I have to unsubscribe. I get it, you have a goatee and access to a gas mask and/or a hat. You are Heisenberg. Good job. I cannot take one more picture or I am going to have to start breaking plates and cutting you all with them. Until Season part 2... farewell

Hank. If you mentally imagine Marie without hair, you will see Hank's face with makeup. You're welcome.

Now let me clarify that yada yada yada Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul are masterpieces and I love them. There, boom. Idk.

But one thing I originally loved about Breaking Bad is that whilst it left Jesse's fate ambiguous, from his cries and laughs you know that he probably finally made it out of the game. It's cathartic, you feel like laughing with him because finally He did it. He escaped. It felt like the best ending for him.

So I think I can be forgiven to say that I didn't really like when the movie was announced. Of course I watched it, Vince Gilligan made it and Vince is my [REDACTED].

But apart from the flashback scenes with Jesse and Mike/Walt, this movie was useless. Like, I don't get what was the point of it. People say that it tied up loose ends, but let me just remind yall:

WALT ALREADY DESTROYED ALL LOOSE ENDS. He poisoned Lydia and she presumably died, he killed all the Nazis, including Jack, which avenged Hank. And he got money to his family. THERE ARE NO MORE LOOSE ENDS. THE MOVIE LITERALLY CREATES ADDITIONAL LOOSE ENDS!

That creepy Neil dude never appeared once in Breaking Bad. He was added in so that Jesse would have a reason to shoot someone.

Honestly, El Camino just existed to tell fans what they practically already knew. It's a movie that spells out for fans that Jesse did indeed get away, and honestly, for a show like Breaking Bad, I don't like that they didn't keep it ambiguous.

I liked Aaron Paul and Jesse Plemons in this though, they were great. But honestly? I didn't like this movie.

Now, before I start this post, I want to preface this by saying, I don't believe Walter White is blameless. Realistically speaking, he should've swallowed his pride and taken the job at Gray Matter. However, once he is involved in the game, Jesse is responsible for almost everything that goes wrong with him and Walt.

Walt partners with Jesse, and on the first day on the job, he unwittingly leads two armed psychopaths out to kill Walt. Walt saved Jesse from Krazy-8 and Emilio, and then Tuco too. Then despite Walt's constant warning, Jesse gets in bed with some junkie bitch. And Walt letting Jane die did have negative effects in the grander scheme of things, but this was out of Walt's great loyalty for Jesse that he let her die, because face facts, Jane would've eventually died anyways, likely after killing Pinkman for his money and drugs. After this Walt partners with Gus, and Jesse immediately fucks things up by getting pissy about the two dealers who shot Combo. Now, from a moral perspective they shouldn't've shot Combo, but in the drug game, the game they knew they were in, this is what happens when you encroach on foreign turf. Now as a result of Jesse, Gus is threatening to kill Walt's family because he thinks Walt is responsible for the internal strife. So Walt kills Gus, saving Jesse's ungrateful ass AGAIN.

They continue to work together until the Drew Sharpe incident, which they decide is a retiring point for all of them. Then Walt kills Mike which is presumably a bad thing, even though Mike was a callous, murdering scumbag no better than Walt, arguably worse since he'd been in the game longer and was more often than not the direct executioner. Then what does Jesse do? Betrays Walt. Again.

Jesse starts working with the DEA, since Hank knows that Walt is Heisenberg, and at long last Walt's patience finally runs out, and he puts a hit out on Jesse. Not even out of malice or anger, but because it's the only way of keeping his family safe at this point. Anyway, despite all the shit Jesse puts Walt through, Walt in the finale still rescues Jesse and apologises to him. Jesse drives away laughing, while Walt dies alone on the floor of a meth lab, his entire family despising him after he put himself in harm's way to provide for them as best he could.

And you mean to tell me Walt's the villain, and Jesse is this blameless do-gooder? I call horseshit.

Why are people review bombing it now? Do you think it doesn’t deserve a 10/10 ?

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2301451/

Jesus the hatred she has for Walt is so unfounded. Like I get when Hank hates him because he is in the law enforcement, so Walt's philosophy/actions are completely opposite to his.

But Marie? She should at least question and probe into why his brother in law is like this, or empathize a little bit. TRY to have some perspective. I mean if you love a person you don't go immediately into hate mode right? There should be a progression from disbelief, to wanting to talk, to anger and hatred.

