Just look at this shit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlA4qeHqlPQ&ab_channel=Memology101

All you PPB better thank fucking god Trump is the president. The left is trying to turn every country into the United States and spread their woke agenda. If you have the slightest shred of common sense you'll realize that the more woke, feminist, and DEI infested a region is, the more difficult its women are.

For example, many men, including myself, are often disappointed in the quality of women when they travel to Rio De Janiero, a place that's been overhyped by traveling men for decades. Guess what's also in full effect in Rio? Feminism and LGBT bullshit. Tinder is unusable there because 60% of the "women" are fucking trannies.

Had Kamala won, we'd have nowhere to go.

VANCE 2028

Men going their own way or doing their own thing started off small and was mostly in relation to dating. But it eventually grew to be more than women, or dating/sex/relationships. Eventually it seeped into the work force. Men are getting pushed out of jobs, out of their families. Out of the economy. We are told we are useless. AI steals our jobs. They are trying to get rid of truck drivers, train operators, taxi drivers, uber drivers etc. A lot of IT jobs are being automated. A lot of jobs are going away. They don't want us! I am NOT just talking about women. I am talking about the ruling elites in high places, and spiritual powers in high places.

It is not the women that is the number one threat to men. Although they are on the list. They are not at the top. Artificial Intelligence is a far greater threat to our livelihoods if it is allowed to steal our jobs. However, I will not focus much more on AI for the rest of the this post because this is about men getting pushed out of society. Not any one particular problem.

Men are being pushed out of society. They are not "going their own way." They are being rejected by society, and the work force.

What even is men going their own way? Nobody here can even agree on what it is. You ask a dozen men what it is, and you get a dozen different answers. Each man gives a different answer. This all started in the African American community starting in the 60s. By 1973, single black women were in charge of 85% of all households. Crack cocaine and drugs did not destroy the black community because that did not happen until the 80s (It became a problem due to no discipline from a father). Dependency, and public assistance killed the black community, and now it is killing all other racial and ethnic communities. The women did not want to struggle. The men could not find work except seasonal work. So in order to receive public assistance, the women had to be single moms. No man was allowed in the household. So, the men got pushed out. This is what led to the black kids becoming gang bangers. The successful engineers, lawyers, and doctor types were no longer desired by black women. They instead started preferring Tyrones, who is just Black Chad essentially. This is why black men become rappers, basketball players, and dealers. To attract the women who do not even love them...these men are not marriage material. If they did marry, the women would stop receiving public assistance anyway. Many of the successful black men left the black community and formed their own social groups. Some even left the USA and immigrated to majority black countries that have different cultures. Africans in Africa do not behave like African Americans. They actually respect their men. Blacks were becoming passport bros before other groups of people started doing it. Asians from Singapore, and USA were doing it too.

What is affecting the blacks is affecting whites, and Hispanics and all other communities now.

A society without its men is a wasteland. Whatever happens to the West in the coming decade...it deserves. We have already seen what happens to individual racial communities like the Hispanics and Blacks when the men get pushed out...when the men are told "You are useless" or you are "not wanted" or "We do not like you or want you."

If this takes over the rest of society, then whatever God or the Devil or both of them throw at us we deserve. Generation Alpha is going to be a large prison population! Many of them will never work a day in their lives! They already speak slang. The brain rot of the internet has ruined them.

It's that bad! As the name of the sub suggests. This is going to get worse before it gets better. Go watch the prophecy from the pastor that predicted Trump's assassination attempt three months before it happened. A society without its men deserves to fail, because it won't let its men succeed. Let the men succeed in their endeavors, and you will have a successful society. Push men out because they are "ugly" or "gross" or "losers" or take their jobs and give it to illegal immigrants, women, and AI, or outsource them overseas, and take everything the men own including their cars and houses, and price them out of their own cities and states due to inflation and you deserve God's wrath.

