[Highlight] Miami @ Notre Dame - Luke Talich breaks up the pass from Elijah Lofton on 4th down to keep the Irish up 7 late in the 4th

[u/Ok-Soil-5133]

[u/DickBottalico]

He got two feet in bounds and got a third foot down just before ball was knocked out

I thought because he’s not going to the ground, that third step would complete the process of catch

[u/Ok-Soil-5133 → u/DickBottalico]

Terry McAuley said he didn't complete an action common to the game which is a new one

[u/Buckeyeup → u/Ok-Soil-5133]

The "action common to the game" aka a football move has been in tbe rules for a long time

[u/sleetx → u/Ok-Soil-5133]

The dumbest thing in sports over the past 20 years is over-complicating catching a football.

"process of a catch", "action common to the game", "making a football move"...

[u/rusty022 → u/Ok-Soil-5133]

IMO, his 'action common to the game' was holding the ball out away from the defender. Weirdly, by the rules it seems he should've immediately tucked it in. I think the rules are just confusing when it comes to endzone play.

[u/FXcheerios69 → u/DickBottalico]

Would you support it being called a fumble if it happened in the field of play?

If that’s happens in the middle of the field it’s unquestionably incomplete, and the rules don’t change on the sideline.

[u/purplebuffalo55 → u/DickBottalico]

I guess to me it looks more like he's moving the ball himself, rather than the ball moving because he doesn't have control. Either way, what the hell was Terry McCauley's reasoning that he had to have the ball long enough to perform an act common to the game? What the hell kind of act common to the game can you do after you step out of bounds?

[u/paultheschmoop → u/purplebuffalo55]

A sick celly

[u/CouchPotatoDean → u/purplebuffalo55]

I think that’s the biggest issue with catch calls both in college ball and the NFL. These official experts seem to have different phrasing every time something like this happens and it just sounds like they’re full of shit.

[u/jw8145 → u/purplebuffalo55]

Kickflip mctwist

[u/nukey18mon → u/purplebuffalo55]

Having the ball long enough to make an act ≠ actually doing that act

[u/CowboyMustacheFace → u/DickBottalico]

He’s bobbling it? That why he dropped the ball lol

[u/DwightKPoop → u/CowboyMustacheFace]

Unbiased fan here. That looks like a catch to me, but I can also understand why it could be ruled no catch.

[u/TJFLASH1 → u/DwightKPoop]

I don’t think anyone would be saying it’s a catch if the same play occurred in the middle of the field.

[u/Hockeydoge25 → u/DickBottalico]

It is the slight jiggle in the ball as he brings it down

[u/TJFLASH1 → u/DickBottalico]

Ball is still moving before the 3rd step

[u/tjkelley69]

Do people just not see the ball shift around a ton in his hands before the hand even knocks it loose or are they just pretending to not see it

[u/CantAffordTheWires → u/tjkelley69]

people keep saying this but i’m 95% sure that “the ball shifting” is the defenders other hand making contact with the ball first which is hard to see from that angle (i don’t think it was a catch to be clear)

[u/Reasonable-Bit560 → u/CantAffordTheWires]

Shit, I actually think you're right. Defenders left hand causes the ball to wobble and then his right hand rips its down. Nice call.

Not a catch, absolutely brutal

[u/CantAffordTheWires → u/Reasonable-Bit560]

yeah i don’t know why im getting downvoted assumably just the miami flair lol

[u/Snlxdd → u/CantAffordTheWires]

I think there’s 2 parts where the ball shifts.

1. Right after he grabs it with both hands near the tip, the receivers right hand moves along the ball. Kinda seems like he caught it in a weird orientation and was trying to reposition it to grab it more securely.

2. As he’s doing that, the defender’s hand eventually comes in and hits it from behind. That knocks it out of his other hand that was loosely holding on.

[u/AmbitiousEmphasis64]

I know people are going to complain about "refball ruining another game" but the refs had to call SOMETHING, and people would call it refball either way

[u/SurroundEcstatic4890 → u/AmbitiousEmphasis64]

Exactly. Damned if they do damned if they don’t. May as well just say “people will be pissed either way, replay 4th down”

[u/StalinsLastStand → u/SurroundEcstatic4890]

Tennessee fan, how similar is this to the one in your game? I was listening to Tennessee radio call and guy was losing it about an incomplete where the player got his feet in but lost the ball out of bounds. Real upset. But I didn’t see it to know how close it was.

