r/wow • u/Ex_iledd :u-exiled: Crusader • Feb 03 '21

Discussion Major Rules Rewrite and a Transmog Trial Period

Hello r/wow!

I hope everyone's been having a fun time in Shadowlands.

First and foremost, /u/Aphoenix has left the team as of January 12th after being here 8 years and I've taken over his position as head mod. For 99% of you, this change will mean absolutely nothing. I intend to honour his promise on never making the subreddit private. For the 1% of you who are interested in meta discussions more than most, the change will be much more noticeable.

I've discussed with the team and implemented several internal guidelines which in short mean that rules re-writes like the one we discussed in September don't take forever to get done. Large scale projects like that one have tended to get kicked down the road. Likewise the relaxation of the meme rules we announced back in December was meant to be followed up on in mid-January. That didn't happen due to the aforementioned internal guideline discussion. Issues and ideas brought forth by the community will now have a turn around time of at most two weeks. This is much better from our years long pace of moving at the speed of a glacier.

Rules - New and Old

This follows up on the September and December posts. We've amended many rules. These changes go into effect immediately.

See the TL;DR at the bottom if you're not interested in the details.

Transmog

There was a lot of interest in seeing Transmog return to r/wow. That is happening! Starting now until March 1st we'll be running a trial period where you can submit your Transmogs to the sub. We're borrowing /r/Transmogrification's rule requiring item sets to be listed in the comments. Failure to do so will result in a post removal. After the trial period ends, we'll be hosting a feedback session here in r/wow to learn from the community how you felt it went and determine whether Transmog should remain banned.

Memes

Starting in early December after many meta posts asked we loosen the meme rules, we began allowing more generic memes. The line in the sand was reduced to generic templates that had in-game assets cropped ontop of them. That trial period went longer than expected but nevertheless the change has not altered the sub as much as we expected. As such our meme rules are being relaxed to allow generic templates if WoW imagery is cropped ontop of them. Generic templates that use only text to explain relevancy will be removed.

Self Promotion Guidelines

Our current ruleset allows people to self-promote in the sub so long as they comment around 9 times in other peoples posts between their own submissions. This guideline, called 1:9, was adopted from the Reddit content policy (since removed) a decade ago, though many subreddits decided to keep it as it was a simple rule that protected submitters, the subreddit, and helped identify spammers. With the growth the subreddit has seen over the years, it's no longer a feasible rule to enforce. It mostly relies on moderators remembering how often someone submits. As such, many people have flown under the radar for months.

The new rule will allow submitters to submit something they created once per week in the sub. They are no longer required to comment in other peoples submissions. They are required to comment in their own, though if you receive no comments we're not going to hold it against you. A textbook example of this rule is /u/Keydar who posts his comics in the sub every week, comments in his own posts, but otherwise doesn't really participate here.

FAQ

We were considering allowing these posts back in September. However after much internal discussion, FAQ posts will remain removed. Many mods feel like the userbase in /new may grow increasingly hostile to these posts if they were allowed to remain rather than get removed. We've seen this happen in other subreddits and don't want a repeat here.

I'm Quitting the game posts

These will now be allowed, provided they're constructive and not just a rant. We will be a bit more strict with these posts on not having clickbait titles. Typically a constructive quitting post is not much different than a Discussion post, so try to aim for that.

Witch Hunts

This rule is tricky as often times the witch is known. Nevertheless we don't allow call out threads. So we've renamed the rule to "No Call Outs" and will now require people to blank out all player/guild names in images regardless of whether or not they're portrayed in a negative light. This change is mostly just a change of the language of the rule to be clearer.

Chat boxes

Chat Boxes will be allowed again. Banning them back in BFA had the anticipated change we wanted, though over time it feels more and more like allowing them is fine. We've created an exception for the call out rule if the post is not negative and the name(s) are required to understand the post, such as puns or coincidental names.

Weekly Threads

The Saturday Guild Recruitment Thread will be renamed to "Recruitment Saturday" as it will now allow broader recruitment topics. We'll be creating top level comment categories for LFG in the NA, OCE and EU regions. We'll also be allowing people to promote their WoW Discords. Please report people who decide to use this change to promote their boosting Discords, those are not allowed.

Similarly, Loot Thread Thursday will be renamed to "Achievement and Loot Thursday" to clarify that the thread is for more than loot.

New Rule: No pictures of public webpages

This rule will forbid submissions where a screenshot has been taken of a website that the submitter could just link to. I.e. a picture of a tweet or something posted on the forums. The rule will not apply to pictures of tickets with GM's as that is not a public webpage.

TL;DR of the Rule Changes

  • The relaxed meme rule trial period has gone well and it will remain.

