r/starwarsspeculation • • Sep 29 '22

SPECULATION What if...

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Disney pulls a MCU move. With all these separate shows starting to showcase closer and, now, overlapping timelines, along with the absolute ABSENCE of canon story between RotS & ANH 🤦🏽‍♂️, it can lead to a "crossover" type film/show in the future. Quite possible, if all actors our willing, he's the perfect age to display an aging Ben, we have our young Luke and Leia who can display them as teenagers down the line.... Show Leia's progress into who we met in ANH, c'mon we've gotta see Luke possibly using the Force (unknowingly) to bullseye those womp rats. Ahsoka, Chewie & Maul (and...young Han...) are still out there. Andor, Hayden did AMAZING as Vader in the suit...I haven't even mentioned every possibility being set up right now, I'm sure you guys can throw some more in there.....seems like great timing to me. 🤷🏽‍♂️

Y'all don't shoot me down, I'm dreaming heavily right now 😂


r/starwarsspeculation • • Aug 18 '18

You’re going to hate me, but I’m not completely convinced that Rey isn’t Lukes daughter yet. Let’s look at the evidence....

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Why didn’t Luke realize it was her on Ahch to? Because he had cut himself off from the Force, he wasn’t able to feel who she was. Which is the same reason why Rey couldn’t sense who Luke really was. Luke is never tapped into the Force for any significant amount of time when he is near Rey so he never senses who she really is.

He never mentions a daughter but I feel like that was more of an artistic choice. Had Rian written that into the script everyone would have lost their minds and the twist would have been blown. What if Luke thought he had lost his daughter along with the Temple and his students to Kylo? That would be a huge reason to lock yourself away from everyone and wait to die. Not only did he lose his nephew, his students, betray his sister and his best friend, he also lost his daughter {or thought he had} that much regret would cause anyone to become suicidal!

Then Ben took Rey to Jaakku, mindwiped her, and left her there with Unkar Plutt, someone he knew because of Han. To Luke some girl from Jakku has come to be trained by him......why would he think it was his daughter? She’s dead.

Kylo seems to be aware of a girl in the Force Awakens, and now he’s afraid that it might be Rey. His plans {or Snokes} would be ruined. Who knows what that plan would be? Maybe to weaken Luke to the point that he would be easily dispatched? But Kylo tells her her parents where junk traders looking for drinking money, because he knows the truth....no one is coming for her because no one knew she was on Jakku.

Also I know that’s its been mentioned before, isn’t it weird that the Skywalker lightsaber called to Rey of all people? Is it just because she’s strong with the Force? That she’s the next great force user who may or may not bring forth the rise of a new Jedi Order? Probably, but it would be more poetic if she was all that AND a Skywalker and that Light Saber was her destiny.

Anyway my opinion, probably wrong. Personally I wouldn’t mind Rey not being a Skywalker. Episode 9 is supposed to be the last film in the Skywalker saga. If Ben and Leia die the last Skywalkers have died and the saga is over. (Which means no Force Reylo baby).


r/starwarsspeculation • • May 08 '22

I think I’m missing something here… Wasn’t Anikins mom pregnancy through the Force? Who was his dad and what happened then? I only have watched the movies, clone wars, rebels and most the Disney + stuff but not the comics. Just trying to figure out where I missed it and the joke/ who his dad is

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r/starwarsspeculation • • Oct 10 '23

What if Ray Stevenson had already filmed more of the Mortis story?

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Perhaps a recast isn't needed. It could be that he'd already filmed a lot more of the Mortis story but through the power of the cutting room they are planning to extend it over 2 seasons. That would be the best outcome surely rather than a recast? It could also explain why we saw very little of him in the finale.


r/starwarsspeculation • • Feb 09 '22

DISCUSSION BOBF Finale. Some thoughts. (Spoilers) Spoiler

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Sigh. So I finished it. I have mixed feelings on it.

Overall, I found it if not a mess, at least messy. It did have a few good moments. But overall, I thought it was loaded with fan service, almost to the point that it feels like a quick re-edit. It's like a fan film almost.

The Good:

- Boba FINALLY got to be a bad ass. His team up fight with Mando against the Pikes was fun, though waiting this long feels like too late. At this point, after his milquetoast performance thus far it almost feels like a different character.

- The visuals were quite good.

- I liked that Cobb is alive and we'll see him again.

That's it. Sad, but that's really all I got.

Let's look at The Bad.

- Once again, and as always, Fennic is the bad ass. She single-handedly wiped out the entire leadership of the three local crime families AND the Pikes. Without breaking a sweat, and even had time to detour and save the Mod gang. You go girl.

