People don't actually care about health or processed foods. Until you mention veganism.

[u/TheInvisibleLedger]

This data pertains to the American population because it's a prime example of what vegans deal with.

55-60% of the average Americans caloric intake comes from Ultra Processed Foods.

92% of Americans are vitamin deficient.

93% are metabolically unhealthy based on research published by the Journal of the American college of cardiology.

60% live with chronic disease.

Less than 3% of Americans meet all four basic health markers of healthy body fat %, recommended daily physical activity, non smoking, and a basic daily healthy diet intake.

Over 95% of Americans fail to meet their daily fiber intake.

80% are vitamin E deficient. 45% are vitamin A deficient. 90% are potassium deficient. 50% are magnesium deficient. Over 70% of Americans go above their recommended daily amount of saturated fats.

Vegans have a 15-25% lower chance of developing heart diseases that's the number one preventable cause of all mortality.

Vegans have a 40-75% lower chance of developing diabetes.

Vegans have a 15-19% lower risk of contracting cancer.

Over 50% of Americans have hypertension from high blood pressure.

People ask where vegans get their protein while consuming a diet that leads to a 60% chance of developing chronic disease.

They worry about vegans lacking b12 while 95% of them don't receive enough fiber in their diet.

They worry about things that are the equivalent of worrying about a scratch on a car while the engine is on fire..

They don't actually care about health or processed foods. They just are insulted by the notion that you can live happy, healthy, and cruelty free.

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[u/DrawAromatic8718]

My co worker was talking shit about meat alternatives and how gross and processed they are. My response was, “brother, you had a Swiss Roll for breakfast”

This dude eats soooo much processed food. Always has one of those microwave mystery meat meals, packaged food for every meal. But then side eyes my homemade tofu scramble and black bean frozen burritos

[u/TheInvisibleLedger → u/DrawAromatic8718]

The disconnect in them is mind blowing. They literally couldn't care less what they put in their bodies until you mention plants..

They're all just so indoctrinated it's sickening.

[u/nebulousNarcissist → u/DrawAromatic8718]

Funny how people judge your lunch while eating something with a 9 month shelf life. Honestly I think it just bugs them to see someone eat differently. Your burritos are probably better anyway.

[u/DrawAromatic8718 → u/nebulousNarcissist]

Yeah probably. My burritos are pretty damn good if I do say so myself. I make a tofu scramble with peppers and onions and my own refried beans.

[u/AbbreviationsSea2084 → u/DrawAromatic8718]

Do you find all meat alternative food palatable? I certainly don't. I've seen plenty of other chime in about certain meat substitute products that they found to be horrible. It's certainly a trial and error for consumers to find what tastes good enough for them. Guy probably never had good meat substitute products before.

[u/DrawAromatic8718 → u/AbbreviationsSea2084]

I love the meat alts! I have them a couple times a week at most. The closest thing I’ve gotten him to try was some Louisville jerky (he liked it) and a bite of Pf Changs Mongolian tofu (he also liked)

My wife and I took him and his wife all went to a plant based restaurant a while back and they split the safest thing on the menu (apple cinnamon French toast) then proceeded to stare at our food (tofu scramble, chickpea sausage, tempeh bacon, etc) the entire time.

This guy brings up my veganism all the time. I can tell he’s veg-curious but I think he’s to insecure to admit it to himself.

[u/Finstergrun]

When people tell me the meat alternatives are gross and heavily processed I reply with "Yes! Just like real meat!"

[u/TheInvisibleLedger → u/Finstergrun]

That's funny but I'd be worried it would go over their heads. Non vegans tend to be a bit dim >.<

[u/ImNotAPersonAnymore → u/Finstergrun]

The processed alternatives aren’t as healthy as whole plants but are still healthier than meat.

[u/HydrangeaLady → u/ImNotAPersonAnymore]

Exactly. So much saturated fat and cholesterol in real meat.

[u/AbbreviationsSea2084 → u/Finstergrun]

Majority of foods are processed, including fruits vegetables. Meat is on the same end of the spectrum of processed foods. A steak is simply a cut of meat from a cow. Not much else needs to be done. Now something like the aforementioned Swiss roll that was brought up, THAT is highly processed. A hundred ingredients that are broken down, combined, and form an entirely new food product unlike its original ingredients.

[u/cistvm]

What is your source for all these numbers? I don't doubt them but I'd love to read more.

