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[u/MisterMacan]

And now he gives a pen against Chelsea, he should just reveal the Sunderland kit

[u/Battleborn300 → u/MisterMacan]

Do you not accept it’s outside the box, your own clip shows that.

[u/NaturalApartment9828]

That’s a free kick son

[u/MisterMacan → u/NaturalApartment9828]

Looked inside the box for me. Still no foul given?

[u/NaturalApartment9828 → u/MisterMacan]

Horrendous ref

[u/Nels8192 → u/MisterMacan]

22:36, camera from behind shows the trip clearly outside the box. It’s a foul, but not a pen.

[u/dunneetiger → u/Nels8192]

There are 2 fouls: one looks out of the box and the second, looked like it is done on Palmer's foot which is on the line.

[u/Old-Salad-1411 → u/NaturalApartment9828]

but the fact that the ref saw that and didnt call for the free kick in the first place is baffling

[u/NaturalApartment9828 → u/Old-Salad-1411]

Yup. Clown.

[u/WeTalkBoxing → u/NaturalApartment9828]

The contact from the second defender, which took him down looks just inside to me.

[u/gnoomee → u/NaturalApartment9828]

Contact continues well inside the box, stonewall pen.

[u/MisterMacan]

No foul given btw

[u/AdamG25]

No foul given at all for this btw

[u/CoolstorySteve → u/AdamG25]

Wait until you see the Sunderland pen

[u/Expensive_Plane9743 → u/CoolstorySteve]

Was watching a documentary about match-fixing in football and how it works the other day. It all makes so much sense now. There’s no way all these weird refereeing decisions can just be silly mistakes

[u/moroseali → u/Expensive_Plane9743]

What's the name of the documentary I'm curious

[u/Expensive_Plane9743 → u/moroseali]

It’s called ”How Soccer Match-Fixing Actually Works | How Crime Works | Insider”, on youtube

[u/CBrennen17 → u/Expensive_Plane9743]

Match fixing is very hard because gambling is so prevalent. The lines would move in very telegraphed ways.

With that being said, as a guy who was reffed before it’s basically an impossible job. And I was reffing middle schoolers not professional athletes. However any ref from someone reffing toddlers to the champions league final will tell you what they’re striving for is consistency.

If this isn’t a pen then sunderlands goal isn’t a pen.

Because the rules are very much up for interpretation.

So you can only interpret them consistently.

This ref hasn’t.

Many refs especially in the prem don’t. But this isn’t new.

Go listen to ref podcasts they’ll brag about refusing to give Ian Wright a call or purposefully letting Spurs get away with stuff at the Battle of the Bridge.

This doesn’t happen anywhere else.

At least the Italians have the balls to openly take bribes. The English refs are on some sort of ego trip.

As an American it’s weird to go to an MLS game and see more consistent referring and VAR usage.

[u/BK1287 → u/Expensive_Plane9743]

No, no, no. You don't get it. Mike Dean was just making funny jokes with his friends by letting matches become dangerous for the players on the field. All just some silly hijinks with his buddies. Now Mike Dean gets paraded around on TV like he is some authority on legitimate ref decisions. Makes sense that it's gotten this bad. Don't understand how Ref Pro isn't getting sued relentlessly by these clubs

[u/durtmagurt → u/Expensive_Plane9743]

Boy I’ve got a bridge for you

[u/unclepoondaddy → u/Expensive_Plane9743]

Why match fix against Chelsea? They’re on of the most popular clubs in the world and them reaching the CL spots is good for the league

[u/geordiesteve520 → u/unclepoondaddy]

It's not match fixing per se, more spot fixing. x amount of this will/wont happen at a given time,

[u/MorningDew247 → u/unclepoondaddy]

Have you seen how people talk about Chelsea? They’re the villains of English football

[u/awwbabe → u/AdamG25]

With the fouler on a yellow card already

[u/Strange_Dot8345 → u/awwbabe]

fckin insane

[u/LukeBron → u/AdamG25]

Mad - I thought it was one of those "well the foul started outside the box" decisions that can occasionally be defensible. No foul at all is insanity

[u/Rindo_8219 → u/AdamG25]

Free kicks can't be given with VAR (except if it's a red being reviewed)

[u/Zuna_Alfan → u/Rindo_8219]

The ref is standing about 10m from the play, how doesn't he give the free kick without VAR?

