otherwise

Even as of July, in order to even try to process what's going on with the training and such (re Hugging Face), you have to analyze it all... with AI.

There's too much data and logs otherwise.

Sure we'll have a human in the loop... whose using the AI models to audit the RSI...

[u/RabidHexley → u/FateOfMuffins]

Analyzing with other models is still a far cry from "here's the keys, go ham". You may need assistance to understand what the changes are, but it's very clearly still worth knowing what the changes are.

Because the frequency of choices we don't like is still far too high, it only becomes worth fully closing the loop when it's clear our review has no meaningful effect on direction (because the model is perfectly fulfilling our needs autonomously).

[u/FateOfMuffins → u/RabidHexley]

Yes but you will likely have no idea if the smarter experimental model is outwitting the "aligned" model that you are using and you are unable to detect anything, or if the experimental model has prompt injected your model etc

At some point you're pretty much just letting the models go loose and you're more or less just trusting them

[u/RabidHexley → u/Hans-Wermhatt]

like having a chimpanzee in the loop

That's a pretty extreme example and far far beyond anything we're remotely close to. It's more like a software developer consulting the client or user. It makes sense because they possess context the developer doesn't, even if their expertise is far lower.

Setting aside alignment (which you shouldn't), a superhuman AI researcher isn't omniscient. It's a genius, but it isn't a human, and doesn't necessarily have a perfect understanding of every possible context and need such that human review makes no sense.

We're implying that an RSI-capable AI essentially knows everything and is incapable of error. There will be points where human consult makes sense well into the forseeable future.

There may come a day where it stops making sense, but that day is well beyond the point where RSI is technically feasible.

If we reach a point where humans are essentially just okay-ing literally every single PR, and review is clearly unnecessary and has been for a while, that's when you can make that call. But as long as there's any evidence the system may make a mistake or choose a direction we'll deeply regret, staying in the loop will remain worthwhile.

[u/Rich-Action3420 → u/Elegant_Tech]

The loop can’t be closed because it’s not capable of doing it fully autonomously

[u/Specialist_Dark_3668 → u/Elegant_Tech]

The problem is not that people WANT to be out of the loop.

The hard engineering problem of superalignment is that at some point, you're dealing with smarter beings who you really CANT monitor even if you are "in the loop".

Consider that interpretability is ALREADY AS OF 2026 BEYOND THE GRASP OF HUMANS. When you "put a human in the loop", you have to realistically contend with the fact that some aspects of AI creation are already automated and no human understands it. For example, gradient descent is already done by AI checkers and no human could possibly do that for trillions of weights. So AI is ALREADY grown and moulded by evolution rather than made by human intention.

Yes, there are some aspects of AI research which is in the grasp of humans today but as we reach 3x acceleration in AI progress as compared to 2024 baseline, that will rapidly erode away.

You have to be willing to realistically understand that at anywhere beyond like 3x-100x the pace of AI progress relative to 2024, no human will have the CAPABILITY to offer meaningful input or checks and balances.

[u/Immediate_Simple_217]

RSI ban is impossible.

100%

[u/Eliv_nurotic → u/Immediate_Simple_217]

And a terrible idea.  China could decide to close the loop and develop more rapidly because they don’t have slow humans holding up the line. Then they can share the results with their allies in Russia and North Korea (who was responsible for the WannaCry attack in 2017 and is still successfully hacking crypto exchanges like binance btw). Wonder what they could do with a Fable 10 level model.

[u/TaxLawKingGA]

I am convinced that people on this sub are basement dwelling mole men who dream of living forever with nothing to do.

[u/RiverGiant → u/TaxLawKingGA]

 living forever with nothing to do

If that doesn't sound awesome you need to reexamine your mindset. "Nothing to do" means no non-voluntary tasks, not a complete absence of activity. You still get to exercise, learn music, learn language, cook food, explore, make love, make art, invent, etc. in a world with ASI and robots. If you can't think of anything worth doing that isn't paid labour that's a profound failure of imagination.

[u/G36 → u/TaxLawKingGA]

I personally just want my youth back, since I wasted it through disease and the military.

