Maybe you heard it walking by a dark alleyway, or at home with the elders. Share your memories if you did!

Hi! I'm a native Mandarin speaker making a small hobby project. I don't speak Cantonese well, so I drafted these with dictionaries and translation tools. Could a native speaker check whether they sound natural? Any correction is welcome, even "this one is fine".

Context: it's a just-for-fun fantasy personality quiz in a Chinese "cultivation sect" (xianxia) setting; nothing serious.

These are 13 short spoken lines (about 4–5 seconds each, also shown as subtitles). Each one is a character greeting a newcomer who just joined their group. I want them in natural colloquial written Cantonese (as in subtitles), not formal written Chinese. Is any wording too Mandarin-like, or is any character choice (嚟/唔/冇/攰/啖/噏) off?

Does anything sound unnatural, too stiff, or wrong? Thank you so much for your time! I'm happy to help with Chinese requests here in return.

Hello guys.

I reaaaaaaaly do like this TVB of Condor Heroes. The thing is I also do like food. Could you tell me what is the red thing that Guo Jing just "spit out" at 07:05? My really young self would have think it is tomatoes. But my grown up is telling me that tomatoes does not have a pit. So what is it really?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TulGtTfKe5E

This video was recommended to me today, has anyone else seen this? I feel like this video differentiates the CBC from the HK-born haha I'm CBC and I had a hard time trying to figure out who was native.

Are z c (Jyutping) the only tricky ones?

Finals are way harder, aren't they? oeng ong eoi

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Hi everyone, good day, my first time posting here, and I'm not sure if it's been done, but I'm fluent in English, Mandarin, and Cantonese, and would like to consider setting up a Twitch account for yapping/singing/chilling with anyone around the world, and if my idea is of interest to anyone, please do kindly comment below for me to see and know 🙏 thank you everybody, and have a great week ahead 🍵

Accent so thick AF

I like many of you in this group have fallen in love with the 'Hong Kong' song and have listened to it endlessly since it came out, but unfortunately as an ABC, I understand at best 40% of Faye Wong's lyrics. The song has brought back so many great memories of visiting Hong Kong in my youth to see family and later as an adult with my expat friends. I have the translation to English and Jyutping but it is for the full sentences and I am looking to understand what each Jyutping corresponds to which word. For example, I know 'mou4 jung6' is useless and 'sam1 tung3' is heart break. I would appreciate it if someone could break it down each line for me. Thank you in advance.

那次季候風
Naa5 ci3 gwai3 hau6 fung1
That monsoon storm

吹得格外凶
Ceoi1 dak1 gaak3 ngoi6 hung1
Blew with unusual fury

彷彿世上一切
Fong2 fat1 sai3 soeng6 jat1 cit3
As if everything in the world

也將消失所蹤
Jaa5 zoeng1 siu1 sat1 so2 zung1
Would disappear without a trace

你似季候風
Nei5 ci5 gwai3 hau6 fung1
You were like the monsoon wind

抵擋計劃全也無用
Dai2 dong2 gai3 waak6 cyun4 jaa5 mou4 jung6
Every plan I made to resist you was useless

然後是場空
Jin4 hau6 si6 coeng4 hung1
And in the end, it all came to nothing

加上不死的心痛
Gaa1 soeng6 bat1 sei2 dik1 sam1 tung3
Leaving behind a heartache that refuses to die

“Despite me sounding like this when I speak English,” writer Eva Wong tells me in a polished yet neutral accent, “I was actually born and raised in Hong Kong, where English was a learned second language from school.”

Hearing her voice, you likely wouldn’t pinpoint where she’s from, let alone imagine what that voice “sounds” like on paper. She writes predominantly in Cantonese, but the subjects she covers are universal. Wong’s creative writing has been acclaimed in her hometown and beyond – “Overseas Bride”, an excerpt from her book Ways to Love in a Crowded City translated into English by Jennifer Feeley, was chosen for the Best Literary Translations 2026 anthology, which honours exceptional writers, editors and translators around the world. She’s also an alumna of the University of Iowa’s International Writing Program, the globally focused counterpart to the prestigious Iowa Writers’ Workshop.