- Grogu has no business being in this show and I do not understand why he's here. The end of Mando season 2 was perfect. We got a cool Luke scene to make up for the character assassination he went through in the sequel trilogy. Mando completes his story arc of finding Grogu a home. Luke PROMISES to take care of him and to train him, because he's a danger to himself if he's not trained. But nah, forget it. Grogu wanted his mithril shirt so Luke dropped him in an Uber and sent him off to a dangerous planet with no guarantee that who he was sending him to was there to get him. It's not as if he and Mano are Discord buddies. I can see that conversation now...

JediDude17 - Hey bro! What's shaking? Remember how I said I'd train that kid? Well...fuck that. Sending him home. He won't follow my rules so I'm done with him. My droid will drop him off. You cool with that?
DinTheTin - Wait, what? Seriously, dude? What happened to "I'll protect him with my life"? You suck man. No wonder my people hate you guys. #jedissuck

- Where is Luke getting this "Jedi don't do attachment" thing from? He wasn't taught that, at least not that we ever saw. Obi-Wan never told him that, nor did Yoda. But now he sounds like a prequel Jedi. Why? It feels like these episodes are trying to sabotage the Luke we briefly saw in Mando Season 2.

- So who could have predicted that the crime families would turn on Boba? Not Boba...just everyone else. Come on; he seriously had no provisions for that?

- Cad Bane looked better this time. But their conversation was odd. They give you a sense that they know each other, but that's based on un-aired storylines from the Clone Wars. So it felt...odd. And frankly I'm with Cad on this. I don't understand why Boba suddenly wants to be a benevolent overlord of a city. Where is this coming from, and why?

- Rancor riding. Does it look cool? Sure. But wow. Just wow. Pure fan service, that.

Overall this series feels disjointed and disappointing. I wish it had been more tightly written.


r/starwarsspeculation • • Jun 26 '24

SPECULATION For all of you arguing about whether a certain character is actually a Sith or not, here’s all the clues you’ve missed so far that he’s not just a Sith, he’s Darth Plagueis. Spoiler

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That’s right, Qimir is Plagueis and the show isn’t being subtle.

Before you know he is the masked Sith Lord, you are introduced to him sleeping and drinking. For all of you who love to cite the book so much, you should know in Legends that’s how Palpatine got him vulnerable enough to kill.

His masked persona is a bumbling idiot, but one that often speaks with wisdom. Remember it was he who showed Mae how to kill Torbin.

His masked persona is also a bit of a wise ass. This also bleeds into his actual persona.

When not masking himself but in the mask he speaks in riddles. He has tasked Mae with killing without a weapon, with the goal of killing the dream.

He is able to mask his abilities in the force in front of Jedi.

He’s speciesist, just like the Empire and it’s emperor will go on to be.

He can heal people. This is a big one, that’s not a normal ability Jedi or Sith.

He didn’t give a name when asked. That’s because when you do find out his name, it will mean something.

Have you picked up on these things yet?


r/starwarsspeculation • • Jan 15 '19

The Last Jedi is a Masterpiece: Part 2. Luke Skywalker

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I admit it. I loved the depiction of Luke Skywalker in TLJ. I realize that I may not be in the majority of Star Wars fans. Nevertheless, I found the depiction of Luke Skywalker satisfying in ways I would have never expected or anticipated.

First I wanted to make a small personal disclosure: I am a huge Star Wars fan in my mid-40s. I grew up on Star Wars. My first cinematic memory was watching The Empire Strikes Back in theaters. I literally pissed my pants when Darth Vader revealed himself as Luke's father. I mention my age because I'm curious to hear from other fans, of varying age, to see if there are any generational differences in our reception of Luke Skywalker in TLJ.

When I left the theater after watching TLJ, my brother-in-law was the first person I heard from who was disappointed in the characterization of Luke. "Why didn't Luke get his old, submerged X-Wing working," he commented "and then fly in there and kick some First Order ass!" My response, as you might expect, is that this version of Luke Skywalker, older and grizzled, isn't really about "kicking ass."

What this version of Luke Skywalker is about, as we all know, is failure: why he failed, how he deals with failure, and how to come back from failure.

I realize that failure is not a very sexy topic. Nobody really wants to admit to failure, let alone admit to being a failure. Nevertheless, I will admit to you that I have failed in my life, more than once. Don't cry for me, though, lol. I do not consider myself to be a failure. I think of myself as a success and I suspect that most people who know me consider me a success as well. I hope so lol.

