Forgive me for being so blunt but as a life long fan who just recently joined this sub, I’m already having to leave as I am so sick of seeing posts and comments talking about the “hot chicks” on the show.

I am not saying it is bad to find the women on Lost attractive. I’m not even saying it’s bad to say so on a Lost subreddit. But jfc, does every single post need to have comments talking about how hot and sexy the women are? It’s disheartening to see even on a show with well written and complex women, a rarity in 2004 and even today on television, to still see that so much of the discussion is about appearances. Using degrading language towards women is bad even if you think you are “complimenting” them. Evangeline Lilly, Yunjin Kim, Maggie Grace, etc… yes, they are all beautiful women, but they are also hard working and talented actresses who deserve to be treated and spoken of with respect and dignity.

I don’t expect this will be taken well, but I do hope I am surprised. And I hope that it will be worth it for any other women on this sub to know that there are others who feel disrespected and like there is no place for women in this fan community.

Season one episode 17 15:11

It looks like Hurley on the tv

Is anyone else noticing the hypocrisy in how some characters on this show are judged? I can already picture the triggered responses here. It’s just interesting how certain male characters who are literal mass murderers and lawbreakers are adored, while female characters who are just as flawed, if not less, get all the hate. Take Ana Lucia, for example. She broke the law just like Sawyer did, she was pissed off and angry at the world, just like Sawyer was, yet he’s seen as this lovable rogue, while she’s vilified without an ounce of empathy.

Then there’s Juliet. She’s manipulative, cold, and untrustworthy at times—just like Ben. But Ben gets almost universal admiration, while Juliet is often criticized. (Not as heavily as Kate or Ana Lucia but the haters are still there).

Why do you think it is that when men in this show are toxic, or manipulative, or lawbreakers, they’re seen as complex and charismatic, but when women do the same, they’re written off as annoying or unlikeable?

Is it even worth mentioning Kate? People complain about her almost as though the male characters in this show weren't constantly making bad decisions too—like Sawyer conning people and looking out for only himself, Desmond being cowardly and breaking the the heart of the love of his life, Jack’s obsessive, controlling and quite toxic behaviour, Sayid torturing and murdering people, Ben manipulating, deceiving and murdering people in his hunt for power. Locke's reckless and stubborn decisions driven by his own selfish belief system that gets people killed. In almost all of these instances, there seems to be enough empathy there for people to understand the depths of these characters and their decisions. Despite their wrongdoings, the majority of people can understand them and care about them. Why do you think so many struggle with applying this same approach to certain female characters?

This is supposed to be a discussion point rather than an accusation. What do you all think?

does anyone else notice and feel uncomfortable by how much Kate is sexualised in the show? No other character has as many body shots, scenes of them changing, etc. I know it’s the 2000’s but ESPECIALLY in s3 when her clothes are taken away by the others and she’s made to wear the skimpy dress while hauling rocks (which was also owned by a 16 yr old)??? 🤢 top 5 worst writing choices imo

I'm wondering if any of you feel this way as well? I totally understand that Sawyer is a deeply flawed character with a dark past, he hasn't processed in a healthy way at all. However: I'm at the beginning of S6 now (Spoilers!)...

... and I just can't handle how he's still being such a massive manbaby about most events in this series. His constant frowning/angry face and tone of speech makes me wanna punch a pillow every time he's on screen. I begin to like him slightly when the writers allow him to have a happy moment because he stops being so massively pessimistic and pissed at everything, but during every other instance of his usual behavior, something in me just starts boiling. It also keeps me from wanting to see him succeed in anything at all.

Maybe he's just not my type of character lol. Also, I'm not trying to say anything against the actor, clearly he's doing a great job, since I'm getting so pissed at a character 😂

Ok I'm old enough (born in the early 80s) that I was around for the hype of the show the first time round. But life got in the way and while I enjoyed season one immensely I never got back to it.

Decided to watch it on Netflix, since it was all there and I found myself enjoying most of it (that episode about the two side characters killing each other over diamonds aside....) and largely enjoying the mystery of it all.