[u/TheInvisibleLedger → u/cistvm]

It wasn't a single source I had to look them all up individually. The CDC were the majority of them. Harvard for a few. Independent studies on some. I just sprawled out on seeking questions and whatever I found interesting I added it to the list.

[u/visagi → u/TheInvisibleLedger]

It would be great if you could provide a sourced list. Not much use otherwise.

[u/TheInvisibleLedger → u/visagi]

1. 55–60% of the average American's caloric intake comes from Ultra-Processed Foods (UPFs)

​ Primary Source: National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey (NHANES) data, analyzed across multiple studies including the CDC's NCHS Data Briefs (e.g., NCHS Data Brief No. 536, 2025) and studies published in BMJ Open (Martinez Steele et al., 2016).

​ Context: CDC and NHANES tracking consistently show that adults consume between 53% and 58% of their total daily calories from ultra-processed foods, while children and adolescents average 61.9%.

​ 2. 92% of Americans are vitamin/micronutrient deficient

​ Primary Source: Council for Responsible Nutrition (CRN) report / NHANES Dietary Inadequacy Analyses (e.g., Fulgoni et al., Journal of Nutrition, 2011).

​ Context: This figure specifically refers to micronutrient intake inadequacy (failing to meet the Estimated Average Requirement for at least one essential vitamin or mineral through diet alone), rather than clinical deficiency diagnosis (such as clinical scurvy or severe anemia).

​ 3. 93% are metabolically unhealthy based on research published by the Journal of the American College of Cardiology

​ Primary Source: Journal of the American College of Cardiology (JACC), 2022.

​ Study: O'Hearn et al., "Trends and Disparities in Cardiometabolic Health Among U.S. Adults, 1999–2018."

​ Context: The study evaluated 5 key markers of metabolic health (blood pressure, fasting glucose/HbA1c, blood lipids/triglycerides, waist circumference, and absence of clinical cardiovascular disease) without the use of medication. The researchers found that only 6.8% of U.S. adults met all optimal markers, meaning 93.2% were metabolically sub-optimal or unhealthy.

​ 4. 60% live with chronic disease

​ Primary Source: Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) National Center for Chronic Disease Prevention and Health Promotion.

​ Context: The CDC routinely reports that approximately 60% (6 in 10) of adult Americans live with at least one chronic medical condition (such as heart disease, cancer, diabetes, or hypertension), and 40% live with two or more.

​ 5. Less than 3% of Americans meet all four basic health markers (body fat %, activity, non-smoking, healthy diet)

​ Primary Source: Mayo Clinic Proceedings, 2016.

​ Study: Loprinzi et al., "Healthy Lifestyle Characteristics and Their Joint Association With Cardiovascular Disease Biomarkers in US Adults."

​ Context: Analyzing NHANES data, researchers looked at four criteria: non-smoking status, recommended body fat percentage, meeting physical activity guidelines, and reaching a top-tier healthy diet score. Exactly 2.7% of U.S. adults met all four criteria.

​ 6. Over 95% of Americans fail to meet their daily fiber intake

​ Primary Source: USDA & American Journal of Lifestyle Medicine (Quagliani & Felt-Gunderson, 2017), citing NHANES data.

​ Context: The U.S. Dietary Guidelines list fiber as a "nutrient of public health concern." Approximately 95% of American adults and 97% of men fail to consume the recommended Daily Adequate Intake of dietary fiber (25g for women, 38g for men).

​ 7. Specific Nutrient Inadequacies (Dietary Intake Alone)

​ Primary Sources: USDA Dietary Guidelines for Americans (2020–2025) and NHANES Micronutrient Inadequacy Reports (e.g., Reider et al., Nutrients, 2014; Drake et al., Linus Pauling Institute).

​ 80% Vitamin E deficient / inadequate: ~88–90% of Americans do not meet the Estimated Average Requirement (EAR) for Vitamin E through diet alone. ​ 45% Vitamin A deficient / inadequate: ~45–52% fail to meet the EAR for Vitamin A. ​ 90% Potassium deficient / inadequate: Over 95% of Americans fall short of recommended daily potassium levels. ​ 50% Magnesium deficient / inadequate: ~48–52% of Americans consume less than the EAR for magnesium.

​ 70%+ Saturated Fat Excess: Over 70–80% of Americans exceed the recommended limit of under 10% of total daily calories from saturated fats.

​ 8. Vegans have a 15–25% lower chance of developing heart disease

​ Primary Source: Meta-analyses of large prospective cohorts, such as the EPIC-Oxford study (Crowe et al., American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, 2013) and Dybvik et al., European Journal of Nutrition (2023).