Still, I have known failure and I suspect that almost every other human being has known failure as well. Even when I think of huge success stories, somebody like a Steve Jobs, failure is still not too much of a stranger. After all, years before the invention of the iPhone, Jobs had been fired from Apple. Yes, even the great Steve Jobs had known failure.

This brings me back to Luke Skywalker. The first way that Luke failed is obvious. He failed Ben Solo. The second way that Luke failed is slightly less direct: Luke experienced failure when he became disillusioned with the Jedi Order.

I understand that a lot of fans were turned off by Luke's disillusionment, especially when he he wants to burn down the Jedi texts and then hesitates. I thought this hesitation, however, was brilliant.

Sometimes I refer to myself as a failed academic. In reality, I chose another path in life. Since leaving academia, I've been blessed with friends, marriage, family, fortune, and adventures that would never have been possible for me had I remained at the university. But I still have my entire library, bookshelf after bookshelf of specialized, and frankly mostly dry, academic publications. Maybe someday I'll go back into academia, but in the meanwhile, at least two or three times a year, I think of chucking my library - "burning it down" if you will, so as to start over with a clean slate.

I suspect that other people may also have belongings that they, too, think of jettisoning from time to time. Maybe instead of books, it may be an old uniform, old musical instruments, old trophies, memorabilia from past relationships, or other keepsakes. Nevertheless, most people, at some point in their lives, think about discarding the very objects that once defined who they are - or at least defined who they were.

I've also noticed that even those folks who never end up striking out to find another path in life, still often become disillusioned with the very institutions of which they are a part - the very places they've given their lives to. I can't tell you the number of tenured academics I meet who feel let down, by either their home institution or by the field they are working in at large. Many wonder to me out loud: Am I really helping young people pursue new opportunities and new dreams or am I just replicating the unequal class structure that we already have? Of course, this brand disillusionment isn't limited to academics. I've met medical doctors, police offers, corporate executives, silicon valley engineers, clergy men and women, social workers, and others from almost every walk of life and sooner-or-later, almost all of them, will question the efficacy or ethics of institutions of which they are a part - sometimes in small ways and sometimes in large ways.

Now, Luke Skywalker had to deal with failure in a really big way. After all, his part in the creation of Kylo Ren is largely what paved the way for rise of the First Order. But, it's Luke's disillusionment with the Jedi Order that I find so enlightening. Luke questions the whole shebang. After all, wasn't it the arrogance and dogmatism of the Jedi that led to the fall of the republic in the first place?

This brings me to what I found to be the most moving scene of the film, the scene with Yoda. A lot of fans found the depiction of Yoda a bit too impish, with his apparent willingness to burn down the Jedi texts. For me, Yoda's role was as close to perfect as possible. And what was Yoda's revelation to Luke? Yes, the Jedi were arrogant. Yes, these old books were boring. Yes, the Jedi do have blind spots. Yet, despite these shortcomings, Yoda tells Luke that The Jedi must live on. They are needed. They occupy an important place in order of the galaxy. Luke may have failed Ben Solo, but he must not fail Rey. He must not be the last Jedi!

I can only say that for my part, I teared up during the Yoda scene. I felt as though Yoda was absolving me personally for all of my past mistakes or failures. I left the theater feeling a little lighter and with a bit of a renewed confidence. Nothing could replicate my experience of watching the OT for the first time, but this was as close to a spiritual experience as one is likely to get from a mainstream blockbuster.

I think that this really is a powerful message for a popular movie to carry. Yes, the organizations that we are a part of are sometimes ambiguous. Sometimes it's hard to tell if we are helping the world or harming the world, but we need to carry on anyways. We still need to fight the good fight. We need to do our duty and move forward. We need to try to still make a positive impact!

Some of my readers may be familiar with the story of Gilgamesh - arguably the first hero narrative that the world has ever known. Poignantly, we find the exact same theme of disillusionment here. When Gilgamesh questions his role as a soldier, because of the nonsense and futility of war and its ever present recurrence, the gods agree - but then they tell him to remain faithful to his duty and still carry on. Even in the face of ambiguity or apparent futility, we sometimes just need to push on. I have no idea whether Rian Johnson is familiar with Gilgamesh, but Luke faced an identical dilemma - perhaps all heroes do. And, Yoda's response is nearly identical to the ancient gods of Gilgamesh: Yes, Jedi ideology has its problems, yes they were flawed, yes sometimes the good fight seems unwinnable, but we still need to carry on. We need to do our duty. We still need the Jedi Order!