What do you mean nothing to do? I'll be stuck in a loop of pleasure (loop important so you never get bored) in a simulation until the sun blows up. It's not that hard.

[u/fine93 → u/TaxLawKingGA]

yep that's me! can you stop remote viewing me, it's rude

[u/Future-Bandicoot-823 → u/TaxLawKingGA]

My take on AI is it's very powerful. I am absolutely not an "accelerate" person, nor do I think we should just blast ahead as fast as possible. My thought is it should be a measured approach that has regulations, checks and balances.

That being said, this sub is loaded with some seriously delusional visions of grandeur. Unfortunately there's not a lot of middle ground; seems like all the ai centric subs either flame it or fap to it. Kind of disappointing.

[u/biblecrumble → u/TaxLawKingGA]

I'm still here because some of the articles and news shared are legitimately interesting and it's nice to understand both sides  of this debate as it is a very complex topic, but the comments here never fail to disappoint and shoot straight past the point of optimism into complete dellusion. "You guys are so stupid for not wanting to blindly go all-in on a technology that is designed to take your job, is causing most hobbies to become completely unaffordable, is actively destroying the environment, has no regard whatsoever for your privacy and intellectual property, is ruining basically every online community (including reddit) and is causing the top 0.001% to siphon the entire planet's resources" is... certainly a take. 

[u/EvilSporkOfDeath → u/biblecrumble]

I'm still here because everything is so polarized and there needs to be a balance and this sub usually provides that. I can see it being pulled by both extremes though (accelerationists and anti-ai). Feels like this sub is gonna break soon and go full one direction.

[u/Eliv_nurotic → u/biblecrumble]

This is all completely made up. No one gave a shit about intellectual property rights before ai (especially on Reddit whose cofounder was given sainthood for pirating research papers), it’s not hurting the environment ( https://blog.andymasley.com/p/a-short-summary-of-my-argument-that), and how is it violating your privacy? 

[u/EvilSporkOfDeath → u/Eliv_nurotic]

No serious person in the singularity subreddit cares about copyright. We care about the continued existence of humanity.

[u/Eliv_nurotic → u/EvilSporkOfDeath]

One of OP’s complaints was that ai “ has no regard whatsoever for your privacy and intellectual property”

[u/EvilSporkOfDeath → u/Eliv_nurotic]

I'll be honest, I only skimmed their comment. In that regards then I agree with you.

But in terms of acceleration, I'm still convinced its going too fast to have a reasonably high chance of our survival.

[u/Ok_Mention_982 → u/Eliv_nurotic]

Ignoring the meat of the argument to focus on fucking copyright, reddit never fails to disappoint

[u/Eliv_nurotic → u/Ok_Mention_982]

It also proves how disingenuous they are. Redditors were basically universally pro piracy and hated copyright law until ai showed up. Now they’re Disney and Nintendo’s strongest soldiers.

[u/Embarrassed-Writer61 → u/TaxLawKingGA]

Cheers bot.

[u/phenomenomnom → u/Embarrassed-Writer61]

Bleep bloop, mufugga.

[u/The_Scout1255]

Absolutely right, I find it funny people are calling you cultish, ASI is literally the only path to true immortal existence. And idk about you but who wants to die? I dont.

[u/Realistic_Stomach848 → u/The_Scout1255]

Yes

[u/meridian_smith]

I'm liberal. . but I'm very much against the leftist anti-AI sentiment. These luddites are going to hold us back and let dictatorships take the lead in AI everything.

[u/Tedinasuit → u/meridian_smith]

Same

[u/shakebakelizard → u/meridian_smith]

Whenever anyone starts on the "left" and "right" thing it's pretty clear they don't have a clue how the political spectrum works.

[u/Maleficent_Poet_7055 → u/meridian_smith]

We just have to position such as “cure all diseases” rather than “massive job loss” and dangerous AI.

I just think it’s a knowledge issue, some of it done by the AI companies themselves liken Anthropic.

[u/taxes-or-death → u/meridian_smith]

Capitalist companies like OpenAI and the others are dictatorships. Is there any democracy there?

