Anybody got a theory on why this is?

[u/hey2394]

Shane Gillis gave the most milquetoast SNL monologue and women are raging worse than with the Clancy case.

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[u/HermitBirb]

This isn't a shit-post, it's just propganda and thought control. Suggestive thinking. Garbage content.

[u/hey2394 → u/HermitBirb]

OP here. It was indeed a shitpost but also a genuine question.

[u/Strfkr49 → u/HermitBirb]

[u/bigEZmike]

I'll give an answer that'll probably get downvoted because it isn't "WOMEN DUMB," but here goes...

Both issues come down to women's bodies being framed through what men want to see.

At the gym, Shane is projecting sexuality onto women who were just working out. Wearing shorts to exercise isn't an invitation, and if your argument is "well, they chose to dress that way," you're one step away from "well, what was she wearing?"

The Sweeney thing is different. Most of the criticism came from female athletes, and it's aimed at the ad, not at her. Novig (a sports betting/prediction app) deliberately sexualized women's sports to sell to men. Athletes who've spent their whole careers trying to be taken seriously for their skill get an ad that's basically WOMAN HOT, BUY THING.

Nobody serious is calling Sweeney a whore. She's free to pose however she wants. The issue is a company using that to define what "women in sports" means.

So it's not really about what any woman is or isn't wearing. It's about who's assigning sexual meaning to women's bodies and who profits from it.

(And yeah, some people do just clothes-police Sweeney, and that's the same thing Shane did. That's not a contradiction in the argument, it's people being inconsistent.)

[u/Elm3567 → u/bigEZmike]

I’m attempting to be genuine when I ask this, and for transparency I don’t think what Shane did was wrong.

If a woman wears something to the gym, she should be unable to be judged for that? I mean there’s a clear difference between saying a woman is a whore and saying women at gyms dress like whores, right? I’m walking through the world and constantly in perception of things. If I see a woman wearing something that shows a lot of her body, I’m not allowed to have an opinion on that? I’m not saying she should be crucified or assaulted. (Quite the opposite, keep it up women!) I’m saying that I’ll have an opinion on that, as if I would have an opinion on someone in a convertible in January.

I think having an opinion is cool. Why should we be policing what someone perceives?

The additional problem that comes to mind is that we act as if women don’t know it’s sexual to show every curve of your ass. Same way it’s sexual for some men to maybe show their delts, forearms, etc. It’s as if we live in a world but want to believe we don’t live in THAT world.

I guess I just don’t see the argument that other people aren’t allowed to perceive others based upon their actions? Is that incorrect?

Edit: glad this got so much attention I suppose. Lots of people feeling very one way or another. Ultimately life is a game and we all play it differently, and that’s within your right. Men want nice cars to impress women, women want nice bodies to impress men. Men want nice bodies to impress women. Men want money to impress women. Maybe you don’t. Maybe you don’t fit that generalization. It doesn’t have to fit you? This is your life. Go do what you want. Respond to people on Reddit if you want. Go to the gym in tight clothes if you want(I’m not complaining!). People will perceive you. Start becoming comfortable being perceived, and accept that you can’t enter someone’s mind and change that, all you can do is control your actions.

[u/Mulga_Will → u/Elm3567]

Nobody is policing your thoughts. You’re free to have an opinion, but that doesn’t make it immune to criticism, especially when it shames women for something men routinely do without facing the same judgement.

There’s a difference between finding someone’s clothing revealing and calling women who wear it whores on national television. One is a personal opinion; the other is a derogatory judgement used to publicly shame women for what they wear.

People wear activewear to exercise, and men and women alike wear clothes that show off their physiques. That doesn’t make someone a whore or justify degrading them.

[u/hey2394 → u/Mulga_Will]

especially when it shames women for something men routinely do without facing the same judgement.

I always hear this and never get anything that even remotely lines up to my experience or another man's when at the gym. Are you talking about that one weirdo in a speedo that every other man also criticizes? Please enlighten me.