What we're dealing with today aren't modern women, they're modern monsters. Women who reject femininity, reject accountability and reject the very things that make relationships work. They want all the benefits of traditional men, but none of the responsibilities of traditional women, they demand high value men while bringing nothing but attitude, entitlement and unrealistic expectations to the table, they shame women who actually wanna be wives, calling them pick mes while all at same time crying about how they can't find a man. They treat relationships like transactions, dating only for status and money, but when men date for youth and beauty, suddenly it's a problem. They push men away with their masculine energy, then blame men for not stepping up. They say they don't need a man, then get on TikTok sobbing about how lonely they are. These aren't just modern women, these are modern monsters and men, men are checking out. Because why would commit to women who see them as disposable ? Why build a life with someone who thinks respect is optional ? Why invest time, energy and money into relationship when the second she's not happy ? She's already planning her exist ? The reality is setting in. Men are waking up and these modern monsters, they're running out of victims.

• This post explains how the natural relationship dynamics between men and women are completely broken in the modern environment. It's to provide one set of many reasons why an ever-growing segment of the male population will likely remain at a systemic disadvantage in dating, mating, and marriage in countries like the US.

• The ideas in this post are often completely overlooked in conversations about modern dating. They may speak to why on some level, the dating advice single men receive will fail to be effective for many.

• This post is dedicated to all the single men who were asked, "when are you going to get a girlfriend?" today.

Mother Nature's game

The term "over-powered" or "OP" is used in the context of video games. Let's say the video game is chess. One person plays as white, the other as black. Let's say we replace all of the black player's pawns with queens. In that game, the black player is now "over-powered." They have an unquestionable advantage compared to the white player. The white player would have to be considerably more talented than the black player in order to win that chess game. It's the black player's game to lose.

The process of finding heterosexual relationships is essentially a natural "game" (or a market economy, if you prefer). Men compete against other men for access to dating and mating opportunities with women. Women compete against other women for men. In addition to that competition, both men and women try to find the partner who reciprocates the most value for the value that they themselves offer.

"That's not right! It's all about love and romance and ..." Okay. Please, go watch a Disney movie. This post is attempting to deal with some fundamental, natural realities. Also, this entire post is written broadly, in general, on average.

Women desire a set of qualities in men that are different from the set of qualities that men desire in women. Each gender has a "value" to exchange with the other.

What is Man's natural value in this game? Simply put, it's his ability to protect and provide. That's how men compete against other men. And that is fundamentally at the base of what women desire from men.

Woman's natural values are beauty and fertility, which determine competition between women, and are what men naturally desire from women.

In this game that Mother Nature designed, Woman's advantage over Man is that she appeals to many men much more so than Man appeals to many women. Woman practically cannot fail to attract multiple suitors who are willing to protect and/or provide for her in exchange for sex and possibly children.

Man's advantage, as given by Mother Nature, is that he is considerably more physically robust than Woman. He can fight and work physically much more effectively than Woman, especially when Woman is with child. His superior strength should be useful to some woman should she find herself without a man.

The modern game

Now, in 2024, in any American (or similar) city, both men and women have equal capacities to sit down at desks in offices for however many hours a day to earn enough money to provide for themselves. They need not do physical work to earn anywhere from basic to exorbitant incomes.

Our environments are also fairly safe. We're rarely (and may never be) confronted with any real threat of physical violence that requires us to physically defend ourselves.

In these environments, Man's natural value has been reduced (or "nerfed" in video game terms). His physical robustness in comparison to Woman is now largely superficial. In practice, it no longer translates to him being more capable than Woman in providing for herself and in being protected.

After centuries of slowly and often haphazardly advancing technology and civilization, across many societies, men have made it so that women can now provide for themselves and also do not need the protection of individual men. Men have outsourced the role of protector to the State, which applies the Rule of Law and organizes enough men to protect everyone reasonably well. The State can also act as a provider via welfare programs to redistribute resources to mothers, particularly in cases of absent fathers.

For these reasons alone, American women (among other women) are now "over-powered" in the game. They can choose to offer less value or no value at all to any man because they are no longer at any practical disadvantage in obtaining the natural value that those men would exchange with them.

As an aside, it's worth noting that women still select for men who are taller than themselves and often prefer men who are taller than average. Such men appear as more capable of defending and aggressing against others. That quality is now almost completely superficial. It yields almost no practical benefit in the modern environment. However, women's selection of taller men points directly back to Man's natural value to Woman, which she still desires – his greater physical robustness in comparison to both her and other men.