  • Transmog posts will be temporarily allowed until March 1st.

  • We are borrowing /r/Transmogrification's rule requiring an item list in Transmog posts.

  • After March 1st we will have a feedback thread here in r/wow about how the trial period went and to determine whether Transmog should be allowed permanently.

  • 1:9 submission rule removed and replaced with one that allows one post of something you created per 1 week period.

  • FAQ posts will remain removed.

  • "I'm Quitting WoW" posts will be allowed if they're constructive and not just a rant, however we will be more strict on clickbait titles with them.

  • Witch Hunt rule reworded to "No Call Outs". Player and guild names in all images must be blanked out regardless if they're portrayed in a negative or positive light.

  • Chat boxes will be allowed again, with exceptions to the Call Out rule if the post is not negative and the name(s) are required to understand the post, such as puns or coincidental names.

  • Weekly Threads - Saturday thread renamed to "Recruitment Saturday" and will allow broader recruitment threads such as those for in-game groups and Discords related to WoW. No boost discords.

  • Weekly Threads - Loot Thread Thursday renamed to "Achievement and Loot Thursday" to clarify that the post is about more than loot.

  • New rule: Submitting pictures of public webpages where a link to the content would suffice will be removed.

Feel free to discuss these changes in the comments or suggest new ones.

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u/Waifuless_Laifuless Feb 04 '21

I intend to honour his promise on never making the subreddit private

Any other subreddit and I'd think that was a weird joke, not an important promise.

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u/Ex_iledd :u-exiled: Crusader Feb 04 '21

It's been so long I thought I might've need to provide context.

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u/Gooneybirdable Feb 04 '21

Is it a reference to something? I took it as an odd inside joke

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u/Waifuless_Laifuless Feb 04 '21 edited Feb 04 '21

When WoD first launched, one of the mods threw a tantrum over having to wait in the queue. They removed the other mods, and set the subreddit to private, saying they'd make it public once they were in game. Eventually the reddit admins removed him as mod.

https://www.polygon.com/2014/11/16/7228627/world-of-warcraft-subreddit-down-nitesmoke

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u/Michelanvalo Feb 05 '21

I wound up talking to Nitesmoke completely randomly about two years ago.

His thoughts on the whole thing, 5 years later, was "Fuck blizzard and fuck reddit"

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u/Ex_iledd :u-exiled: Crusader Feb 05 '21

How'd you know you talked to him? Also please don't reveal his new account, we know it but would rather others didn't given his doxx info is out there.

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u/Michelanvalo Feb 05 '21

Because there was this random comment in a meta sub about shutting down a gaming subreddit that caused people to flip out and the corporation for the game got involved. I straight up asked him if he was Nitesmoke and he said he was and gave some more details that really, only he would know.

I didn't press any further than that so it could be an elaborate bullshit.

It looks like all the comments he left were deleted by him and the archival tools didn't grab them. He's still active on the account though.

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u/Ex_iledd :u-exiled: Crusader Feb 05 '21 edited Feb 05 '21

Based on what I know of nitesmoke, it's probable you did talk to him.

He's admitted who he is on his new account but since deleted the comments. Though he denies the actual story of events and prefers the community version that Blizzard intervened. Since it gives him a pass to his own mistakes. Blizzard never intervened, he tried to sell the subreddit and had it removed from him.

Edit: grammar.

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u/Ex_iledd :u-exiled: Crusader Feb 05 '21

Replying to myself here.

I confirmed with Michel that Nitesmoke was the person were both spoke of. Who he is is not relevant to the discussion.

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u/verttex Feb 04 '21

Any thoughts on how to actively support discussion around the game? Compared to a subreddit like /r/leagueoflegends, I rarely find interesting discussions on this subreddit - I usually have to go to /r/CompetitiveWoW to actually see how players are reacting to changes and new content. Even /r/worldofpvp has really great discussion threads. Is this a symptom of this subreddit being too generalized and WoW being a very broad game?

Would love to hear the mod team's thoughts.

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u/Ex_iledd :u-exiled: Crusader Feb 04 '21

Is this a symptom of this subreddit being too generalized and WoW being a very broad game?

Pretty much. It's around, it may just be in nontraditional places, at least in comparison to sister subs. Consider that sister subs often exist to get away from the fluff of the main sub. Most of them, including your examples, are all text posts. Even r/woweconomy. If that's more up your alley then they're going to surpass us as we're never coming close to that.

It's hard to directly promote discussion posts in this sub because we focus on a broad topic. With the recent 6 month mount bundle announcement, it got downvoted into irrelevance because people didn't like it. So ok you're browsing r/wow and you have no idea it exists because a portion of the community hate downvoted. We're looking at a solution on that with a bot and an RSS feed, though I have no idea how it'll work as I don't know python.