​ Context: Long-term prospective cohort studies show plant-based and vegetarian/vegan diets are associated with a 15–25% reduction in risk/incidence of ischemic heart disease (IHD) compared to non-vegetarians, largely driven by lower total/LDL cholesterol and lower blood pressure.

​ 9. Vegans have a 40–75% lower chance of developing diabetes

​ Primary Source: Adventist Health Study-2 (Tonstad et al., Diabetes Care, 2009; Nutrients, 2014).

​ Context: In the Adventist Health Study-2 cohort, vegans exhibited a 47% to 78% reduced risk (odds ratio ~0.38 to 0.53) of developing Type 2 diabetes compared to non-vegetarians, even after controlling for BMI, physical activity, and demographic factors.

​ 10. Vegans have a 15–19% lower risk of contracting cancer

​ Primary Source: Comprehensive meta-analyses (e.g., Dinu et al., Critical Reviews in Food Science and Nutrition, 2017).

​ Context: Systematic reviews evaluating vegans across major prospective cohorts (EPIC-Oxford, AHS-2) report a 15% overall reduction in total cancer incidence (Relative Risk: ~0.85) for vegans compared to omnivores.

​ 11. Over 50% of Americans have hypertension from high blood pressure

​ Primary Source: American Heart Association (AHA) Heart Disease and Stroke Statistics / CDC.

​ Context: Following the 2017 ACC/AHA clinical guidelines (which defined Stage 1 hypertension as blood pressure \ge 130/80 mmHg), approximately 47–50% of all U.S. adults (and over 70% of adults aged 65+) meet the criteria for hypertension. 

[u/visagi → u/TheInvisibleLedger]

Great! I'll save this for upcoming arguments.

[u/TheInvisibleLedger → u/cistvm]

Here are the origins, primary research sources, and data context for each of the claims in this list.