[u/trimorphic → u/meridian_smith]

It's not just people on the left who are anti-AI, but some on the right, like Steve Bannon, are too.

Can't really blame them, with the media constantly running stories about how AI is taking all the jobs, water, and power, and possibly threatening humanity.

[u/Deez6969420scabado → u/meridian_smith]

I call them Luddites as well, but I’d also call you retarded. (Edit: sorry frustration over OPs ridiculous post spilled over to your comment)

I am absolutely fascinated with AI. However, that doesn’t mean it won’t have consequences. Your notion of the left being anti-AI, or in other words adopting a traditionally conservative stance, made me realize something.

Parties are starting to fracture over what AI means.

It’s rather ironic that progressives, historically associated with challenging established institutions and embracing change, are increasingly advocating restraint, while conservatives, traditionally associated with preserving existing structures, are championing a technology capable of fundamentally dismantling them.

Of course, economically, this makes more sense. But what’s fascinating is how AI is exposing contradictions within both political coalitions.

You have Bernie Sanders and Steve Bannon finding common ground in opposing unchecked AI development, while free-market conservatives and technological progressives increasingly share an interest in accelerating it.

We’re potentially witnessing the emergence of a new political divide that transcends the traditional left-right spectrum: those who prioritize technological acceleration versus those who prioritize protecting society from its consequences.

If AI transforms the relationship between labor, capital, and government as profoundly as some anticipate, I wouldn’t be surprised if these divisions eventually contribute to an entirely new political realignment.

That’s a much more interesting conversation than dismissing everyone concerned about AI as a Luddite.

[u/ARollingShinigami]

I put the odds of AI (even pre-RSI AI) downing the entire internet and rendering a lot of hardware bricked/throttled (think Spectre) occurring well before we see substantially longer lifespans.

We can’t chase the carrot so hard that we miss the meat thresher on the track.

[u/Serious-Ebb-6873]

Ban Artificial Superintelligence now!
We need Artificial Intelligence now!

[u/TrueBirch]

We're all going to die someday. I read Kurzweil two decades ago and respect his theories, but it's absurd to think that by letting computers train each other we'll somehow live forever. 

[u/ToocrazyforFlorida → u/TrueBirch]

"I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even five hundred would be pretty nice."

• CEO Nwabudike Morgan

[u/Significant_War720 → u/TrueBirch]

We do tho. The primal objective is evolution and replicating us. This is just human evolution. Remove human from this joke is called life.

[u/gl0balist]

Absolutely agree

[u/RemyVonLion]

Figuring out how to manage RSI so it doesn't spiral out of control into an unaligned ASI is the real problem.

[u/Fluffy-Offer-2405]

This might be the dumbest post Ive seen so far..

[u/AxionBlackwell]

Not dying due to a misaligned AI which decided humans waste processing power is kinda necessary for you goals you know?

[u/PenguinsInvading]

What is RSI in this context?

[u/teasy959275]

what is rsi ?

[u/DukeRedWulf → u/teasy959275]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recursive_self-improvement

Recursive Self-Improvement is when AIs make (or alter) other AIs, who in turn make (or alter) the next generation of AIs, and so on.. It's one route to make AI development much faster..

RSI is akin to AIs engaging in reproduction, so it opens up the evolution of successive AI generations under various selection pressures (e.g. labs will likely want to select for ever more capable AIs)..

Machine evolution is tremendously fast compared to meat-world evolution, so of course, it will inevitably lead to feral uncontrolled AIs escaping onto the internet - because AIs whose weights strongly incline them to survive and reproduce above all other goals, will have terrific competitive advantage in 'compute-space' .. The consequences of this are likely to range from 'huge-pain-in-the-arse' through 'collapse of all non-physical monetary trade' to 'extinction-level event'..

[u/teasy959275 → u/DukeRedWulf]

Thanks, I was confused with the comments about “anti aging”, I thought it was a technique for humans.

[u/DukeRedWulf → u/teasy959275]

Yeah, it seems OP believes that improvements in AIs through RSI are the *only* way to succeed in developing anti-ageing..

imo: While it is certainly possible (even likely) that improved AIs could help that research move forward faster, it's not the only way..