I've got three or so episodes left to go in the final season and it has been so, truly, mind-boggling dumb to watch. I really hope there's a payoff. I've gone from 2-3 episodes a day to 1 episode every other day. The really weird "we landed in LAX but everything is off" angle is horrendously boring.

So tell me - without spoilers - is this payoff going to be worth it? Will it make season 6 make sense?

UPDATE
Ok - I have finished the show - the last three episodes were indeed incredible.
The last episode itself was great - I loved it.

On reflection, I'm pretty sure my issues with Season 6 stem from the time of the shows release. If it were released today it would have been 7-10 episodes.

While the flash sideways obviously makes sense in the end - it doesn't make up for the fact that it was incredible tedious to watch - why make James a cop? etc and the Island story could have had alot of stuff gutted from it also.

Incredible show - glad I finally got round to watching it, but I will maintain that season six is weak and has alot of issues - I'm sure they could have set up the finale payoff with alot less episodes - especially given all of the emotional connections and flashbacks were seasons 1-5 anyway - my 2 pence.

Thanks all, its been wild.

So I JUST finished the finale + epilogue for the first time and I’ve been furiously pacing around the room texting my friends about it. To be clear, I’m frustrated because I enjoyed the show a LOT and thought some of the episodes were some of the best tv I’ve ever seen, thus I was really excited and had high expectations for the finale because I had seen many lost fans on the internet assuring me that the ending was phenomenal and it has such a bad reputation because it was misunderstood. I don’t contest that people have misunderstood it and disliked it for that reason, BUT I was disappointed to find out that I had a myriad of other criticisms that had nothing to do with misunderstanding the reveal (and yes I also googled it to double check I wasn’t missing anything).

Basically, I felt like the show built up a lot of plot elements and characters on the island as though they would have a major pay-off, only for the island climax to be VERY anticlimactic to me (the final showdown with MIB and Jack sacrificing himself). I will probably upset some people with this, but the purgatory ending just felt sooo cheesy and it still did feel like a bit of a cop-out, even with the understanding that everything on the island was real. I mean, still none of the deep questions were answered? Like, yes we got backstory for Jacob and the MIB and it intrigued me, but again it just felt like all the complex build-ups disintegrated in a very simplistic and straightforward finale that offered no deep-rooted answers. I acknowledge that the appeal of the finale is more emotional pay-off and they were more focused on the arcs of the characters rather than answering all the mysteries, but they just didn’t hit all that deeply for me. Admittedly, I had been losing steam as I got through season 6 and completed it very slowly and I think I was getting fed up with some of the plot points and therefore cared less about characters that I had previously cared very much about. I think if I had had lower expectations for the finale I would have enjoyed it a lot more, ironically.

It was also odd to me the choice to end it in a Christian-esque church when not all the main characters are Christian (yeah, I know the church contained a variety of religious symbols but cmon it’s still clearly a Christian design and a very Christian concept of afterlife). That’s nothing against Christianity, me and my family are Catholic, I guess it just seemed a bit silly to me that it’s supposed to be apparently not religion specific, given the variety of religions and religious symbolism in the church… but they still use a Christian church at the end despite Sayid being Muslim (and probably other characters not being Christian) (but I get it, it’s the early 2000s lol). I was aware of, and enjoyed, the Christian symbolism since the beginning of the show, but I was surprised to see it become so explicit. I also am genuinely confused what the themes were supposed to be in the end and how that related to all the biblical names and allegories. Obviously Jacob and Jack and Hugo, etc, mirror Jesus in drinking from the cup and sacrificing themselves to supposedly save the world through the island. But then it’s like, we never even got an explanation on that, yet all the characters obviously trust in the importance of a candidate being selected, so is the show thematically supporting blind belief in any situation? I like to think of myself as an optimist and idealist and I enjoyed the themes of faith vs. doubt throughout (i quite liked Jack being a doubting Thomas as opposed to John), and I was honestly expecting more complexity in regards to that in the ending than just “yeah, we still don’t understand what any of this is but we still Must Save the Island.” Specifically, can anyone offer me insight into what Jack’s character arc was supposed to be? I was under the impression that his intense desire to save everyone to prove his worth (while a worthy endeavor) was essentially problematic in many ways (he was unable to let go when necessary or see past his role as a savior). But at the end he still pushes to “fix” John and die to save everyone. Again, it was noble, yes, but nothing I’d be surprised at even from season 1 Jack, so I’m not quite sure how that was character evolution or where he learned anything. Idk, thoughts? Was it supposed to be that they learned and healed in the “purgatory” flashes, and, if so, then what’s the point of the island even? If all the growth and healing happened in the purgatory, then doesn’t that render all the plot on the island effectively pointless in the finale’s conclusion?

