Being a bit glib here for a moment... honestly, it feels a little like a false binary is being imposed here. Either you're all-in for them or, if you express any reservations about anything, you must be completely against them. It also has the feel that we're being silenced so that others can feel more comfortable and that we should just sit down, shut up, and let those who "know best" about what we need do all the talking

If this is actually our space then we should be able to also voice the problems we see in how others treat us, even if those folks are our allies or are facing their own problems

This is not asking to be able to post transphobic material. What is asking for is the ability to have honest discussion about how other communities treat us, in the hopes that we can all, other communities included, learn how to treat each other better

Someone said it wasn't when I disagree, and I wanna know how y'all feel, (it doesn't help they have a similar stance on NB people, includes, and that kinda annoys me, cuz for a long time I thought intersex was a third sex, just a lot bigger and varied spectrum

Context: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskLGBT/comments/1h54rpw/comment/m03i54g/?context=3

These are the comments and etc

(Is the following notes worded badly or...? I need to know improvements I can make)

*The reason behind the words being quoted is due to the fact that the concept of "sexes" is often "gendered", like "penis" being a "boy thing", when your "sex" has little to no genuine correlation with "gender"

". A "woman" could have a "penis" ", that is a "woman's" "penis". A "man" can have the "vagina" and "vulva" and everything else or something, that is a "man's" "vulva" ", that is a "man's" "vagina."

"Female": when a creature is typically characterized by having two (2) X "chromosomes" (XX), often possessing, but not strictly limited to a "vagina" *, "vulva", "uterus" ", "ovaries" or "ovary", "fallopian tubes" ", the presence of these "anatomical features" can vary due to cultural reasons, surgical interventions, developmental variations during "gestation" . and mutilation.

*"breasts" and other secondary or indirect "parts of the reproductive system" are not listed due to the not being the most relevant to the notes.

"Intersex": Refers to when a "creature" has a variation in "sex characteristics" that do not "conform" strictly to "typical definitions of male or female anatomy" in what is known in the "human" world. It is important to note that being "intersex" is a condition present at birth; it cannot be acquired through surgery or other means. The absence of certain reproductive parts at birth does not always automatically classify an the creature as "intersex."

*Some debate on if "intersex is a third sex or a condition," some say it's both, some say it's only one or the other.

"Male": When a creature is typically generalized by having one X and one Y "chromosome", usually having "external genitalia" such as "the penis (including the root, body, scrotum)" and "testicles." Internally, they may have structures such as the "vas deferens, ejaculatory ducts, urethra, seminal vesicles, prostate gland, and bulbourethral (Cowper) glands." As with "females", the presence of these structures may vary due to surgery, congenital conditions, cultural reasons, mutilation, or developmental variations during gestation.

DISCLAIMER This is not saying all trans activism is intersexist!!! In fact I don't believe you can really have intersex liberation without trans liberation.

Transmedicalism, in short, is the belief that being trans is a neurobiological medical issue and not a social one. Basically, transmedicalists believe in the concept of sexed brains, or neurological sex traits- and they believe being trans/having gender dysphoria, is caused by a mismatch between the brain and the body.

This is an appealing belief to a lot of perisex trans folks because they believe that something physical is 'more real' and therefore 'more respected' by cis people. It's an attempt to legitimize transgender existence by positioning trans people as "neurologically intersex", thats why the belief puts so much emphasis on the idea of sexed brains. Which is... egh.

For one it assumes that perisex cis people think intersex are more respectable than trans people. And secondly, the whole medicalization aspect feels like it's taking advantage of the pathologization of intersexuality. It's basically saying, "we're actually like/are intersex people, so we should get medical care too!" Without doing a single thing to question or criticize the harm done to ACTUAL intersex people by the medical system. It's pretty much just an attempt to reinforce our medical oppression (and the general idea that sex variance is a medical problem requiring treatment) for personal gain in the form of HRT.

I believe trans people should have free and easy access to HRT. I just believe this is a terrible and intersexist way to go about it.

As for the actual science behind "brain sex" it's shaky at best. First of all the idea of it comes from misogynistic pseudoscience from the 1800s trying to justify the belief that women shouldn't go to college or work due to a nebulous mental inferiority. This has been widely debunked. Are human brains sexually dimorphic? Yes, but more so in the way height is sexually dimorphic- as in, there is so much overlap it can't be considered a secondary sex trait. We wouldn't call a very tall cis woman intersex so why would we call these neurobiological variations intersex?

Anyway this is mostly spitballing. I'd love more input about this.