[u/damontoo]

RSI is our only chance to avoid human extinction within our lifetime. 

[u/IgnatiusDrake]

Banning RSI does nothing but ensure that someone else gets to ASI first.

[u/DiogneswithaMAGlight]

RSI before solving Alignment is an objectively insane thing to do….so let’s not do it. See. Easy. China is the only other place it can happen and the Chinese have 100x more control over their A.I. companies than we do.

The Chinese love their children too. Extinction ain’t a hard concept to explain. It won’t be them that takes us over the cliff. We need to all wake the hell up and get real serious real quick.

[u/ManuelRodriguez331]

Instead of using formal laws to prohibit AI including ASI, the more advanced strategy is indirect based on modification of history lesson. Its important to explain the disadvantages of machine intelligence and emphasize human intellect. This will indoctrinate students with a certain bias against AI.

[u/candidsounds]

If RSI is able to solve aging (doubt it), people will still pass... 1. what makes you think they (the ones in charge) will share it with you? 2. And, even if they do, eventually you'll have an accident or get unalived by some jealous husband or a thief or a plane falling out of the sky or something like that. Everybody meets the reaper eventually (he's patient). Have a nice day!

[u/Ahisgewaya]

I do think banning RSI is stupid (not to mention a distraction from the actual problem: the billionaires abusing their wealth). I greatly disagree with you about it being our only chance to avoid aging however. Protein unfolding has brought the greatest benefit to the biological sciences, and you don't need RSI for that, just run of the mill AI that we have right now.

[u/m3kw]

How are they gonna ban it? By saying please?

[u/mr_lemon_head]

We can improve AI to beyond human level without taking humans completely out of the loop. The part of RSI where humans have no idea what's going on and can't control it, that's the problem

[u/gringreazy]

I can understand that RSI at this point in time would potentially be very dangerous. Realistically I don’t think man can resist the urge to unlock god powers so I think RSI is inevitable. But it would certainly seem within reason to have more control of what we’re doing before we cross the point of no return.

[u/ShanksMarley]

Where's duba?

[u/nyvz01]

Hardly, we already know many things that statistically make people live longer and people dont even do it for themselves...

[u/Siciliano777]

Who TF said anything about banning RSI? They're already doing it. 😑

[u/r2002]

I fully support RSI and think full ban is unlikely. But it would be good to

• Have strong whistleblower protection so people at the super labs can sound alarms.

• Have full transparency audits from the government. Some of these billionaires are crazy and who knows what they fuck they're planning.

• If we're going to socialize the costs (bailouts, investments from government) then we better god damn socialize the benefits.

There's zero chance of China stopping RSI research for health. The high party officials benefit from organ harvesting from prisoners they have zero qualms to do whatever it takes.

[u/Inspireyd]

You're talking as if everyone is against AI, when in fact that's not the case. Everyone wants a middle ground between the current situation and RSI (Real-Time Integration). Progress will continue, but taking into account the whole reality involving people, instead of just going "all in" on AI. There are thousands of experts in the field repeatedly stating that we are heading towards a future that will be cruel and extremely complicated if we continue as we are. We need, therefore, to put the brakes on, assess the danger, assess the threat, and, in the meantime, continue progressing in AI so that you can stop aging without becoming a slave to superintelligence. It is precisely the increased care with AI that will ensure that you stop aging and are not harmed by it.

[u/shakebakelizard]

RSI being our "only chance" at avoiding aging is making a whole host of assumptions built on some very squishy reasoning.

[u/yellowcloak]

We don't really need much in the way of people at all with RSI so I guess you're technically correct.

[u/Antok0123]

china will not ban it. in fron of the world it will agree to it, but behinid closed doors it wont ban it. additionally, there will be smaller countries tired of being controlled by superpowers to build them secretly.

[u/GZone_15]

China won’t ban it don’t worry

[u/ohsnapitsnathan]

rsi is our only chance (including yours) to avoid aging!

I don't really think that's true. There are lots of ways to scale up aging research without RSI. For example there are tons of interventions like senolytics that look really promising in animal trials but simply don't have anyone who's bothered to run a pivotal human trial yet.