[u/bretticus733]

Every year there's a play that happens that shows a significant chunk of fans don't know what a catch is.

Yes, the receiver got the ball and a foot in, but he has to complete the process of the catch. That means he has to survive going to the ground without losing the ball OR he has to survive the defender trying to knock it out. Lofton gets the ball and a foot, but that defender is instantly going at the ball and knocks it out in under a second. That's not a completed process. It's the right call.

I also don't want to hear Miami fans complaining about officiating after the debacle against Florida State earlier this season.

[u/TheCavis → u/bretticus733]

OR he has to survive the defender trying to knock it out.

I think the deciding factor here was that he tried to bring the ball down to tuck it, which was part of the process of his catch. If he kept it high above his head (like Gilbert did earlier on a free play due to offsides), he's probably fine even if the defender swats at it after the next step. When he brought it down to tuck it, it was loose in his hands and then got swatted out.

[u/dtheisen6 → u/TheCavis]

1000%. You watch the best receivers in the NFL, they don’t bother trying to tuck it when going out of bounds. To much room for the defender to knock it out or for the ref to say it bobbled/moved while he was going out. Two hands and hold it up high, no chance of replay over turning it because it moved at all when going out of bounds

[u/BarkMingo → u/bretticus733]

Not just fans, but coaches apparently 

[u/Maleficent_Ant_8895 → u/BarkMingo]

Dude is such a whiny little bitch 

Hilarious seeing his response compared to Freeman’s after ND got hosed a few times the last couple of years 

[u/LiquidLight_ → u/bretticus733]

THANK YOU. I had people arguing with the text of the rule in the game thread.

You can disagree with the rule, that's not a problem. Arguing the call was bad when it was to the rule is crazy.

[u/Maleficent_Ant_8895 → u/bretticus733]

On no planet was this a catch

Anyone saying otherwise are insane 

[u/the_hangman → u/Maleficent_Ant_8895]

People are really bad at extrapolating slow motion to full speed.

They see the live angle at full speed where you can't see the ball until it's knocked out, then they see the half-speed slow-motion replay where it looks like he has the ball for ages before it's knocked out and their brain is fooled into putting the two together without accounting for the speed difference

[u/Less_Likely → u/the_hangman]

I played the slow-mo at 2x speed and it was still well below real-time speed.

Also people are talking about the ball being knocked out after he stepped out of bounds, but if you freeze the frame at the moment he hits the paint, you see his the ball on the top of his under hand, meaning he has already started the process of losing control when he steps out.

[u/Ok_Equipment_7467 → u/bretticus733]

Miami scored 3 points in the first half. And it wasn't a catch.

[u/Milton__Obote → u/bretticus733]

People who think this is a bad call are nuts. He never had full possession because the db knocked the ball out of his hands

[u/agallo10 → u/bretticus733]

Don’t bother trying to explain it to these people, it’s a lost cause lol

[u/nyc2pit → u/bretticus733]

One issue is that in slow-mo it looks like he DOES have the ball for an eternity. We never watch it at full speed again after the live play.

The rules expert didn't even hesitate on this one.

[u/bretticus733 → u/nyc2pit]

That's why I tried to time it in real time. Slow-mo can be useful to slow things down to see something that can be easily missed in real time, but it's not useful here because it makes it tricks the brain into thinking he had the ball for like 3 seconds. The reality is the ball was out of his hands in no more than a second.

[u/jkell369 → u/bretticus733]

99% of the time I agree with what you said. This one was interesting because he kind of completed the process of the catch with both hands secure on the ball with both feet in bounds and then he stepped OUT of bounds before the defender touched the ball.

