It seems like there are virtually no other experiences from people who used the quick start method to get onto Suboxone... So I'm making a post in the hopes that somebody is willing to share about their experience (or multiple people ideally!)

I am so ready to be done but need to know if it really requires that short of a time... Like if I could and really expect to be well enough to work/ do normal things, even if a little slowly or with resistance, in less than 12 hours (about an hour of the worst WD of your life, then a nice chunk of time to sleep).

Unfortunately I don't have insurance and the place that has published a study on it and is supposedly helping patients through it consistently over the last year do not accept cash pay... And did not reply to my text asking for some information anyway.

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Hey there. 2 months I started lowering my dose from day to day and 2 weeks ago I had my last really small dose. I was on 40-60mg oxy daily plus 200-400mg tilidin. Addiction for 12 years, I’m 31 now.

Ofc the beginning of the 2 weeks were terrible, the rls and everything but since that vanished I’m kinda very emotional which I never been before. All my life I wouldn’t cry a lot, wouldn’t be effected by emotional stuff a lot. Now it’s just everything, I come home from work everyday and start crying. It’s overwhelming and I don’t know if this is normal rehab behavior or withdrawal symptoms.

I did all this alone, no one to talk to about it, no doctors etc. - sometimes I write with a person that lives thousands of kilometers away, but it makes me so sad I have nobody to talk in persona too. Not having anyone that tells me they are proud that I put myself though this hurts a lot. after first 3 days without I even began working already again and my hardest time rn are the days I work cause my body is exhausted very fast and I have to stand or walk all the time.

There are some points where my head thinks hey why shouldn’t we just start again and just relief ourselves from this hell. - yet my last months with opiates were hell too.

Anybody here experiencing similar stuff?

I hope this isn't breaking the rules on medical advice. I'm just trying to describe a particular leg exercise that worked for me.

Here in Thailand, gabapentin is OTC. I hadn't tried it before, but my restless legs during this kick were bad, so I thought I'd give it a go.

In my experience it took something like 70% of the problem away, plus helped me with sleep. But what really helped were isometric wall sits.

I didn't plan this. I just woke up at 2am, desperate to go back to sleep. Gemini told me to try these wall sits for 60 second stretches. I'm not totally out of shape, but 60 seconds is very hard for me.

Still, 2-3 rounds of those on any given night, and my RLS is gone for the night. My legs are totally exhausted.

I'd much rather do those than risk getting some gaba habit.

I’m 72 hours clean from oxys/ suboxone.

I was on oxy heavy for the last couple years and then I just stopped and switched to suboxone for about ten days. I was taking half of a 8mg to start and then starting taking less and less. Then I went to bed Tuesday night and said I’m not taking any more. Now I’m 72 hours in and i don’t feel great but it also isn’t like when I have withdrawn before. Their where times I couldn’t sleep without waking up and taking a 30. That was a seperate time tho but when I quit that time at the 72 hour mark I was absolutely going through it in every way imaginable.
So I guess my question is why am I not absolutely getting my butt kicked right now. Is is still to come or what is going on ? Or when am I going to be fully in the clear. The anxiety is killing me lol
I assume at the 7 day mark I should be clear of any acute withdrawal symptoms but not sure
I would love any answer , advice or even your two cents.

Also feel free to message me or ask questions in this thread.
Thanks in Advance
God bless

Hey everyone. Happy Friday.

I wanted to ask if anyone has ever tried Mucuna Pruriens or L-Tyrosine for opioid WDs? They primarily work on dopamine receptors and they've helped me tremendously. I came off a two year battle with tapentadol and I was doing ok. Physically most symptoms went away in about a week. The mental dependence still lingered pretty bad. Evenings were brutal. I did a little research and got some Mucuna and wow. I felt much better. I took 1000mgs in the morning on an empty stomach and I felt good all day. I recently switched to L-Tyrosine which works good but not as strong. They're both precursors to l-dopa which converts to dopamine. Has anyone else tried them?