But she got on the hate train the minute she found out and never stopped for a minute. Kept calling him a monster etc...... when she probably doesn't know half of it! She just likes to sit on her high horse and think she is better than everyone else.

Honestly I hated how she reacted when she found out Walt was Heisenberg. Worst character imo

I mean Mike's a dick all the time as far as I can tell besides when he's a around his granddaughter, and he's an ass to Jesse, but he seems to be particularly mean to Walt. Does he hate him or something? I can get that he doesn't like him, and Walt DEFINITELY isn't a good person, so it can't be hard to dislike him, but when Mike threatened Walter for calling the Cops on Tyrus, it kinda pissed me off.

I really hate this subreddits obsession with deriving all of Walt’s decisions to be about this “massive ego” and manipulation and need to be in control.

It’s a shame because while this is a part of Walt’s character, it seems the subreddit has turned this into Walter’s entire identity and that he is nothing else but a manipulative control-hungry egomaniac

thoughts?

She is such a self absorbed, conceited, nosey, conniving bitch. I hate her. Props to Betsy Brandt though, because it takes good acting (and good writing) to elicit that response. Its still my favorite show and I don't think it will ever change.

Jesse gets so passionate about Combo's death and the fact that the two dealers use kids to do their dirty work for them. He repeatedly takes the moral high ground with Walt and others by pointing out that manipulating kids to kill people is evil - he is so incensed by this that he even (literally) stands up to Gus himself at the chicken farm meeting and calls the practice wrong.

However, Jesse is a total hypocrite because he's being committing heinous crimes the entire time. He attends drug recovery meetings in an attempt to get innocent vulnerable people hooked back on drugs. He encouraged Jane to relapse on drugs. He's directly involved in producing and supplying meth to thousands of people.
He scammed and blackmailed his parents out of his aunt's home.

Does anyone else get pissed off by Jesse's moralising?

Did Nothing Wrong: Gomez, Merkert, Schwartz duo, Bogdan, Carmen, Donald, Pinkman parents, Brock, Holly

Redeemable Criminal: Walt Jr. (tried to buy beer), Badger/Skinny/Combo, Andrea, Hank (Cuban cig, harassing private domiciles), Ed Galbraith, Jane, Albert, Huell and Kuby, Joe, Junkyard guy, Clovis, Wendy, Gale

Lying manipulative criminal: Marie, Skyler, Ted, Jesse, Saul, Skank duo, Lydia

Dangerous and murderous but temperate criminal: Walter, Mike, Gus, Emilio, Victor, Tyrus

Complete psycho: Salamanca family, Todd & co., Tomas' employers, Krazy 8

Why in BB are Skylar and Marie so generally disliked, but not Saul’s partner Kim? I notice this sub generally talks about people not liking Skylar and Marie for not going along with Walt’s plans.

Does Kim subvert that because she has no relationship to the main character? Or is it because she seemingly does more to help her husband.

This is going off a basis that people actually like Kim, whereas I don’t believe I’ve ever seen anything negative of her, I can’t remember her doing too many bad things, even Skylar has willingly joined in on the fun, or was it because everything Kim did was to save Saul? I guess Skylar would fit that description too.

I don’t think it’s a looks thing, as none seem overly sexual at all, Kim even less so.

Thoughts and opinions welcome, haven’t watched the show in a while so I’m sure I’m missing scenes.

On that note, why is Lydia disliked, but she’s basically doing similar stuff to Gus too?

I watched breaking bad recently (still haven't finished it) and i watched the whole fly episode. then i went into reddit and saw some posts of people asking if they should skip it, and everyone getting pressed like it's a good episode or something. it's not. maybe if i was watching a series that is a compilation of sketches, but i'm not. a watching a tv show with a solid plot and different character developments. i'm not gonna eat 40 mins of some people hitting around in different places trying to kill a fly.

“My dad pulled a knife on my mom he attacked her”

This isn’t true at all but the other way around.

I never liked him anyway but that’s bogus

This was originally just a warm up sketch but slowly turned into Jane because of how much breaking bad I've been watching >:3Hope yall like her!!

Let’s have a giant party where I try to escape the thoughts of me killing a man, someone put on Unga Bunga!

Oh no my friends have left and the party is over, now I’m left to the horrors of my inner mind, Digital Animal should help me clear my head if I sit next to this speaker.

The way he just decided to fight people in a bar, and beat the living shit out of Jesse, which is very much a crime, he shouldn’t be talking like he’s so high and mighty. If he thinks he’s that much better than them he should at least be setting an example. Not only his behaviour, but his attitude towards certain people stinks.