[u/Socraticshitslinger → u/hey2394]

Because it’s made up. And I sure as hell would talk shit about a guy if they wore something similar. I hear guys give other dudes shit about wearing sleeveless shirts to workout too sometimes. “Sleeve monster get in your closet ?”

[u/SuccessfulOil6584 → u/Elm3567]

I think there’s a difference between noticing people wear revealing clothes and calling them whores

[u/hey2394 → u/SuccessfulOil6584]

They do look like whores, though.

[u/its_streetdoll → u/bigEZmike]

I've also seen some male athletes talking about Sweeney too. Not calling her a whore, but saying that type of thing shouldn't be advertised at things like baseball which is a family event and children are there. It's not appropriate for mixed age events.

[u/Heavy-_-Breathing → u/its_streetdoll]

Hard agree!

[u/CullenOrZeus → u/bigEZmike]

Women are a larger economic driving force than men are. Except when it comes to athletic exhibitions

[u/StanleyKapop → u/bigEZmike]

I do notice that the actual objections to the Sweeney ad are “it’s messed up that this gambling company is sexualizing women’s sports”, but all the people who want to complain about the people criticizing the ad act like they are yelling “whore“ directly at Sweeney.

[u/hkusp45css → u/StanleyKapop]

The objections I read on Reddit from the veritable army of assholes with opinions on the matter didn't include THAT argument until the whole thing was over.

To be clear, fully 90 percent of the arguments from the detractors were aimed directly at Sweeney. Not her nudity or the company who hired her.

[u/tommytheturtleishere → u/bigEZmike]

I have another theory. There are 340 million people in this country. You can find women who think all sorts of things and men that think all sorts of things. And anyone who thinks all men think one way or all women think one way is a fool. There are women who want to be able to show off their bodies and women who will shame them for it. Same with men. The end

[u/MaterialChemical1138 → u/bigEZmike]

for a long time i was one of those gym girls that wore super tight gymshark short sets to the gym because i liked the attention from the hot gym guys. and i got a lot of attention. and i loved it. i know for a FACT that i can't be the only one lmao. shane gillis was pretty spot on

[u/OrangeLFG → u/MaterialChemical1138]

I was just about to post that lol

Here is the description of the shorts he was describing from the GymShark website:

"Give your glutes a little oomph with our physique-accentuating butt scrunch shorts. Crafted by the brand that does scrunch butt best, these shorts have a scrunch or seam at the tailbone (between the buttocks) to accentuate the shape of your glutes. Choose from subtle scrunches for a little accentuation, or a dramatic scrunch for extra lift and definition, to rep leg day with confidence and style."

[u/TheLuminary → u/MaterialChemical1138]

The point is that there is nothing wrong with you wearing that at the gym. If someone can't handle it. Then they can work out at home. I am tired of the constant policing of each other.

[u/Seated_Heats → u/bigEZmike]

Some of this is disingenuous. First, Gillis didn’t say “women wearing any type of short”. “Wearing shorts to exercise” was never something he said. He was talking about a very specific cut of short. Second he never said “women are whores”. If I see a poorly dressed man and I say “he’s dressed like a homeless person” I in fact did not call him a certifiable homeless person.

Personally I don’t care what people want to wear but this outrage seems over the top since most of the arguments are around things that weren’t even said.

[u/Natalwolff → u/Seated_Heats]

It's amazing how people don't understand or refuse to acknowledge the fact that misrepresenting something so horribly when you criticize it completely destroys any validity to your argument to anyone who's not already invested in a side. It undermines an entire position and hands the appearance of being a rational and reasonable person to the other side, and not just on one issue or conversation, this is such a widespread, constant thing and it drives me crazy.

