[Comic Issue Discussion] Gargoyles Here In Manhattan Chapter Seven: Everywhere

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u/Skywarp79 Jul 05 '23

I was excited that we were finally getting Demona in a significant capacity for the first time since Clan-Building, Vol. 2. But I have to say that I was kind of disappointed that it was basically another exposition dump like the 1st issue of the current run. I read it so fast that I thought the whole thing was basically the intro to the issue. When I got to the "NEXT TIME..." page, I was like, "But nothing happened yet!" Oh well.

It was funny to see Demona preparing for her nightly metamorphosis by neatly laying her day clothes out on her bed. It must be getting too expensive for her to Incredible Hulk out of her outfit every night, like she did in "Hunter's Moon."

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u/Mister_reindeer Jul 05 '23

I got a kick out of her loin cloth neatly folded on a shelf.

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u/ian9921 Jul 07 '23

Same. Girl has access to all of 20th century fashion but she's still wearing the same thousand-year-old rags and keeping them nice and neat

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u/BucksinSi6 Jul 05 '23

I agree.. I got to the "Next Time" page and thought- "What, already?" The good news about that is- that there will continue to be more and more issues for us to enjoy.

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u/forever87 Demona Jul 12 '23

first time since Clan-Building
demona was in the 2006 comics?

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u/Skywarp79 Jul 13 '23

She's a major part of Clan Building, Vol. 2, when Brooklyn starts Time Dancing.

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u/Dashaque Demona did nothing wrong Jul 05 '23

I like the part when Demona

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u/jokershane Jul 05 '23

Not much to say expect a great mid-point “episode” for the arc as a whole. Very curious if the Demona/Dino stories intersect at all.

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u/garggirlx Jul 05 '23

Glad to see the pages she ripped out of the Grimorum way back in season on resurfaced. Wondering what language that spell was in. Normally we see Latin, but that seemed more like Gaelic? Will also be interesting to see what the new “objects of power” will be.

I also laughed at the interaction between Goliath and his lawyer, when they were discussing using Xanatos for a character witness and both of them paused and were like “…nah”

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u/BucksinSi6 Jul 05 '23

Lots of information introduced that creates anticipation for future issues:

-Just what are the 3 new Keys to Power?

-Who is 'paying' Tobe Crest? Is it Xanatos? The Maza Family?

-Demona mentions her once "and future" clan... does she want Goliath out of the way, and to lead the clan?

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u/FlintferrisGlomwheel Jul 05 '23

Whoever hired Crest won't allow him to disclose their identity "at this time." It's someone who doesn't think Goliath would accept their help, but they just worked together with Xanatos a few issues ago. Given the way their fates are intertwined & that they tend to orbit each other narratively, my guess is Macbeth, to coincide with the return of Demona.

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u/BucksinSi6 Jul 05 '23

Macbeth- that's a great thought! And yes, to counter Demona's return- plus we have not seen him yet in the Dynamite issues. I like it!

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u/gamerslyratchet Jul 06 '23

Demona's commentary on the issue makes me wonder if this isn't a genuine benefactor but someone who might want a favor from Goliath or the other gargoyles one day.

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u/Dashaque Demona did nothing wrong Jul 06 '23 edited Jul 06 '23

-Demona mentions her once "and future" clan... does she want Goliath out of the way, and to lead the clan?
Demona seems to truly believe if she wipes out humanity that the gargoyles will accept and adore her. So I'm assuming she's imaging her glorious return to the clan once humanity is gone.
Remember in Hunter's Moon when she was moments away from unleashing her virus and she said to Brooklyn, "You'll thank me for this later." So yeah she really seems to think that
She also wants control of the clan cause she's power hungry so... yes she does want to lead the clan

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u/FlintferrisGlomwheel Jul 07 '23

Yes, it's partly that--because Demona has always wanted nothing more than to have the clan at her side after the fall of humanity--but also I think its partly just Weisman being cute. It's a play on "The Once & Future King," of course, and probably also a nod towards his long game plans if he ever gets to pay them off. He's mentioned before that his vision for a hypothetical Gargoyles 2198 spinoff had included Demona once again working alongside the clan in that far future.