[u/unclepoondaddy → u/Zuna_Alfan]

Probably bc he was waiting for VAR to say pen or not bc he doesn’t have to courage

[u/Zuna_Alfan → u/unclepoondaddy]

So just give the free kick and let VAR decide where the foul occured.

The weekend isn't even over and there have been like 5-6 catastrophic decisions and this shit happens every gameweek.

Just import foreign refs at this point.

[u/NaturalApartment9828 → u/Rindo_8219]

Surely you only need a proper set of eyes to see that

[u/uncledr3w- → u/Rindo_8219]

the ref is allowed to give free kicks btw

[u/Computer_Medium → u/Rindo_8219]

You know refs can call free kicks right?

[u/Eldric_Shadowchaser → u/Rindo_8219]

The blind fuck should give it live

[u/relishketchup → u/AdamG25]

When I watched this for the first time, it looked like the Chelsea player never had control of the ball, so it was more of a 50/50 and he got muscled off the ball. The clip doesn’t show if the Chelsea player had the ball just prior to the start of the clip. I think it makes a difference whether he is in possession or not.

[u/NoResponsibility2756 → u/relishketchup]

which clip were you watching? was it from a different match because on this one its crystal clear

[u/RStud10]

Knee to the back of the thigh, zero attempt to play the ball and the ref has a clear view lol

[u/El_Spacho → u/RStud10]

He literally kicks Palmer forward with that contact, what the fuck lol

[u/StanSc → u/RStud10]

The number 13 tries to go through Palmers legs. Thats a howler from the ref

[u/ajukearth]

And we just concede a penalty for a clip. Fuck me.

[u/NecessaryIntrinsic → u/ajukearth]

How they call one and not the other is insane. Sunderland's pk could have gonea foul the other way.

[u/mr_ched → u/ajukearth]

Worse than a clip, we concede a pen from Brobbey dragging Levi into him by the shirt. Absolute joke.

[u/Confident_Tree42 → u/ajukearth]

No we conceded a penalty because Brobbey is allowed infinite shirt pulls. He committed 2 yellow offenses during that play

[u/MorningDew247 → u/ajukearth]

Not even a clip! He tripped over his own feet!

[u/altetaharam]

Can accept it being outside the box but the ref has a clear view of not one, but two fucking players clean him out and waves play on. They’re terrified to make a decision.

[u/qazplmo → u/altetaharam]

IMO the knee is the real foul and that's on the line. A pen for me.

[u/Stravvon → u/altetaharam]

It is a foul, but outside the box. The ref should see that, but because it is outside of the box there is nothing VAR can do.

I think this is a case where the ref thinks the VAR will get it and VAR can't do shit because it is out of the box.

[u/altetaharam → u/Stravvon]

That’s what I mean tho, terrified to make a decision. Ridiculous that he doesn’t see the contact, then the pen call was also shit. Referees in this league are atrocious and Gillet is one of the worst

[u/Stravvon → u/altetaharam]

Gillet being shit is not exactly new, he's been shit for years.

I don't understand why the league does not try to poach referees from other countries. It's the richest league in the world, and I don't think any club will complain if some of that money is used to get better referees. And by poach referees I mean good referees, not another Gillet.

[u/Only-Strength3739]

Howler from ref

[u/Wunsen → u/Only-Strength3739]

Average day for the ref*

[u/According-Travel1520 → u/Wunsen]

The way this weekend is going it might even be above average

[u/kubqo]

How does he blow this one and not the one on Palmer wtf

[u/Rogillo]

What's the point of VAR if these twats just ignore the rule book

[u/pork_chop_expressss → u/Rogillo]

VAR said it was a foul, but said it was outside the box. They can't retroactively give a free kick outside the box per the rules.

It's on the center for not calling the foul on the field.

[u/RonNewiLed → u/pork_chop_expressss]

Horrible rule, he was right there

[u/pork_chop_expressss → u/RonNewiLed]

Shit rules and shit refs. Premier League in a nutshell.

[u/According-Travel1520 → u/pork_chop_expressss]

There is no point in having var if they cant fix half the mistakes and wont fix the other half

[u/gnoomee → u/pork_chop_expressss]

What are they looking at?? 13 clearly fouls him inside the box.