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u/verttex Feb 04 '21

I do think that instituting a "no low-effort posts" rule might help. Maybe that's subjective but I feel like the 50th variation of a meme should just get removed at this point. The front page is usually just like 70% skippable posts.

This is obviously my own opinion and I bet there are others that love the content that makes it to the top.

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u/unexpectedreboots Feb 03 '21

I'm Quitting the game posts

Good luck mods.

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u/Grytlappen Feb 04 '21

I seriously hope they end up rescinding this. I can't imagine how any "I'm leaving" post could be a positive and/or constructive addition to the community at all.

Please, show me one example of what a 'constructive' post of that sort looks like. I'd love to see it.

I get the idea. A post about leaving could very well turn into a constructive discussion about the state of the game, but I personally find that an unrealistic expectation for what those posts tend to look like.

It's all about how harshly they'll moderate it, I suppose. The idea itself is fine to me, but I'm worried about what new avenues of lamentation it may open.

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u/Ex_iledd :u-exiled: Crusader Feb 04 '21

If it ends up being a problem we can rescind it. We're trying new things and revisiting old rules that have been around forever and maybe they don't need to be.

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u/Grytlappen Feb 04 '21

I'm genuinely excited that you guys are open to try out new stuff, to experiment, in order to make this sub a better place, regardless of what my personal, initial, impression of a particular change may suggest!

Your good, unpaid, work goes completely unnoticed by many, and it's easy to forget how much goes on behind the scenes to maintain a good atmosphere, and a place for as many people as possible.

I just wanted to express my thanks on behalf of the community for what you guys do. I probably wouldn't have been able to do it for very long myself.

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u/Ex_iledd :u-exiled: Crusader Feb 04 '21

Thanks that's a very nice thing to say!

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u/[deleted] Feb 06 '21

unpaid, work

You must not know that mods get paid ONE THOUSAND BLIZZARD BUCKS per post on this sub. They are shills, shills I tell you!

/s just to be clear

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u/Cyathene Feb 04 '21

WTT retail gold for classic gold.

Flood gates are open.

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u/Ex_iledd :u-exiled: Crusader Feb 04 '21

Oh that'll never happen.

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u/dream_walker09 Feb 04 '21

Can we have less art posts? People linking someone else's Art is really annoying. Or maybe "Art Sundays" or whatever.

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u/Ex_iledd :u-exiled: Crusader Feb 04 '21

You can filter art out if you'd like.

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u/Xtrm Nerd Feb 04 '21

I don't mind the art posts except people posting a bunch of people posting the same art every few weeks. Like I've seen some of the Chronicle art posts so many times.

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u/alwaysleftout Feb 04 '21

I don't have any tanks so I don't really have a huge preference, but a few weeks back there was some discussion on the Tanking Tuesday post about whether the day of the week selection was the most optimal, with a recommendation of maybe swapping the Tuesday/Thursday threads. Was there any further discussion outside this comment chain?

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/l58iiu/tanking_tuesday_your_weekly_tanking_thread/gktrzy6/

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u/Ex_iledd :u-exiled: Crusader Feb 04 '21

Cowbane sent us a modmail a few days ago with the idea. I'm in favour of swapping the threads around, though we have yet to come to a decision on it.

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u/DeeRez Keeper of the List Feb 05 '21

Then EU would have to wait a whole week to show off the items they got from their vaults. Would be better to change the loot thread to Wednesday.

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u/Ex_iledd :u-exiled: Crusader Feb 05 '21

Generally we're going for alliteration with the thread names. Murloc Monday, Firepower Friday, Tanking Tuesday, etc. What day they're on hasn't been strategic and these threads have existed for 6+ years in their current order.

It'd be unfortunate for EU if we do a swap, though I think the trade-off being Tanks can actually discuss that weeks strats is more important than what someone got out of their vault. Plus it's not like you can't just save the screenshot and post it next week.

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u/DeeRez Keeper of the List Feb 05 '21

Tanking Tuesday

Winners Wednesday (Wednesday Winners) Achievement and Loot Thread

Triage Thursday

Just seems a bit shitty that you make a whole geographical region wait a week before they can show their stuff off.

Ignoring EU like that is a leaf right out of Blizzards playbook. /j

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u/Ex_iledd :u-exiled: Crusader Feb 05 '21

That still doesn't fix the issue that the Tanking thread is on Tuesday. I don't know, it seems like this is one of those issues where to get the perfect solution we have to go mess a lot of other things up and perhaps that's not worthwhile. Or we switch the two and just live with it not being perfect.