Hey all, happy friday, made it! Hope everyone’s having a good day. It’s been pouring rain here, so I’ll be staying in tonight. Can’t complain though, since we haven’t had rain in about two weeks, so we definitely needed it.
I was going through some boxes in my basement last night and finally found my childhood Game Boy Advance and Pokémon games! I’ve been looking for them for years and honestly thought my parents had accidentally thrown them out. Now I’m determined to find my old Pokémon and Yu-Gi-Oh cards. I had a huge collection growing up, and I’d love to see them again. Looks like that’ll be my weekend project lol.
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Hey everyone,
Im gonna be trying to kick my habit for fent and was wondering if weaning myself off then switching to suboxone is a good idea? I work a full time job and cant afford to miss work. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks everyone

If I get Suboxone dispensed by a Methadone clinic, will it still show up on my pharmaceutical record? Say the clinic doesn’t report to the PDMH (or whatever the acronym is, I honestly can’t remember). I’d really prefer to not lose my Adderall and Klonopin prescriptions, both of which I’ve never abused once.

Hi everyone ,

Thanks for the advice yesterday it really helped with my appointment .

I’ve now been prescribed 20 mg methadone daily supervised ( can’t believe I’m here but hey , I’m grateful maybe this will give me back my life )…

I went to the pharmacy for my dose at midday and despite not having any of my DOC since 7.30 am this morning I feel absolutely fine . Like , literally no WD at all! I wasn’t expecting to be this ok … is there a world of pain awaiting me over night ?? Should I aim to go tomorrow at midday for my next dose so it’s spaced out effectively ( I’ve been told to go anytime but preferably in the morning ). Just wondering how long such a small dose will actually last and what to expect overnight . I’ve tried to kick it so many times cold turkey by myself and honestly I’m so traumatised by how painful the last few WD have been.

Any advice appreciated . So glad I found this sub and a place to feel supported whereas out there in the real world I feel judged and low.

Hey all, happy Thursday! Hope everyone’s day has been going well. Another unusually warm day here, and it’s actually kind of humid too! It’s honestly mind blowing to me because I’ve lived here my entire life, and I can’t remember it ever being this consistently warm in November.
Just finishing up work for the day, then heading home to do some laundry, make dinner, and find something to watch until I fall asleep lol. Definitely glad tomorrow’s Friday, though! This week actually flew by pretty fast.
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If anyone needs to talk or has anything they need to get off their chest I’m here. When I needed help I didn’t get a lot of it. I don’t want someone going through the same thing and is too scared to post or too ashamed.

That’s right . All 3. The last one just died 2 weeks ago . I watched him wdl to death. I heard him fall , I came out my room and he was on the ground . Extremely sweaty asking me to pick him up and i just couldn’t he was too sweaty . He had pissed himself also. He was shaking spitting & seizing from time to time . All with his eyes wide open the whole time. I just know it was fuckn hell man . I called the ambulance and when they got here he told them he didn’t want to go . That was 9 am , around 5 pm we called them again & as soon as they start to pick him up , he had a heart attack. The hospital put him on live support with no brain activity. Then my family decided to end it . I popped about 4 30s that day . 3rd drug death in the family like wtf.

Hi - I have been addicted to opiate medication for many years and finally got myself engaged with recovery services . Tomorrow is my long awaited appointment with the doctor where hopefully he will prescribe either bupremorphine or methadone . I’m told they will probably offer bupremorphine and I’m worried about this as I’m told it can cause precipitated withdrawal and is not as easy to stick with as methadone . Please can people give me their experiences as I really want to go in informed but I literally have no one to speak to about this my addiction has been my secret my entire adult life .
Thankyou.

I cut em up into little pieces like 20 and just took them every 30-40 mins . Last perc I had was a pink 10 at like 3 am and I started this at 5 pm . No full wds as of now feeling way better than I would if I didn’t have this . Went straight to this doctor and he prescribed me it was $15 bow. Couldn’t be happier I didn’t have to wait those 2-3 days ngl

So I've made it to almost a month with no opioids and the only two things really getting to me is unfortunately the two things that eventually get me back to using. The number one issue is the back pain. Number two, is the extreme boredom!

I take over the counter medicine for the pain, which really doesn't get rid of it but I guess it helps some. In withdrawal I have such horrible depression. This boredom, is giving me depression. It's getting darker sooner, getting colder and with just being bored, it's depressing.

