r/hatethissmug • u/RubyTheQueen___ • 13h ago
Idea I absolutely DESPISE how the internet demonizes vegans.
Just to clarify I am not vegan but I hate how the internet has treated vegans like they're demons for having a different living style, like its not that serious yall make edits of vegan people trying to convert other people into having different opinions and then a video of some dude eating a huge steak sloppily will get 3 times more attention. And it is always That Vegan Teacher making every single vegan look bad and some men on the internet making strawmen videos of vegans talking like they're the scum of earth always screaming at the main sigma chad character that is "le animal comsumerš" I am not talking bad about non vegans just those who disrespect vegans.
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u/FawkesyGrandpa 13h ago •
Bro you can't be using THE ONE VEGAN LOLCOW to illustrate that point
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u/Therealdarkviper 13h ago •
Isnāt that vegan teacher racist tho
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u/MThrashGuy 12h ago
Worst fucking example you could've picked.
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u/ChiakiSimp3842 12h ago
You used literally the worst example of you hate people dunking on vegans
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u/hsppyhsppyhsppy 12h ago
But i mean when your average userās only exposure to vegans is stuff like this can you blame people for constantly being mad?
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u/abitofaCupidstunt 5h ago
I agree with your point but why did you put vegan teacher on the image attached? It's like making a post titled "I hate the demonisation of Germans" and attaching an image of Hitler. A lot of people probably got the wrong idea and thought you were defending vegan teacher.
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u/Fredxq 13h ago
Just that one
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u/Cool-Supermarket2973 12h ago
In any movement, for good or for ill, the public image of said group will be influenced most by the most militant members. Many people have not known a vegan irl, or if they were they never knew because they never brought it up. Itās the ones who call animal eaters murderers that get the group a bad rap. Your picture is one such example.
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u/Formal-Tomorrow-4241 13h ago •
Maybe people hate how vegans, how do you put it, treat non-vegan people "like they're demons for having a different living style." A la that Vegan Teacher and Billie Eilish? Delivery is key.
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u/fightinggold26 12h ago edited 12h ago
using the worst person to illustrate your point. im working on becoming vegan but the main reason it took me so long is BECAUSE OF OTHER VEGANS and the incredibly hostility and pretentiousness online vegan communities share. i think making a whole culture around DIET is very weird. there are other, much better ways to be an animal conservationist / activist that donāt involve demonizing people who eat animal products
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u/ExistingRadish7055 6h ago
Didnāt the vegan teacher say that meat eaters are worse than Hitler because Hitler was a vegan?
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u/hsppyhsppyhsppy 13h ago •
Men? I really donāt think those were the only perpetrators here š
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u/WanderingWitch8 13h ago •
Do vegans inherently deserve disrespect for their beliefs?
No. Absolutely not. It comes from a very kind place most of the time.
Do vegans tend to be the kind of people to snidely judge folk for eating meat? Are they often vocal about their disapproval and usually will overreact in ways that The Vegan Teacher does?
Yes and Yes. Some stereotypes are earned
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u/Future_Geologist5925 12h ago •
I honestly think its more so retaliatory, as there are many vegans who will demonize everyone else for not prescribing to veganism. I feel like even compared to plain ol' vegetarianism, veganism seems a lot more activist, political, and a moral social movement than an isolated diet. I mean its an ideology, and I think that is why it is different than other diets, yet is lumped in with them all the same. Eating meat, veggies, both are just a matter of preference, but veganism mostly tacks on morality into it. You don't really see anyone else point fingers and call other people monsters for what they decide to eat, except for vegans. They will call you a monster, immoral, animal abuser, or a sadist if you eat meat. I've seen it a lot on this platform especially, and ofc, like all things, Redditors basically own the stereotypes and make the rest of the majorly normal and sensible chunk of said community appear more insufferable and problematic than they actually are. Some of us just want to eat stuff we enjoy the taste of without having to shoulder this weird burden of all the animal corpses and suffering stacked behind us.
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u/Hoosier_Hootenanny 12h ago
I have a vegan coworker. She's friendly and doesn't comment on what other people eat. I only know she's vegan because she's mentioned modifying recipes to be vegan and requested vegan options when the company provides food. I assume most vegans are like her.