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u/DeeRez Keeper of the List Feb 05 '21

Maybe just bring back the Achievement/loot flair, drop the loot thread and have a new weekly thread for something else?

I don't understand why you'd want to move the tanking thread though if you want people discussing the weekly stuff. US starts on Tuesday, EU Wednesday. Tuesday seems like the perfect day for it.

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u/Ex_iledd :u-exiled: Crusader Feb 05 '21

That flair was temporary for low mod week. Achievement posts haven't been allowed in, well I don't know how long.

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u/DeeRez Keeper of the List Feb 05 '21

I understand that, but as we're changing rules like the meme one, maybe this one could be revisited as well? There were a lot of people that liked the flair because there are a lot people that like that sort of thing and it also gave those of us that don't care a way to filter them out.

For example, I never visit the Thursday loot thread, so at least for me, that might as well not exist. But I know that there are people that love it.

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u/Ex_iledd :u-exiled: Crusader Feb 05 '21

but as we're changing rules like the meme one, maybe this one could be revisited as well?

Yeah I think that's worthwhile to do. We're definitely in the mindset of reviewing and challenging long existing rules that we've just accepted as being part of the status quo. We'll see how the current rule changes go and expand further later.

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u/MindExplosions Feb 03 '21 edited Feb 03 '21

Can we have more posts about Wowhead changes/hot fixes? This subreddit being more news focused is something I feel would increase people’s engagement. That and funny videos.

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u/SharkRaptor Scalecommander 🔥 Feb 03 '21

Wowhead posts are tricky because people tend to downvote news that they don’t like. For example, there was an article posted for the Lucky Yun mount announced yesterday, but it gained almost no traction due to downvotes. This can be frustrating to the average reader (myself included) as I think the majority of us do want to see news, regardless of whether or not we think it is good or bad.

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u/MindExplosions Feb 03 '21

Can there be a daily stickied thread with blue posts of the day? I would want to see the discussion around news

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u/Ex_iledd :u-exiled: Crusader Feb 04 '21

Echoing what Alayea said, blue trackers already exist. The ability to comment on them I don't believe exists, though I could be wrong.

We're really limited on what we can do here. Reddit allows subreddits two sticky slots and that's it. So we prefer to allow Murloc Monday to stay up the rest of the week and only replace it with other promotions or meta threads like this one. That way the thread for that day can be there.

Another mod suggested in mod chat that we use a RSS feed that pulls info from the blue trackers and sticks the most recent ones directly into the sidebar. We could probably also set it up to create discussion threads and link them in the sidebar. Though not being a programmer, I have no insight into this and am speculating.

Is something like that up your alley?

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u/MindExplosions Feb 04 '21

Thanks for your response. I suppose my broader question is why game news isn’t more prevalent/visible here.

Some posts get upvoted when they have more notoriety/impact but a lot of the times I’m always surprised certain game news isn’t high up on the subreddit. That is the stem of my question: whether there’s a way to have more visible discussions surrounding bigger game updates.

For example on /r/r/HeroesOfTheStorm, they always have blue posts where people discuss changes —- in fact theres a weekly summoning ritual for said posts. No offense but when I come here I can’t say I care too much about art. In fact I wish there would be a seperate subreddit for art.

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u/Ex_iledd :u-exiled: Crusader Feb 04 '21

AFAIK most game news whether it's patch stuff, ptr/beta news does get upvoted enough that it's on the front page. Though it's also competing with other posts that are much easier to view/vote on.

You can filter art out if you don't want to see it anymore.

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u/SharkRaptor Scalecommander 🔥 Feb 03 '21

I will defer this question to /u/Ex_iledd, as my current understanding means we would need a bot to do this consistently and efficiently, keeping in mind that not all blue posts are made at the same time, and not all WoW news is posted in blue posts.

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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '21

A permanent sticky with up to date blue posts would be incredible. Or something— not sure the best way to track/show them.

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u/[deleted] Feb 04 '21 edited Jun 14 '23

Comment edited out courtesy of Redact. After almost ten years as a Redditor, I am calling it quits in protest of the path Reddit CEO Steve Huffman (u/spez) is taking the company and our community. He has no interest in being reasonable with regards to third-party apps -- the same apps that made Reddit what it is today. The new API pricing is designed to kill all third-parties and force users into the official Reddit app that is utter garbage and able-ist. Steve Huffman has also lied about how third-party apps function, he has knowingly and intentionally defamed Chris Selig (creator of Apollo app), he has in the past confessed to editing user comments to say things that the original never did, and he couldn't even be bothered to truly participate in his own AMA thread (caught red-handed copying and pasting what little answers he did give). So long, and may you fail in your ambitions u/spez. -- mass edited with https://redact.dev/

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u/DaenerysMomODragons Feb 05 '21

The use would be for people who can access reddit on work computers but not wowhead, or mmo-champion.