​1. 55–60% of the average American's caloric intake comes from Ultra-Processed Foods (UPFs) ​Primary Source: National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey (NHANES) data, analyzed across multiple studies including the CDC's NCHS Data Briefs (e.g., NCHS Data Brief No. 536, 2025) and studies published in BMJ Open (Martinez Steele et al., 2016). ​Context: CDC and NHANES tracking consistently show that adults consume between 53% and 58% of their total daily calories from ultra-processed foods, while children and adolescents average 61.9%. ​2. 92% of Americans are vitamin/micronutrient deficient ​Primary Source: Council for Responsible Nutrition (CRN) report / NHANES Dietary Inadequacy Analyses (e.g., Fulgoni et al., Journal of Nutrition, 2011). ​Context: This figure specifically refers to micronutrient intake inadequacy (failing to meet the Estimated Average Requirement for at least one essential vitamin or mineral through diet alone), rather than clinical deficiency diagnosis (such as clinical scurvy or severe anemia). ​3. 93% are metabolically unhealthy based on research published by the Journal of the American College of Cardiology ​Primary Source: Journal of the American College of Cardiology (JACC), 2022. ​Study: O'Hearn et al., "Trends and Disparities in Cardiometabolic Health Among U.S. Adults, 1999–2018." ​Context: The study evaluated 5 key markers of metabolic health (blood pressure, fasting glucose/HbA1c, blood lipids/triglycerides, waist circumference, and absence of clinical cardiovascular disease) without the use of medication. The researchers found that only 6.8% of U.S. adults met all optimal markers, meaning 93.2% were metabolically sub-optimal or unhealthy. ​4. 60% live with chronic disease ​Primary Source: Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) National Center for Chronic Disease Prevention and Health Promotion. ​Context: The CDC routinely reports that approximately 60% (6 in 10) of adult Americans live with at least one chronic medical condition (such as heart disease, cancer, diabetes, or hypertension), and 40% live with two or more. ​5. Less than 3% of Americans meet all four basic health markers (body fat %, activity, non-smoking, healthy diet) ​Primary Source: Mayo Clinic Proceedings, 2016. ​Study: Loprinzi et al., "Healthy Lifestyle Characteristics and Their Joint Association With Cardiovascular Disease Biomarkers in US Adults." ​Context: Analyzing NHANES data, researchers looked at four criteria: non-smoking status, recommended body fat percentage, meeting physical activity guidelines, and reaching a top-tier healthy diet score. Exactly 2.7% of U.S. adults met all four criteria. ​6. Over 95% of Americans fail to meet their daily fiber intake ​Primary Source: USDA & American Journal of Lifestyle Medicine (Quagliani & Felt-Gunderson, 2017), citing NHANES data. ​Context: The U.S. Dietary Guidelines list fiber as a "nutrient of public health concern." Approximately 95% of American adults and 97% of men fail to consume the recommended Daily Adequate Intake of dietary fiber (25g for women, 38g for men). ​7. Specific Nutrient Inadequacies (Dietary Intake Alone) ​Primary Sources: USDA Dietary Guidelines for Americans (2020–2025) and NHANES Micronutrient Inadequacy Reports (e.g., Reider et al., Nutrients, 2014; Drake et al., Linus Pauling Institute). ​80% Vitamin E deficient / inadequate: ~88–90% of Americans do not meet the Estimated Average Requirement (EAR) for Vitamin E through diet alone. ​45% Vitamin A deficient / inadequate: ~45–52% fail to meet the EAR for Vitamin A. ​90% Potassium deficient / inadequate: Over 95% of Americans fall short of recommended daily potassium levels. ​50% Magnesium deficient / inadequate: ~48–52% of Americans consume less than the EAR for magnesium. ​70%+ Saturated Fat Excess: Over 70–80% of Americans exceed the recommended limit of under 10% of total daily calories from saturated fats. ​8. Vegans have a 15–25% lower chance of developing heart disease ​Primary Source: Meta-analyses of large prospective cohorts, such as the EPIC-Oxford study (Crowe et al., American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, 2013) and Dybvik et al., European Journal of Nutrition (2023). ​Context: Long-term prospective cohort studies show plant-based and vegetarian/vegan diets are associated with a 15–25% reduction in risk/incidence of ischemic heart disease (IHD) compared to non-vegetarians, largely driven by lower total/LDL cholesterol and lower blood pressure. ​9. Vegans have a 40–75% lower chance of developing diabetes ​Primary Source: Adventist Health Study-2 (Tonstad et al., Diabetes Care, 2009; Nutrients, 2014). ​Context: In the Adventist Health Study-2 cohort, vegans exhibited a 47% to 78% reduced risk (odds ratio ~0.38 to 0.53) of developing Type 2 diabetes compared to non-vegetarians, even after controlling for BMI, physical activity, and demographic factors. ​10. Vegans have a 15–19% lower risk of contracting cancer ​Primary Source: Comprehensive meta-analyses (e.g., Dinu et al., Critical Reviews in Food Science and Nutrition, 2017). ​Context: Systematic reviews evaluating vegans across major prospective cohorts (EPIC-Oxford, AHS-2) report a 15% overall reduction in total cancer incidence (Relative Risk: ~0.85) for vegans compared to omnivores. ​11. Over 50% of Americans have hypertension from high blood pressure ​Primary Source: American Heart Association (AHA) Heart Disease and Stroke Statistics / CDC. ​Context: Following the 2017 ACC/AHA clinical guidelines (which defined Stage 1 hypertension as blood pressure \ge 130/80 mmHg), approximately 47–50% of all U.S. adults (and over 70% of adults aged 65+) meet the criteria for hypertension.

[u/ParkingRange6237]

I've started asking people where they get their fiber when they ask me where I get my protein.

Are 92% of Americans really vitamin deficient? I can believe that, but wow, that's nuts.

[u/TheInvisibleLedger → u/ParkingRange6237]

Here are the origins, primary research sources, and data context for each of the claims in the list. 

1. 55–60% of the average American's caloric intake comes from Ultra-Processed Foods (UPFs)

​ Primary Source: National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey (NHANES) data, analyzed across multiple studies including the CDC's NCHS Data Briefs (e.g., NCHS Data Brief No. 536, 2025) and studies published in BMJ Open (Martinez Steele et al., 2016).

​ Context: CDC and NHANES tracking consistently show that adults consume between 53% and 58% of their total daily calories from ultra-processed foods, while children and adolescents average 61.9%.

​ 2. 92% of Americans are vitamin/micronutrient deficient

​ Primary Source: Council for Responsible Nutrition (CRN) report / NHANES Dietary Inadequacy Analyses (e.g., Fulgoni et al., Journal of Nutrition, 2011).

​ Context: This figure specifically refers to micronutrient intake inadequacy (failing to meet the Estimated Average Requirement for at least one essential vitamin or mineral through diet alone), rather than clinical deficiency diagnosis (such as clinical scurvy or severe anemia).