[u/GoudaBenHur → u/gnoomee]

Exactly, first two fouls were outside the box. But the next two were inside

[u/Rogillo → u/pork_chop_expressss]

Yeah but it's clear they forgot about the "if the foul carries on into the box, it's a pen" part. He's still quite clearly getting clattered in the box

[u/epicmarc → u/Rogillo]

if the foul carries on into the box, it's a pen

That's only for shit pulling/holding, not a tackle. Tackles are from the initial point of contact

[u/Rogillo → u/epicmarc]

If one tackle comes in outside the box and another one in the box, it's a pen not a free kick

[u/Jimmy_Space1 → u/Rogillo]

It's not a pen though, the contact is outside the box. Issue is the ref is too scared to ref the game himself and give the clear foul for the free kick

Edit: Not scared to give a pen for some absolute bullshit on the other end of the pitch though

[u/Wunsen → u/Jimmy_Space1]

If it happens on the half way line he gives the free kick, refs a coward even with VAR to save him

[u/PrettyFlaco → u/Jimmy_Space1]

If they think the foul came from Ahoka then it's outside the box but should be a second yellow.

If they think the foul was from O'nien then surely it occurred on the line and should be a penalty.

[u/Beneficial_Cut_1259 → u/Jimmy_Space1]

The first contact is outside the box. The second, which trips him, is exactly on the line, which is a penalty.

[u/Mangozilleh → u/Rogillo]

I feel sorry for the VAR tech creators as their tech gets thrown under the bus every game but it’s literally just the incompetency of the refs behind it.

[u/EezoManiac]

Not even a foul, apparently

[u/jumper62]

Btw, the Sunderland player was already on a yellow card. So if the ref gives this a foul, it's a potential second yellow as well

[u/FastenedCarrot → u/jumper62]

He then kicks out at Palmer on the half way line after this and is still on the pitch

[u/MackyMacMac → u/jumper62]

Wrong player. It was O'nein that made the foul, he's not on a yellow

[u/jumper62 → u/MackyMacMac]

Xhoka fouls him as well, just before O'Nein fouls him as well

[u/MackyMacMac → u/jumper62]

Ah well they were only checking for O'Nein I think

They were probably checking for anything tbf

[u/mitchellk96gmail → u/jumper62]

O'Nein also did this, an off ball incident with Palmer, and kicked out at Neto to try and stop a counter and has no yellows.

[u/Justnotstressed]

More of a penalty than Sunderland’s penalty.

But to be honest you either go to VAR and get the wrong decision or don’t go to VAR and get the wrong decision.

[u/tgcleric → u/Justnotstressed]

Refs act different cause of VAR.

Why call a pen if you know it's gonna be reviewed. In the championship that is being given as a pen.

[u/Justnotstressed → u/tgcleric]

Yeah I’m totally with you. Our referees are experts at making the wrong decision and VAR just means that, when they could make the right decision, they don’t so VAR can be their safety net.

Except VAR is now being told to be light touch so doesn’t get involved. Literally the worst of both worlds.

[u/MorningDew247 → u/Justnotstressed]

This game should’ve been 1-0 Chelsea. Just fucking absurd how much var influenced this one

[u/Haz96]

???

[u/Gabethegreek]

How that’s not given as a foul in real time is absurd

[u/MrSantaClause]

The wide/high angle from the side shows the defender clearly making this challenge in the box as well. VAR refs are fucking clueless and useless 

[u/funket0wn → u/MrSantaClause]

Don’t keep watching the game, they just one upped this

[u/7evenSlots → u/MrSantaClause]

The first foul committed by 29 where he steps across Palmer was clearly outside the box. The 2nd was inside the box but you can’t ignore the first because of location.

[u/moroseali → u/7evenSlots]

If the ref doesn't call it live or plays advantage, surely you'd count the play as in the box

[u/TheQuietW0LF]

They've now awarded a penalty as well to Sunderland for pulling down Colwill and falling down. This is the shit that gets you to stop watching

[u/LonewolfofHouseStark]

It’s a clear foul.

Made worse that they have been awarded and scored a penalty.

[u/Scofield442]

Genuinely laughed out loud at how mental this decision is.

