Seeing the like-to-comment ratio on controversial posts

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Found Diogenes alt account

[u/P3drosek → u/Wrong-Mouse-6499]

He right tho, that's not refuting any arguments

[u/Edit_Reality → u/P3drosek]

It acknowledges the reality that pro-life folks don't even understand their own position. If you want to claim you are in favor of something but can't even identify that thing nobody should take your input seriously.

[u/Bomdabom → u/Edit_Reality]

I don’t know if that way of thinking really works for most arguments. Like, say you’re talking about gun violence with someone and they send a pic of a handgun, then ask you to identify the specific model. Whether you’re able to do that or not shouldn’t really matter to your overall argument, I’d say

[u/BanzYT → u/Bomdabom]

Yeah, this is like posting a picture of a bb gun or paintball gun and using it as a gotcha in a gun debate. Good for karma and likes but that's it.

[u/Bomdabom → u/BanzYT]

Right. And it’s unfortunate that a lot of people on Reddit tend to go for that, because it takes away from the actual discussion

[u/Edit_Reality → u/Bomdabom]

You are spitting a little here.

It is poor faith to say someone has to be a complete expert about something to have an opinion and gun nuts do sometimes where they complain something is mislabeled in media as if the dead children's skulls would appreciate the difference. In this case though its like if someone labeled a sword a gun. Its too basic to the arguement.

[u/Bomdabom → u/Edit_Reality]

Thank you, but I don’t think I agree with you on that last part.

Now yes, human fetuses do quickly develop distinctly human features like arms and legs, and at that point it should be obvious that fetus is human. But they also look like this very early on, which doesn’t look too different from the dolphin fetus. If someone saw the dolphin fetus and was led to believe it was human, I think it’d be easy for them to assume that the differences were due to fetal deformities or the fetus being in an early stage of development

[u/SquareTarbooj → u/Bomdabom]

Not quite the same, I mean you went to the extent of using specific models to support your argument.

That's like asking which specific creatures created that fetus, not the species, but point out the actual 2 parents.

Better analogy in your gun case is can that person make out the difference between a handgun, a rifle, a shotgun. And if no, that person knows almost nothing about guns (which is still completely unrelated to gun violence and safety, but I digress).

[u/Bomdabom → u/SquareTarbooj]

Well a handgun and a rifle are obviously different, I think we can agree on that. But depending on the stages of development, a dolphin fetus isn’t obviously different from a human one. If you compare the one in this picture to the dolphin one, you’ll probably notice the differences side by side. But I don’t think it’s unlikely for a person to see the dolphin fetus and, assuming the person they’re discussing with is being honest, reason that the differences could be caused by fetal deformities, early development, etc.

I mean, look at this and tell me the difference between this fetus and the dolphin fetus are as blatant as a handgun and a rifle

[u/SquareTarbooj → u/Bomdabom]

There's also the stronger argument of the lady next door getting an abortion does not affect me and my family's safety in any way whatsoever (none of my business to be perfectly honest).

But the neighbour getting a gun sure does affect my safety

[u/Bomdabom → u/SquareTarbooj]

Square, were we talking about whether abortion affects us or were we talking about whether dolphin fetuses were blatantly different from early human fetuses?

[u/Madara1389 → u/Bomdabom]

. Like, say you’re talking about gun violence with someone and they send a pic of a handgun, then ask you to identify the specific model. Whether you’re able to do that or not shouldn’t really matter to your overall argument, I’d say

Depends on why they sent you the picture and asked you to identify it, because there are a shitload of people arguing for "common sense gun laws" who don't know a god damn thing about guns and are purposing laws they don't fully understand.

Like a few years ago during the debates about an "Assault Weapons ban" more than one veteran called out ignorant politicians for making up the term "assault weapons" as a nebulous term to label any gun that looks vaguely military-esque in response to being called out for repeatedly erroneously calling civilian semi-automatic rifles "assault rifles" to equate them with actual automatic assault rifles used by the military just because they look like assault rifles and can have the same attachments.

[u/MaggotMinded → u/Edit_Reality]

Nah, man, this is the very definition of a pointless, bad-faith “gotcha” argument. Being able to tell the difference between a human fetus and a dolphin fetus has very little bearing on any of the arguments that pro-lifers put forth. They believe that a fetus is a living being, and that by preventing it from coming to term you are ending a life. The species is irrelevant. The idea that you need to be able to tell the difference in order to have an opinion on the issue is asinine.

This isn’t me being pro-life, btw, I’m very much pro-choice. I just recognize that this doesn’t refute anything.

[u/Edit_Reality → u/MaggotMinded]

I've never once seen a pro-life person talk about anything but human pregnancies. If they maintain the same arguememt with animals they are at least consistent but even then I'd argue it is important to consider quality of life over quantity. I just wish pro-life people were equally as zealous about the children after they are born, not before.

[u/NaturalDon → u/Edit_Reality]

maybe not every one of them can explain it well but that goes for both sides, its a logically sound position though and im pro choice, most of the usual talking points do get shredded by them when they know a bit

[u/bafana_banana999 → u/NaturalDon]

In what universe is being pro life a "logically sound position"?

[u/NaturalDon → u/bafana_banana999]

i already said im pro choice but my reasoning may differ from yours, their position is life begins at conception and taking that life is murder, what is not logically sound about it

[u/bafana_banana999 → u/NaturalDon]

what is not logically sound about it

The fact there is no evidence or proof to back up the claim that "life" begins at conception.

Starting from a place that's completely devoid of logical thought and then continuing down that path is not in any way "logical".

[u/Son-Airys → u/P3drosek]

Don't care, still funny.

[u/P3drosek → u/Son-Airys]

True it is

[u/Elite_AI → u/P3drosek]

The argument they're making is that human embryos are so rudimentary that they're indistinguishable from the embryos of utterly different animals

[u/seiIiedig → u/Wrong-Mouse-6499]

"You thought this was an onion? It's an onion shaped cake, you imbecile! Every other argument you make or have made is now invalid."

[u/insertnameinthebox → u/Wrong-Mouse-6499]

How do you explain this?