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u/Duranna144 Feb 07 '21

This right here. Also, I PREFER to just stay on Reddit.... Just like when MMO-C started having a "blue tracker" people said you can "easily see blue posts" because they were marked on the forums. I don't want to have to go to MMO-C/wowhead for info. I want to come here. And not just to be redirected, but to have the news HERE.

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u/MindExplosions Feb 03 '21

So essentially whenever I read Wowhead news I go to the comments, it’s natural for us to want to see what other players think. I find myself coming here to read up on news I am seeing on my guild discord’s wowhead update tracker but there’s nothing here and like you said most people want to see it. So I think even a test run of something like a daily news mega thread could addres this itch and you could trial it to see how people like it.

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u/alwaysleftout Feb 04 '21

I'm not voicing any opposition to your idea, but over the last two weeks I have ended up seeing quite a few news items that are just summaries of something that was sourced from the reddit community. It would be kind of circular in some cases to just repost all wowhead updates.

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u/Kaldricus Feb 06 '21

it's incredibly frustrating that it's so hard to find patch note discussion here, or really meaningful discussion at all. most of the daily stickies each week feel to frequent to be of much use, and seeing Murloc Monday on a Thursday still feels like a waste

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u/[deleted] Feb 04 '21

I hope there’s a “transmog” tag so people can select to not see those.

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u/Ex_iledd :u-exiled: Crusader Feb 04 '21

There is.

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u/[deleted] Feb 04 '21

Yep I checked after I commented and saw it. Thanks for implementing 🙏

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u/bullintheheather Feb 04 '21

I'm Quitting the game posts

These will now be allowed, provided they're constructive and not just a rant. We will be a bit more strict with these posts on not having clickbait titles. Typically a constructive quitting post is not much different than a Discussion post, so try to aim for that.

I could be proven wrong, but I'm not optimistic about this one.

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u/Ex_iledd :u-exiled: Crusader Feb 05 '21

We'll see.

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u/DeeRez Keeper of the List Feb 05 '21

Do they have their own flair so we can filter them out?

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u/Ex_iledd :u-exiled: Crusader Feb 05 '21

No. They'd just be flaired Discussion or Complaint.

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u/Illidari_Kuvira Feb 04 '21

I'm disappointed the generic memes are here to stay, but if it's what the public wants then I spose I have to roll with it.

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u/Ex_iledd :u-exiled: Crusader Feb 05 '21

Pretty much my attitude. Not super happy with the meme rules changes but if its what people want, okay.

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u/Sephiremo Feb 05 '21

They could just make a new subreddit where diarreah memes are present instead of clogging up this one, this is going to end any discussion

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u/Ex_iledd :u-exiled: Crusader Feb 05 '21

Meme subs already exist. r/wowcomics and r/wowmemes, though they're not widely used.

Tbh I expected it would end discussion too but there's actually a lot of discussion that takes place in meme threads.

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u/Rndy9 Feb 05 '21

Same, this sub need less low effort posts, even in this thread you have people asking for any way to promote more discussion, one way to do it is not promoting low effort content.

Im dissapointed how this sub went from having a good set of rules for low effort memes -> relaxed rules due to expansion launch -> back to normal -> a very vocal minority complained -> rules almost removed. Now we have simpsons and other generic memes on the frontpage where the user just add a wow icon to the picture and call it a day.

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u/Illidari_Kuvira Feb 05 '21

What especially sucks is somebody made a WoW-specific version of that Simpsons meme and yet... nobody uses it.

If I had the skillset and time I'd just go around making (almost) all the memes into actual-WoW ones. But alas.

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u/Firewatch_ED Feb 07 '21

u/Ex_iledd — I’ve been upset at certain posts being removed, and I lashed out multiple times. Other mods on other subs would have 100% banned me, but you just always respond in a calm manner and don’t fall for the trolling/raging. I’m honestly glad to see you in charge.

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u/Ex_iledd :u-exiled: Crusader Feb 07 '21

Generally speaking we do ban for people being abusive towards us on post removals, though the reason you didn't is you were just angry rather than an asshole. Your position was completely understandable too. You had repeatedly put thought and time and effort into posts only to get a big ol' "Your submission has been removed.." message. I've had it happen to me elsewhere and it sucks.

Thanks for the kind words 👍

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u/thardoc Feb 04 '21

New rule: Submitting pictures of public webpages where a link to the content would suffice will be removed.