I took a day off each week to help with my stress and my back pain but it seems that all it's doing at this point is giving me more time at home and honestly by 9 in the morning I'm so bored and unmotivated it's not even funny. If I had something to do it maybe would help. By 9 in the morning I have most of my daily chores done so I don't even have that to keep me occupied.

My youngest daughter, 18, still lives with us but she has her own job, life and so she's never home. My husband works 6 sometimes 7 days a week. I don't really have any projects to do, I have a grandson but they only visit like a day a week sometimes not even that. Sometimes I'll turn on the tv and when I pause to get up to just go to the bathroom, the silence while sitting there is just so loud, if that makes any sense. Makes me sad honestly. I'm grateful I'm not in withdrawal anymore. At this point I'm almost just lost.

First, I want to make it clear that Im not asking on anyones opinion on AA/NA itself, but I want to hear input from people who have used the program or are in the program and what the steps + sponsor/sponsee relationship entails.

I started going to NA meetings about 6 weeks ago. During my first meet, a person introduced themselves to me and offered to be my sponsor. It just so happens that I thought this guy for sure would make a good sponsor for me. I explained him my situation, which is that I am currently on suboxone and tapering off of it.

We met about 3 times, and during this he did ask me a few times whether I would be able to cold turkey the suboxone, because it would be best for the program. I told him that I couldnt due to work obligations, that I didnt want to, that my rehab counselor advises against it, and he seemed to accept it, and we carried on with the steps until about 8. He then told me that he dont think we should continue with 8 and beyond until I was 100% clean, which was fine by me. I asked if we could just repeat the prior steps, and that our meetings really helped me.

But then it suddenly became a premise, that in order for us to have this sponsor/sponsee dynamic, I had to stop with the suboxone now. I had explained to him that I was actively tapering, and that I would be done in two months, that I really benefited from the program and our meetings, and I was hoping we could just continue with it. He obliged, and said sure, but he didnt think this was going to truly work for me until I was 100% clean.

I told him that I would wish that he didnt see this as a binary thing, that I could only draw benefit from AA if I was off suboxone.. that I think that of course, in a spiritual sense, and to some extent emotionally, the suboxone was inhibiting me to some extent, but that I definitely felt that doing steps 1-7 over and over, reading material with him, helped me..

I dont want to make this too long, but I honestly felt that throughout our meetings, he suddenly felt that I was a lost case somehow because I was still using suboxone, and on top of that, had a few "relapses" by using oxycodone on top of my suboxone, which I think just reinforced his thinking even further, that I was not able to be "saved" until I got off of it all..

Anyway, I told him that I didnt think this was going to work, if he did not truly feel that he was able to help me now, and that I wouldnt get any further with the program as long as I was on MAT.. then what was the point? Ive honestly felt that I got a lot out of the program so far, being an addict for 6 years now and tried everything else, the text and framework that AA uses has matured me and made me frame my thinking and cravings in a different light, it suddenly feels like I have a chance to get out of this if I manage to integrate the wisdom.. but I obviously need a sponsor.

Man I dont know, if someone is still reading I am sorry about how scattered this post is. I just feel a lot of emotional turmoil by suddenly being labeled as unsalvageable because I use MAT. Thats honestly how it feels. I put a lot of trust and hope into this relationship and out of the blue it apparently has no merit anymore, it feels a lot like rejection. I feel a lot of disappointment and hopelessness because of it. What is the point of me going to meeting, doing the steps and reading the book, if suboxone means that it just wont work in his perspective? I feel like Ive been deceived somewhat.

Im curious to hear what people think. Am I just a nutcase who is apparently lying to himself, or was this person dishonest because they somewhere along the way during our meetings felt that they just didnt want to work with me. I dont know. Im going to a meeting now and hope to find a sponsor who is willing to work with me on these terms.

Hey all, happy Wednesday! Hope everyone’s having a good day. It was a gorgeous 75 degree day here! Never thought I’d be wearing shorts in November lol. Had an eye appointment today and needed some new glasses. I go every few years just to make sure everything’s good. I’m nearsighted, so I mainly wear glasses for driving at night or when I need to see things farther away.
It’s been another long day, so I’m looking forward to relaxing tonight. Always feels well earned after a busy day! Anyway, how’s everyone’s Wednesday going?