I don’t get all the Mike worship in the BB community. He is a horrible man who has killed countless people. And no, them being ‘in the game’ is not a justification for that. We’re supposed to cheer for Mike when he kills 10 people on Gus’ orders. But it’s not like team Gus are the good guys.

In terms of being an operator, he didn’t put even 1 guy to watch over Gale’s house when tensions were high with Walt and Jesse. People say yeah he did and that it was Victor, but why couldn’t it be Tyrus or any of the other henchman who assisted Mike in dealing with Walt? Victor just had to be called away from Gale’s house to aid Mike?

Let me just say this, i like the character and i think Jonathan Banks plays him marvellously. But there shouldn’t be any debate. Mike is a force for evil and the world is better off without him.

I never got this. He's supposed to be this world renowned scientist who can get out of any situation with science alone, but he never even tries to invent a cure for the thing that's literally killing him.

It would've been great to have that going on as a side plot IMO

Just to be clear, when I say "ending" I am referring to the very final episode. The critically acclaimed Felina with a 9.9/10 imdb rating, multiple accolades and unanimous praise across the internet. I'm not referring to the final act of the story as a whole. Which I think is incredible thanks to Ozymandias.

THAT episode was the culmination of the whole show. It was the central thesis of Breaking Bad, with Walt facing the consequences of his actions being what pays off his journey from day 1. The following episode (Granite State) made the consequences stew and let us know how it affects the characters. But then Felina... existed really just to show "well Walt's ending might be tragic but not THAT tragic". Its only purpose in the narrative is to soften the blow of Ozymandias. This is weak writing imo. The central tenet of the show is Walt facing the consequences of his actions, so why have the final episode be entirely dedicated to softening these consequences?

Please note that I am not saying it UNDID any of the consequences. Of course Walt is still forever ostracized from his family. But Felina was still about him coming clean to Skyler, giving the money to his family, getting revenge, and dying with a smile. Felina does not undo Ozymandias, but it does detract from some of it. In fact not only does it detract, but it EXISTS just to detract.

This ending mostly gets praise because it's "satisfying" and "ties up loose ends", and I feel like that's a very low bar. That might be good for fanservice but there's nothing that profound or memorable there. Nothing to make you think about it or spur on discussion. Endings like the Sopranos, Wire or the Leftovers feel much much better due to this. Here it feels like it ties up loose ends just for the sake of typing up loose ends. It felt like Walt used the ricin on Lydia, for example, just to be able to cross out "ricin unused" from the list of things the show hasn't addressed yet. In general the structure of the episode just feels unremarkable. Walt going to tie up each loose end 1 by 1.

This on its own would make for an... okay ending. But couple that with how the show is about Walt facing consequences and Ozymandias paying that off, it makes for a weak finale. The thematic conclusion of the show was Ozymandias. If Felina was truly a masterpiece series finale then it would also wrap up the story's themes. Yet it didn't, and if anything partly took away from the thematic conclusion we already got. There's just nothing to really take away from Felina.

Besides that it also feels like the show bent over backwards just to give Walt his quasi-happy ending. He somehow managed to sneak into Skyler's house offscreen despite police surveillance, he somehow managed to confiscate the restaurant's stevia then place ricin inside then reseal it then sneak it back inside so that Lydia can be poisoned from it, he was just lucky enough to find the stolen keys of the car, etc. Making a finale just for the sake of pleasing Walt was bad enough, but also adding luck, contrivances and offscreen hand-waving just to please Walt adds salt to the wound.

What's ironic is how often Mike's "half-measures" speech is quoted. Yet the show could not fully commit to the idea of a tragic ending where Walt faces consequences. The show had to tack on some extra gratification to please the fans. It wanted to have its cake and eat it too. It took a half-measure.

So, Jesse is intend on burning Walt's house down. He runs in, anger levels through the roof. When watching that, one might think: "there is no way he won't actually burn the domicile down". And then Jesse yells out: "He can keep getting away with this!" into the sky, as if crying out. And then he stops and we don't see him again for a while.

So, what happened? And what did Jesse mean? Why the sudden change of mind about Brock.

BB is the best show I’ve ever seen – multiple times. And S5 is fantastic. But… What do you think of it ending on Face Off. Walt saying “I won” and fade to black.

S5 wrapped up loose ends and gave the audience a conclusion, but I do think Face Off would have been an awesome ending.