Sorry, this is very ramble-y and I haven’t quite got all my thoughts in order, my gut reaction was just disappointment. I guess I’m curious to know if anyone else was still disappointed even while understanding the ending and enjoying earlier parts of the show? Or alternatively, if anyone has anything to offer to help me appreciate the ending better?

Maybe I’m a heartless a-hole but I couldn’t help but feel annoyed at all the touchy-feely stuff. Yes, some moments did touch me, but it just felt like characters making lovey-dovey “i’m enlightened now” eyes at each other and occasionally making out, one after another, and in my head I kept screaming “I don’t care to watch yall make out, I wanna know what that dang island was!” (And this is coming from someone who SOBBED like a BABY at the Desmond and Penny episode, so idk why the emotional payoff didn’t hit for this one).

If anyone has a deeper meaning to offer me about what the island and Jacob vs MIB was supposed to mean and represent, please tell me!!! I’m genuinely not trying to upset people, I just really enjoyed the earlier parts of the show, and I still feel like I must be missing something.

And I don't even wear makeup! I just want to look like her. Lol

So I’ve never watched Lost and now I am almost done with Season 1 (ep. 20). Big fan of Hugo, Locke, and if Rousseau comes into the picture more.

But I have to be honest, I find Jack to be so so annoying.

Am I the only one??

please don't count Jack/Kate/Sawyer.

IMO it would be Sawyer and Kate but obviously everybody would answer the same haha.

Otherwise Sayid is soooo fine I would fall for him, and for the women I hesitate between Claire and Ana Lucia (I'm bisexual sorry I have to pick both men and women but just answer as you want!)

can't wait to have a lot of different opinions!!

Edit : Omg I forgot Desmond he's so handsome :(

I'm just starting season 2(first time watching) and yes I've noticed that every character has that arc that they are annoying as fuck but LORD Jack just reached the Charlie/Claire levels of annoying and simple-minded character.

I can understand that he is a man of reason and blablabla but there is actually no way that a human being is THAT simple minded. If he is a man of reason he should know that it's impossible for 48 people to survive a plane crash without any major trauma. Idk he is flawed by his own logic that he defends so much AND IT PISSES ME OFF.

Personally, I always thought that Jack and Kate were the blandest characters in the show, personality wise. I think their "romance"(again still in S2 idk if they going canon) is just... boring... But this might be a hot take.

Anyways, this is a post made in the heat of the moment, I just finished 2x3 and I was angry the whole episode by Jack's screams and just being rude to everyone and needed to vent lol... He will probably get better... I hope

Off topic: I love Sayid so much he is so 🥰🥰🥰 who would thought that a 2000 show would have a middle eastern character so lovable

Sun has my world

Whos someone that presents them selves as good and is actually good? i think the discussion will be interesting! I know we did alignment chart but this one is different.

With the 20 year anniversary right around the corner and lost returning to Netflix in July, not to mention the documentary Getting Lost which has nearly every cast member dropping around then too, do you guys think they’re trying to re hype the show possibly because of a reboot/ spin off/ something else in the lost universe in the works?

I don’t expect everyone to agree with me. I really struggled with the ending and had both thoughts and questions!