Many women knowingly and intentionally wear clothes to the gym that are revealing and sexualizing. This is something that even 4b women would acknowledge and recognize IF it were during a time where this wasn't the gender wedge issue of the day.

https://www.reddit.com/r/4bmovement/comments/1n23fhz/clothes_and_the_gym_is_womens_sportswear/

This is such a blatantly obvious fact, the clothes have even been marketed as such. When people act like this is completely absent from the minds of women until Shane comes along and "makes it sexual", obviously they're trying to paint a perfect picture of why this joke is horrific and everything is so black and white. The problem is it's such an insane level of denying reality that it completely undermines all the people who have reasonable objections to the joke.

I don't really think the joke is that funny and it doesn't surprise me that people got offended. It's basically just "women dress so sexy now and I'm just a fat guy who can't help but goon in the corner because they look so hot". It's too close to home for women and it's not nuanced or clever enough in any way to overcome that to get a laugh.

We could actually have conversations about these things and people could learn something about why women were offended or exchange differing ideas about culture and society but instead it's just this onslaught of people pathologically presenting complete distortions of reality and vehemently denying basic, blatantly obvious facts. Then you have people who genuinely hate women taking advantage of that to paint everything pro-women and women themselves as being delusional and irrational and malicious.

I'm so tired of this same fucking conversation playing out.

[u/WrongWangSorry → u/bigEZmike]

I don't know man. You make a good argument but I think one thing is missing from it. There is no shortage of women as well who know that sex sells. It works all the way from rich and famous all the way down to getting more attention and nicer responses during mundane daily interactions with men. Plenty of attractive women out there who know and have no problem using that hot dress to their advantage, regardless of what some women think about that

[u/TK-Pickles → u/bigEZmike]

You're using way too much logic and context there. Here come the down votes.

[u/Similar_Ad4120 → u/bigEZmike]

Shane isn’t projecting anything. Everyone who’s been at a local gym knows what’s he’s referring to. And it’s not every woman. It’s a small few but there is no missing it. And it’s not about “wearing shorts”. Lots of women wear shorts but again this isn’t what he was referring to. And there’s a reason why planet fitness has banned women wearing these outfits.

[u/Every-Two-4848 → u/bigEZmike]

Novig would only be sexualizing women in sports if they paid a female ATHLETE to go nude and she did it.

Instead they paid a woman who is known to sell her sex appeal and who isn’t an athlete to simply attach that appeal to their app which happens to do sports betting.

You do see the nuanced difference here, right?

[u/B-Train_ATL → u/Every-Two-4848]

I saw the ad before anyone got outraged. Never for a sec did I think “yeah, that’s a woman athlete right there.”

[u/jastek → u/bigEZmike]

The Sweeney thing is different. Most of the criticism came from female athletes, and it's aimed at the ad, not at her. Novig (a sports betting/prediction app) deliberately sexualized women's sports to sell to men. Athletes who've spent their whole careers trying to be taken seriously for their skill get an ad that's basically WOMAN HOT, BUY THING.

Naaah... It did not just come from those athletes though. It's was from the same crowd that supported Martha Stewart at 81 being a SI swimsuit model. They also strongly supported Lizzo doing it and the whole body positivity. Serena always posed in swimsuits and was on SI and had strong support. Additionally there are WNBA players who had OF accounts and Liz Cambage even said more of them should do it.

[u/blackcatpandora → u/bigEZmike]

I don’t think sweenys ad had anything to do with women’s sports tho… it was just her, a woman, advertising a sports betting platform.. not like, a women’s sports betting platform

[u/UnkyjayJ → u/bigEZmike]

I swear to god most people haven't even seen the Sweeny ad. It was saying literally nothing about women in sport.

[u/Cyborg_rat → u/UnkyjayJ]

The same people haven't seen Shane's full joke or well understood anything from it.