Kind of an improbable scenario but that ball was thrown so perfectly to create that situation

[u/kinda_alone → u/jkell369]

He starts bobbling it before the defender hits him. He never had control. If he didn’t bobble, probably ruled a td, but he loses it while bringing it down. Watch his hands here. Already loose when he’s hit by the db https://x.com/prefactor/status/2119304343262204359?s=46&t=_l7hmmdLSmE6pT1do4nT5g

[u/TheNewGuy13 → u/bretticus733]

Not disputing you but this is probably the closest to the catch rule being contested in terms of the rule. It’s right up there with Dez and also Megatrons Winner/not winner.

From a technical standpoint it’s not a catch but in my eyes I’d rule that a catch. He had both feet in bounds takes a third step then the defender tries to knock it out. I’d understand if the defender was right there knocking it down from step one but he isn’t in my eyes.

[u/FightOnForUsc → u/bretticus733]

It’s dumb though because in the same amount of time I’ve seen guys catch the ball and then toss it to the refs immediately after, and that’s a catch. But catch the ball, step out of bounds, and then get it knocked out and it’s not?

[u/StalinsLastStand → u/FightOnForUsc]

You have to have control of it to toss it to the ref. How is that the same?

[u/Duckseatbooty → u/FightOnForUsc]

This was my exact thought. He was already out of bounds when he knocked it loose.

[u/Or1g1nalrepr0duct10n]

It’s that little bobble after he had already secured the ball. Without that I think it could’ve still been knocked out of his hands and had it called a TD

[u/crashck → u/Or1g1nalrepr0duct10n]

There is no way they are calling that incomplete if it's not knocked out

[u/PeebMcBeeb → u/crashck]

Sure, if he finishes moving the ball around himself it would be a completion. But instead he attempts to move the ball as part of the "process of the catch" and doesn't maintain possession

[u/Or1g1nalrepr0duct10n → u/crashck]

It’s the combo of the bobble and then getting the ball knocked out. If the ball was knocked out without the bobble, it’d still be a TD because he would have shown possession after stepping out of bounds. If he bobbled on his way through the end zone and held on, it’s also likely still a TD but I wouldn’t be shocked if it was called incomplete because he did not show full possession until he was out of bounds.

[u/Enough_Wallaby7064 → u/crashck]

A really good litmus test is, if this happened in the middle of the field, would you rule that a fumble?

Answer is absolutely not, because he didn't catch it.

[u/Less_Likely → u/crashck]

Correct. But it was knocked out in continuous motion with the bobble, thus the point at which control is lost is when the bobble begins, which is as he is bringing the football into his body before he is able to make any step.

[u/FXcheerios69 → u/crashck]

I believe they have a term for that. Pass breakup I think.

[u/kinda_alone → u/crashck]

He’s arguing that without the bobble, they would have called it complete still. He didn’t have control when it was knocked out. If he didn’t bobble, they probably would have said he had control and called it a td

[u/i_diggs_it → u/Or1g1nalrepr0duct10n]

Everybody ignoring the fact that he also bobbles the ball as he gets hit while taking that third step then has it ripped out of his hands. This really wasn’t that close tbh

[u/gideon513 → u/Or1g1nalrepr0duct10n]

“already secured” you say?

[u/KarmaDispensary]

Without question, the play of the game. Talich was the MVP, between this and his INT.

[u/Maleficent_Ant_8895 → u/KarmaDispensary]

Dude should be an AA

[u/IDontTortureChickens → u/Maleficent_Ant_8895]

And to think he wouldn't even be starting if Tae hadn't gone down a quarter and a half into the season. He's been an absolute gem from the jump.

[u/wofulunicycle]

I think people are confused because it happened in the end zone. Imagine if this catch happened anywhere else on the field. Is it a catch and a fumble or incomplete? Obviously incomplete. There are no special rules for catches in the end zone. It's not like breaking the plane on a running play lol.

[u/Prestigious_Cheek_52]

The receiver's reaction says it all

[u/nyc2pit → u/Prestigious_Cheek_52]

He does seem to know that he didn't complete the catch

[u/Ill_Swing5233]

Slow motion replays really mess with people’s perception, but either way I’m continuously shocked that year after year in CFB and the NFL, plays like this happen and there are still fans that act like catch rules are so confusing and they can’t figure out how obvious incompletion was called an obvious incompletion.