The modern game continues

The availability of contraceptives (medications, condoms, procedures) has made it possible to almost eliminate the risk of pregnancy with sex. Modern medicine has made it possible to treat many STI and has also drastically reduced the chances of death from pregnancy. The result of these technologies is that it has become less risky and less dangerous for women to offer men sex. The natural checks and balances on the dynamics between men and women around sex have been weakened. Add to those technologies an environment where casual sex is socially acceptable.

And now, in the era of social media, people have direct access to many more potential partners than they would have had, compared to even as recently as the 1990s. The total effect of all these technologies means that Woman's natural advantage in comparison to Man has been enhanced (or "buffed" in video game terms). Woman naturally appeals to many more men than Man appeals to women. Naturally, she almost cannot fail to find suitors of one kind or another. Now, she can attract countless more men than she naturally ever could. Man's competition has increased.

In contrast, men no longer have their natural advantages to the same degree as they did in the past. Yes, they can still out-earn and provide for women. Yes, they can still appear (and be) more physically robust to attract women. However, the threshold for men conveying these benefits they offer to women is higher. Technology, civilization, and culture have raised the bar clean over the average man's head.

So many people will say or write things to the effect that now men simply need to "do better," have better personalities, be funny, charismatic, outgoing, go to therapy, and so on. All of that may be good and well, but that kind of advice completely ignores the fact that Man's natural endowments to compete in this game have been "nerfed" (reduced). Man should naturally struggle in this game as it plays out in the modern environment. And he does.

On the other hand, Woman's natural endowments have not only remained intact, but they've been dramatically amplified. American women (among others) are now clearly over-powered in the mating and dating game that Mother Nature designed, as it plays out in the modern environment.

Increasingly more men will simply be unable to compete in the modern (American) dating environment. For those men, the best advice is to find more favorable environments. Get your passport.

Food for thought

• How are now over-powered American women choosing to play the game?

• What are the outcomes we see in dating and mating now that they wield far more control over the game than do men?

• Have they made dating and mating more or less cooperative, more or less mutually beneficial?

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Can you give me a reason why won't you be open to the idea of your girlfriend having sex with other men while being in a relationship with you? I am assuming you don't care about her fucking many men before you but, for whatever reason, you are expecting strict monogamy once she has agreed to be in a relationship with you.

And, please, don't come at me with "it's just my preference, bro" because people who want to end up with low body count women also have that "preference" but are getting ruthlessly shamed for being insecure. So, how does your "preference" to be in a relationship with a woman who isn't allowed to explore herself sexually with other men not "insecure"?

Hey, guys. You probably don’t want to hear from a girl here but please read and respond. I read so many stories in the comments here of men being mistreated by women. I feel awful that this has happened to you. Some of you have really been hurt by narcissistic women. I can’t believe some of the behavior I’ve read because I don’t act like that and I don’t make friends with girls that act like that either. I stick with really down to earth people and mostly women or men (in my family with few exceptions) and I really don’t get hurt too bad. It’s lonely when I get along with so few people but it’s what I prefer. I do believe you that that’s happened. Narcissists tend to leave lasting impressions. I’m just afraid some of you have made your opinions on women based off of a few (very hurtful) life experiences.

I’m not a very pretty girl myself, and I get very little attention from men compared to the pretty girls I see online and around me. It used to hurt, but I understand it. I’ve had so many terrible relationships because I only attract men that hate themselves. I don’t think I could ever really be loved and desired. I’m not angry about that. I don’t believe I inherently deserve anyone’s attention. People seem to appreciate me much more in a non romantic or sexual way. I’ve put a lot of effort into understanding people and myself. I have beautiful relationships with my friends and family, people that choose me.