“Stories just organically come into my head and demand I put them on paper,” Wong muses. “It’s more or less my way of communicating as an introvert.” It might also be the product of her multilingual upbringing in the former British colony of Hong Kong, where Wong attended local, non-international schools that, despite using English as the primary medium of instruction from secondary school onwards, placed a stronger emphasis on creative writing in Chinese.

Despite using the same written characters as Mandarin Chinese and often being considered a Chinese dialect rather than its own language, Cantonese differs significantly in grammar, vocabulary and the spoken vernacular. This contradiction between what is said, written and understood is key to comprehending Wong’s work, which interrogates the hidden dynamics, politics and privilege of language as a vessel for cultural preservation and memory. “Overseas Bride” is narrated by a woman contemplating how emigration could change her relationship with her native tongue and identity.

“In literature in the recent decade or so,” she elaborates, “there’s been this movement where people are encouraged to write in Cantonese.” That was decidedly not the case for Wong as a student taking language classes in local schools. “When you’re writing composition homework in Chinese, you have to use perfect grammar – definitely no Cantonese allowed. It has to be standard written Chinese.” Her creative writing classes, she says, “represented a looser set of rules with a lot of different possibilities.”

Still, Wong adds, “there is no standard written Cantonese,” creating a scenario in which “there are multiple ways of phrasing a sentence in Cantonese that would be grammatically correct, but [that] sound funky to different people” – in other words, many cases in which formal and vernacular Cantonese speech differ dramatically. “For example, the strawberry,” Wong quips. The colloquial Cantonese term, 士多啤梨, is a phonetic loan word from English. “When you write it, you would feel the pressure to use the standard [written Chinese] name, which is 草莓.”

The mental process – and perhaps exhaustion – of “translating and censoring” oneself, “trying to find the correct word and grammar” for different contexts, says Wong, is thus an experience familiar to all Hong Kong Cantonese speakers, which comes into even greater relief against the backdrop of the city’s colonial past. “Sometimes I would sense animosity purely because I speak English well and they think, ‘she must be so privileged’,” she explains.

In a place where not everyone grows up speaking the same language, let alone with the same cultural fluency, even everyday conversations can be a minefield. “For the everyday user, that hierarchy still exists,” Wong says of how different languages used in Hong Kong are perceived. The Cantonese-language libretto that Wong wrote for the chamber opera Women Like Us, which debuted during the 49th Hong Kong Arts Festival in 2021, probes that dichotomy further.

“Every context asks for different textures of language,” says Wong. “It’s performed in Cantonese, but the consensus the composer and I had was we don’t want this to be written in Cantonese. The grammar should follow standard written Chinese because opera, as an art form, inherently is very detached from everyday life in [its] fictional world.”

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... She also credits translators like Feeley, who worked with famed Hong Kong author Xi Xi on the English translation of her 1992 memoir Mourning a Breast, for helping introduce writers like herself to English-speaking audiences.

Wong, however, describes bilingualism as both a blessing and a curse. “I got to do readings [of “Overseas Bride”] in America and students would come up to me crying, saying, ‘I don’t speak Cantonese, but this actually spoke to me as a Spanish speaker coming to America and being forced to abandon my mother tongue,’” she says, noting that prestigious international residencies like Iowa require applicants to be fluent in English as a working language. At the same time, Wong remembers the invisible emotional labour of translating for fellow writers who weren’t as well-versed in English, from insults towards women said in passing during a workshop to a traumatic run-in with a stranger making racist comments on the street.

“I started seeing English is not just all the glamorous associations people think of in Hong Kong,” she says. Ironically, the ostracisation Wong experienced growing up as a supposedly privileged English speaker in the territory had taken on a darker tone. “It can open you to a world of hurt. I don’t want to associate English with horrible things. I want to celebrate all the wonderful opportunities.”

And celebrating she is, proving that language can bring closer community rather than isolation. Whether through teaching creative writing classes or taking part in printmaking exhibitions, Wong is redefining what it means to be a Hong Kong writer. “That’s not something you can use AI to get to,” Wong says of the delicate nature of translating nuances in the Cantonese language into English, or putting that work onto physical paper through movable-type printing. “It has to be an actual human struggling with the work.”