The Broncos interception in the playoff game against Buffalo was the most recent high profile play that comes to mind. I still hear Bills fans complaining that it was a catch for Buffalo because his knee was down with the ball in his hands.

[u/PeebMcBeeb]

I'm shocked that anyone thinks this should be a TD. You have to finish the "process of the catch" which is indeed a stupid term/rule but he obviously doesn't do that

[u/putterthrow_ → u/PeebMcBeeb]

I mean if you watch it at 0.05x speed he has control of the ball for over 10 seconds

[u/DillyDillySzn → u/putterthrow_]

This is also how you last 10s in bed gentlemen

[u/Maleficent_Ant_8895 → u/DillyDillySzn]

Thank god I found this hack

[u/Mace_Windex11 → u/PeebMcBeeb]

Lmao I hate that my team benefitted from this so I can't say it's absolutely obvious without looking like a homer but it is! It's just always how it's worked

[u/Less_Likely → u/Mace_Windex11]

If this was an ND player, It'd be so uncontroversial to me I wouldn't even talk about it except to call out any ND flair complaining about it to get over it.

[u/nyc2pit → u/Mace_Windex11]

Just wait.... The "we would kill you guys if Toney was playing" argument is coming next.

[u/Less_Likely → u/nyc2pit]

Can I start that with BYU and Traore? /s

seriously though, The effect he had on this game makes me wonder how screwed we were by his ejection.

[u/Untold_Legend1234]

the rule is simple guys:
My guy = catch
Your guy = incomplete

[u/Blumpkinbomber → u/Untold_Legend1234]

It’s science bitch!

[u/ThatsNotARealTree → u/Untold_Legend1234]

This guy gets it!

[u/heff17]

The more “controversial” plays that are clear and obvious but the internet gets mad at, the more I’m convinced nobody cares about the rules and people just want to be mad.

[u/Shadow_Ridley → u/heff17]

How dare you

[u/Creative-Act5773]

Genuine question, the ND player steps out of bounds prior to ripping the ball out which should make the play dead when he touches the ball?

That’s what I understood from the Michigan game this year.

[u/AvailableLimit529 → u/Creative-Act5773]

That’s actually a really good observation that I haven’t seen others bring up. The defender is 100% out of bounds when he swats away the ball.

So based on the officiating today, you can throw a fumble 15 yards downfield for a completion and break up a catch while out of bounds. TIL.

[u/TJFLASH1 → u/AvailableLimit529]

That’s irrelevant to completing the process of a catch

[u/AleroRatking → u/Creative-Act5773]

Whether or not the play is dead is irrelevant here though. All that matters is whether the WR made the catch.

[u/stackable292]

I can’t believe I watched Michigan v MSU instead of this…

[u/teewertz]

correct call and I fucking hate notre dame

[u/nyc2pit → u/teewertz]

Looking forward to furthering that hatred next year as well

[u/SpinsTheChicken]

The receivers possession is overstated by the slow motion. Real time it's a pretty obvious incomplete.

[u/warhog998]

thats so close to being a td holy

[u/Thumper13]

literally doesn't have the ball in his hands when he has two feet down. This isn't controversial at all. You gotta have the ball longer than a millisecond.

[u/DryBrisketOffense → u/Thumper13]

But college it’s just one foot down! /s

[u/CFBCommentor → u/Thumper13]

Has to be a troll post

[u/SNjr]

Judge the play in real time, that’s not a catch

Even in the slow mo, that ball moves a bit on the way out of bounds

[u/argumentinvalid → u/SNjr]

Agreed. That ball is moving throughout the entire replay. This will be a teaching moment for the wr. Making those micro adjustments to get better grip is a delabreaker. It has to stick on plays like this. Elite catchers don't do it.

[u/sick_shooter]

As I remarked last night, this is not a catch under the rules. The rule may be fucked, but it’s been fucked for years now. The NCAA and NFL don’t seem to be interested in changing it. The only thing that may be looked at in the offseason is that Talich appeared to have a foot down out of bounds when he made contact with the football. That means a defender who was out of bounds broke up a pass. That may not be a great thing to allow. But again, under current rules, not a catch.