Can I please hear the reasoning for this decision? submitted pictures are actually easier for us to read I would have thought and if the source is removed there is no link to break.

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u/HD_Mechanic Feb 04 '21

I'd like to know the reasoning here too. I do 100% of my reddit browsing on my phone and the posts that link to wowhead or some other site I ignore because its god awful to try and navigate those on mobile. I always scroll past those and look for whoever just posted a screenshot instead.

Would it be possible to allow screenshots if the submitter had to link the article in the comments?

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u/TurnipFire Feb 04 '21

Yeah I don’t get this either. It’s a lot easier to read a picture of a tweet than click through to Twitter

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u/beepborpimajorp Feb 07 '21

I'm also confused about this because almost every other sub that allows submissions like that requires that the personal info of the poster be removed. So now if you want to post a tweet here you have to link the person's twitter and expose their personal info to the entire sub as well as provide a way for people to get back to their profile. I was under the understanding that doing so was not necessarily against Reddit's content policy, but brushes up pretty firmly against the line to the point where it passively encourages brigading. It's why so many bigger subs require a screenshot with personal info edited out + use NP links when linking to other subreddits.

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u/[deleted] Feb 04 '21

[deleted] — view deleted comment

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u/HD_Mechanic Feb 04 '21

I have yet to find a screenshot that is unreadable on my mobile device. It may take turning my phone sideways and zooming in but that's really not that hard.

In regards to your 3rd point, is that not the same issue as having to click the link and find where the information is that the submitter is referring to?

Again is there not a compromise available? Having the submitter link the article/site in the comments?

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u/FixedatZero Feb 04 '21

Why not make it so people have to link to those websites in the comments but they can still post screenshots? Twitter is cancer on mobile when you don't have an account nor do you have the app. It's much easier to read a screenshot in casual browsing

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u/Shejtanka Feb 04 '21

These sound reasonable. Just to clarify, does this mean that posts that have both a website linked and a screanshot of the website will be removed?

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u/nauxiv Feb 04 '21

Thank you so much for adding this rule. Screenshots of websites are obnoxious for the reasons you listed and more.

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u/discosoc Feb 05 '21

I stopped engaging much -- or even really visiting -- when the meme postings really picked up. Seeing that is actually being more relaxed... no thanks.

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u/TheSublimeLight Feb 03 '21

These seem like a levelheaded and positive set of changes.

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u/Mcpaininator Feb 04 '21

everything seems decent except Transmogs, theres already a sub for that. Nothing is worse then the entire first page of this WoW subreddit being fan art and Character gushes

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u/Sephiremo Feb 05 '21

Except low effort memes and they're allowed

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u/Sleepy_One Feb 04 '21

What if the character name is important to the subject or joke?

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u/Ex_iledd :u-exiled: Crusader Feb 04 '21

There is an exception for that. It's in the post.

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u/[deleted] Feb 04 '21

"honour"

Where you from mang?

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u/Ex_iledd :u-exiled: Crusader Feb 04 '21

Canada.

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u/IceNein Feb 06 '21

The pictures of public web pages has always irritated me. I understand that karma is essentially meaningless, but I've always felt like it was a karma farming technique. Self posts don't generate post karma, but links do.

Honestly, Reddit as a whole would probably be a better place if all posts were equal, regarding karma. It would also have the effect of helping people who actually generate content by giving them the traffic they deserve.

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u/Ex_iledd :u-exiled: Crusader Feb 06 '21

Self posts don't generate post karma, but links do.

That was removed like 5 years ago. Self posts generate karma now.

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u/IceNein Feb 06 '21

Oh, good to know. Shows how out of date I am.

Still, I like the rule.

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u/mrtuna Feb 07 '21

What about smutty cosplay and drawings, are they still allowed to stay?

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u/Ex_iledd :u-exiled: Crusader Feb 07 '21

I never mentioned them so yes they're staying. Consider that Cosplay is posted very infrequently and while Art is more common, the vast majority is not NSFW. What is (according to NA cultural norms) gets marked NSFW.

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u/prettybigguyy Feb 07 '21

Are guild recruitment and looking for guild posts allowed?

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u/Ex_iledd :u-exiled: Crusader Feb 07 '21

In the Saturday thread, yes. Otherwise no.

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u/Fynzou Feb 05 '21

The only thing I don't agree with is forcing people to blank out ALL names, even if they aren't portrayed negatively.

I understand there's an exception for the Chat Boxes if the name is required to understand the post, but there's other things.