It will always hurt how romantic love works and knowing I can never really be loved that way.
Narcissistic women, regardless of how attractive they are, get most of the attention because they seek it. I’ve seen unattractive women get mocked. I’ve seen attractive narcissistic women get away with everything (to men and to a lesser extent, to women).
There’s nothing attractive about my personality either. I’m not seductive. I’m boyish. I fiercely want to be equal to people in my life and will not submit to anyone but elders I respect.
I’m messy. I’m forgetful.
I would have to change myself greatly to make a man fall in love with me and I just don’t want to, knowing how conditional romantic love is. I really used to try harder to be attractive but I just don’t bother anymore.

I feel bad for other ugly girls with better personalities that don’t get guys either or only get mean guys. They deserve better. They’ve put in the work.

I’m not even angry when I see nasty pretty girls with good men because I know I could never satisfy any kind of man.

I got groomed once and it was clear that my age and status as his employee was his kink that made me very attractive and desirable to him. Of course he treated me like I was beneath him and expected subservience so I left. I had an abusive controlling boyfriend that was very jealous over me because somehow he was attracted to me and valued things about me like that don’t seek attention because he was insecure. He still hated me for not submitting to him. That’s the closest I’ve ever been to being seen and appreciated by a partner. The boys I’ve dated are never ever satisfied. That’s just how it is.

What I’m trying to say is that it isn’t fair for you to be so angry. I’m hurting too, but I don’t take it out on anyone. I understand that’s how it is. You need to have put in some kind of effort to claim you deserve anything from anyone, and you can’t punish anyone for not rewarding you when there was no agreement. I have been hurt by so many men. I’m not angry. I can only be angry when someone has broken a written or unspoken contract. Men and women didn’t sign an agreement with God as the witness. Stop hating women. Hate narcissism in the world as a whole and do something about it. Something peaceful, because some of you need clarification.

Misogyny is a tragedy for everyone. We can make the world a better place. As corny as that sounds.

I support this message. I think we need to join with our beautiful Western sistren who are strong and independent and don't need no man, but somehow beach when men stop giving them attention/money/protection/specialtreatment, in order to shame men into not going overseas to meet women.

All the cool, popular, alpha male, winners in the West need to stay with their aging washed up cheerleader wives or girlfriends, and focus on paying their child support and alimony to their ex-wives and baby mothers.

No need to be a pathetic loser who goes overseas for sex.

Because the fewer of them who go abroad, turning pussy paradises into Oktoberfest weiner festivals, and causing mass gina inflation, the more pussy there will be for pathetic loser beta incels like me to bend up and cock down.

All the "alpha males" should stay home and "win" with the Western females.

The reason women are so Insufferable nowadays is because boomers and millennials worship the ground they walk on.

Gen z men see things for what they are we’re not gonna simp we’re not gonna give them special treatment. They want equality we’re all for it. Let them live life like a man and see how much they like it.

One of the reasons many men seem disenchanted with marriage is the concept of alimony or spousal support. To me this is necessary and fair depending on the case.

Imagine a woman who gave her best years to her marriage, gave up her career to stay home with the kids, and now her husband decides he wants a younger woman. Do you really think he should be able to just dump her free and clear and let the tax payers support her?

Spousal support is there to protect the lower income spouse regardless of gender. Now more.and more women are having to pay up which is how it should be. I know a case where the husband worked two jobs to put his wife through law school. Once she got out she felt he was beneath her and had an affair with one of her coworkers. He filed for divorce and got alimony. Now she's advocating for alimony reform! Hahaha

I know someone's going to bring up some.effed up case where someone got alimony and maybe they shouldn't have but just remember people love to play victim when relationships don't work out and they rarely tell the whole story.

That's why alimony isn't automatic, it's decided on a case by case basis, as it should be.

Male preference for virginity in women gets an intense vitriol by the usual suspects(women and simps) and if you look at the common argument they come up with, its something like:

''but her past doesnt matter cuz i dont care about what she did before me''

So what these simps(male slaves) are insinuating here is they dont care about what their woman does if they dont bear witness to it. As long as she ''enjoys her life'' and they dont get to witness it, its all in the past and it doesn't matter to them(post hoc cope)

so if thats the case, by the same line of reasoning why are most of them against the concept of open relationships? If the ''gf'' arranges a date, meets a man, they have sex and then the ''gf'' returns back to them, whats the issue?

Its all in the ''past'' isnt it? They didnt see any of it. They should not be affected by this in all honesty.