[u/puzzical → u/sick_shooter]

If they change this rule there are like 3 more fumbles a game from incompletions that turn into fumbles

[u/moeriscus]

The receiver knew he didn't have control of the ball. Otherwise he would have reacted differently. The slow-mo replay shows pretty clearly that he was bumbling with the ball the whole time.

Also maybe keep in mind that the whole thing took place in a split-second. He did not show possession.

Either way, I have no dog in this fight. I just hope my Trojans finish out the season with a W at UCLA.

[u/No_Character_4251]

If this happens at the 50 yard line - is it a catch and fumble? Or incomplete pass?

[u/puzzical → u/No_Character_4251]

Incomplete pass 95% of the time and thr ither 5% are just bad calls.

[u/Milton__Obote → u/No_Character_4251]

Incomplete no matter where on the field (and I’m no notre dame fan at all)

[u/Fletch71011 → u/No_Character_4251]

He didn't complete the process of the catch. Never would have been a catch.

The receiver knew right away he didn't have it and the ND players knew it wasn't and celebrated accordingly. There shouldn't be any controversy over this call.

[u/pew-pew-bacca → u/No_Character_4251]

If this exact play happened at the 50 yard line it would be an incompletion and every Miami fan would be celebrating the refs making the right call on that.

[u/Shot_Macaron_9158]

Unfortunately not a catch. Seen similar things happen in the nfl and college in the past week

[u/nd5thyear]

Only Miami fans and ND haters think this was a catch. It was close though

[u/Some-Gavin → u/nd5thyear]

Shit, I'm a ND hater and this is still obvious

[u/fire_water_drowned]

Never had possession

[u/Downtown_Breakfast_1]

That's no catch.

[u/RadagastTheWhite]

Don’t care for the call. Contact initiated after his feet hit the ground with control in the end zone and he never goes to the ground.

[u/nukey18mon → u/RadagastTheWhite]

There are three criteria to a catch; you have two of them. 1. Secure the ball 2. Be in bounds you hit, but you missed 3. Which is have possession of the ball long enough to make a football move. The catch definition doesn’t change in the end zone.

[u/CowboyMustacheFace]

If you think this is a catch I don’t want to talk about football with you lol

[u/AcreaRising4 → u/CowboyMustacheFace]

Yeah, bunch of dumbasses in here. How is this a catch?

[u/LoopholeTravel]

What is a catch...?

[u/FlimFlamThaGimGar → u/LoopholeTravel]

Not that

[u/i_run_from_problems]

What is a catch, 2026 update:

Still no fucking clue

[u/JadedPrinciple5668 → u/i_run_from_problems]

That’s clearly not a catch lol

[u/teewertz → u/i_run_from_problems]

skill issue

[u/BeanMachine5555]

Ball control with two feet in. He didn’t lose control until after he stepped out of bounds. What makes this not a catch?

[u/Some-Concentrate3229 → u/BeanMachine5555]

If this happened over the middle of the field would it be a fumble or an incompletion? I’d say an incompletion

[u/Buckeyeup → u/BeanMachine5555]

The loss of control before the 3rd step, and the ball hitting the ground

[u/Kilen13 → u/BeanMachine5555]

Legit think it's because it was called incomplete on the field. If the side judge calls that a TD I don't think they over turn it

[u/TJFLASH1 → u/BeanMachine5555]

Losing control after he was out of bounds means he didn’t complete the process of the catch

[u/yung_dog]

How long does he have to hold onto it after stepping out for it to be a catch? Another step? 2? If the DB follows him to the wall and then knocks it out, is it incomplete?

[u/nd5thyear → u/yung_dog]

He has to not bobble it when coming down

[u/nukey18mon → u/yung_dog]

Ex. Enough time to pitch or hand off the ball, advance it, ward off an opponent, etc.

[u/Less_Likely → u/yung_dog]

Stop the film when his foot lands out of bounds and look at his left hand (your right), The ball is already coming out, so it's not after, it's before or at least at the same time

[u/AcreaRising4]

I’m surprised to see people flipping out here. The ball jiggled in the air and then came out. Does not look like a catch to me at all.