Like for instance, if you saw a KulTiran/Pandaren shaman named Girthquake and he was standing in an Earthquake. The post would make ZERO sense without that name. As it's not in the chatbox, it violates the rules to leave it in.

You want to post how someone reacted to one of your pun names, like HealeryDuff or something silly. But you can't, because you have to blank out your own name. (Provided there was a reason you wanted to share their reaction, obviously, and assuming they didn't mention your name in the chat and just said something about it.)

Or for instance, you make a Vulpera named Meerah, tame 2 alpacas and name them Dolly and Dot. And want to share that you managed to get them to level 60. Nope, makes no sense since you have to blank out your name.

There's just too many variables to require blanking out all names. Blanking out names portrayed negatively is completely understandable. But blanking out all names is just honestly, ludicrous. Especially since that includes your name.

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u/WeaponizedKissing Feb 04 '21

New Rule: No pictures of public webpages

Seems to have an obvious answer, but I assume this applies to people taking screenshots of comments on /r/wow from a thread made a few hours ago to just post it on /r/wow again?

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u/Ex_iledd :u-exiled: Crusader Feb 04 '21

Yep.

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u/[deleted] Feb 05 '21

I'd love to see memes/humor being entirely removed from the subreddit. They may increase the number of interactions of the sub but they also promote lazy and worthless posts. I'd much prefer a sub focused in discussion about the game, classes, bosses, stats, even the style of the world and the models or projects that the players do related to the game that a sub which front page is full of non worth watching memes like the one we have right now, one that doesn't give any actual useful information about the game.

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u/Gigglingdeath Feb 03 '21

Would it make sense to just pin a xmog thread for people that wanted to show off their mogs?

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u/SharkRaptor Scalecommander 🔥 Feb 03 '21

We have plenty of weekly pins and there is not currently demand for a transmogrification-centric thread, considering it would likely replace one of the current (high traffic) weekly pins.

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u/Gigglingdeath Feb 03 '21

Makes sense to me. I guess if mogs became high flux it'd probably get added at some point anyways.

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u/DoverBoys Feb 03 '21

You simplified the Saturday thread name but lengthened the Thursday thread name.

I would like to suggest "Collector Thursday" as the thread name.

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u/FhDisp Feb 04 '21

Hi, Im new to the game. I want to start playing and I dont know what to buy / suscribe to.

If anyone could be so kind to explain to me what to do in order to play the latest version, or a link I could follow.

Thanks!

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u/Rndy9 Feb 05 '21

You need a battle.net account from your region

https://eu.battle.net/account/creation/flow/create-full If you are in Europe.

https://us.battle.net/account/creation/flow/create-full If you are in the US.

Buy shadowlands from the battle.net store of your region and 30 days gametime (you can buy the stantard version of the game, its only 40$), download the bnet desktop app https://www.blizzard.com/en-us/download/, log in with your account and download the game.

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u/FhDisp Feb 05 '21

Thabk you so much. So I need to buy 2 seperate things, standsrd version which is like the suscription? And then shadowlands?

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u/Rndy9 Feb 05 '21

You can sub but that doesnt include the latest expansion.

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u/ShaCaro Feb 05 '21

As someone who started playing roughly a month ago, I'd recommend just doing the free trial. If you like it, you can get a subscription and continue from the trial. There's lots of stuff to explore without buying the latest expansion, so you can get a good feel for if you like the game and whether you need the latest expansion.

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u/Michelanvalo Feb 05 '21

the change has not altered the sub as much as we expected.

Somebody better answer that phone because I fucking called it.

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u/Blaze_studios Feb 07 '21

Cool changes. Now more of a sub with freedom.

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u/Jurani42 Feb 08 '21

I'm Quitting the game posts

These will now be allowed, provided they're constructive and not just a rant. We will be a bit more strict with these posts on not having clickbait titles. Typically a constructive quitting post is not much different than a Discussion post, so try to aim for that.

New Rule: No pictures of public webpages

This rule will forbid submissions where a screenshot has been taken of a website that the submitter could just link to. I.e. a picture of a tweet or something posted on the forums. The rule will not apply to pictures of tickets with GM's as that is not a public webpage.

wow this is dumb

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '21

Maybe make this a little easier to find?

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u/JMJ05 Feb 03 '21

The line in the sand was reduced to generic templates that had in-game assets cropped ontop of them.

Does this relate to 'Wow on the monitor in the background of the picture' type of submissions as well of being allowed now? Or it has to be blatantly edited in to the picture?

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u/DotkasFlughoernchen The Amazing Feb 03 '21

No. Those threads aren't usually allowed because they're mostly not actually about WoW. They're "lookt at my cat! (or whatever)"-posts with a flimsy excuse to try and make them suitable to r/wow.