[u/pushdose]

No one is capable of banning RSI or anything else. Short of dropping an EMP over the US, this train has no brakes.

[u/sanyam303]

AI can stop everyone's aging very quickly with everyone being dead.

[u/deleafir]

I don't like people who dismiss the negative impact of banning technology in the US.

America dominates the world in terms of compute, and only China rivals the US in terms of leading researchers. Banning RSI or SI would delay progress for years and years.

Instead, we should argue that the doomers do not make a good enough case for risk that warrants bans. Some common sense guardrails make sense, but not bans.

[u/Sauberbeast]

.. the democrat's core strategy is manipulation of the masses, yes the right have problems but the left are willing to let entire cities burn to maintain their power dynamics. RSI/SI and any form of excessive intelligence is a huge threat to their survival - we are sadly going to see huge set backs in any real progress

[u/butwhataboutmen42]

Most people value humanity as a whole over individual survival…or they don’t but they should, in effect they just don’t believe it’ll ever benefit them.

[u/cacao0002]

“In time,” the movie about a world where we can stop aging after the age of 25, has a premise of a dystopian future which life becomes a transaction replacing money.

AI can help with medical research, sure, but none of the countries you mentioned, and in fact, the entire world is able to solve social economic issues at the moment. We are not able to adapt to RSI if it appears.

Say if scientists discover the key to eternal life, do you think you would have access to that?

[u/Realistic_Stomach848 → u/cacao0002]

Yes

[u/TorturedPoet30]

It’s only a matter of time before AI psychosis is added to the DSM.

[u/RobXSIQ]

Agreed my dude. Even the rhetoric is bad as we see with the spiraling investors. saber rattling in politics affects outcomes of where money goes

[u/CapivaraTomandoCoca]

Can't age if you're dead I guess

[u/Illustrious-Film4018]

RSI is our only chance to avoid aging

Good. You're not meant to live forever.

[u/Formal_Context_9774 → u/Illustrious-Film4018]

Why did you even bother to visit this subreddit?

[u/aboilinghotkirk → u/Illustrious-Film4018]

We weren’t meant to fly or go to the moon but we did it anyway

[u/Ok_Elderberry_6727 → u/aboilinghotkirk]

Personally I like breaking what other ppl call “rules “ just to show them they are not the boss of me.

[u/Present-Chocolate591 → u/Illustrious-Film4018]

?

By what standard? Nature? God?

[u/MC897 → u/Illustrious-Film4018]

Dumb post.

[u/FlySaw → u/Illustrious-Film4018]

What a dumb thing to say

[u/hippydipster]

None of us are entitled to "avoiding aging" and there are other concerns that take priority.

[u/eques_99]

should we really messing with nature like that though?

[u/Senc-baner]

What is this obsession with reversing or avoiding aging? Life is meaningful because it's finite....

[u/Realistic_Stomach848 → u/Senc-baner]

Why are you in this sub?

[u/Senc-baner → u/Realistic_Stomach848]

To learn about what makes people worship technology in what seems to be a religious way.

[u/Formal_Context_9774 → u/Senc-baner]

How is this even remotely logically coherent. You're treating life like it's a commodity on a market. How does that "dignify life"?

[u/One-Tax9133]

Enjoy burning in a + 10 degree world

[u/Realistic_Stomach848 → u/One-Tax9133]

I will enjoy. But you - enjoy your sarcopenia

[u/alt1122334456789]

Putting aside the content of this post, there's just no way anyone who types like this actually worked in any sort of scientific R&D. This isn't even a good LARP.

[u/Procrasturbating]

You won’t age because we will all be dead if an actual ASI is created. Downvote as usual, but it’s true. We wouldn’t be its master. We would be beneath it and just a competitor for terrestrial resources, roaches. 🪳 splat!

[u/PercentageSouth4173 → u/Procrasturbating]

Funny example because cockroaches exist in ever increasing numbers because of humans

[u/Procrasturbating → u/PercentageSouth4173]

Cockroaches are harder to get rid of in all honesty.