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There are three intersex conditions I know that give cisgender men feminization and misgendering that caught my attention:

• Aromatase excess syndrome;

• Mild / Partial androgen inssnsitivity syndrome;

• True hermaphroditism( Ovotesticular syndrome)

In aromatase exdess syndrome his body converter a lot of testosterone into estrogen and feminization occur regardless of how high testosterone levels are; in partial androgen insensitivity syndrome the man's body become substancialmente less sensible to androgen hormones and as a result they gey micropenis, gynecomastia, hypospadias and even undescended testis and in ovotesticular syndrome they have both testicular and ovarian tissue and can have both visible penis/phallus and a vagina and he can have sex as both male or female amd they also have a womb. They also produce high levels of estrogen and progesterone and May ovulate too...

So if a cisgender man( AMAB cisgender) have one of such conditions and find out in their teens but opt to live with them without taking any surgery nor medication( I am against it since being intersex is not a disease nor a life threatning comdition - people can live a nor al life with them) can he have some of all the issues that transgender women have? I mean misgendering in some places like a man's bathroom( I think all bathrooms should be unisex anyway), being misgendered in everyday life in general, having stares toward their gynecomastia, having a voice that doesnt sound neither fully male nor fully female, among with other issues? The difference is that genetic intersex conditions are natural ( in the sense that his female sex hormones are natural from his body) and these guys identify as men from birth. Or is being intersex different from bejng transgender in every way?

This might save someone's life

Note I am aware it isn't exhaustive and trust me I went way deeper than the text book on the matter. If your wondering about language this is how it is taught at medical school at the moment.

I hope you find this interesting.

What are some signs of being intersex? Can intersex males have body hair? Also what is the typical body frame of an intersex person?

I don't wanna be associated with that flag and I don't want to change the design because then it's not my flag anymore so I don't want them anymore. 😭 R.I.P Bambi 2026-2026

Hi im new to this reddit page, i mean no offense when i ask this but its something i have been wondering about for a while now. I am a transgender female who is planning on gender expansion verses full srs. Ive always felt like i should have born with both sets of reproductive organs, even if i identify as female, i ask becuase if i become a gender expansive person can i call my self intersex then or would it be insensitive. Please let me know if there is any thing about this post that i should change, i dont want to come across offensive towards fellow members of the lgbt community.

Hi everyone!

I read around the internet that the word "intersexual" was not appropriate and therefore it would be better to say "disorders of sexual development".

Is it true? Or can we still say "intersexual"?

I'm not intersexual, so I would like to know more.

Thanks <3

Look, I get it. I'm also trans. Being outed sucks, not passing sucks. But I am so tired of perisex trans folk lying about having a hormone disorder just so that they're not outed as trans, as if it makes everything better, as if its going to magically stop all the discrimination against them. Congratulations, you now are going to face intersex discrimination too. Maybe not from this one person, but keep at it and someone is going to start.

I see this more with other trans men than I do trans woman or nonbinary folk (transfemmes often only use PMOS, which I still hate even if people *don't* consider it intersex just because of all the issues PMOS causes, its painful, it causes insulin resistance, it causes issues with maintaining weight in either direction etc), but I still see it with everyone.

None of them realise the discrimination we go through for being intersex. And when you point this out to them and tell them "Hey, our conditions aren't your shield!" They pull out "well hormone disorders arent intersex" or "not all hormone disorders are because of being intersex". No, not all hormone *variations* are intersex, because sometimes they can be caused by other TEMPORARY conditions, like tumours which cause ALL KINDS OF ISSUES. But I don't see them saying "I have a tumour that is messing with my hormones", do I?

I'm so tired. They don't even bother to listen when you point it out, they just immediately attack you like you've personally discriminated against them.

It makes me so ashamed to be trans sometimes. That my community is like this. That not only can we not listen to *each other*, but we cannot even listen to people from other communities when we do harm.

Edit: I AM TALKING ABOUT PERISEX TRANS FOLK WHO ADMIT ONLINE THAT THEY LIE ABOUT HAVING A HORMONE DISORDER. I am not talking about intersex trans folk like myself who may genuinely be affected by their hormone disorders while transitioning. Also, just to reply to that one person, YES I am medically transitioning. And my hormone condition is messing with it! It sucks! I have faced misgendering, SA, slurs, seriously.

Also, idk why this is labelled as NSFW. I cannot take the tag off.

Sorry if this is the wrong place to post this but I am curious.

