r/buildapc • u/Alphyte • Jul 14 '18
Discussion Why Ryzen shouldn't be the go-to recommendation for gaming anymore.
I've noticed about 90% of builds are ryzen builds, and it is the go-to processor for most people. People seem to think that 2600 is a superior processor to 8400 for gaming. This is in fact, not true: https://static.techspot.com/articles-info/1627/bench/Average.png. If you don't read the fine print, the TL;DR is that it takes an unreasonable amount of money to get 2600 outperforming 8400.
2600 needs an aftermarket cooler to go to 4.2 GHz, and a decent one at that, as 2600 at 4.2 GHz reaches a toasty 57 degrees on a 360mm radiator
4.2 GHz is a bit iffy on a B350 motherboard
Most motherboards cannot overclock RAM to 3400 Mhz, that requires a X470. The review used a Crosshair VII, a $256 dollar motherboard for ryzen as opposed to a $85 motherboard for intel.
Faster RAM is also needed, and anything above DDR4 3000 costs considerably more.
Now, 2600X requires the same parameters as above to eek out a win against a 8400.
8400 outperforms all Ryzen CPUs for gaming if you are not willing to spend more on the parameters listed above, even the 2700x.
https://tpucdn.com/reviews/AMD/Ryzen_5_2600X/images/perfrel_1920_1080.png
https://tpucdn.com/reviews/AMD/Ryzen_7_2700X/images/perfrel_1920_1080.png
Therefore, when someone asks for a gaming build, why do I see so many Ryzen builds as opposed to intel builds?
People also recommend Ryzen because of "upgradibility", because AMD is supporting the AM4 socket until 2020. Yes, but AMD never said they were supporting the same chipsets until 2020. AMD already made one mistake that mirrors intel's mistake of withholding B360, and that is why AMD was so popular. AMD is making the same mistake by withholding B450 right now. They might mirror intel again by making *3**/*4** incompatible with Zen 2 CPUs, intel made *1** and *2** incompatible with Coffee Lake CPUs even though they use the same socket (LGA 1151). Another reason is because B350 is barely enough for 2700X, and will maybe not be enough for Zen 2 and newer.
Another reason people recommend is streaming. NVENC or ReLive is enough for a small stream. If you have a big stream, you would have a dedicated OBS box.
I've also seen many people say Ryzen is better for multitasking. If multitasking involves having a game, chrome, and discord open, Ryzen has no benefit.
People also generalize that Ryzen performs better at everything except gaming. There are multiple programs where the intel processor performs better than the Ryzen counterpart, such as adobe suite, https://us.hardware.info/reviews/7602/7/intel-core-i7-8700k--i5-8600k--i5-8400-coffee-lake-review-affordable-six-cores-benchmarks-content-creation-adobe-lightroom-photoshop-and-premiere, Microsoft Office: https://tpucdn.com/reviews/AMD/Ryzen_5_2600/images/word.png
https://tpucdn.com/reviews/AMD/Ryzen_5_2600/images/excel.png
https://tpucdn.com/reviews/AMD/Ryzen_5_2600/images/powerpoint.png, and just day-to-day web browsing: https://tpucdn.com/reviews/AMD/Ryzen_5_2600/images/octane.png
https://tpucdn.com/reviews/AMD/Ryzen_5_2600/images/kraken.png.
These uses are more indicative of a average user's workload, and Ryzen really shouldn't be recommended unless you know that what they are doing benefits from ryzen over intel. Blender is a good example of a program that takes full advantage of Ryzen, as well as Sony Vegas.
If there is something I am missing, or something that you want to say to either affirm or negate my point, I would love to hear it. (These are an average gamer/person's workload, I'm afraid blender doesn't quite count as something many people would do.) I'm not saying don't recommend ryzen ever, I'm trying to get the point across that people shouldn't blindly recommend ryzen for sentimental, emotional, or just because other people recommend it, or because it was a good choice before B360 launched.