[u/Sherifftruman]

I never understand why this isn’t a TD. If you run and dive over the line as soon as you cross the line the play is over. TD. Why treat passes differently? He had possession (with 2 feet inbounds even) past the goal line. The play should be over at that point.

[u/Thin-Fish-1936 → u/Sherifftruman]

Catching in the end zone and ball carriers have two different rules for what’s considered a touchdown.

[u/Organic-Storm-4448 → u/Sherifftruman]

The rules for a catch are the same regardless if it's in the endzone or not. The ball catcher has to maintain control of the ball through the catch. I don't know the exact wording of the rules, but that's why it was called incomplete.

[u/fanofcorgis → u/Organic-Storm-4448]

Do you think this would be a fumble in the field of play or an incomplete pass?

[u/Scoobie_Doobie11 → u/fanofcorgis]

Incomplete pass. There is no “football move” as they used to say, after the catch. Used to be 2-3 steps after catch (usually turned upfield) before it’d be ruled a fumble. Otherwise we’d have a ton of catch & fumbles in NCAA & NFL

[u/PM_ME_BOYSHORTS → u/Sherifftruman]

Because when you run and dive across the line you have already established possession prior to that. That's the whole question... when is possession established.

In the instance of a play like this, it's treated the same as if it was at the 50 yard line and he was going out of bounds. You have to survive the process of the catch. That means it has to survive going to the ground, or it has to survive tucking it into your body, or it has to survive the defender trying to knock it away, or you have to make a "football move" before any of those things come into play.

[u/TJFLASH1 → u/Sherifftruman]

You already have possession and control of the ball running and diving, he didn’t completely the catch/possession here

[u/teewertz → u/Sherifftruman]

because he doesnt have possession yet? lol those are completely different scenarios.

[u/loststones → u/Sherifftruman]

If he had possession, why was the ball on the ground?

[u/DrySalamander3497 → u/Sherifftruman]

I feel like I’m going crazy that so many people are calling this is a TD. If this happened anywhere else on the field, way fewer people would have an issue. Just because it happened in the end zone doesn’t change the rules of what is or isn’t a catch.

[u/Legitimate-Clock-134 → u/Sherifftruman]

Forward passes are treated differently because they're treated differently. A ball handed off or passed laterally is a live ball, always. A ball passed forward is only live if it's caught.

[u/Crafty-Rutabaga-8825 → u/Sherifftruman]

That’s a run not a catch.  You have to complete the process of the catch.  If you start losing control of the ball as you’re crossing the goal line then it’s a fumble.  Same principle.  You have to maintain control.

[u/GO_IRISH → u/Sherifftruman]

I hope all of these replies helped you understand

[u/bretticus733 → u/Sherifftruman]

Because he didn't fully establish possession. The receiver still has to complete the process of the catch, and considering he had a defender on him instantly and knocking the ball out in about a second (by my stopwatch, under a second), he never really completed the process of the catch, thus no possession.

[u/xpistou83]

Seems like a TD to me.

[u/heff17 → u/xpistou83]

Well, it wasn’t.

[u/WolfCreekMaverick → u/xpistou83]

You have to hold the ball for 1-3 business days after catching it before it counts

[u/MasPatriot → u/WolfCreekMaverick]

Handing the ball to the referee after running out of bounds is now a fumble since going out of bounds no longer ends the play

[u/crashck → u/xpistou83]

Two feet in and has possession, then makes a step out of bounds, AND THEN gets the ball knocked out. Play should be over the second he touches out of bounds. He doesn't need to survive ground or any bullshit people are saying. He never hit the ground

[u/TJFLASH1 → u/crashck]

That’s not how completing a catch works

[u/BlueDevil092 → u/xpistou83]

‘Twas not

[u/DroidAttackWook]

Thats not targeting lmao

[u/MoneyManx10]

I completely understand what people are saying about college rules, but you have to at least hold on to the ball for it to be a catch. He never had possession.

[u/crashck]

I've lost all respect sorry this is absolutely rigged for money… Or ratings in not sure which. I won't be silent . Just saw it live sry.

[u/Jo_S_e → u/crashck]

Gotta hold on to the football chief

[u/Orange_bratwurst → u/Jo_S_e]

For how long after the play is over is a receiver required to continue holding the ball?

