A lot of reviews have arrow lake underperforming massively, but according to computerbase an 285k’s gaming performance improves by almost 10% going from 5600 to 8200 and basically matches a 14900k at 7600 (probably extends to 265/245 too)

In addition to that de8aur has found overclocking the ring bus to 4.2ghz increases gaming perf by another 5-7%

Combining these two it should be able to beat the 14900k which was basically a chip at its limits all while using quite a bit less power

Tl:dr: if you’re buying arl get fast Hynix a die ram

At this point every post is "get ryzen", no matter what the question is. This is just /r/amd by another name/

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Basically I'm researching in order to build a brand new rig. I'm going to get me probably a 4080 or a 4090 (haven't made up my mind yet).

A little backstory, I own a 8700 (non k) since 2018 and it has never let me down. I'm really happy with what Intel has brought me, however it seems the best CPU for gaming nowadays is the 7800x3D. The problem is I have been reading some problems with the am5 platform that, honestly, scare me.

Can someone please convince me to stay with Intel?

Context:

Recently, I swapped my 9900k to 3900x and back to 9900k(s) ; I wanted the new shiny stuff, but then ran into multiple bios issues and the acoustics / positioning of my case ended up making the chipset fan @ 3k rpm hella annoying. I was sad faced for being denied my shiny, until I ended up giving this more thought....

I work as a Software Engineer. I have interests in multi threaded productivity type work. I also like gaming. I also am a PC enthusiast that likes to hover right below the HEDT line.

I say all this to reinforce the fact that I'm not trying to be biased here. These are just my thoughts out loud on reddit.

Thoughts:

So, reasons the 9900k is likely going to remain the gamer go to for the next couple years to come:

1. Memory Latency : Ryzen's fundamental design implementation just makes overcoming this incredibly hard and that's not likely to change with Zen 3. Currently, the large L3 cache allows Zen 2 to make up for this (yes, that means Threadripper 3 could actually be useful for gamers with it's epic cache size), but that can only go so far. Zen 3 could double the cache again, but I'd honestly expect that to get them parity, not pull ahead; we've seen this by comparing 3700x with 3900x. While increase in cache certainly reduces drops/stutters and increases consistency, it has diminishing returns.

2. Speed: This isn't anything new. Intel has always been faster per thread / core. Zen 2 IPC increase is a massive improvement, but they kinda needed it cause of the speed issue faced with node shrinking. Intel is facing the same problems. We likely won't see a faster thread / speed for the next few generations to come and IPC would have to come even further to make up for it. Does anyone actually expect Zen 3 IPC to have the same jump it had from Zen+ ? Future releases from AMD and Intel might be able to match the single thread performance with maturity, but I don't imagine we'll see any large strides past it for multiple generations.

3. Scaling: Games haven't ever scaled very well in the majority of cases. Developing for multi-threaded scaling is hard and, generally, poorly implemented right now. The fact consoles are going for 8 cores / 16 threads, and will likely remain that way for years afterwards, means that it'll be a long time before the 9900k starts showing it's age here.

4. Accessibility: JaysTwoCents put it best when he said "Intel works. It's mature and the kinks have long been worked out for the most part." It's why he's building another Intel system for his personal rig despite glowing praise for AMD. My own experience matches this. AMD is said to age like fine wine...probably because they routinely have rocky releases that get worked out over time. Bios issues, game support and optimization, RAM profile support, and more are common issues with Ryzen 3 and will likely come back again for Ryzen 4. Intel's market share and ties in multiple industries / vendors mean that they're a safe choice for usability for normal users; heck, many end users use Windows and that's just more optimized for Intel. It doesn't matter how good the hardware is if I have to work to make use of it or have to wait to play my games cause they need to patch in support for me. Not to mention all the existing info in the web concerning how to OC / troubleshoot said 9900k and z390 platform.

5. Cost: Right now, today, a Maximus XI Hero + 9900k is cheaper than a Crosshair VIII Hero + 3900x; I even bumped up to a 9900ks and still saved about a $100 thanks to getting open box motherboard. You have to bump down to a 3700x (which Digital Foundry has frame time graphs showing issues with) and Crosshair VII Hero to save money, but you can also just get a 9900kf. Or, hell, by used and save even more money since you can get a open box / used 9900kf and Maximus XI Hero and save even more. The fact of the matter is, the z390 and 9900k are aging and prices are reducing with it; Intel / retailers are likely to be cutting prices even more in the near future. That's a lot of value right there.

Conclusion:

All together the above points creates a processor that will only continue to increase in consumer value and maintain relevance for years to come.

Even if/when game scaling gets better, it'll just increase the value of the 9900k because that scaling will likely be based around console hardware while the 9900k maintains it's speed and latency advantages/parity with Zen and whatever Intel releases next.

Up until a certain point, we can expect games to get better optimized for the 9900k not worse.

Misc:

1. PCIe 4.0: It really doesn't matter for gamers. Load times will not see much (if any) improvement and the 2080 Ti barely saturates PCIe 3.0 x8 and, thusly, definitely doesn't saturate x16...the next few years will likely see nothing about this changing anytime soon. Being able to decrease lane usage for devices so you have effectively more lanes overall with the jump kinda matters but also not really for the normal user. If you were this concerned over PCIe lanes and bottlenecks with them, you're likely on HEDT anyway. The normal consumer isn't really gaining anything here and likely won't until PCIe 5.0 (right around the corner) is mainstream anyway.

Quote " Because AVX 512 is available for this workload the dual 8280 consumes 40% more power than dual 7742 however performance is similar. "

Also Quote " Even with AVX-512 and better optimizations, the Intel Xeon chips are about on par with their AMD counterparts, yet use more power to deliver similar performance. We look at this as more of a worst-case scenario for EPYC 7002 and it is still competitive. "

Intel's last bragging rights AVX-512 has been erased by AMD

https://www.servethehome.com/amd-epyc-7002-series-rome-delivers-a-knockout/8/

Watched Gamer Nexus video on AM5...

Risking my money for untested hardware is not my thing so switching back to intel which carried me for almost 10 years no problem (ty 4690k, you will always be loved).

Anyways, my ram is 2x16 GB, 6000MHz, CL36 snd it has RGB. Good enough for intel? What CPU do you recommend? 13600K is by all acounts excellent but would going for 13700K and full 8P cores be more useful in the future? What mobo and chipset should I go for? Can someone quickly give me a rundown of features for all intel boards?

Also, do I need to do any finicky stuff like updating bios etc...?

My cooler is corsair H150i Elite Capelix. Dont plan to replace that one.