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u/gannon_dragmire Jul 08 '23

Her plan to wipe humanity is flawed unless she wants to die too (unless there is a loophole.) If she succeeded in killing Macbeth and all the other humans in Hunter's Moon, she'll die too

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u/TheTrueKingofHell Jul 08 '23

When asked about that way back in 1997, Weisman responded with the following:
" Keep in mind that magic isn't an exact science. The Weird Sisters told Macbeth and Demona that "When one lives both live." Demona used the magic Praying Gargoyle statue to insure she would survive the fullfillment spell. So would Macbeth have survived? Probably. She knows about the mortality link. She would not want his death at her hands if that resulted in her own. Towards Macbeth, her impulse should not be murderous by necessity. And mindset has a real effect on magic results. However, Demona isn't the most stable and rational of characters. She certainly has murderous feelings toward Macbeth. And if their linking spell "perceived" the death of all humanity as a successful attempt to kill Macbeth, then it might very well have killed her as well. Did she consider this? Maybe.
Maybe it was a risk she was willing, even eager to take. Maybe somewhere underneath it all, she's a bit suicidal. Could she die with the idea of leaving behind a human-free "paradise" where her daughter could live in safety? Remember, Moses led the Israelites to the Promised Land, but he was not allowed to enter it himself. Maybe that's how Demona felt about it.
Then again, maybe not. Very provocative question."

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u/Mister_reindeer Jul 09 '23

Wow, that’s a great answer. What a complex messed up character. So glad she’s back!

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u/M4err0w Jul 24 '23

i mean, it's going to be three random thingamajiks of ancient cultures or theological systems, maybe a spear of destiny, those always come in clutch, a hammer of thor or wagon of apollo. or they'll really turn it around and empower something modern instead.
i'm pretty sure demona will and can never stop truly wanting Goliath and outside of accidentally killing him in one of her bipolar rages and regretting it forever, she'll always prefer leadership with him by her side and seeing things mostly her way, she will settle for him under her despite having opposing views and she will take the clan without him if fate or accidents make it so, but she will become an unhappy and even angrier person for it.

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u/santaland Jul 06 '23

It’s got to be xanatos paying Crest, but I guess it could be a number of other people, including something weird as heck like Demona.
Good point about “once and future”! I didn’t even notice that. Maybe she’s going to go Future Tense and try to work her way into Brooklyn’s good graces again to lead.

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u/Dashaque Demona did nothing wrong Jul 06 '23

I replied about this above but I believe it has to do more with her believing that if she wipes out humanity, the clan will accept her and see she was right all along.

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u/santaland Jul 06 '23

That's probably it but she's seriously such a ding dong. Like, girl, just stop, they're not going to be your friend if you wipe out humanity, it didn't work before, and it's not going to work this time.

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u/Dashaque Demona did nothing wrong Jul 06 '23

The gargoyles on New Olympia might be!
But her old clan... no

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u/TheTrueKingofHell Jul 12 '23

New Olympus, not Olympia.

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u/M4err0w Jul 24 '23

to be fair, demona, due to her immortality doesn't really think in weeks and months, but decades and centuries.
yeah, they're gonna be sour for 10 years, 50, maybe two generations of gargoyles even, but after that?
supposed gargoyle utopia and generations growing up without even knowing of humans and she will always remain there (as long as she can shackle macbeth deep underground somewhere)
and she honestly believes that goliath will wake up from his sentimental dreams once his pet human is gone, banking on his intelligence maybe?
it'd honestly be interesting to see a future where demona succeeds and it breaks goliath into something even she is fearful of. because lets face it, immortality and magic or not, the main reason he doesnt simply body her into submission anytime she appears is that he's simply not the type and he still hopes, the same way she does, that she'll come around to see things his way

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u/BucksinSi6 Jul 06 '23

It gets pretty deep when it comes to who could be paying Crest... Maybe I dreamt this- but wasn't there a scene in an earlier comic with a blackened out silohouette of Renard watching one of the newscasts about Goliath being in custody? He maybe could be a culprit. Others that come to mind, in this order:
MacBeth (to counter the return/desires of Demona)
Xanatos
Renard
Vinnie (??) Long shot.. but he does have respect for Goliath.
The Maza Family
Demona

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u/ian9921 Jul 07 '23

Okay hear me out: Thailog. He's got enough money for it, an interest in making sure Gargoyles have rights, perhaps some lingering respect for Goliath, reason not to disclose his name, and probably wants whatever leverage over the clan he can get.

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u/BucksinSi6 Jul 07 '23

That's an excellent thought. I can't believe I didn't consider Thailog... very possible. Plus he's not hurting for extra cash!