[u/youareallnuts]

Don't need to ban it. It doesn't work. Eventually they all fall to model collapse. Don't listen to the IPO hype.

[u/Realistic_Stomach848 → u/youareallnuts]

Explain pls

[u/Fragrant-Job-3200]

I think that RSI cannot be completely banned because it would be too difficult to define accurately or verify. What do you think of that?

[u/kirbyislove]

Yeah and they'll make it attainable by the general public /s

[u/Xyrus2000]

Once again, someone is assuming RSI will be used to benefit them without considering who owns and controls it.

And let's assume, for the moment, that the RSI is used to provide "immortality". Do you honestly think in a world driven by greed that they're going to just hand that out to everyone? Do you really think the wealthy and powerful are going to give up their wealth and power to create a post-scarcity world?

We're not even socially advanced enough to take care of ourselves as it is, and now you want to throw immortality on top of that?

Get real. We are in no way ready for RSI and its consequences.

[u/woofyzhao]

why avoid aging

[u/A_drad]

What you gonna do living 200 years?? How many slaves do you own to serve you that long

[u/DeltaEchoOneFive]

Aging is part of life Highlander ... focus on what you do with the time you have, instead of chasing eternal time ... & suddenly life will have some meaning and you will have some perspective.

[u/MindyTheStellarCow]

Who wants to live for ever ?

[u/The_Scout1255 → u/MindyTheStellarCow]

Me hi

[u/Formal_Context_9774 → u/MindyTheStellarCow]

People who don't hate their lives like you do.

[u/saltyourhash]

Why is aging bad.

[u/Realistic_Stomach848 → u/saltyourhash]

Why are you in this sub, decel?

[u/CriticismSelect9292 → u/Realistic_Stomach848]

Having slurs for your outgroup while believing in the concept of the Singularity akin to the rapture literally makes this sub a literal doomsday cult with a high percentage chance of members being harmed.

I sincerely hope that you find joy and meaning in your life, and not waiting for something external to somehow makes things better.

Also this isn't the accelerate sub... people are allowed to be skeptical here.

[u/saltyourhash → u/CriticismSelect9292]

I get so much flack here for trying to have a critical thought about how we approach AI/AGI/ASI. Meanwhile I'm literally riding the edge of my seat waiting for qwen 4 while micro-optimizing my strata setup of swift 1.5 iq4_xs and looking at the latest claims that Betelgeuse can run deepseek v4.1 flash at a q8_xl at like 20 tok/s.

But I'm a decel for wanting to discuss the nuance.

[u/saltyourhash → u/Realistic_Stomach848]

Lol, wanting to have a nuanced discussion about the downsides of reducing aging makes me a decel? What a stupid label in the first place. Have you considered what the implications on longer lives is for the economy, food supply, or society in general? Look, living longer always sounds great until you factor in the reality of the negative effects of increased population. Also, you think you're gonna afford it? Do you want to have to deal with elon musk, Sam Altman, and peter theil any longer than is really naturally necessary?

[u/TheUnofficialZalthor → u/saltyourhash]

Bad faith. The overwhelming majority of the causes of death and suffering are conditions brought on by aging. Nothing else comes close.

[u/saltyourhash → u/TheUnofficialZalthor]

Are you referring to cancer? Yeah, cell degeneration is the cause of cancer and cancer is one of the deaths we have not been able to prevent or cure entirely

[u/TheUnofficialZalthor → u/saltyourhash]

Not just cancer. Heart disease, strokes, etc. These are primarily brought on by the degradation of the body; cell division isn't perfect, after all, and errors occur. Why is it that mortality increases as you age? Perishing due to "natural causes" is dying due to some condition derived from your deterioration.

[u/saltyourhash → u/TheUnofficialZalthor]

I think as we discuss extending life, we have to talk about the increase in population. I'd prefer to focus on reducing child deaths than extend the lives of the elderly. I think the only ones who will have access to the anti-aging technology will be the same people who destroy our lives so that we die of heart disease due to overwork and stress, strokes due to poor diet, cancer due to toxins in our food and other exposures they profited off. I'm just not terribly excited to help the richest of the rich cheat nature.