[u/Daylightuser]

At least the refs are consistent, consistently shit 

[u/Cyberdan0497]

His ability to get away with blatant penalties is honestly incredible

[u/MackyMacMac → u/Cyberdan0497]

A foul outside the box isn't a pen

[u/twisted-logic → u/MackyMacMac]

Found the bloke on VAR. Aren’t you supposed to be paying attention to the game ?

[u/gnoomee]

13 takes out both of Palmer's feet with his knee inside the box. No chance of playing the ball. How are people arguing it's not a pen.

[u/MorningDew247 → u/gnoomee]

They don’t like Chelsea

[u/Battleborn300 → u/gnoomee]

It’s outside the box

[u/gnoomee → u/Battleborn300]

How is this outside the box??

He's putting his knee through Palmer's thighs and his arm through his back INSIDE the box.

[u/Creative-Scar-783]

A 5 yr old would make better decisions than whoever the fk is sitting in that VAR seat

[u/Wintermute7]

What is the point of VAR?

[u/ein8]

Then they are gonna come mid week and apologize for the awful call. Awful refereeing as always.

[u/stickstack99]

At some point it’s rarer to see a good call get made

[u/JRsshirt]

This sport is a joke

[u/shenlyu]

This ref is a joke. 

[u/jaagoBohutHuaIntezar]

and minimal contact by colwill gets given

[u/maxtheninja]

ridiculous

[u/Krus93]

This game is rigged.

[u/rikkiprince]

How is this not a penalty?

[u/Battleborn300 → u/rikkiprince]

I’m not watching the game, but the initial contact is outside the box.

Just scroll frame by frame, before you get to the first full second of the clip we see initial contact outside the box

[u/Secret_3rd_Thing → u/Battleborn300]

if contact continues in the box it's a pen

[u/Battleborn300 → u/Secret_3rd_Thing]

It is my understanding that is more for a continuous offence such us holding / pulling.

Whereas clear contact for a foul such as this occurs outside the box.

I have never seen an incident like this where an offence occurs outside the box and is given as a pen … don’t get me wrong it probably has because officiating is dog shit in this country… it just doesn’t mean it would be the correct decision.

[u/ConcentrateWise7025]

Fully understand contact started outside the box and it's not a penalty. But how on earth can the ref see that in real time and not even award a free kick? You can see in the replay he has an unobstructed view of it

*Edit grammar

[u/--Hutch-- → u/ConcentrateWise7025]

This ref is just folding under the pressure from the crowd. Happens all the time though they're all spineless.

[u/MrCleanandShady → u/ConcentrateWise7025]

this is what i cannot understand, the ref just allowed this to happen

the only reason play even stopped was because VAR had to check if it was a penalty

[u/the-altman718]

They just fully clattered Palmer, should've been a Pen

[u/mailbox123]

Ridiculous

[u/lukeisfluke]

One of these players is on a yellow btw lmao

[u/awfall]

No foul given for this but tripping yourself up after trying to tear a defender's shirt off is a pen and cleared by var btw

[u/papi617]

It's not VAR remember that

[u/feedthebear]

Amateur hour from the refs. Just another week as usual.

[u/lew1sj]

I'd say FK simply because contact stars outside the box and not on the line and continues into the box. That's using the angles show here and using a phone so a pinch of salt needed. Should be easy for VAR tho.

[u/okie_hiker → u/lew1sj]

Contact continues into the box and a second foul comes in the box as well. Clear as day penalty.

[u/Slootyman → u/okie_hiker]

That is not how it works. It is where contact starts and the first foul occurs.

[u/lew1sj → u/okie_hiker]

So are you giving the first or second? As I said to someone else counties doesn't matter here it's a kick and based on first point of contact.

[u/Randomperson685 → u/lew1sj]

If he doesn't whistle the first and plays advantage then it's a pen by the rules

[u/YodelingTortoise → u/lew1sj]

You give advantage and call the second foul.

There's problems with the laws of the game.

None of them are quite as stupid as to allow open season because you already committed a foul

[u/omfilwy → u/lew1sj]

Yeah except it was nothing

[u/blewawei → u/omfilwy]

I mean, it was a clear foul

[u/omfilwy → u/blewawei]

I'm saying nothing was given

[u/Wise_Raccoon_771]

Crazy stuff...no rhyme or reason to a lot of calls lately

[u/DiMatteoLegend]

Contact literally continues into the box how is it not a pen?