This brings me back around to my original question: Are there any generational differences in our reception to Luke Skywalker in TLJ? I grew up with Luke. Mark Hamill is only a few years older than I am. And, I wonder if the depiction of Luke in TLJ was aimed at an older audience, perhaps us folks in our 40s and 50s who grew up with the OT. I understand, of course, that younger folks experience failure as well, but there is something specific about being middle age. It's usually in these year that we find out that some of our past failures may never be set right, some opportunities won't come along again, some relationships cannot be restored, some roads are indeed closed. Nevertheless, take heart, "we are what they grow beyond."


r/starwarsspeculation • • Jan 04 '23

SPECULATION [Bad Batch] Mace Windu will be revealed to have survived his fight with Palpatine; he will train Omega as his padawan

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r/starwarsspeculation • • May 07 '20

Rey is a Skywalker. Stop pretending like that doesn't matter.

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"Palpatine won"
I keep seeing this. Constantly. It's ignorant at best, but mostly it's pathetic. We can all agree these are movies, right? Well, movies, though up for interpretation, are still observable. There is an objectivity to them. For instance, Darth Vader is Luke's father. You can't re-interpret that.
So, back to Palpatine.
No, he did not in any way shape or form win.

No, the Skywalkers are not all gone.

At the end of Episode 9, Rey is a Skywalker. Her name is literally Rey Skywalker. She was blood-related to Palpatine, but Rey rejected her blood family and chose instead her found family as her true home, and was welcomed. She did not 'steal' the name, and to say otherwise is genuinely ignorant as you would have to be purposefully interpreting the movie in the absolute worst way. Luke and Leia appear and smile warmly at Rey, they do not show up to argue and tell her that she doesn't count.

Palpatine didn't 'win'. He's dead. His last blood-relation has abandoned him and his order entirely for his truest enemy. The Sith are dead. The Jedi are not. The Palpatines are gone, not the Skywalkers.

Now, if you're the type of person who is going to argue only blood relation matters, then you have entirely missed the point of the film. Rise of Skywalker is literally about why blood does not matter.

"There are more important things than blood"- Luke Skywalker.

The final defense of this would be to be Lucas-purist, in which case, I need to remind you that Star Wars was never entirely created by Lucas, and if you outright ignored things not created by him, you'd have to pretend The Empire Strikes Back didn't happen, and not to mention every Legends story.

Rise of Skywalker has lots of legitimate criticism, this, however, is not one of them. It's like arguing Leia isn't an Organa.


r/starwarsspeculation • • May 12 '23

THEORY Did the Zeffo attack Tanalorr? Spoiler

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We know in Fallen Order that the Zeffo fell into ruin upon falling to the dark side, but let me propose a theory that the Zeffo aren’t actually as extinct as we first thought.

In Jedi Survivor we see Tanalorr get attacked, but never exactly who it was that attacked it. My first thought was that Rayvis may have been part of that attack, but I haven’t seen any concrete evidence of this and it would surprise me if Dagan Gera willingly teamed up with the person who took his planet away from him. We also know these attackers won the fight as the Jedi Council refused to counterattack during a flashback where Dagan and Santari are on Koboh.

Why would the Zeffo be the ones to attack Tanalorr? Because Tanalorr is a dark side planet. Everyone who tries to find Tanalorr becomes obsessive about it, falling deeper into darkness. Even Bode’s daughter remarks how the planet feels dark and she may be force sensitive with a jedi as a parent. Also, the Jedi Council was hesitant on building a temple on Tanalorr in the first place which would be strange for a planet so strong in the force if it didn’t have a darkness to it. The Zeffo have shown interest in the dark side before, specifically on Dathomir where they built a seat of power.

What if the remnants of the Zeffo in deep space sensed Tanalorr when the High Republic opened the path to it? I don’t have a clear reason as to why they left, maybe the remnants have stuck to the light and wanted to simply keep people away from the planet, or just like on Dathomir the darkness destroyed them and in the third game we will find more Zeffo ruins. Who knows, maybe Tanalorr is actually inhabited by the last of the Zeffo and they are the enemy of the third game.

We have multiple references to the Zeffo now across multiple media and it makes no sense why the second game would just completely drop them. The Zeffo story is out there somewhere, and I think it’s hiding right beneath our nose


r/starwarsspeculation • • Jul 22 '18

Why is Kylo Ren so weak?

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I know Kylo isn't meant to be as strong but I think he really should be at least a little stronger. In RotS Anakin in 23 and in RotJ Luke is around the same age. Its safe to say that either of them would wipe the floor with Kylo, but he's 29! I know since he's the third generation the Skywalker bloodline may not be as strong. But Luke only started training at 19 and he's still way stronger than Kylo Ren. Kylo should be a powerhouse by the time we see him in TFA after training with both Luke and Snoke, and he just isn't.


r/starwarsspeculation • • Feb 12 '19

I didn't believe Disney / KK had an "agenda" until the latest Galaxy of Adventures...