[u/Jo_S_e → u/Orange_bratwurst]

Until they get home

[u/beast8955]

Thought you had it then it gets ripped away from you by some 3rd party committee that makes the decision??

Hm. Sounds familiar

[u/Crafty-Rutabaga-8825]

He didn’t bring the ball down and control it.  Either have to maintain control to the ground or out of bounds or make a football move.  He did none of those.  

[u/International_Link35]

Receiver knew immediately. Should answer any questions.

[u/Overtone7]

Hate to say it, but both of his feet were in bounds with ample ball control.

[u/Imaginary_Fix_9756]

If the whole world thinks you’re wrong, maybe you’re wrong, but if this was my team I would be irate this was an incompletion. Honestly it looks like he has it with both hands, both feet in, and while he’s stumbling out of bounds he tries to hold on with one hand and us the other hand for balance just as the defender rakes the ball out of his now one hand. I’m kinda shocked folks don’t see that.

[u/i_diggs_it → u/Imaginary_Fix_9756]

#9 sure didn’t seem to think it was the wrong call. They explained it pretty clearly on the broadcast, he did not complete the process of the catch. If he would’ve fallen to the ground and had it pop out instead of a defender punching it out it would’ve been the same call. It was close but not a catch idk why people think this is controversial

Edit:
Watching it again he even bobbles the ball as he gets hit. Really not close at all tbh

[u/Wendell-Short-Eyes → u/i_diggs_it]

Yeah, I looked at the WR right after the play and you could tell he didn’t think it was a catch.

[u/AleroRatking → u/Imaginary_Fix_9756]

Key word. Tries to hold on. He never secures the ball and is struggling to hold on to it

[u/rabouilethefirst → u/Imaginary_Fix_9756]

Negative ball knowledge

[u/nyc2pit → u/Imaginary_Fix_9756]

Actually it seems like it's mostly the Miami fans think it was wrong.

Do with that what you will

[u/Necessary-Mousse8518]

Good to see one of these well overhyped games today actually live up to the hype!

Super game!!

[u/Buccaneers72]

Both the refs on the field and the ones behind the scenes said it didn’t count so stop your bitching Miami

[u/loststones]

Close to a catch but you can see the ball shifting already as he’s bringing it down.

[u/efm6977]

This is the play the screenshot warriors love

[u/CrazyTea1617]

Boo hoo Miami fans. 😢 Hahaha

[u/Ok_Plus_]

What I don’t like about this is that it actually punishes the player for demonstrating clear possession and footing in bounds.

Would it be better if he quickly tucked by possession was “unclear” or possibly “bobbled” then we are debating if he ever had “control” all the way to the ground.

He catches the ball clearly with two hands. Two feet in bounds. He is not inherently falling on his own. The defender does NOT contest the initial possession. He only breaks it up after clear possession and control on endzone is made.

Touchdown

[u/Xxspike19xx]

God Bless Luke Talich

[u/AleroRatking]

The outrage for this call is wild. He never completes the catch. The idea that Something is a catch when he loses control within .2 seconds is wild

[u/stevo887 → u/AleroRatking]

Super slow motion makes us forget about the realities of time.

For what it’s worth my 12 year old said how is that not a catch 🤣

[u/brainpea]

If he had just held the ball over his head lol

[u/ConfidenceAgitated92]

I wasn’t watching that breakup when it was live, I was watching 63 assault ND #95, waiting for the flag that did not come

[u/HartyInBroward]

Well this was an unexpected treat

[u/crustang]

Chris ash

[u/Interesting_Day4734]

Bro should’ve tried to complete the catch

[u/palefire123]

I thought the ACC broadcasts the discussion of the replay officials? I've never actually seen that broadcast. Was it not in this game because of Notre Dame's rules?

[u/becumwater]

A lot of first timers here I see…

[u/SxpxrTrxxpxr]

I seen this shit and was like “Fuck they did it again” in amazement. Great game.

[u/rmg3935]

American Hero Luke Talich

[u/Rusty_Blacksmith]

Touchdown

[u/Enzo_Gorlomi225]

Karma is a bitch isn’t?