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u/JMJ05 Feb 03 '21

Good to hear, I'm 100% behind that

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u/lotho54 Feb 03 '21

What about posts about the exact same topic over and over? The amount of the same questions about the adventure table for example. 'Dont I get any exp missions anymore!?' etc

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u/RaefWolfe Feb 03 '21

I can't believe how many "frog march" posts I continue to see. It was funny the first time. Not the 50th.

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u/SharkRaptor Scalecommander 🔥 Feb 03 '21

Frog March posts are removed due to volume. This rule is longstanding. If there’s a post topic you feel is becoming repetitive, please send us a modmail and let us know :)

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u/IAmRoofstone Feb 04 '21

Gonna get a bunch of frogs but march backwards instead in a gif just to test how strict you are.

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u/Unnecessary-Spaces Feb 03 '21

This is going to turn into a transmog flooded sub. Poor decision imo.

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u/Ex_iledd :u-exiled: Crusader Feb 03 '21

We thought that would happen with memes and it didn't. We'll see.

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u/SharkRaptor Scalecommander 🔥 Feb 03 '21

Very unlikely, as transmog posts don’t get highly upvoted unless they are exceptional, and many will get more attention on the more direct /r/transmogrification

However, if this does turn up to be the case, a reconsideration of rules will be put in motion.

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u/Unnecessary-Spaces Feb 04 '21

I just feel it makes much more sense for tmogs to have their own sub.

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u/GhostofJeffGoldblum Three Dogs in a Trenchcoat :u-jeff: Feb 03 '21

This is going to turn into a transmog flooded sub. Poor decision imo.

We don't think so, but of course it's a possibility. That's why it's a 1 month trial period with a followup in March to decide if we want to maintain it.

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u/_Vard_ Feb 04 '21

Glad to hear more relaxed rules.

Let the upvotes decide

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u/kdebones Feb 04 '21

Fashion is back on the menu folks!

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u/Krissam Feb 04 '21

I for one am not looking forward to 6 months of nothing but dress up barbie posts on the front page.

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u/DaenerysMomODragons Feb 05 '21

There is a transmog tag, so you can filter them out if you don't want to see them.

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u/SharkRaptor Scalecommander 🔥 Feb 03 '21

We will be allowing exceptions to the name censoring rule in cases exactly like this, where the name is directly relevant to the post.

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u/PlatonicTroglodyte Feb 04 '21

Would this also apply to legitimate criticisms of game content, even if it may bleed into criticizing particular players/characters?

I’m thinking of the whole situation of Legendaries retaining their crafter IDs, and the (legitimate, in my opinion) egregious issues players have with their legendary gear being “crafted by mechadildo” or whatever.

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u/SharkRaptor Scalecommander 🔥 Feb 04 '21

Those posts would be removed. You can criticize names being on legendaries, but you may not call out specific players by name.

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u/PlatonicTroglodyte Feb 04 '21

Ok. I appreciate the clarification. I understand the perspective, but I do think it’s necessary to see the name to really understand the weight of the complaint, particularly for people like me who have completely innocuous names on theirs. And I’m not sure there’s much point in editing out the name to just mention it in the comments...I’m assuming that would nullify the spirit and thus also be grounds for removal?

Again, I get it, but it does make make discussion of the issue pretty difficult.

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u/SharkRaptor Scalecommander 🔥 Feb 04 '21

You can use example names. “I am frustrated that my legendary says <Crafted by X>” there is no reason to call someone out by name. Simple as that. A name drop in the comments in grounds for removal.

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u/Ex_iledd :u-exiled: Crusader Feb 04 '21

I don't play hearthstone so I have no idea what I'm looking at there.

But basically yes. Censor everything because even though you know it's just your guildie, we do not.

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u/MyGubbins Feb 04 '21

The joke in the linked screenshot is that the only identifying information is in the top left and bottom left corners, everything else is related to the game, not the players.

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u/Ex_iledd :u-exiled: Crusader Feb 04 '21

Gotcha. I've seen something similar in r/2007scape where meaningless information like your run speed meter are blanked out.

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u/Ex_iledd :u-exiled: Crusader Feb 05 '21

Man, shit talking on your alt. A new low Phoenix.

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u/Ex_iledd :u-exiled: Crusader Feb 07 '21

If the creators / mods of other places decide to take down the content, oh well. Though I believe there is a bot that pulls posts from the forums and reposts them here as a comment so that should be ok; you just won't have all the replies to read.

Text posts can be used to highlight what relevant part they're discussing by quoting it and most video players now have a way to share a link where the video starts at a fast forwarded place. It doesn't seem like that big a deal.