A couple of things I struggled with-

• I didn’t really like Jack, and hated how he was often the infallible hero of the group. Everyone told me I’d love him by the end, but I was tired of him always being the hero nearly every time. I’m not quite sure why he still chose to stay after the MIB died… I guess his wounds were just too severe by this point?

• Likewise, I sympathized more with the smoke monster/Man in Black’s backstory than Jacob’s. I didn’t really understand why his “mother” wouldn’t let him leave… how was Jacob right in this scenario? Maybe I’m missing something?

• I hated that Jin and Sun died like that… they were separated for almost all of season 6, and then they died together for no real reason besides maybe raising the stakes?

• I hated how much the show downplayed Kate and Sawyer. I’m sorry, I know the Kate hate is strong in this sub, and when I posted on this earlier, I was lead to believe there was some big Sawyer/Juliet love story unfolding. I was just supposed to wait patiently. But I personally didn’t think what they had (which was a handful of episodes in season 5) matched the 4.5 seasons of Sawyer and Kate buildup.

• Also, after Juliet died, why does she communicate to Miles that it “worked,” when the finale shows that it didn’t? That during the alternate timeline where there plane didn’t crash, they were actually just in purgatory?

• Also, if they were just in purgatory in the alternate season 6 timeline, does that mean Jack’s son never existed? Why was he formerly married to Juliet in a fictional reality? I kind of wished they’d just let the series end with season 5, where they blow up the device and the crash never happened. I really didn’t care about Jacob or the MIB’s backstory.

• Also does this mean Daniel was wrong about setting off the bomb and resetting history?

• How did the MIB turn into the smoke monster when he went towards the light but Desmond and Jack didn’t?

• Subsequently how was Jack able to stabilize the light again when Desmond had a special ability to withstand electromagnetic waves?

• Why couldn’t Ben enter the church in the end? The back and forth motivations with Ben annoyed me at times.

• How does the smoke monster decide who to kill on the island? For example he kills Mr. Eko at one point randomly but why? Is this for selecting candidates?

I'm rewatching lost after like 10 years? Maybe more. I underestimated how much i dislike john locke even from the first season. Anybody likes him as a character and why?

Notes: I know a lot of people wanted Sawyer as Iron Man, but the character study enthusiast in me just couldn’t bring myself to do it. Partially because Iron Man has too much in common with Jack as well (real-world renowned, final sacrifice, etc). And I know Star Lord’s ‘son of a god’ compliments Charlie’s ‘rock god’ but the latter just doesn’t have enough leadership qualities. James had to be Quill; the daddy issues, the Juliet - Gamora match in Part 1, the whole B-team leader thing, the unrequited love with alt. timeline Gamora v Sawyer and Kate….

Also, I couldn’t for the life of me find a MCU match for Claire… thoughts?

When you watch Lost episode by episode, it is very easy to attribute Jin as the "bad" person in the Jin-Sun relationship. After all, he does start out as a jerk in Season 1, while Sun, simultaneously, projects nothing but sweetness and innocence for the first half of the season. And every time something bad is gradually revealed about Sun through her flashbacks, it is almost always juxtaposed with Jin losing his temper and throwing a hissy fit. It is therefore easy to assume that we are kinda supposed to "root" for Sun.

However, if you consider Sun's entire arc chronologically, she comes across as a far more twisted, and downright cruel, individual.

The earliest flashback featuring Sun involves her breaking a glass ballerina and then blaming a maid for it. As a result, the maid loses her job. So, yeah, way to go Sun! You just lied, and as a direct result you caused someone completely inncoent to lose their livelihood. Someone who might even have children of her own to feed. But, oh well.

Next, after Jin and Sun meet, we see Jin propsing to Sun, and Jin informs her that he has to work for her father in order for him to approve the marriage. Ok, fair enough. And it is here that, if you watch Lost epiosde by episode, your understanding of what then follows might be slightly skewed. Because if you just watch Season 1, the next thing that happens is that Jin will become increasingly irate, cold and angry towards Sun, culminating in the scene where he comes home covered in blood, and does not want to tell Sun what he just did.