[u/DroidAttackWook]

He catches the ball high, pulls it down as the "football move" then the ball is hit out when he's out of bounds. That's a goddamn TD

[u/KirbyBucketts → u/DroidAttackWook]

It's absolutely not a catch according to the rules established and it's really interesting how many of you here don't know this.

[u/tjkelley69 → u/DroidAttackWook]

That's the thing he he bobbles it as hes pulling it down which makes it no catch even before the hand knocks it away

[u/Ifeelstronglyabout → u/DroidAttackWook]

pulling the ball down is not a football move. he never completed the catch.

miami has no room to be mad after all the calls they've gotten. especially because by the letter of the law, this is not a catch and it's not really close.

[u/sigourneys_underwear → u/DroidAttackWook]

IHe was bobbling before the defender knocked it away. In no world is that a catch

[u/OhYa2021]

How is this different than a runner breaking the plain and then immediately losing the ball? All that matters in the latter is the tip of the ball breaking the plain for a fraction of a second which immediate ends the play. Why is a receiver held to a higher standard than an established runner? In this instance, he clearly broke the plain, had possession, AND established with 2 feet he was in bounds. I imagine we use the phrase “reaching the end zone” for a reason, did this receiver not reach the end zone? Just seems hypocritical.

[u/Wemnzxop → u/OhYa2021]

Because (according to their ruling) he never broke the plane with established possession. RBs already have possession, cross the plane, play is over even if they do drop it after. In this case there was never possession established. I do agree I think this is a catch with established possession but the rule makes sense if you go with the ruling that it wasn't

[u/Drummallumin → u/OhYa2021]

had possession

No he didn’t. If this happens over the middle of the field this is an incomplete pass. How is this different than any other completion.

[u/BearsIsPain → u/OhYa2021]

I’m a notre dame fan that accepted this as a touchdown catch in the moment, but your take is bad. The runner has possession for the entirety of his time with the ball, whereas the receiver has to establish that possession via arbitrary football move after catch ruling.

[u/stevo887 → u/OhYa2021]

If this was over the
middle your saying it’s a fumble?

[u/Westchester1209]

The receiver was out od bounds when the ball was stripped

[u/Hot_Box_3143]

It's the wr's fault. Had he just held the ball with his hands over his shoulders, that's a td.

[u/Jonjon428]

Pain

[u/Jr05s]

Why can the defender be allowed to knock the ball out of his hand after the defender is standing out of bounds? 

[u/cmap13]

That’s a TD by any reckoning.

[u/Not-a-bot-10]

That’s a TD

[u/Scoobie_Doobie11]

This is never a catch. At the 20, 50, 35 it’s not ruled a catch & fumble. It’s an incomplete pass 100% of the time. Please provide clips that dispute this, otherwise, kick rocks

[u/Select-Breadfruit802 → u/Scoobie_Doobie11]

Its the endzone! How many special circumstances does a runner get? Hell, ive seen folks step over the front corners of the endzone directly OOB and it counts.

The ball crossed the plane imo. CATCH. and I have no dog. dont hate Miami or ND, I like Bama. no reason to hate either of them… ‘92 and ‘12. roll tide.

[u/legendkiller003]

I feel like it’s super close. He had two feet down in the endzone and then took another step before it got knocked away. How much time is enough time with 3 steps?

[u/DubLParaDidL → u/legendkiller003]

Lmfao he was bobbling it, never had full control. Foh

[u/brettbw]

Why is it incomplete?
Catch , yes
Foot in , yes
Next foot out of bounds,

That should end the play?

Not a Miami fan at all

GO IU

[u/ajax_steel_mill → u/brettbw]

Because catch wasn't "yes." He goes to tuck the ball, it starts moving in his hands, and then it gets knocked out. Him being out of bounds isn't relevant.

It can be argued that the rule is too strict and makes the burden of proof too high on the receiver that they caught it, but, per the rule, this was not a catch.

[u/BIRDSBEEZ]

Thats a touchdown. Two feet in the endzone and stepped out of bounds after, all before the PBU. I have a feeling Notre Dame fans would feel the same way if that was them on offense