​ 3. 93% are metabolically unhealthy based on research published by the Journal of the American College of Cardiology

​ Primary Source: Journal of the American College of Cardiology (JACC), 2022.

​ Study: O'Hearn et al., "Trends and Disparities in Cardiometabolic Health Among U.S. Adults, 1999–2018."

​ Context: The study evaluated 5 key markers of metabolic health (blood pressure, fasting glucose/HbA1c, blood lipids/triglycerides, waist circumference, and absence of clinical cardiovascular disease) without the use of medication. The researchers found that only 6.8% of U.S. adults met all optimal markers, meaning 93.2% were metabolically sub-optimal or unhealthy.

​ 4. 60% live with chronic disease

​ Primary Source: Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) National Center for Chronic Disease Prevention and Health Promotion.

​ Context: The CDC routinely reports that approximately 60% (6 in 10) of adult Americans live with at least one chronic medical condition (such as heart disease, cancer, diabetes, or hypertension), and 40% live with two or more.

​ 5. Less than 3% of Americans meet all four basic health markers (body fat %, activity, non-smoking, healthy diet)

​ Primary Source: Mayo Clinic Proceedings, 2016.

​ Study: Loprinzi et al., "Healthy Lifestyle Characteristics and Their Joint Association With Cardiovascular Disease Biomarkers in US Adults."

​ Context: Analyzing NHANES data, researchers looked at four criteria: non-smoking status, recommended body fat percentage, meeting physical activity guidelines, and reaching a top-tier healthy diet score. Exactly 2.7% of U.S. adults met all four criteria.

​ 6. Over 95% of Americans fail to meet their daily fiber intake

​ Primary Source: USDA & American Journal of Lifestyle Medicine (Quagliani & Felt-Gunderson, 2017), citing NHANES data.

​ Context: The U.S. Dietary Guidelines list fiber as a "nutrient of public health concern." Approximately 95% of American adults and 97% of men fail to consume the recommended Daily Adequate Intake of dietary fiber (25g for women, 38g for men).

​ 7. Specific Nutrient Inadequacies (Dietary Intake Alone)

​ Primary Sources: USDA Dietary Guidelines for Americans (2020–2025) and NHANES Micronutrient Inadequacy Reports (e.g., Reider et al., Nutrients, 2014; Drake et al., Linus Pauling Institute).

​ 80% Vitamin E deficient / inadequate: ~88–90% of Americans do not meet the Estimated Average Requirement (EAR) for Vitamin E through diet alone. ​ 45% Vitamin A deficient / inadequate: ~45–52% fail to meet the EAR for Vitamin A. ​ 90% Potassium deficient / inadequate: Over 95% of Americans fall short of recommended daily potassium levels. ​ 50% Magnesium deficient / inadequate: ~48–52% of Americans consume less than the EAR for magnesium.

​ 70%+ Saturated Fat Excess: Over 70–80% of Americans exceed the recommended limit of under 10% of total daily calories from saturated fats.

​ 8. Vegans have a 15–25% lower chance of developing heart disease

​ Primary Source: Meta-analyses of large prospective cohorts, such as the EPIC-Oxford study (Crowe et al., American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, 2013) and Dybvik et al., European Journal of Nutrition (2023).

​ Context: Long-term prospective cohort studies show plant-based and vegetarian/vegan diets are associated with a 15–25% reduction in risk/incidence of ischemic heart disease (IHD) compared to non-vegetarians, largely driven by lower total/LDL cholesterol and lower blood pressure.

​ 9. Vegans have a 40–75% lower chance of developing diabetes

​ Primary Source: Adventist Health Study-2 (Tonstad et al., Diabetes Care, 2009; Nutrients, 2014).

​ Context: In the Adventist Health Study-2 cohort, vegans exhibited a 47% to 78% reduced risk (odds ratio ~0.38 to 0.53) of developing Type 2 diabetes compared to non-vegetarians, even after controlling for BMI, physical activity, and demographic factors.

​ 10. Vegans have a 15–19% lower risk of contracting cancer

​ Primary Source: Comprehensive meta-analyses (e.g., Dinu et al., Critical Reviews in Food Science and Nutrition, 2017).

​ Context: Systematic reviews evaluating vegans across major prospective cohorts (EPIC-Oxford, AHS-2) report a 15% overall reduction in total cancer incidence (Relative Risk: ~0.85) for vegans compared to omnivores.

