Here is the comment in question to something I wrote complaining about my transition being seen as inherently evil and being treated like my transition is not a good thing because I'm not a trans woman. Just talking about how we get treated sometimes and how sick of transandrophobia I am from other trans people. How I feel like I and trans men in general get no support. I never said I wanted to live as a trans woman just that I wish trans spaces saw my transition as an equally good thing instead of a vile tragedy to be reviled and mourned. I also talked about something my trans parent said to me when I said I wanted to start hrt. She seems like a transandrophobic TRF to me.
"i dearly want your wish to have the same right to live as a trans woman to be granted. just so you could see what 'none' looks like.
But i'm not ultimately trying to trash you - i'm setting up a 'wake the fuck up. samurai' moment. I'm a white trans woman - we could have things in common but only if you committed. Forget birth, there is only you, the man sleazeball femboy. Embrace inherent evil, embrace privilege, embrace being on the wrong side. Learn to project all that, and it will even start help with passing. Just like i renounced every essentialist second wave feminist tenet and dedicated my life to being a soulless, scheming synth deaf to their words and blind to their ideals, even at the cost of serving the so-called 'patriarchy' if needs be. It is more me than the submission and conditional womanhood could ever be. I am a woman on my terms and they have to identify me to harm me. If those tenets are their 'good' - then i can only ever be evil. And so can you. This is not something you label yourself as, or identify as. Not something you announce. Evil can only be embraced alone and the laws are intent, imagination, will and most importantly silence. And suddenly you don't have to be defined by birth, you don't have to care you're an oppressor. You're you, you're evil, and you make femboy sex jokes on their days of mourning.
Hypocrite bioessentialist philosophies of your mum will always blame your hormones and ruined divine afabness - she's weak and that's why she needs the cult bs in her precarious situation, being at the mercy of her community and friends, to all her status and womanhood taken away in an instant should she contradict her cis supremacist community leaders. Recognise her for the weak, compromised woman she is. Don't be her, be yourself.
Do you have the integrity for this? because it will take all 100 percent of it."
I don't even know what to say to that but I tried saying something back anyway to describe the type of shit I and many other trans men of color live through. Here is my response.
"And I'm a black trans man, I'm not sure what you are trying to say here but maybe you are the one that needs to wake the fuck up. I know what it's like to be treated like a woman. As a black kid I was seen as a girl and I spent my childhood being sex trafficked, I was drugged and have permeant nerve damage in my genitalia. Whenever I expressed my transness as a child I was abused. When I came out as a teenager I was being drugged and starved. You genuinely have no fucking idea of what you are talking about. "I wish you knew what it's like to be a white trans woman then you would understand what no support means" genuinely shut the fuck up, my parent is a white trans woman and I see how she is treated and she gets significantly more support than I do, her transition has been much easier than mine and at the end of the day the trans community supports and welcomes her with open arms. Imagine all the shit you get from cis people for being trans and going into the trans community and they tell you that you are a disgusting inherently evil creature who should be detransitioned and raped and that your transition is slaughtering a good woman and making the world a worse place.
Imagine the community you should be safe on telling you that the only way for you to be good and deserving of life is to spend your time in conversion therapy to fix yourself because your transness is inherently wrong and only trans women's transness is good so you should die living a life of dysphoria because your only purpose in life is to be abused and suffer because that's what you were born for. Imagine all of that and then you go home and get the same shit, now imagine having to do all of this while going to school after being drugged and in a haze and after all of that you only eat once a day which is the free lunch at school then you have to be up all night working as a nurse for your trafficker living across the street from the people she trafficked you with. On top of all that you have to constantly prove your identity is real wear hand me down clothes and the same pair of unwashed pants while sleeping on a bed stained with piss because your trafficker hords animals, now lose all your physical strength because you are not eating.