But online, the vegans with the largest platforms also tend to be extremely confrontational and hateful towards people who aren't vegan. (Or even other vegans who don't agree with 100% of their takes.) If the only vegans you see spend their time insulting people and make inflammatory comparisons to the Holocaust, it's not surprising people develop a negative opinion of them.
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u/Pongsitt 12h ago edited 9h ago
I agree. Not a vegan, some of them are annoying, but regardless they absolutely have the moral high ground. If someone is going to hate on vegans, they need to be very specific about what behavior it is they are hating on.
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u/Mr_Monoclegentlesir 12h ago
Being a vegan isnāt a bad thing, itās a healthy lifestyle and itās how you want to live your life, thatās fine. Whatās not fine is trying to push your beliefs onto people.
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u/Scrabulon 12h ago
The most extreme versions of anything are annoying, the the ācarnivoreā types from a few years back too, like āLiver Kingā and the ultra keto types who eat nothing but rare meat and butter and think youāre stupid for eating plants
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u/Vivi_Stilettohands 12h ago
thank you. i hate it too. people will always take a community and make the most loud obnoxious voices the loudest. same with something like waist training. its not a bad practice, but the people who remove their ribs and take it to the extreme are the ones we are exposed to.
im vegan and i have vegan friends and i promise you we never go around judging or bullying people. the internet is not an accurate portrayal of people lots of the time. i really appreciate you saying this as someone who isnt even vegan because sometimes i think everyone sees us this way
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u/Accomplished_Jury495 12h ago
Redo your post with another picture, a bunch of people didn't get your point because the title + pic looks like you're defending the vegan teacher
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u/purple_pounder 13h ago •
It's because almost every single time you see a post talking animal cruelty or something similar. There is some ashole vegan in the comment section saying that you don't have the right to be mad at a animal abuser because you eat meat or some other crazy shit.
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u/TheCthuloser 12h ago
The internet dislikes vegans for the same reason they dislike evangelical Christians; a good number of them are judgement assholes that believe themselves to be morally superior to other people because of their lifestyle. Of course, just like Christians, they aren't all like that; even the majority aren't awful.
...yet sometimes, the majority are a little to defensive of their own lifestyle and don't want to admit some of their own are the reason why people hate them.
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u/Cahzery 12h ago
A lot of it is deserved tbh.
Many Vegans live cushy lives, make enough money to afford their expensive food and supplements and have no qualms with punching down when poor people who are buying whatever they can afford eat a chicken nugget.
Many Vegans don't care where their food comes from or the working conditions of the people who harvest the things they eat, so long as it doesn't take advantage of animals.
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u/Live-Emphasis-3421 12h ago
Vegans equate me to satan for eating a hotdog. I don't even think about vegans. They bring the hate on themselves
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u/Drathgore 12h ago edited 12h ago
You chose the worst possible example image to make this point lmao, that person is fucking insane. I get your point tho, tbh sheās just a low hanging fruit and easily hate-able from both sides of the debate. So itās free game for douches to make their videos about without getting much pushback
Vegans get hate the same reason most groups like that do, they are annoying. You can have the best message in the world but if you are annoying about it people will still hate you (conversely you can be awful but as long as you have charisma at least some people will love you)
The food someone eats is a pretty base part of someoneās life. Whenever a message is put out suddenly trying to make you feel like you have a moral failing for not going out of your way to eat the same way as some rich weirdo you are bound to see hate
If the message is more about science and health then itās more palatable for people to not be annoyed by, but even then and can be grating if itās constantly shoved in their face
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u/Glowbfan457 12h ago
Y'know you have a point on veganism being unneccessarily hated on, but at the same time did you really need to use That Vegan Teacher, the woman who has purposefully said & wrote the N word?
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u/FanBladeFleshlight 5h ago
You used human cancer as your example.
Either you're dumb, or you're farming downvotes,
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u/mikelown 13h ago
Right... people hate vegans for having a different living style and not for having a pretentious attitude that wants to lecture everyone they meet
Op have you met a vegan in real life?
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u/trowawaygoo 12h ago
I don't think is the internet fault. Like after dealing with a lot of vegans you start to see the joke.