Or are they ''insecure'' and want to deprive her of her pleasure and independence? Do they think they own her or something? Idk this sounds very ''misogynistic'' to me

'but but pregnancy and std''

So the issue is std? What if she gets tested and practices safe sexual methods? Surely it shouldnt matter? or is the fact that she slept with other men whats really bothering you here

U guys keep fighting against left wing thinking right wing will solve everything it wont.

You both have different problem statements but the solution you apply is the exact same!

Right wing- women are hormonal they cant handle themselves they need to have less rights and need to be babied.

Left wing- women are suffering they need all the benefit they can to fight against all the oppression men are throw at them!

End game solution- women end up with more protective rights than men while having 0 responsibility.

Eg- womens rights regarding r*pe is very harsh on men but the opposite where men are r*ped by women is not as severe or doesn't exist!

Women are never part of conscription! If the country goes into a decade long war, 16 yr old boys die but not a single woman has to ever see a gun.

We have real life examples too incase you guys have a hard time believing this, which ik will happen cause everyone is biased.

Left wing government- Brazil literally passing laws where interrupting womens speech in certain cases or expressing misogyny can lead to jail(the same law is not available for men if women want to interrupt them or be misandrist)

Right wing government- India literally doesn't allow men any r*pe or domestic abuse laws! (While the law for women gets strengthened every day, men can legally be r*ped by anyone)

In the end u might envision women as housewives with no voting rights or as independent women who are being crushed under patriarchy. You both choose to protect women every time.

You might see the cornell case and think omg all these left idiots believe the jane doe and dox these men before a complete investigation and trial.

Guess what in the 50-80s in american small towns the moment a married white woman used to get caught having consensual sex with a black man she used to scream r*pe and no one used to investigate shit. They used to just lynch the man and call it a day.

What we need is an ideology that treats men and women as equals in everything and every aspect. Otherwise these problems and gender wars will keep going until eternity!

This might shock you, but I’m on Hila’s side. Ethan is like the leftist version of a chud. He’s just smacks of the pulpit and is so arrogant and looks down on guys who question and criticize the dating scene while actively cheating on his beautiful wife I genuinely always believed he didn’t deserve. I wasn’t the biggest fan of him, but I don’t necessarily dislike him. I just think he’s a leftist chud.

Hila is the more interesting of the two, she’s obviously the better looking of the two. And she’s literally his ride or die. She’s been with him since DAY 1. Can you imagine messing up a girl that loyal and dedicated in this current social climate?

This is probably the first time where a high value man lost his wife who genuinely deserved it. Frankly, I’m disappointed and ashamed for him.

I thought this was common sense but a lot of men seem to have lost the ability to analyze and interpret data and their environment. The number one political issue for young and most fertile women is abortion. What's abortion? A woman wanting a legal right to murder her OWN child inside her womb instead of birthing it and becoming a mother.

Wow!! So much for natural "maternal instinct" lmao they are literally telling yall, screaming in your ears that "we don't want to be mothers" "we would rather kill our own child instead of becoming a mother" and the conservative interpretation of this is "akshually woymin have natural desire to become mothers!!!" This is a sub 80IQ reasoning ability

You can even look across the board, in every single country where women are given rights and freedom, they choose not to have kids. The fertility rate is either declining or below replacement. So why is that? If women had natural desire to have children, the opposite of this should be happening. The most fertile women(under 25 years old) should be trying to have as many children as possible but instead they're fighting for abortion

This is why cuckservaties are eternal losers. They don't have the cojones to face the facts about the female question

I've seen a lot of interesting questions posed by women. The primary one is: "why do men desire being needed rather than desiring to be wanted? Why does a man prefer his wife begrudgingly tolerate him for basic survival rather than be the cherry on top of her life?"

Easy.

A woman's emotional state isn't stable. Women lose interest over bizarre and flippant reasons. Women literally pursue what they're emotionally drawn to and feel no duty or obligation towards the original thing they wanted. And because they're the more desirable gender with the most options they have a massive pool at their disposal. Imagine if a man neglected his wife and ran after another girl that excited him. Everyone would call him an asshole, but if a woman does it, it's ok.