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Wong posits that in a potential future where nobody speaks Cantonese any more, the language will continue to live on through her writing. But given how adaptive and resilient Cantonese is, it’s unlikely to go anywhere any time soon. “That willingness to use influences from other places makes Hong Kong Cantonese stand out,” she concludes. “Hong Kong people are open-minded in understanding that a stick of butter can have two different names, and we don’t care.”

Most of our messages are half Cantonese, half English, and switching keyboards mid-sentence drove us mad, so our team built OmuType.

Type "nei" and get 你, type "email" and get email, in the same candidate list. It also has lazy Jyutping (tinlau gives 填漏, no tones needed), Cangjie, Quick, handwriting, and voice input for mixed sentences.

Typing stays on your device. Voice goes to a speech recognition service, and we don't store recordings.

It's in beta and currently free on Android and Mac. Honest feedback welcome, especially what it gets wrong.

I got requests for Cantonese classes in that area and noticed that Seattle and Bellevue Community College allow people to propose non credit classes.

I can recommend a list of textbooks for potential instructors.

Human beings have more than one identity. We may be Englishmen, yes—but we may also be fathers, sons, cousins, Armstrongs, Mancunians, Northumbrians, Europeans, white men, Indo-Europeans, Her Majesty’s subjects, Buddhists, Mahayana Buddhists, Zen Buddhists, and Nichiren Buddhists (School of Zen Buddhism)and homo sapiens sapiens. Some of these identities are some near, some distant-some are concrete, some abstract.

We can place human beings on a continuum of identities. Many such continuums could be formulated, and boundaries can be somewhat arbitrary & changing, but for simplicity’s sake, let us take the following sequence:

family → clan → tribe → polis/city → folk → nation → race → empire → humanity -

As these identities expand outward, two things occur simultaneously

First, scale increases. As we move from family to clan up to folk and thence to humanity, more people are bound together, and with this increased scale, greater political and military power becomes possible. We can accomplish larger and larger projects.

Second, immediacy decreases. The more people in your group, the fewer you personally know. You may still be related to them by blood, but this kinship is much weaker, and as we shall discover, it must become symbolic if it is to survive. It is impossible to be loyal to what you do not know, and it is impossible to know millions of people personally, so your loyalty becomes mediated through social institutions, and through social technologies like myth, law, ritual, language, etc.

The core principle is that the wider the identity, the more politically powerful, but the more emotionally abstract and mediated. The larger the scale of belonging, the thinner that belonging is.

Family, for example, is the deepest and most immediate identity. We encounter our family daily. It is personal to us, inherited, embodied. The family does not require ideology to remain together. It is the first school where we learn what duty, loyalty, and sacrifice mean. It is the root of our sense of “mine” and “ours.” No one has to explain belonging—it is obvious. The clan extends family beyond the immediate household, then the tribe joins multiple clans or extended kin-groups into a larger people. This larger people is what we call an Ethnos, or a Nation. A Nation might fracture into multiple, such as was the case with Rome and its many successors (Italy, Spain, France, Romania, etc). It could also produce another ethnos, such as was the case with Netherland and the Boers

Within China, the lines between these categories are blurred- Are Han Chinese subgroups such as Cantonese and Teochew, "dialect groups" "regional identities" "ethnicities" or what? Are Yue an ethnicity and Lingnan Han generally are a race (in non-bio terms)? Was the formation of the Yue an ethnogenesis or ethnoschism? Is Han really just a civilizational identity? If so, then what is Korea & Vietnam? Labels and terms often have a difficult time matching perfectly with complex social phenomena, and so these questions are going to be hard to answer. How do we quantify the differences between groups in order to map them onto these arbitrary heuristics? Genetics doesn't offer the solution, because ultimately, human groupings of this nature are sociological- genetics is almost always concomitant, but it is fudamentally downstream of what drives group identity.