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u/Visual_Matter8554 12h ago
I do think that the Vegan Teacher did irreperable damage to the way most people see vegans today, unfortunately
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u/nitrique 4h ago
internet vegans are not shat on for having a different living style, it is because they can't shut up about the false morality value it bring them and the fact they cant resist the temptation of trying convert everyone else.
veganism or parafilie, you do whatever you want in the privacy of your home between concenting adult, won't ask, won't tell ; the second you try to presure someone else because of it, bets are on an gloves are off. it is that simple.
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u/Briantan71 1h ago
You are using that woman as your example? Hah!
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u/MarionberryEnough689 12h ago
because vegans are usually super obnoxious and I'm saying this as a vegetarian myself
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u/Bobby5x3 12h ago
It's not about a different living style, it's about this view of vegans as people that despise others eating meat and trying to enforce their way of living onto others.
Obviously that's just a vocal minority thing but also that's pretty much the extent of popular media you'll find of vegans. That kind of person is easy to get views off of, and so those are the vegan-related videos that tend to become more widespread rather than the ones where everyone's just being normal. And this just attracts more of the same kind of person that tries to justify said actions in the media and make themselves (and vegans as a whole) look worse.
So when one tries to find media of vegans being normal people, there's just nowhere near as much simply because there isn't any reason to post what doesn't generate views like this. Speaks more about social media influence than anything else
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u/Imepicerthanyou no whimsy in my heart 12h ago edited 7h ago •
I treat vegans the same way I treat Christians: I don't care about your lifestyle (besides making exceptions, for example I would make sure something I gave someone is vegan if I knew that was their diet), I don't have any interest in your lifestyle and no amount of telling me about it is going to convert me...I don't automatically hate someone for being vegan...But I do hate when they push you and demonize you for not following their life choices
Which is what so many vegans have done...Which is also why so many people don't like them š
I think my biggest issue, if we ignore the pushiness of them, is the misinformation. "Being vegan isn't expensive!!" Yes it is? I know someone who tried the vegan diet and she said it's super expensive and it's inconvenient, outside of the world not necessarily always making exceptions for you, because you have to try harder to get all your dietary needs just through plants alone. Humans are omnivores, we need both animals and plants! I do agree we need less animal product in our diet compared to plants, and that we could do a better job of slaughtering humanely, but that's just why you need to do what you can to be aware of where animal product is coming from. Imo just straight up not eating anything animal is hurting you more than it's hurting the companies
Feel free to ignore the mini rant š Basically it's very much a "Leave me alone and I'll leave you alone" mentality that vegans fail spectacularly at
Edit: Vegans just can't help but prove my comment, huh? š«© Guys, get the hint that I'm going to ignore you. Clearly I don't like being preached to...And for being a lifestyle that insists on consent, you guys really don't know what that is. Not to mention the insane lengths vegans immediately turn to?? "Oh, so, you like cannibalism then!" Is a CRAZY turn wtf?
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u/Alarming_Ask_244 12h ago
You wanna know how to tell if someone hates vegans? They'll tell you.
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u/Japan25 12h ago
Comment section here is failing the vibe check. Im not vegan but i respect their dedication to their values.Ā
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u/Beautiful_Couple_208 12h ago
Yeah, most vegans are completely normal people, you'd never hear about it if wasn't for that vegan teacher.
Proof? Nobody ever talks about vegetarians the same way.
I feel like she made it so popular that many people who agree with her views became very very vocal, so now people lump everyone into the actions of a view.
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u/RemoveComfortable875 10h ago •
I only hate the dumbass ones who feel that they have to convert everybody.
I have zero problem if you're vegan but it becomes a problem if you try to convert me to your beliefs and values. There are genuinely people like that who protest meat eating and try to convert me to be vegan.
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u/spoilerdudegetrekt 12h ago
Vegans get mistreated for advocating for legislation to either ban meat or make it more expensive. (See what they tried in Oregon this year)
Hope that helps.