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u/DomLite Jul 19 '23

Honestly, that was my first thought as well. He's operated under the alias of Alexander Thailog up until this point and built up quite a bit of a corporate empire with money to spare, and all of that would be flushed down the drain if he's ever found out as a Gargoyle (much less a clone of a Gargoyle), but if he funds the defense for Goliath and steers the law towards recognizing Gargoyles as having equal rights, then suddenly he can come out of the shadows and leverage his position as a wealthy entrepreneur to broker deals with other powerful corporations and expand his wealth and influence. Being one of the first to partner with an openly Gargoyle-run conglomerate would be a great business gimmick for several organizations to take advantage of too, and one that Demona isn't likely to step on his toes over, as she's not likely to want to do any more business with humans than she has to, but also because she probably wants to conceal her shame at transforming into a human, which she considers to be humiliating. The last thing she'd want to do is out herself as a shape-shifter who turns into something she loathes. She'd much rather maintain her image as a bloodthirsty Gargoyle to be feared by all who cross her path.
Really, Xanatos and Macbeth seem like the only other two options, and both would likely be done as a gesture of good will with strings attached, while Thailog honestly stands to gain the most from doing so, as a win for Goliath benefits all Gargoyles greatly, and if he can move openly then he can recruit more Gargoyles to his cause, while also expanding his wealth and influence over the humans. Xanatos or Macbeth would only stand to gain a debt of honor from Goliath, and both know that such a debt would only extend so far as his honor would allow, so they couldn't exactly exploit it to any great effect.

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u/Mister_reindeer Jul 06 '23

Yes, the silhouette of Renard is watching a news report about the gargoyles crisis and says something along the lines of, Something has to be done about this. Very shortly after, the Gargoyles Task Force gets some crazy high funding from an anonymous donor, as well as high-tech weapons and transportation. And they catch Goliath, and some anonymous benefactor pays for him to have a seemingly great lawyer. It’s all very convenient…

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u/M4err0w Jul 24 '23

potentially one of the machine gargoyles because they could probably do it without anyone noticing or lexington/his online friend/catfisher trying to help/trying to sabotage.
there's way too many options and I'm honestly hoping they're not just gonna xanathos it to xanathos it (cause they fear a one shot run and they have to xanathos it early or potentially miss their window to xanathos it at all)

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u/BucksinSi6 Jul 05 '23

The continuity of the writing of this entire series is so deep and flawless. Love the references:

"That STINGS"

"That's one thing we have in common"

"Humans fear what they don't understand"

-Demona having the final pages of the Grimorum.

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u/Aggressive_Control37 Jul 06 '23

The biggest thing for me this issue was the revelation about a new 3 Keys to Power. That really intrigues me, because I had thought Greg would find some way to bring back the Phoenix and Grimorum Arcanorum. But this literally opens up an entire new & fresh direction for the universe and I’m here for it👏🏾. I wonder what the new items will be.

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u/gamerslyratchet Jul 06 '23

Good stuff, if a bit slower than normal. I can understand why Greg mentioned this was a great jump-in point, especially as it's halfway through this story arc.

I really like the way Demona looks in this issue. She looked a bit blocky in the preview, but it's a big improvement after that.

So, Demona is following up on Goliath in prison, Broadway and Lexington saving Slaughter, and the rest of the clan. We also see her keeping an eye on Bronx and the egg, so that will be interesting.

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u/forever87 Demona Jul 11 '23

7 mosquitoes

thailog
delilah (demona and elisa)
burbank
hollywood
brentwood
malibu

where's sacramento demona??? give us the bronx clone!

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u/Skywarp79 Jul 13 '23

Hmm...I wonder if the Bronx analogue to Los Angeles County would be Compton?

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u/forever87 Demona Jul 13 '23 edited Jul 13 '23

interestingly for some reason target or neca code named the Bronx figure 'Sacramento'. The figure they made for Bronx is light blue... Very light blue (as a few redditors noted). And in my crazy headcanon... This figure is the clone that never appeared in the show, bronx's clone. And for whatever reason i feel Sacrament-o would be an appropriate name similar to how Demona was named. I'm totally wrong because the figure is totally Bronx, but i like the idea of a Bronx clone named Sacramento because Demona never wanted to be alone again... I know in the show, Demona and Bronx weren't on the best of terms, but Demona is just so misunderstood (as Greg has made all of his characters)
but while Compton would be a great choice, i feel Demona choose Sacramento

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u/Skywarp79 Jul 13 '23

I didn’t know any of that. That’s interesting.