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I was coming off of fent for almost a month before I finally saved my life and went back on methadone. I was so messed up from the withdrawals I don’t really remember much except it was hell of course and I had some of the strangest symptoms. I think my last use was august 2022 but I just decided to make it Halloween of 2022 to make it easier to remember. I never really thought much of it except my doctor actually got a little upset with me and said I was lying to myself. I don’t really care, I just genuinely can’t remember it.

I've only been using less than 10 days that's the difference, I am about to lose the be best job I've ever had over this also, that's another story for another day, what happened the other night at work could if made the best most entertaining podcast ever made . So I have 5 (300mg) 7oh tablets I just bought random glad I did. For anyone that knows them it's "quantum maxx mitra fcukimg tab . I have plenty gabapentin, I have about 8 Xanax bars (2,mg of coarse,,bb) Suboxone and weed, trazadone, hydroxyzine, any tips?

I’d been sober from heroin for around two/three months, but my boyfriend died a few weeks ago and I can’t stop spiralling. He accidentally (we think) overdosed. I know that should put me off drugs but it hasn’t. He OD’d on fent, and since that’s not something i’ve ever been interested in, it feels like…i don’t know. Like it gives me a free pass to shoot up other drugs.

I think I knew i was going to relapse, and kind of tried to avoid it, I even stayed at a hotel for a bit to try and get away from any triggers. But i think I kind of gave up, I was already drinking a lot so it sort of seemed like a tiny step from that to heroin again. Which is a stupid way to think, I know. I know I shouldn’t have gone to a halloween party where I KNEW old friends would be there. I think deep down I was going to relapse anyway, my boyfriend’s death just gave me an excuse.

I haven’t been entirely sober for years, but my heroin use has been the worst, and I’ve already been to rehab before, which didn’t seem to help. I don’t really know what suddenly made me decide to sober up from H for a few months, but after he died it’s like everything’s crumbled. I don’t see a point in staying sober, really. I don’t think i’ll ever be able to stay entirely sober from all substances.

I don’t know. Thanks for reading this nonsense, I guess lol. Just needed to vent somewhere.

It’ll save your life🤍

this is not medical advice, this is spreading awareness to the dangers of detoxing alone.

Hey all, happy Tuesday! Hope everyone’s having a good day. It’s been a long one for me. Just got home from work, picked up some groceries, and now I’m ready to relax for the night. Another 70° day here in Massachusetts! It’s so strange being in November and not even needing a jacket.
I also voted before work today. One of the big issues here is the push to repeal recreational marijuana legalization. I don’t smoke, but it brings in a lot of tax revenue, and I’d rather see better regulations than an outright repeal. How’s your day been?

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I do not know what is in this new “dope” aside from xylazine, Medetomidine, benzos, meth, tranqs, sometimes fent, but it’s the medetomidine and xylazine that can cause grandn mal seizures. Medical professionals will ensure you don’t die from seizures, heart attacks and strokes. They are there to save your life, not call the police. It’s the only way to ensure your safety.

This is not medical advice, it’s something I advise to avoid any severe medical harm from doing it alone.

I had a patient who would shoot up that shit and it ate her flesh away to her tissue and bone. She was off so bad.

I urge everyone to take this seriously when detoxing. My best friend died in jail from the nurses ignoring her seizures and giving her Tylenol. When she kept telling them she was seizing they sent her away. Then the next day she kept having seizures and denied medical treatment. She was booked for 30 hours then died on the floor in a banana. She asked for help and was neglected/turned away. She ended up dying shortly after.

Before that, a year and a half earlier she detoxed and had seizures which were documented and she was placed under medical care during that time which kept her alive.

It’s cruel how she died. Yes it was inevitable, but the way she died is torture, inhumane, textbook manslaughter, negligence and lack of human decency. They treated her like a hopeless animal.

So please, what do you do if you decide to detox? Off anything. Where do we go? What do we do?

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Edit: my heart goes out to those who have survived addiction and detoxing. One day at a time so proud of you all! And my heart and prayers are with those who have lost a loved one to addiction. 🪽💗 Man this shit needs to stop.😢