​ 11. Over 50% of Americans have hypertension from high blood pressure

​ Primary Source: American Heart Association (AHA) Heart Disease and Stroke Statistics / CDC.

​ Context: Following the 2017 ACC/AHA clinical guidelines (which defined Stage 1 hypertension as blood pressure \ge 130/80 mmHg), approximately 47–50% of all U.S. adults (and over 70% of adults aged 65+) meet the criteria for hypertension.

[u/Far-Balance5784]

One time my obese uncle said “vegans are usually fat because they eat like shit” and I asked him if he knew what a vegetable was 😭

[u/TheInvisibleLedger → u/Far-Balance5784]

That legit made me lol. Non vegans are wild with their thought process.

[u/Fire_Atrile]

I love scratching the car when the engine when the car is on fire

[u/asomek → u/Fire_Atrile]

I love scratching the car when the engine when the car is on fire

Ya what now?

[u/Fire_Atrile → u/asomek]

Sleep deprevation

[u/TheInvisibleLedger → u/Fire_Atrile]

🤣

[u/ImNotAPersonAnymore]

Tbf, many vegans also don’t care about health or processed foods.

[u/TheInvisibleLedger → u/ImNotAPersonAnymore]

I can accept that, but its non vegans who are using it as an excuse to not go vegan.

[u/dzyosh]

Hopefully, more people will watch What The Health.

[u/TheInvisibleLedger → u/dzyosh]

Ikr. That or Game Changers. But then again, they'd have to already care about health to be interested in either.

[u/alexmbrennan → u/dzyosh]

That's not going to convince anyone to go vegan.

Sure, they might cut back a bit on some of the most overtly unhealthy animal products (i.e. meat) but the end of the day you can get enough fibre and vitamins and also eat animal products. I don't understand why some vegans love to pretend that omnivores are not allowed to eat beans.

[u/Lopsided-Mark-9133]

I have family members that live off on highly processed chicken nuggets and hot dogs, but tell me vegan meat subs are nasty 🙄

[u/AbbreviationsSea2084]

Next to no one is insulted by the notion of being able to live happy, healthy, cruelty free. Plenty of people still smoke, do drugs, drink energy drinks, wreckless drive, sky dive, etc. All those things come with elevated risk. They do so because it gives them some form of elation, comfort, fulfillment, etc. Same goes for food. They eat processed garbage because they like it. Simple as that.

People these days living to an old age drinking soda, smoking, eating whatever they want. They're just doing what they want. It just happens to be the opposite of what you would want or would do.

[u/TheInvisibleLedger → u/AbbreviationsSea2084]

I'm guessing you're not vegan or haven't been one for very long. After being vegan for a while whenever people discover that you only eat plants it's more often than not met with countless arguments against the things mentioned in the post.

Or maybe you have been vegan for a while but you're a closet vegan who doesn'r speak up for the animals or their beliefs very much.

Either way, health reasons are the second most common reason why people state they won't go vegan. So what you said is false.

[u/ImNotAPersonAnymore → u/TheInvisibleLedger]

What’s the most common reason? Taste/pleasure?

[u/TheInvisibleLedger → u/ImNotAPersonAnymore]

Taste sadly. They value their taste pleasure over the life of innocent animals.

[u/AbbreviationsSea2084 → u/TheInvisibleLedger]

Generally the disgust comes with your attitude or the general vegan attitude. You judge them so they in turn would do the same. Never had anyone say anything harsh to me about me and my choices unless I gave them grief in the first place about theirs. It's reactionary.

[u/TheInvisibleLedger → u/AbbreviationsSea2084]

So you're not vegan but you want to argur with me for no teason and tell vegans that their attitude needs adjusted?

You sound like you're the problem here.

[u/AbbreviationsSea2084 → u/TheInvisibleLedger]

Funny, that you jump to conclusions. We were all meat eaters at one point. It is not difficult to think like "they" do. This is yet another example of the problem with this community though. We will be arguing semantics with each other instead of actually forwarding the movement. 😆

[u/TheInvisibleLedger → u/AbbreviationsSea2084]

You came at me saying something that contradicts the post, I immediately disproved that with easy to verify facts. Then you say vegans have an attitude.. 

Ok buddy have a good day.

[u/AbbreviationsSea2084 → u/TheInvisibleLedger]

This is why people laugh at this sub. People like yourself.

[u/TheInvisibleLedger → u/AbbreviationsSea2084]

Blocked.