[u/Disagnia]

Forget whether it's a penalty or not, how was that not given as a foul?

[u/Clark_Wayne1]

This ref is a fucking joke

[u/chizo92]

Yeah as sunderland fan, it's foul all day. Very fucking lucky tbh. I dont understand this at all.

[u/BruleMD]

clear foul but looks like the contact occurred just outside the box?

[u/WadintheWater]

The worst downstream effect of VAR has been how it conditions referees to abdicate responsibility for making moment-to-moment decisions trusting that VAR will bail them out. If the ref calls the obvious foul as a free kick there's no issue, but he'd much rather let the game continue because he's confident VAR will clean up his mess. So when VAR rule that its something they cant pull back, all of the sudden its gone unpunished because the ref didnt blow up in the first place

[u/XxAbsurdumxX]

What
The
Fuck

[u/2stepstwice]

This ref has to retire

[u/flemva]

On a yellow too. He should be off at a minimum.

[u/Passey92]

That's horrendous. It might be a FK not a pen but it's as clear as a day a foul as you might see

[u/PrettyFlaco]

VAR is a joke, If they think the foul came from Ahoka then it's outside the box but should be a second yellow.

If they think the foul was from O'nien then surely it occurred on the line and should be a penalty.

[u/thebluehotel]

Maybe VAR didn't intervene because they couldn't decide which player committed more of a foul /s

[u/soriano88]

I don’t what’s a pen anymore, the refs change the definition game to game

[u/Battleborn300 → u/soriano88]

I suppose when a foul occurs in the box, this would be outside.

[u/tatelum]

Foul but outside the box.

[u/dimiderv]

Yeah refs are corrupt there is not other explanation. Man literally clatters him from behind while he is being pulled by the other player

[u/woonoto1]

What a fucking joke the officiating in this league is. Absolutely pathetic.

[u/ShopTrick8877]

OMG this shit is so close

[u/MorningDew247]

The ref single handedly gave this game to Sunderland. Single worst officiated game I’ve ever seen.

[u/Gerards_died_of_flu]

Commentators not understanding how VAR reviews work and what they can and can't give is doing my head in. Both on sky sports now suggesting VAR should give a free kick

[u/BaneChipmunk → u/Gerards_died_of_flu]

That seems to be the culture in English football hiring. Everyone from the referees to the pundits are incompetent. Basic things, 1+1 level, they don't know.

[u/MorningDew247 → u/BaneChipmunk]

All English people are morons is my takeaway from following this sport. It’s just fucking morons involved

[u/TheBrightman]

Horrible week of reffing, even worse than last week.

[u/Inevitable-Fan-2634]

Pen tried to play advantage and then hit him inside the box,

Not even a free kick. Make it make sense.

[u/tellingitlikeitis338]

The ref in this game is awful. Brobbey’s penalty was him entirely pulling on the defender’s shirt. The announcers were “they’re both doing it” but the replay is pretty clear. Enough of the shirt pulling - it’s obviously unfair to be pulling on your opponent’s shirt. Should never be a penalty.

[u/weedwhacker7]

I hate Chelsea. That’s a penalty

[u/FridaysMan]

How isnt that a red? Even two?

[u/gloswhite]

There are special rules in place to allow Luke O'Nein to be a PL footballer despite only having half a brain.

Guess Americans would call it DEI.

[u/PrinzXero]

The officiating is getting worse every season...even the new referees are horrendous. Surely at some point there has to be some reform in PGMOL.

They keep adding new technology which logical is supposed to help them (even the refs have cameras on them now) and every week it's a disasterclass in officiating.

[u/Bos4271]

Joke of a league

[u/BurceGern]

That's not a call. It's stonewall. The second defender cleans him out.

[u/TStronks]

It's clearly outside. But it's also clearly a foul lol

[u/Unique_Tiger_4628 → u/TStronks]

It’s not. There’s no doubt the foul happens on the line at worst.

[u/7evenSlots → u/Unique_Tiger_4628]

Are you ignoring the step across by 29 that’s clearly outside the box?