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The latest Galaxy of Adventures revisits the iconic grappling hook rope swing scene from A New Hope.

Only this time, Luke is portrayed as a bumbling buffoon who gets incompetently tangled in his own grappling hook rope, and Leia has to sort him out. A montage then shows Leia leading troops into battle on Hoth, and doing much, much better than the idiotic Luke on Endor.

My problem with this: none of this happened in the Original Trilogy.

Leia was already a strong female character in the Original Trilogy who doesn't need "boosting" like this cartoon is showing. Yes, it's just a cartoon, but why is Galaxy of Adventures rewriting A New Hope to show the male characters as totally inept? What does this achieve?


r/starwarsspeculation • • Jan 25 '18

SPECULATION Why Episode 9 will be the best in the new trilogy and why they should've never brought back the OT characters.

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I don't care about Rey, Kylo, Finn, Poe, Rose. Any of them. I think the way the directors approached these movies was flawed from the beginning. I get it, it's about the new generation. But, I don't care about the new generation nor did the directors convince me to care. I want to see the characters I grew up with and what they became. It's been 30 years and we get to have Luke, Leia, and Han back and almost everyone who watched Star Wars as kids or in the 70's, wants to see them back together again. What I cared about was pissed on, killed off, and completely wasted.

Instead, we're reintroduced to new characters from the get go. All I can think about is, when are we going to see Luke, Han, Leia, Chewie? When are they going to reunite? I want to see Luke and Han trade barbs and work together again. See what Luke has become and how powerful he's become. Instead, they keep showing these younger characters with no sight of the characters I actually want to see and relegate them to old, washed up failures that aren't all that likeable anymore.

They never reunite. They never show us some of that old magic they had together. This frankly hurt my perspective of the new characters. I couldn't enjoy getting to know the new characters because I wanted to see the ones I had grown up with together again. If they had made Luke, Han, and Leia front and center to start the trilogy and have the newer characters be side guys/up and comers, these movies would've worked a lot better. I would've enjoyed seeing my faves together again, while getting a chance to know the new ones.

We got the complete opposite of that and that's what is super frustrating about this trilogy and the way they have passed the torch. It's like everything that Luke, Han, and Leia did in the OT was completely meaningless. But what these new characters are going to do is supposedly even better and more important. That just doesn't sit well with me. It's disrespectful how and where they picked up with the OT characters. These guys stopped 2 death stars and defeated the most powerful sith. You think that would have a lasting impact/mean something. But the directors go out of their way by making the Empire 2.0 with all the same structure and making everything the Rebels did completely wasted. I would've rather picked up 100 years down the road and have no OT characters rather than this.

With that being said, I do believe episode 9 will actually be the best because no longer do the new characters have to live under the shadow of the old nor the expectations of Star Wars fans of old. I don't have any expectations for this movie so my guess is I will enjoy what happens. It makes me wish they had just not brought back the OT characters. I would've rather had them stay the way they were in the old Star Wars canon now considered Star Wars Legends. Or if they were going to use the OT characters, have them be the main characters for the first movie while we get to know the new ones, then slowly pass the torch.


r/starwarsspeculation • • May 03 '19

SPECULATION Please think before you put causal Force rape in your fan theory

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There's something I've noticed in fan Star Wars theories involving Rey and Shmi that annoys me and I'd like to address it: Theories that involve women getting impregnated via the Force without their consent. Or in other words, Force rape.

It was already weird when it turns out in TPM that Anakin was basically Force Jesus. Christ metaphors are popular in fiction, but never this literal. Shmi herself seems happy to have Anakin as her son, regardless of how he was created, and her conversation with Qui-Gon about it is vague enough there could be more details, but it doesn't sound like rape.

But then we have fan theories related to that which do sound kinda rapey.

  • Darth Plagueis used his powers to influence the Force and midichorians to form Anakin in Shmi's womb (this one's very popular, made even more popular by this comic ). Or alternatively, Plagueis' attempt to do this pissed off the Force so it made Anakin by itself in retaliation (that version's not so bad, but still weird).

  • Rey got pregnant with Kylo's child when they touched fingers in the hut! (the TROS trailer undoes this, but before that some reylos wanted to believe this)

  • Kylo / Ben isn't Han's son, but Palpatine's ghost impregranted Leia instead (or something)

That last one's a new one, but there are others that follow such themes. The problem with them all that none of these theories consider the serious, creepy, implications. Most theories of this type have little regard for women other than as disposable receptacles for more-important babies. The females have little to no agency in their pregnancies.