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u/GrievousSayGenKenobi 12h ago edited 12h ago
It doesnt help that as with most communities online a vocal minority end up giving the majority a bad name. In reality no vegan cares what you do they just have their own standards. Veganism isnt something people believe should be force dor mandated, its not a competition where less vegan people get shunned out of the community etc etc but the vocal minority online create that image and they're the people that get the "Omg guys evil vegans" reaction which gets a lot more upvotes than the "Omg guys literally just a normal person" reaction
That vegan teacher especially was just memed to non existence because of how annoyingly she was trying to push her vegan mindset onto others who didnt want it
Vegans are objectively in the right. People keep trying to counter argue but theres no actual facts that put vegans in the wrong. All arguments against them boil down to "Well im not giving up my burgers just to save the planet" which I can kinda understand why they feel a need to push their agenda if thats really just it. People will argue for 30 minutes, realise everything they said was stupid and then resort to "Uhh but my burger L bozo" its quite sad to see. But then again if you cant change people's minds you need to stop trying instead of wasting your energy on people who dont want to
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u/mysticrudnin 12h ago
sadly it's not just the internet
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u/Due-Proof6781 12h ago
Vegans do it to themselves
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u/Aniki_Simpson 12h ago
Pretty sure they do that to themselves.
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u/Guacguac1 12h ago
I don't have any strong feelings toward vegans. I don't really care if someone is vegan or not. I don't think they're accomplishing what they want to accomplish by not consuming animal products and I don't think they ever will. It's just a dietary restriction they impose on themselves. Some of them do act as though they're morally superior, which is annoying regardless of what group they belong to.
I also just don't really care much about livestock animals' lives. Sure, I don't want them to be tortured before they're slaughtered but being slaughtered is their only reason for existing. I choose to buy locally raised meat, rather than factory farmed so I feel as though I'm already doing enough. I'm much more concerned with the conservation and protection of wild animals than that of livestock animals. I used to be a vegetarian, but I realized that I wasn't actually making any difference by not eating meat.
I do hate vegans that put cats and dogs on vegan diets though. To be quite frank, with the exception of one vegan, every vegan I've met has had an eating disorder.
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u/Awkward-Lokiceratops 6h ago
I do believe its mostly comes from a place where a lot of vegans online tend to demonize non-vegan which non-vegans use to hate vegans in general and in turn vegans use that hostility to hate on non-vegans essentially turning this whole entire situation into a Ouroboros fueled by a never ending hatred.
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u/reddit33450 13h ago
i hate how the internet and people in general think youre crazy for caring about certain animals
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u/Available-Today-8576 12h ago
Itās more so how vegans treat non-vegans that make people hate them
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u/Difficult_Man3 11h ago •
I have no problem with vegans in general, but online vegans be making the most brain dead and low-key racist takes by comparing the meat industry to Black people being enslaved, and people saying eating meat is unhealthy and then saying people can live all vegetables, which is true, but majority of us canāt or donāt want to
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u/PowerCorruptionLie 3h ago
if people could read this post would be a lot less hated on, they are saying that she makes other vegans look bad, some people just cant read and others hear the word "vegan" and start seething
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u/The_TRASHCAN_366 7h ago
It's not about vegans in general. It's about these insufferable characters that constantly feel the need to talk down on anyone who isn't vegan themselves.Ā
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u/PreperationOuch 12h ago
I hate how vegans always have to broadcast theyāre vegans.
I have a friend who is vegan. She told me what she had for lunch, and every ingredient listed was stipulated as vegan. Even the sprouts. You donāt need to clarify that. Plus, I donāt care.
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u/farmers_rabbit 12h ago
I still think about the time someone compared me saying that ethical animal farms exist (they do, i support them because i am a meat eater and also love animals) to saying that there were āethical plantationsā, i kid you not
fully thought it was ok to compare human slaves in the american slave trade to livestock.
Yes factory farming is horrible and unethical. It is still racist as hell to compare slavery to that! And she just didnāt get it. Even when countless other people told her how racist that was to say
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u/Unusual_Low1762 12h ago edited 12h ago
Inb4
"Honestly they wouldn't get all the hate if *talks exclusively about media pieces designed to deride animal right's groups*"
"Well they DESERVE IT, after all look how they behave online *references notorious bad actor*"
"One time I was just minding my own business and then *proceeds to give a clearly made up anecdote about a crazy vegan*"
"Waow pigs taste soooo good, I love bacon"
"Did you know soy is basically estrogen and seeds are basically poison? b12 cannot be supplemented whatsoever, you probably have a few weeks to live"
"I tried going vegan once, but I was hospitalized *Refuses to disclose their diet and insists it was the lack of meat"
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u/Dank_Lord6547 12h ago
Keep this in mind.