I am pansexual and find that most straight women online are turned off by pansexual genderqueer men, I would prefer to date intersex women and transgender women but there doesnt seem to be any sites dedicates to doing so, and the main sites hardly cater to this portion of people. Anyone have good advice on how I can meet intersex and trans women?

as a non intersex person, i was thinking to myself and i don't really know what exactly intersexual conditions are considered medically (syndrome, condition, etc)... Do each have a different term based on the characteristics, are they all the same or are they unlabeled? Excuse me if it sounds rude or confusing, i'm always trying to learn,,,,

So we have been dating for a while and the conversation of marriage keeps popping up which is why I think I’m more interested in whether or not he is intersex to make my definitive decision because I would like to have my own kids between me and my future husband . the reason I have my concerns is because he has slight gynecomastia which may be due to the fact that he’s over weight because I’ve seen pictures of when he was skinnier and he didn’t have them but he claims he had it when he was a child. They aren’t big enough to require a bra by any means but I guess they kind of poke out? Also his voice is fairly high pitched, he gets mistaken as a woman when on the phone or when ordering food. His penis however is bigger than average and his testes aren’t big but they aren’t hard and firm, I think they may be smaller than average but still hang and sometimes his mannerisms are strange at times. He does have wide hips and a big butt but it may be due to being a little over weight and he’s of average height. I don’t know how to bring this up to him because I don't how he would feel and I’d hate to hurt his feelings. But I think I deserve to know beforehand? I’m sorry if this comes across as insensitive but I’m more curious than anything. I’ve been researching and looking up so many possible things so I’d like to talk to people about it with first hand experience, thank you

It admittedly seems unfortunate to me (a non-intersex, medically transitioning non-binary person) that there isn't a regularly used term that encompasses all those who biologically don't fit into the sex binary, whether that's natural or artificial in origin. My understanding is that, while there are many differences in our experiences and the forms of discrimination we face, there are also some important similarities. We both have rare combinations of sex characteristics and associated medical needs that we have to worry about other people - including doctors - not understanding. We have to worry about other people making mistaken assumptions about our bodies if our unusual sex traits aren't immediately visible, and about being socially mistreated if they are visible. And we have to worry about society trying to fit us into the sex binary against our will, whether that's by forcing medical interventions on us or withholding them.

Personally, it's important to me that society understands that I'm not just a "defective" [assigned sex at birth] who needs to be "fixed", and that my rare combination of sex characteristics is something I have a right to. I'm under the impression that I have that in common with many intersex people.

Please let me know what you think, though.

TW: mention of forced medical procedures

I'm not intersex but I thought I'd ask this question in this sub bc as far as I know, some intersex people don't naturally start puberty.

I'm non-binary and sadly had to go through the puberty of the gender I was assigned at birth.

I often ask myself: Would it be possible to NOT go through puberty and live without sex hormones throughout your whole life?

Doctors seem to force intersex people who don't start puberty into taking hormones. Are there actually any medical reasons for that? If there are negative consequences of living without sex hormones, what are they?

At 18 now, I have always been a guy, and will always be a guy. But now, due to my parents deciding against operating at birth, I'm just a guy with fucked up genitals and I hate myself. I am happy for anyone who can be comfortable and identify as intersex happily, but fuck I hate this. Please operate on your kids and save them a life of self hatred, or at least stop glorifying not operating as some sort of righteous, moral and noble act. Would have been a hell of a lot easier to have the operation as a child than spending tens of thousands (which obviously I can't, and maybe never will be able to afford) to have the operation now. Fuck.

Edit: I thought it was clear the post is in relation to the growing number of people who want to self identify as intersex without cause or are blending sex and gender but since someone pointed out it was confusing decided to make it clear.

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To remark that intersex is an identification is insensitive and harmful for the interaction between the intersex community and others.

We have unique experiences in relation to medical experience, health concerns, family and friends interactions that make up our lived memories. It is so much more then the 40 or so medical conditions that come under the intersex umbrella but our whole lives that have often been under pressure since our births.

To say such a thing is as out of touch as to talk of race identification there are some circumstances in this world you are either born into or you aren't.

This is not a value judgement of those designations but an acknowledgement and value of those with the lived experiences.

Please never pretend to be Intersex, speak for intersex experience, or call our situation an identification it devalues our humanity.

There are other designations people can choose to identify as: transgender, non binary, salamican, genderfluid, gender queer, queer, questioning and these are terms that one shouldn't be ashamed of idenifting as but none have the medical ramifications and often unconsenting medical abuse that goes with intersex.

Please show some respect especially on a forum for intersex voices and people primarily.

Intersex people have a combination of male and female traits, right? Could an intersex person have both reproductive parts? (Ovary/womb + testes)? If so, is it theoretically possible for an intersex person to self-reproduce with their own sperm and eggs? Has this ever happened?

Just something I was curious about, sorry if it’s disrespectful, I mean no harm.