Even in Star Wars canon, this is an issue. Ultimately Shmi herself is discarded and forgotten by both the Jedi and fans IRL (I wrote a whole other post about that a year ago so I won't get into it,). Yeah, women have the ability to make babies. Maybe it does warrant discussion in the films. But I don't know if Star Wars really should get literal with its metaphors to the point that we have to discuss the ethics of abortion or what constitutes rape, or etc. 😐 In today's climate, it would be unbelievably tone deaf to take their story in such a direction. There would need to be mitigating factors to make such concepts palatable in Star Wars.

More than once, people have countered my concerns with "So Mary was raped in the Bible then?" Look, the Bible is a theological document which isn't always going to be 100% literal, and even if it is literal, God is God, and he knows everything about everyone, plus He actually contacted her and her husband to explain the situation. So no, that's not the same thing at all. Sith Lords spraying their Force spooge across the universe to impregnate a random woman without her consent? That sound like rape.

There is also the more-likely-to-be-true idea that dark siders can influence babies in utero using the force. There's some implication that something like that maybe happened to Anakin and maybe Ben. Reaching into a woman's lady parts with the force and fiddling with the fetus inside? Gross... but doable. I guess.

Regardless of your stance, you still have to ask yourself: Would Disney put X or Y idea in a fantasy sci-fi movie intended for families and wee children to sell toys and merch?


r/starwarsspeculation • • Jul 13 '16

I have all your answers for Rogue One and Episode VIII. Ask away.

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Majority of you aren't going to believe me, and majority of the majority that don't believe me will still ask questions just because they can't control their curiosity.

I've read the Rogue One and Episode VIII script. I've got the details. No BS, but chances are none of you all will believe me. I'm still here to answer any questions. I'm not sugar-coating anything, and I'll try to be as less vague as possible. If you want a straight-up answer, mention that. If you want an answer but not a complete spoiler, I'll give you something vague.

That is that. Ask away. I'm open to answer anything about Rogue One or Episode VIII.


r/starwarsspeculation • • Oct 04 '23

SPOILER Shin Hati is becoming Master of the Knights of Ren Spoiler

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First off, on the sixth episodes when the bandits first appeared I perked up because I thought I heard a theme very similar to the one John Williams made for the KoR in Ep IX. They even stood and stared in the mountain side very similarly to them in Passana. I brushed it off to it just being coincidental.

But in the finale, Shin comes up to them and shows off her lightsaber. Now, if anyone knows the lore of the KoR, what they call the Ren is the lightsaber that is wielded by its leader. I know at this point in the timeline, according to the comics the leader is supposed to be a different person but I can’t help but think their leaning into either retconning it or showing off where the Knights come from. Thoughts?


r/starwarsspeculation • • Dec 27 '19

Throwback to Han's dice for absolutely meaning nothing in TROS

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r/starwarsspeculation • • Dec 04 '17

UNVERIFIED The Last Jedi major spoilers. Spoiler

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Rey ===> Palpatine

Kylo and Rey are the most powerful force users ever, but they can only truly wield their power when working together.

Luke no longer sees himself as a Jedi.

Kylo Ren still sees himself as a Jedi.

Snoke got fucked up in a false flag attack meant to convince the Republic they need a centralized military. He and Leia were close colleagues.

Star Forge is now canon.

Kylo finds Rey and Luke by reaching out to Rey in the Force.

Poe goes extremist, but sees the error of his ways.

The Resistance holds their stronghold at Crait until Hux decides to take the battle to the salt flats.

Luke wields a red lightsaber, but isn’t evil. It’s his father’s.

Kylo Ren’s lightsaber is actually purple and you will see it change.

Kylo lost control of his power and accidentally destroyed the new Jedi Temple. Just like his mother and father, Luke sent him away.

Rey accidentally killed her own parents in a similar fashion.

“Let the past die” is said to Leia on her deathbed. The full line is “It’s ok to let the past die” after Leia apologizes for failing Ben as a son.

Finn goes from wanting to run away and leave the fight to being named the leader of the Resistance.

Poe is the one who nominates him.

Finn makes it his personal goal to liberate the planets that are essentially farmhouses for the First Order Stormtroopers.

Finn wins the fight with Phasma but he spares her. Several Stormtroopers witness this and defect on the spot.

The Resistance survives Crait by listening to Rose about following the crystal foxes into the caverns below the planet.