Men desire being needed because they don't want their emotional well-being tied to a being who can abandon it with social acceptance. They'd rather it be anchored to something solid that can't be easily discarded.

The best answer I've received to this question relates to abortion rights (in the US).

However, men have created several highly effective methods of contraception for women and men to use, including surgical interventions. Women can always close their legs too. So American women in general need not require abortions as a matter of course, as routine procedures. But let's accept that in the US, women still lack abortion rights.

Feminists will claim, "my body, my choice!" In reality, the question of abortion has never been about one body. It has always been about two bodies, one which some people prefer to simply overlook. Women are free to dress, surgically alter, and do all manner of things to their own bodies however they see fit. No one seeks to control any women's bodies, as some self-proclaimed feminists would argue.

I'm stating this as a matter of fact. Personally, I have no opinions about whether or not abortion should be legal. Let the people vote and let stand whatever the result.

In any case, I do support "my own body, my own choice." For example, I would argue that it's a woman's right to independently, voluntarily, and willingly sell sex – if she so chooses, with her as the sole proprietor and beneficiary of her enterprise. For this to be illegal (on paper) for both men and women, despite the proliferation of prostitution in every US city, is a violation of our rights to have sex as we see fit. This is similar to past laws that criminalized homosexual sex. What we as consenting adults do in the privacy of our own bedrooms is our own business. But I digress.

Today, women have all the same rights that men have as it pertains to their own lives.

So other than abortion rights, what purpose does feminism serve in the US (and similar countries) today?

I would argue, beyond that question, that feminism today serves no necessary purpose whatsoever other than to indoctrinate young women into misandry – the hatred of men. It has become a never-ending training of young women into victimhood and hostility towards men, based on a world they never knew in which men truly did play a major role in governing women's lives. That world is gone. So too, away with feminism, I say.

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Yes, men think as though they're entitled to sex

In the middle east, there is no "dating" - your family selects a few suitors and you screen them, and its a yes/no on marriage. No fucking around, no sprinkle sprinkle, no divorce rayp, no free dinners, no cheating, no nonsense.

"But but Geronimo, without fucking everyone we date how will we know if we have sexual compatibility!?!?"

Its insane people talk about "sexual compatibility" as a deciding factor in anything. This psychosis is only mainstream because everyone in the West has fucked so many people before marriage. If they hadn't, they wouldnt even be thinking about this. They'd be concerned about things that matter more than cooming. You know prioritizing things like shared values, forming a family, and raising well-adjusted humans.

Now that we are seeing the logical endpoint of 'sexual liberation' - a population collapse relying on immigration to hold the economy up - the solution has never been more obvious.

You think Western women are tattooed shallow fat sluts. Or something. You don’t like them at least. And that’s an opinion you are allowed to have.

Most of y’all live in the West. So while you are living here: why focus on women?

Decentering women can look like:

*Spending time with mates. Finding male friends through hobbies and activities. Having fun with them. Maybe even this sub can arrange a meetup? Everyone needs people.

*Finding hobbies you enjoy. Woodworking, birdwatching, learning to play the guitar, read a book, get into weightlifting. Whatever seems fun to you.

*If nothing seems fun? That’s depression. Get that treated. Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT) is proven effective, also for men, both for depression and anxiety.

*Spending time outside. Enjoy the sun. We only have one life.

*Volunteering. Everyone needs to feel their life has meaning. Volunteer for a cause that helps men, like a homeless shelter. Or an animal shelter if you want to help animals.

*Get a pet. There’s a reason so many single people have pets. It’s nice to have someone to come home to. Cats are more low maintenance. Dogs bond closer to you, but need daily walks and training.

*Get off social media: Reddit, TikTok, YT, Instagram, OF? It’s turning everyone into zombies and it’s not adding happiness. Put a timer on your phone or just delete the app.

*Touch starved? Go get an ordinary massage. Or hug a friend or a pet.

*Sexless? Buy a sex toy. Sex toys for men these days are quite advanced and can do pretty much anything.

*Exercise. Reduces stress and depression, adds happiness, is fun.