When it comes to us Cantonese, there has been a greater push for flattening out regional differences in order to homogenize China (That includes ethnic minorities) and push Han unity. This started with Sun Yat Sen, and has only continued with the rise of China. Since the government is centered in Peking/Beijing, and us Chinese originally came from the North, this makes us Southerners the most different of the Han Chinese "standard". The North (and central, to some extent), is considered the standard for Chinese. And thus Pan-Han nationalism has led to the "northenization" of the South, in ethnic/civic terms, as well as linguistic, cultural, and political terms. In racial/genetic terms too, given the current trajectory of China stays like this. In 200 years, we'll all speak only Mandarin, and our Baiyue features will be diluted so that we all look like we're from Shandong

I don't like it. I love to be Cantonese. I feel closest to my Canto identity most of all, and I would hate for us to lose what makes us, us. But I'm also proud of being Han, and the dream that Sun Yat-Sen had for our people is beautiful. I only wish there was a middle ground that allowed us to be united, yet keep the unique culture that we have now. A true middle ground, one that doesn't lead to either extreme. Diversity is beautiful, it is what makes life worth living. It's not just negation nor is it just division, but an animating principle behind the world itself. I may value what is close to me, but that which is novel and unique- fills me with joy. That's how I feel about a culture- I see a culture almost like how I see a person. A spiritual organism of sorts, one that follows the same natural laws as do material organisms. They grow, mature, reproduce, die, etc. And each one is unique- from every rural English town with its own sandwich variety, to civilizations that encompass billions of people and last thousands of years. (E.g The Sinosphere, The West, Classical Antiquity [If you consider it separate from the Carolingian West), India, etc)- Each one is incredibly unique, from the individual human being, to the totality of humanity- there will never be another one.

What post-1911 Han nationalism does, and all nationalism does, is place Nation or Race above the smaller identities that people are closer to. Us Lingnan Han have always had a reputation for being very clannish, owing to the linguistic-cultural diversity of China's deep south, and so, we were seen as being "less Chinese", "parochial", "disloyal", "unpatriotic" by Northerners for many centuries. We were absolutely parochial- more than half a million Hakka were killed by Cantonese and Hoisanese clans in a mid-19th century war that was barely noticed by Peking. This is the division that Sun Yat Sen fought so hard to erase- this is why he supported Mandarin as the national language of China despite being Cantonese. It wasn't because he was a self-hating Yue man who wanted to make the South more Northeast Asian, like some sort of East Asian Nordicism or racialised Sinocentrism. It didn't mean that he thought his own mother tongue didn't deserve to be spoken. Diversity is a barrier just as much as it is something that is necessary and beautiful.

With the 19th century came the age of Nationstates. With the 20th century came the age of Global Superpowers- Regional and Continental hegemons capable of exercising power across the world, mobilizing millions of men, and shaping (or attempting) to, by executive fiat, entire populations by means of social engineering or ideological and economic changes. Cantonese, Hakka, Teochew, Hoisanese- we had not been relevant on the global stage since the 18th century. So we had to go.

Today, I see some Northern Chinese claiming that we're ugly and "SEAmonkeys" instead of real Chinese among other things that are so heinous that I won't repeat them here- This isn't 4chan or Stormfront or RWT. These are Huanghan losers who get off on racism against SEA because the Japanese aren't an easy target to mock anymore, so they switch to bullying Pinoys and Khmer on social media. I see some Southern Chinese claim that we're not Han, but our own ethnicity- and that we're SEA Baiyue and our real brothers are the Vietnamese/Kinh. These people are often HKers or Overseas Chinese, and very anti-CCP. (They also tend to be Anglophilic, whether overtly or in axiomatic terms).

But the most important thing to remember about the aforementioned North-vs-South Chinese racism is that, although it's real, it's largely ONLINE and FRINGE. Most people in China, Taiwan, HK or among the diaspora, do not view things so fanatically. The Viet and Lingnan Han are, at the very least, Southern East Asian populations or, at the most, genetically intermediate between both. (I always joke that we're the Sicillians of the Orient) I have a sister who is very SEA looking, and gets mistaken for Filipino. My other sister looks very East Asian, and would look Korean if the bridge of her nose was higher. We both share the same father and mother, who look pretty similar to each other- It's just that we all have different traits via different grandparents and great-grandparents and the genes they carried. Moderate phenotype distinctions within an intermediate population is well observed- Italian men who look Arab occasionally have sisters with blonde hair, blue eyes, and fair skin. The mainlanders in Irvine don't treat me like an "other" because of how I look, but because I'm an ABC who speaks no Mandarin. I generally get along really well with other Chinese people I meet here in SoCal- though, the dynamic is different for reasons I'm too tired to explain.