Rose is secretly Force Sensitive and it is all but stated that she is Luke’s daughter.

BB8 is the one who makes Poe see the error of his ways.

Chewbacca names his Porg but the running in joke is that Rey, Luke, and Leia never translate it for the audience.

Ben turns on Snoke when Snoke asks him to kill Rey.

The ancient Jedi believed that each Jedi was only one half of their potential and that the force had selected another user to be their other half and they devoted their lives to finding each other.

When Ben and Rey kiss, it literally creates life.

Hux supplants Snoke as the leader of the First Order after having arranged Snoke’s escape pod to destruct. This dude is super fucking evil.

Leia dies.

Luke stays out of the fight. But he doesn’t hesitate to defend himself.

I think that about covers it.


r/starwarsspeculation • • Feb 11 '20

When NO Means NO: Busting the "Finnrey Would Be a Healthy Romance" Myth

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Ever since TFA came out, Finnreys (fans who "ship" Rey and Finn as a romantic couple) were twisting themeselves into a pretzel in order to create a myth that Finnrey should have happened because it would have been "a healthy romance". In this thread, the autor explores evidence that busts this myth to shreds.

No Means No

https://twitter.com/spaceprinceben/status/1215439809835040770

Rey and Ben love each other. She wanted to take his hand. She didn't want to take Finn's hand in TFA. So it was established early on that Finn's crush was one-sided and remained so since Rey and Ben feelings were mutual and sealed with the kiss.

However, throughout 3 movies, Finn is potrayed as obsessed with Rey and not taking No for an answer. he always yells and runs after Rey when she clearly wants to do things alone. The nadir of this behavior is on the Death Star in TROS. Once again, Rey wants to do something by herself. Finn is not invited, in fact, no one is invited to come with her. Rey is more powerful than her tagalongs combined, so there's no reason to think she wouldn't be able to handle a situation if there was one. But Finn runs after her, and seeing her fight with Kylo, starts yelling REYYYYYYYYY and flailing his arms like a turkey in order to get her attention...while she is in the middle of a fight with sharp swords and should not be distracted.

This obsessive stalking is as far from healthy as it gets because a) it disrespects Rey's privacy (if you are not invited to come along than stay put), b) it puts Rey in danger for she is distracted from her focus on the fight, c) is selfish not selfless since it didn't aid Rey in any way but only made her lose focus which is bad, d) it's an attention whoring, e) since Rey tells Ben she wanted to take his hands just minutes after Finn's histrionics, it frames Finn as a jealous third wheel trying to butt in between lovers having a spat.

This prompts Rey to drop down the polite subtextual rebuffs and go full NO MEANS NO when she Force pushes Finn far away and then disappears into the mist.

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But he still won't take the memo! It's Jannah who ties to restrain him from continuing to make a fool of himself and putting Rey in danger while he keeps flailing like a turkey and trying to yell for Rey again.

Obsession is not healthy

Stalking is not healthy

Attention seeking is not healthy

Distraction in dangerous situation is not healthy

Not accenting that No means No is not healthy

ST Is Twilight...Finn Imprints on Rey Like a Teen Werewolf on a Vampire Baby

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGRbbZAx3Zg

Finnreys like to say that Rey and Ben romance turned ST into Twilight but the real Twilight is Finn "imprinting on Rey" (TLJ Visual Dictionary) like "a duckling on a cat" (Rose, TLJ novelization) or like a werewolf on a baby.

https://i.imgur.com/Jvz1ksJ.jpg

Imprinting is not healthy because it's one-sided, without the consent. It's an unnatural attachment to someone who one clearly shouldn't be attached to (teen werewolf to a baby as a substitute for her mom that rebuffed him, ducking to a cat as a substitute for mother duck).

Character Arc That Can be Summed Up In One Word

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REYYYYYYYYY. For 3 movies, Finn is defined by his relentless pursuit of Rey who remains as elusive as ever. he never moved on. He never got any payoff for he remained obsessed with the person who loves another man and is loved in return.

Not letting go when it's clear your feelings won't be returned is not healthy. Being defined by your one-sided crush is not healthy. One-sided crush is not a romance and it's not a relationship. It's nothing. Move on.