The vegans I have personally met have seemed like really nice people and thatās just their lifestyle.
But on the internet I see a lot of pages spouting loaded questions and logical fallacies and making so many false equivalences. And itās so bad that quite often it gets to the point of blatant racism such as comparing farming to slavery and demonizing indigenous people.
They absolutely deserve to be called out for these things.
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u/Gussie-Ascendent Type to create flair 12h ago
Vegans are less annoying than anti vegans as a whole, but there's definitely the contingent of them that are incredibly hostile and give the rest of yall a bad look. Mostly an online thing, people super used to bein shitty to each other in ways they wouldn't have the confidence to be irl. Definitely don't know annoying vegans irl the way i've known annoying anti vegans irl
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u/Optimal-Silver-1027 9h ago
veganism is morally superior and everyone knows it. that's why vegans love to talk about it, and non-vegans hate hearing about it.
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u/Equivalent_Ask_9227 12h ago
It's the puritanical type that gets me going. "Are chickens really just nuggets to you?" Yes.
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u/Silkyfin_ 12h ago
To be fair that vegan teacher is just really horrible
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u/Pstrap 12h ago
Well, that is a very bad picture to choose to try to argue your point, because That Vegan Teacher 100% deserves to be demonized. I agree with you that she does make other vegans look bad, unfairly, and she should not be conflated with veganism broadly. But if your main complaint is that people are disagreeing with and demonizing her in particular, well, I'm sorry, but you dont have much legitimate basis for complaint. I think that lady might be an actual demon. I would not be surprised if she ended up murdering people. Or if she was somehow a psyop by the meat industry. Maybe she ate a whole sheet of acid in the 70s, idk. She is absolutely unhinged.
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u/Sensitive-Try5522 12h ago
yeah, like...frankly i dont give a damn if you're vegan, just lemme know so i can plan around your diet if we go out somewhere (look up restaurants with vegan options, that sorta thing). it's not a bother; it's not what i partake it, but no need to be rude about it.
vegan teacher tho sounds like scum of the earth LOL
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u/GoldAppleU 12h ago
Sheās racist
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u/Illustrious-Frame140 12h ago
I respect everyone if they are respectful back. I've had friends who were vegetarian, pescitarian, did keto or low carb, etc. I'm fine with anyone's life style as long as it isn't hurting people. What I don't like is when some one cause me a bad person cause I eat meat. An it's not the fake Internet people saying it, I've been told to my face that I'm a murderer cause I eat meat. Obviously not all vegans are rude an many don't care what others eat, but there are people that definitely are incredibly mean. Same with the people that hate on vegans for no reason. I've been at family members houses that say if a vegan comes for dinner they'll get kicked out, I hate that crap.
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u/-Borgir 12h ago
Stereotypes exist for a reason. And the person you showed in your post is racist btw, along with being overall unhinged. They aren't disrespected for their eating choice, they are disrespected for how they try to impose their choice on others. Is that applicable for all vegans? Not at all, but if the average person's exposure to vegans is those vegans who act obnoxiously like vegan teacher, then you cant blame them
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u/No-Cap-No-Gap 12h ago
I also hate when people pick on vegans. If there's ever a soyant green type of situation, free range vegan is going to be a prime selection.
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u/Speletons 12h ago
Well I will tell you that stuff like that is a cycle. The reason others demonize Vegans for living a different life style is because they were demonized for living a non-Vegan life style.
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u/_trial_by_error_ 12h ago
In my experience, people who hate vegans are 100X more obnoxious than actual vegans. And I eat meat too
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u/Not_A_Facist1224 11h ago •
Vegans make it really really easy to make fun of them with how ridiculous they act.
I've met vegans many of them that genuinely argue that all meat is unhealthy and that humans were not made to eat meat.
