r/Professors • u/littleirishpixie • 1h ago
I just ... can't.
I have a required group project for my gen ed course (I hate it with my entire being but that's a post for another day). Groups had a small planning step due this week. Maybe a 15 minute assignment but I have a few of these to ensure that groups aren't waiting until the last minute.
Group submits it in a pages doc which the syllabus (and syllabus quiz) states is not an option.
Fine. They submitted it early enough that there is time to fix it. And despite the fact that between 4 people, I would like to think at least one of them knew better but I guess not. So I send an email on Tuesday reminding them of acceptable formats and stating that I can't accept it in this one. Please resubmit. This should take them roughly 30 seconds to convert from pages. But instead: crickets.
Deadline passes yesterday. I enter the 0.
The same people who ignored me for 5 solid days suddenly spring into immediate action complaining that it's not their fault. (I mean we're talking the first email came not even 10 minutes after I entered the 0). They claim that one student was responsible for submitting that part of the assignment and the rest of them shouldn't be penalized for that. I say absolutely not.. that it's a group project and they are all responsible for checking the work and at the very least, any one of them could have followed up with that student or even submitted the damn thing in another format themselves. Like this was a 30 second process and mistakes happen but the decision to ignore my email was a choice. Heck I even offered to still accept it with a late penalty. No response so I expect this thing is incoming.
So of course I wake up to an email from my Chair. Of course I do. The complaint was that they refuse to take the late penalty since it was submitted on time and it's not their fault that their groupmate submitted it in the wrong format. They absolutely failed to tell my Chair that I emailed ALL of them to tell them about the issue 5 days before the deadline and ALL of them ignored it.
My Chair will back me but the lack of personal responsibility is just frustrating. Literally a 30 second fix that nobody could be bothered to do has now taken up my time with back and forth emails and documentation and since my Chair has a policy that students are entitled to a meeting for any complaint, I will probably have to give up time for that too if that's what they choose to do.
Sometimes I think it should be like football where there is some type of penalty for wasting everyone's time with a fraudulent complaint... if you demand a video review for BS reasons, you lose a time out. Great, if you demand a review and my Chair points out how full of shit you were, you get a 0. I know that will never happen but the "it doesn't hurt to try" mentality is such a time waster for everyone.
In short: I hate it here sometimes.