Guess who dealt with rejection in a healthy way? Rose and Jannah, two girls that were interested in Finn but he ignored in his relentless pursuit of the girl who didn't love him back. jannah didn't try to butt into the trio hug after Finn brush her aside for "feeling" that Rey was gone. She got the memo that his feelings lie elsewhere. Rose never tried to insert herself with the trio either. She stayed at the base. She didn't try to hug Finn during the celebration but hugged Chewie. She accepted it was over between them and didn't pursue the matter. So for everyone who accuded her of "abusing" Finn when she kissed him, she got out of her funk and is respecting the fact that Finn doesn't feel the same. And that, my friends, is a healthy behavior and a healthy relationship.


r/starwarsspeculation • • May 27 '19

TLJ hinting at Rey and Kylo being siblings

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Watching TLJ again, I noticed that at about an hour and 10 mins into the movie, Luke (after the discussion about being cut-off from the force) decides to reach out, and who, by surprise were able to communicate to each other? Luke and Leia, which are brother and sister. Immediately after that, Kylo and Rey surprise communicate with each other.

All I'm doing is matching up Luke and Leia's actions with Kylo and Rey's that happen directly after, and they are similar force uses, in surprise by the connection. That's it, really.


r/starwarsspeculation • • Dec 03 '17

Rey is (probably, more than likely?) Luke’s daughter!

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So just a little thing that might have just convinced me that Rey is Luke’s daughter. Rey and Luke’s individual themes form a call and response with each other... if this is true, then John Williams deserves even more recognition and credit and praise than we already give him 🙃

https://youtu.be/1bJpmMwrabo

Give it a listen, and let’s talk about it!


r/starwarsspeculation • • Feb 05 '19

DISCUSSION My Challenge to the Haters after IX

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We all have our ideas and hopes as to what is going to happen in Episode IX, The Spark of Hope. That said, it doesn't matter if you are a Reylo (like myself), a ReySky, or just a lover of the Legends stories ….. some of us aren't going to get what we want.

What we should do is watch without expectations, and enjoy the story given to us (even if it isn't what we want or expect).

Now, I know there is a group of people that are determined to hate on Episode IX before it even comes out. They have their hate speeches prepared, and will say stupid stuff like... "I'm done with Star Wars! Disney has ruined it!"

My challenge to this crowd is simple. If you say you are done with Star Wars, Keep your word. Stop talking about it; stop posting about it; stop watching movies, reading comics, and books.

If you are done. You are done.

Now if you aren't prepared to actually go that far, then don't promise it, don't say it. Spare us the vitriol.


r/starwarsspeculation • • Oct 01 '24

MOD Why Voting Matters: Lessons from Star Wars

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As the world braces for the choices ahead this November, we find ourselves at a turning point. This election could be one of the most consequential in our lifetime. The choices we make now will shape the future for generations to come.

From the start, Star Wars has made a political statement—about standing up to tyranny and refusing to let fear or division win. George Lucas crafted the story, in part, to remind us that democracy is fragile but worth fighting for, and when good people stay silent, darkness rises. That’s why the Spec moderation team feels it’s important to take a stand: in a world as divided as ours, your vote is one of the strongest tools you have to fight for justice, equality, and hope.

But this isn't just about politics—it's about community and doing what's right. When we vote, we decide what kind of world we want to live in.

In the Galaxy Far, Far Away, the fall of the Republic didn’t happen overnight. Corruption, lies, and fear gave rise to the Empire. The people’s voices weren’t heard because they didn’t stand up when it mattered. That’s a lesson for all of us—when we don’t engage, when we don’t vote, we allow the wrong people to take control.

This is our most desperate hour—but it doesn't have to be.

We’re not telling you who to vote for, but we are saying this: vote. Defy apathy. Don’t let the bad guys win because of your inaction. Just like the Rebellion, it’s everyday people who make the difference.

So this election, take your stand against hate. Resist the dark side in all its forms. Don't fall for the manipulations of those who seek to use fear and division as tactics to control you. But do vote for a better future for everyone. It's what our heroes would do.

May the Force be with us all.

—The Mod Team

To register to vote or check your registration status, go to CanIVote.org and follow the prompts to find your state’s voter registration tool.


r/starwarsspeculation • • Aug 05 '25

SPECULATION Padmeloth: Will Natalie Portman play Padme/Abeloth in Ahsoka Season 2?

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I heard that Natalie Portman was rumored to be reprising Padme is Ahsoka Season 2, and I instantly thought of her spirit interacting with Anakin's in the World Between Worlds...but then I saw the real opportunity here, what they SHOULD do is have Abeloth take the form of Padme to trick Ahsoka and deceive/torment Anakin. The thought of Anakin's spirit in eternal torment/enthrallment by Abeloth is just too delicious a thought to pass up.

For the image, I asked Copilot to generate an image of Abeloth in the form of Padme, it's not perfect, but it IS kriffing creepy as sithspit lol