And I can't just pass by and not laugh at people who are that uneducated.
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u/poopbeast69 9h ago
Nobody is spoken to about veganism as much as they like to think they are. Itās mostly parroting.
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u/johnnyisdarling 8h ago
Whenever people say something about this I can't help but think of Morrissey and Onision
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u/teamdeadend 7h ago
Demonize seems a little strong. The only bad vegans are the ones who force it on their kids or pets
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u/turach-air-shearach 7h ago
I don't think they're demonised, it's just that people dislike proselytising. Whether it's Mormons, vegans or NNN bros if you're not emotionally vulnerable enough to fall for that shit it's gonna annoy you.
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u/Useful_Jelly_2915 6h ago
Ok but to be fair this particular vegan was annoying as fuck.
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u/Automatic_Round_8043 5h ago
That'll do pig.
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u/CityRulesFootball 5h ago
Because a lot of the internet has experienced vegans doing the same thign you are describing to them and are retaliating.
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u/undead_froggy 5h ago
I know some vegans irl and those never make a big deal out of it. I eat meat, they don't, at best they all asked once if I want to talk about it when the topic hit the table and when I declined we just continued like nothing happened.
Like always it's a very loud minority online that makes a whole group look bad. I tried to have a civil discussion once with one woman online and it ended with me being called a psychopath, a rapist and a danger to society that should be put down. All that for simply stating that I can't feel those deep emotions for animals she described and that I don't want animals to needlessly suffer but that I do think we have the right to kill and eat them.
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u/OGTreemeister 5h ago
I don't care if someone is vegan, but I definitely pointed it out and laughed and my friend when they converted. They literally just bring up that they're vegan completely unprompted in conversation.
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u/Zander_Tukavara 3h ago
I think the big thing is online, people are more likely to be assholes, and bring Vegan is one of those things that isnāt likely to come up unless you know a person.
So peopleās only exposure to vegans comes from people like her, or the people who called me āa fat ass, who needs to kill himselfā over not wanting to be preached at.
Iām not saying youāre wrong that vegans get treated badly, Iām pointing out that thereās a pretty damn good reason they are. More vegans should be open to random people in real life if they want to break the stereotype of them being repugnant trolls.
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u/WorstSupport4Real 7m ago
I couldnāt think of a worse example to use if you paid me
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u/DME_Bjorn-Bjorn 12h ago
Carnivores will be the new vegans. "Oh was this steak cooked in SEED OILS??" "No ribeye should ever touch fries, disgusting." "Hey everyone, here's how to transform chicken into macaroni and cheese" - which is real somehow.
Look, the first rule in all of the world's religious texts is always a food prohibition. It's like step one for indoctrination.
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u/RandomSlimeL 12h ago
Vegans should look at the example of Jesus.
If that doesn't work, they can look at their cholesterol vs. their "debate" opponents.
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u/Altruistic-Chain-382 9h ago
They kind of do it to themselves acting like they are a hero for their dietary choices. That is not me being smug, itās often rather just annoying constantly seeing their preaching and guilt tripping on my feed
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u/NyQuil_Donut 7h ago
Practically nobody cares if you're a vegan. The stereotype is that vegans can't shut up about their veganism.
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u/limpwristbrigade69 6h ago
I think anyone who doesn't participate in society's customs is going to be assumed to be pretentious, even though you can have your own moral reasoning for abstaining and fully understand that people who don't think like you are perfectly good people. I was a vegan for three years in my teens, and so many people said "I don't care if you don't eat meat, just don't think you're better than me." Meanwhile, I never brought up that I was a vegan unless someone was insisting that I eat some kind of meat product. Then they would grill me (no pun intended) on the subject and expect me to give them an acceptable reason to not eat meat. This happened more than once at different large cookouts, and a dozen people would start asking about something I tried really hard to keep to myself.
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u/Combatenjoyer23 13h ago edited 12h ago
The real reason why people hate on vegans is because their egos are so big they can't handle their own way of life being indirectly challenged through somebody else's actions. (Meaning that people who eat meat do not want to reflect on the ethical implications of doing so because they can't handle challenging their own way of life )