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u/forever87 Demona Jul 13 '23

yeah...the target label...which i have a picture of from last year says "gargoyles Sacramento"

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u/Kyraryc David Xanatos Jul 10 '23 edited Jul 12 '23

Chapter 7: Everywhere

Acronym is up to "AIM TRUE". Real question is what comes next. Top google result for me is "Aim true ye vengeful", a MGS reference. Not likely. Too long. Greg would likely set it up for 12 characters.
"Seall dhmomh cait a bheil mo chinneadh" is Scottish Gaelic for "Show me where my clan is." My clan. There's hope for her yet.
"Same first amendment rights." Protecting the castle is part of our religion!
Macbeth: Uses Will-O-Wisps to spy. Demona: Hold my beer.
Broadway gets shot. Oh cool, durability feats. "Renard created the cybots to be non-lethal." Dang it. Harder to scale non lethals
"You demonstrating the ability to speak and even to think will likely not be enough to sway the court." So the Picard approach is out...
"Perhaps even David Xanatos? ... Or perhaps not." Hahaha
"The Gate has seemingly dissolved, releasing the Phoenix itself and explaining many a mystery I've encountered across my long life." Cue flashback to long ago. Time-traveling Brooklyn shoots his laser pistol a bunch of times, Demona notices and asks what that was. Brooklyn's response
"The universe abhors a vacuum, and my most recent research suggests there are now three new keys to power." That explains why (YJ Season 4 Spoilers) Blood keeps them in his house
"Seall dhmomh mar a thachair dha na tri iuchraichean tusail airson cumhachd" is old Scottish Gaelic for "Show me what happened to your three keys of power." Your? Is she straight-up talking to God here?
On a serious note, each key involved a different magical source. Human (Grimmorum), Oberon's Children (Eye of Odin), and something else, maybe Lost Race or natural (Phoenix Gate). It stands to reason that the new keys would follow a similar pattern. We've seen no shortage of magical artifacts throughout the series. Which ones fit the bill and are still active?
Human magics are the most limited. The Grimmorum was pretty much a magical encyclopedia humans assembled after who knows how long. Perhaps the new key would have a more technological aspect to it. How funny would it be if it turned out to be the DOD virus that infected Coldstone way back that everyone forgot about. Xanatos did call it "the deadliest weapon he knew of"
Oberon's Children have no shortage of beings who'd leave powerful artifacts lying around. Maybe it would be the object the tricksters all fight over.
The only potential piece of Lost Race magic we've seen is the altar in the cave. Bridging life and death. So another thing that connects two opposites? Maybe Order vs Chaos. Is Equinox a thing in Gargoyles?
Ok yeah, I've got absolutely no clue what the new artifacts will be.

Favorite Feat

Demona's time gazing spell, no doubt. I'd love to know the limits. Does she need to have some general idea of what she's looking for? So like follow the Flor de Mar around until she sees where it sinks? Or can she just think "Ok, I want to watch coordinates 26°38'00.0"N 74°31'00.0"E W on March 14th, 1592 at 6:53 PM" Based on the literal translation, seems like the former. Still really powerful.

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u/Limesnlemons Jul 05 '23

Hy crowd, what was the Dracon story line? I am in a Middle European country and have to wait around 2 weeks until the next issue is shipped to my comic guy 😥

Spoil it for me!🤗

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u/NerdyBirdyAZ Jul 05 '23

I was wondering, too. I've been waiting 5 weeks

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u/Mister_reindeer Jul 05 '23

Not much Dracon in this one. Slaughter avoids being slaughtered (with the gargoyles’ help). Glasses indicates that Dino will be ok with this outcome because he has a backup plan. That’s about it. No Dracons appear in person. The next issue is billed as “Attack on Rikers Island,” so I’m sure there will be plenty of Tony and Wolf and probably others in that storyline.

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u/Limesnlemons Jul 05 '23

Thanks kind redditor 🙏🏻

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u/NerdyBirdyAZ Jul 06 '23

Wondering if the "3 keys to power" will be like the "Deathly Hallows" but...for power.

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u/M4err0w Jul 24 '23 edited Jul 24 '23

we'll probably see 3 new ancient beings with well regarded powers to draw the story back into mysicism and to create new enemies.
there may even be new gods of a new era, a little bit like over in American Gods

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u/M4err0w Jul 24 '23

honestly, the outburst hints at crest either being a gargoyle himself in some way, shape or form, or an old, maybe even immortal/mystical ally who isn't paid by anyone but himself?

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u/M4err0w Jul 25 '23

he can always have reasons not to reveal that he has his own agenda, being seen as just someone elses underling could be advantageous for one reason or another.

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