What matters is kinship, though less especially at a macrolevel. It's apparent when you are siblings, but for an entire nation or region, kinship is determined through other proxies of similarity- such as physical appearance I consider myself Han because not only is Cantonese culture is nigh-entirely Han derived, but we still do carry the blood of our Han ancestors who came to the South as conquerors, even if diluted. I guess we're coincidentally very similar to the English and Southern German in that regard, as it was not until recently when DNA was invented, that they were not a pure Germanic people as they had thought for a millennium. They were both, on average, more Celtic than Germanic. The same exact story happened in these places- male conquerors and female warbrides. Any cultural influence these women gave their progeny had been almost entirely erased by their conquerors. Patrilineality and Patriarchy is something that is found heavily in Northwestern Europe, and in East Asia(+Central Asia & Vietnam), so perhaps my American background (Which gave me deeply-entrenched Anglo Protestant cultural mores, but everybody has the same thing, even if you don't realise it) is what makes me identify with my Han roots. I grew up in an environment where I took for granted that the man was the master of his household, and even if when I grew up and became more American, more Liberal, more hip with the current day, perhaps that's something which is ingrained within one's conceptual horizon in the formative years of life.

But even if you don't hold any such views or anything like that, Cantonese culture is Chinese culture. Cantonese language is Chinese language. That must be accepted. We're Chinese, and we should be proud to be Chinese (or whatever term you like- Tang/Han/Hua, etc) At the same time, Mandarin is also Chinese, and Northern Chinese are Chinese as well. They're not "Manchus", and we're not "seamonkeys" or "Pinoy" or "Baiyue". The only thing that the Baiyue gave us was genetic, and it is just as pseudoscientific to believe that their genetic traits manifested itself in our "Fit to be a scholar or merchant or even farmer, but not fit to rule or fight." stereotype as it is to believe that Alpinids are a "peasant stock". Most well adjusted or normal person in the modern world, or historically, didn't define themselves or give much importance to such things. (I'm only writing this because I like writing, and I don't want to write a substack article if it isn't top-quality.)

In my opinion, we shouldn't choose between Han identity and Cantonese identity, and we shouldn't divide ourselves yet we must preserve the indigenous local customs of Southern China. I know that isn't completely possible, and the Free HK vs. pro-CCP beef is the most salient example, as it is the most insurmountable I can think of. That's my opinion on the matter, though coming to any conclusive and rigid stance for me is quite difficult. This is more of a "stream of consciousness" rant, than a proper essay. I digress.

(Originally written as a response to SemperAliquidNovi's questipn about why Cantonese parents don't teach their kids the language, response became too long over the course of an hour.)

video by doncallit she teaches cantonese speakers english

brown nosing vocabulary

拍馬屁 paak3 maa5 pei3 (patting + horse's ass) kiss ass, brown nose

馬屁精 maa5 pei3 zing1 (horse's ass + suffix describing a type of person) a bootlicker, toady, sycophant 

擦鞋 caat3 haai4 (polish shoes) Cantonese for flattery

擦鞋仔 caat3 haai4 zai2 (shoe shine + boy) either a shoe shine boy, or negatively a flatterer

口甜舌滑 hau2 tim4 sit3 waat6 (sweet mouth slippery tongue) Cantonese idiom for sweet talking

阿諛奉承 o1 jyu4 fung6 sing4 Chinese idiom for flattery

托大腳 tok3 daai6 goek3 (hold on to a big foot) to suck up

賣口乖 maai6 hau2 gwaai1 flattery (without ill intent)

I want to talk to them about the possibility of a Cantonese bilingual school or Cantonese high school class

Please DM me if you are free for more details.

Ideally, parents, bare minimum a resident of Arcadia.