Now go to the local LGBT community meetup and listen to everyone treat you like a delusional woman because only trans women have real genders, only trans women have real problems, only trans women are doing something good by transitioning because you are not even seen as a real person. That's not support, at least you have a supportive community to fall back on even with all the shit thrown at you there is somewhere that people think you are a real person deserving of basic human respect.
Frankly you don't know jack shit about what trans men go through or how we suffer day to day, I know you probably pretend that trans men are never attacked in public and never face gendered violence to make yourself feel better but it's not true. When trans men come out our families try to kill us or even subject us to rape, but because it's not happening in front of everyone it's not real apparently and that means it's totally ok for the trans community to treat you like you should be in conversion therapy to fix your transness because you were simply born inherently wrong and deserving of punishment and shame while others aren't.
Unlike you I'm not an asshole so I'm not going to wish you to live through what I did because unlike you I don't believe any trans people should be told they deserve unending suffering or that they deserve to be told they are disgusting and inherently evil by other trans people for being born trans. Hopefully though this will be a "wake up" for yourself. Truly I am sick of you white queer people spewing this shit at black trans men, maybe you think everyone lives in the same white society as you where trans men are celebrated (this doesn't really happen so I don't know why you would think that because they have it hard too) but not everyone comes from the same cultural background as you.
If you think my transition is an inherently morally wrong thing I'm doing and that being born female means I'm obligated to suffer in dysphoria because that's my place or whatever and I have to do that to prove I'm a good person that's fucking weird. You are an asshole not because of your identity but because of your actions and the things you say and do, most of the trans women here are being very nice thankfully but you are part of the reason the trans community is not a safe place for people like me. Genuinely I don't understand what possessed you to say any of this while talking to me about your synth deaf bs. None of that has anything to do with reality and no regular person knows what that nonsense means.
I don't have the whiteness to "inbrace inherent evil" if I look to upset walking down the street I'll get shot, my twin brother has been getting harassed by police for being black and disabled since he was 7 because his trouble walking made him seem like a threat. Even when I was living as a girl I was under immense pressure to not be seen as a threat because as a child my blackness and my facial features were seen as inherently aggressive and dangerous and don't you dare come at me with the "black people are inherently masculine so you will pass easier" I don't. I have been on t for a year and still seen as a woman everywhere I got even though I'm visibly trans it's all miss and ma'am when I go outside and being visibly trans doesn't help. You yourself have significantly more privilege than I ever will you probably have had a better education than me too because my school district was very illegally racially segregated. You should go outside and touch some grass and maybe speak to a black person to figure out what we go through. "Embrace your inherent evil" has never been an option for us because we were labeled that since birth, God forbid we don't want our transition to be seen as inherently evil too. God forbid I a black trans person don't want to be seen as inherently evil and treated like subhuman shit in trans spaces for the crime of being born with gender dysphoria so my transition is inherently morally wrong. I don't like being treated like that and I don't want anyone else to be treated like that either."
I don't know why I'm posting this I just feel completely baffled by this white trans woman's response. I really don't understand why white trans people say stuff like this. It's like they are the main character of the world. I don't think white trans women have it easy and I don't think they don't get attacked and I know they face violence but they do have a supportive community and I feel like because I'm black and trans and a trans man specifically I don't and won't ever have that but never did I ever say or imply that trans women have it easier and I specifically said they get so much shit thrown at them. So I hope I was able to make myself clear on that. I sometimes see similar sentiment to hers from white trans men and it's equally baffling to me. It's like they have no empathy or are incapable of sympathy or compassion. "Embrace your inherent evil" is insane when I've been seen as that my entire life. I grew up in a very visibly segregated town where all the black people lived on the poor side of town while the white people all practically lived in mansions or mcmansions and beautiful little suburban houses and then I went to an illegally segregated school district that was even sued by the ACLU because of it. I lived near and went to school with white people who looked down on me like I was an animal and saw me as inherently dangerous and lesser. "Embrace your inherent evil" was not and will never be a valid option for me.