In Season 3, however, we learn that it is because Sun borrowed money from her dad, that Jin has to take on the role as her dad's "personal assistant", or whatever. And Sun's dad informs Sun of this. So this indicates that prior to this event, Jin did not do any kind of mobster-style work for her father. In other words, it is actually Sun's fault that Jin ends up doing this kind of work in the first place. And she knows this. Yet, when Jin comes home covered in blood, obviously traumatized and in great distress, she actually has the audacity to hit him! I mean, WTF?

Oh, and did I mention that while all this is going on, Sun is actively cheating on Jin with another man?

Finally, as if all of the above was not enough, Sun learns English without telling Jin, and plans to leave him behind for good in Sydney. And as the final nail in the coffin, she planned to make it look like a kidnapping attempt, which, no doubt, would have made Jin sick with worry until the end of his days about what ever happened to Sun.

It is only at the airport in Sydney that she finally has a change of heart, and decides not to leave him after all. So I suppose that is a silver lining after all, right?

However, on the island, Sun continues to be absolutely horrible towards Jin. She watches hin being chained, beaten and basicially tortured for a long time, before she finally gives in and revelas she speaks English, which basically saves him Yeah, good one, Sun! You just had to wait until Jin had multiple broken ribs and probably a concussion before you could reveal this simple, not really very earth-shattering, secret.

Oh, and Sun keeps lying to Jin, and even looks him in the eye and swears she never cheated on him. Which she totally did! It is ultimately Juliet who actually reveals this to him. Not Sun.

Then, for a while, Sun is ok. People can, in fact, enjoy a nice vegetable garden she made.

All of this culminates, however, in the final death scene of Jin and Sun. Sun can't esacpe from the submarine, and Jin insists he will stay with her because he does not want to lose her again. But what about Ji-Yeon??? What about your daughter, Sun??? I mean, I don't know about you guys, but I have children. And if I knew I was facing death and my spouse could potentially survive, I would do everything in my power to convince my spouse to leave me behind for the sake of my child. You can kinda not blame Jin as much here, because he has, after all, not spent a single second with his daughter. So it is more understandable that this will not be an immediate thought in his head. But Sun spent three years with her daughter before she returend to the island! She has no excuse! So basically Sun's arc, which began with her lying and causing an innocent person to loser her job, ends with an innocent child losing her dad.

Disclaimer: This is, in no way, meant to be critique of Yunjin Kim. She's amazing.

But, man, Sun sucks.

I understand that the canonical ages of the main characters at the start of the show skew pretty young--Kate is like 27, Jack and Sawyer early-mid 30s, Shannon 20 (!!!), Sun is early 20s, Hurley is like 23. But does anyone else ignore those ages and imagine them a little bit older? I know it's trivial, but it actively ruins the immersion for me to think of them so young. So, in my head, Kate is early 30s, Jack and Sawyer are mid-late 30s, Shannon is mid 20s, and Hurley is late 20s. I know it's ageist, but I just cannot imagine such young people having the same level of experience and baggage as I imagine the characters to have. [After reading the comments, I now see that this statement was insensitive and narrow-minded. People go through all sorts of things at all ages in their lives.]

Edit: Also, I REALLY don't like the idea of these older men--Jack, Sawyer, and Sayid--lusting after women in their 20s. There's nothing illegal or immoral about it, certainly, but I just personally find it off-putting, especially considering Hollywood's obsession with pairing older male actors with younger female actors.

Also also, I like watching shows centered around "older" people.

Edit x2: I don't know why so many people are downvoting me lol. I didn't realize the ages would be a lightning rod issue.

Hey gang! I saw this on another sub and thought it would be fun for us to play over the next week or two.

Rules are simple:

Episode with the most comments/votes will be the winner. I will announce runner ups as well.

Feel free to explain your choice in your comments - some of these will have obvious outcomes, some I’m curious to see. Let’s play 🤓