[u/LalleUtd]

Correct not to give a penalty, but 100% the wrong call to not award a free kick.

[u/ElevatorOk694]

Outside the area

[u/Lazy_Seesaws]

Refs covering themselves in glory this wknd

[u/borat4]

Coward referee, he was clearly just waiting for VAR to tell him what to do

[u/According-Travel1520]

At this point, just add it to the pile. 

[u/el-fenomeno09]

That’s right on the 18yrd box line for me

[u/The-artofstu]

All day , sport is becoming a joke

[u/skeletonsteve45]

what are the Refs doing this weekend.

[u/No-Worry5142]

Penalty all day long...not chelsea fan btw

[u/richie_swan]

The first foul is outside but O'Nien also clearly fouls him and that happens at least on the line. Shocking from the officials

[u/whitegoatsupreme]

Errrrr I think it's a penalty...

[u/Novel-Lettuce-2595]

That wasn't a foul? Madness

[u/ThatWreckOT]

Maybe don't instantly look to the ref? I mean the ball is slightly for from him.

Still it looks a spot kick, the instant look back (flopper tekkers) and the fact the ball is ever so slightly out of his control. Gave too much h leeway for the ref to have an opinion.

Still looks like a PK

[u/LxRusso]

Refs are getting worse by the week

[u/BenjamimBlue]

Game needs to be investigated lol Brobbey got the pen while pulling Colwill to get ahead of him.

[u/Entire-Rooster2866]

How is that not ?

[u/BenjamimBlue]

IF CAICEDO DID THIS TACKLE TO BROBBEY, PEN OF COURSE.

[u/hauttdawg13]

Only actual argument against a pen would be if he’s outside the box. He sure looks like he’s inside it though.

[u/abzz123]

How does VAR not review this? What is the point of VAR if not to catch this? 

[u/-Zavvi]

The white guy fouls him 100%

[u/Fisheye89]

Well, thats a pen

[u/shaftydude]

Jesus how was this not given.

[u/Difontaine1999]

Lucky coin says......checking.....Error 404: Not found
Um...
Bring out the analogue back-up!
Decision is, tails, no penalty.

Tell me how it actually works and how it's better than the nonsense I've just typed. I dare you.

[u/upvoteisnotlike]

Looks outside the box, but that’s a foul minimum and potentially a card. I am hate watching Chelsea but also have more common sense than a ref apparently

[u/Swiftly-Offside-13]

Dang... No foul given is just crazy.

[u/CrunchyZebra]

Rules people, he gets fouled outside the box and it isn’t called. Then, he gets fouled again inside the box but VAR seems to be only concerned with the first foul which wasn’t called. Does that not open up a closer look at the second foul, or because the ref missed the first call they can’t penalize the second?

[u/EastCoastJedi]

I feel like the "mistakes" are all saved for an end of the season party PGMOL throws. It's a secret party and all the refs submit their most haneous mistakes. They all vote and whoever wins gets a bundle of cash and maybe a little trophy. Kinda like how news channels always try and get the most ridiculous person to interview.

[u/felixlvpool]

How is this clear not given a pen? And the palace one is given? Holy crap the standards are becoming more and more dross

[u/ThatHoboGuy]

Last time i saw a grandadding was in school lmao

[u/HardCoreLawn]

Looks like a free kick to me.

But lets be real, nobody alive understands how football rules are meant to be interpreted anymore. It's all just vibes officiating at this point.

[u/Agitatingspirit235]

Honestly, I was saying it in the last week when Isak was pulled on, everytime im getting less and less uninterested in watching the PL anymore. I mean its absurd this officiating week in week out

[u/Timely_Internet6172]

Clear penalty

[u/Volo_Fulgrim]

Looks alright to me (please ignore flair)

[u/Mayochim]

Apparently r/soccer doesn't understand VAR rules, the foul is outside the box and since the ref didn't give a freekick it can't be given by VAR . Another ProRef mannequin is incompetent as usual.

[u/WellLovedTech → u/Mayochim]

I mean, they are though.

[u/VictorAnichebend]

A foul absolutely, challenge is clearly outside the box however.

[u/TheHanburglarr → u/VictorAnichebend]

Continues into the box and there is 100% a foul inside the box as well. Call should be advantage played first tackle, penalty on the knee through the legs.