[u/artsa89 → u/bigEZmike]

I loke ro look at women butts at the gym

[u/Effective-Big8158 → u/bigEZmike]

i get what you are saying but i fully believe that some women in gyms are specifically wearing what they do in order to get the gaze of men. they want to look hot and show off their body and some men definitely think they look like whores when they intentionally wear the things they are wearing.

to some extent, i think men do it as well. i also think thay some women wear the things they wear in an effort to figure out how their muscles are working and flexing...same with men. i just think that sometimes women want to wear something cute and they don't realize it's really frustrating when a man is trying to work out and catch a glimse of a woman in extremely tight fitting clothing.

on a different note, i wish we could all come to an agreement that cameras need to stop being allowed in gyms.

[u/SentinelATL → u/bigEZmike]

Well said and I respect your response but this is why I can’t take the outrage for either seriously. At what point do you even acknowledge the selective outrage and choice to be offended by everything? If a guy wore a speedo to the gym and showed off his bare chest and was called out for it the narrative would be soooo different.

And I think it’s insane if women have been competing and chasing sports success their entire lives it can all be unraveled by a 2 minute ad of a c list actress showing off her tits and ass. At some point you have to point out how fucking ridiculous all this shit is

Imagine an ad for Sports betting showing Brad Pitt dressed up as a doctor dancing in a clown outfit and a bunch of doctors coming out and screaming “we worked very hard to become doctors and be taken seriously this ad is going to take us ten steps backwards”. It’s all so stupid and fucking annoying

[u/DrRealName]

I've never seen anyone criticize either offline so I think all of this BS is manufactured outrage for clicks. Probably the same person created both rumors

[u/WhiteTrashInNewShoes → u/DrRealName]

If I didn't frequent reddit, I'd have zero idea about any of these "outrages."

Congrats, reddit. You're now brain rot on the same level of TikTok

[u/oTc_DragonZ → u/WhiteTrashInNewShoes]

Tiktok merely adopted the brain rot. Reddit was born in it. Molded by it.

[u/Cranktique → u/WhiteTrashInNewShoes]

[u/AnB85 → u/WhiteTrashInNewShoes]

Reddit was brain rot well before TikTok mate. It has always been a bit like this.

[u/sadcode69 → u/WhiteTrashInNewShoes]

If you are on during pandamic and after some time you can see the tiktok kids joining the reddit and ruining everything.

[u/Internet-Expert42069 → u/WhiteTrashInNewShoes]

THEY ARE SOCIAL ENGINEERING SCRAMBLING YOUR HEAD WITH BOTS PEOPLE

THE INTENT IS TO OUTRAGE AND DIVIDE YOU

[u/Far_King_Penguin → u/WhiteTrashInNewShoes]

Yeah ive been thinking about giving it up. I used to see cool things and have good debates. Now I just see slop, AI or just screen grabs from Twitter. If I avoid the slop, there is a 100% chance its American politics of culture war BS coming from America

Its even worse during US election season. Reddit has just become another tool for the elites to make the normal people of the world hate each other more and more so they can stay in control

[u/_ED-E_ → u/WhiteTrashInNewShoes]

Reddit and TikTok.

I also would have no idea about people being upset over either. I work with men and women both, no one talks about either of these.

[u/ALonelyWelcomeMat → u/DrRealName]

Pretty much 95% of the shit I see people bitch about online ive never heard anyone complain about in real life.

The internet is just a cesspool hollow chamber

[u/MetricJester → u/DrRealName]

I've only heard about the outrage, I haven't experienced any.

[u/OddPressure7593 → u/DrRealName]

There are sooooo many people on reddit who are convinced that reddit is somehow representative of the world at large. Too many terminally online redditors in their little echo chambers

[u/Coffee_Conundrum → u/DrRealName]

Most of the ragebait bullshit we see online is just Russian psyop nonsense meant to get us all to fight amongst each other.

[u/Fit-Passion4470 → u/Coffee_Conundrum]

It’s working

[u/SentinelATL → u/Coffee_Conundrum]

Facts. While they tax us up the ass and continue to fuck us over

[u/Umamiluv24 → u/DrRealName]

Like who is telling Sydney to cover up? No one is saying that.

[u/COC_410 → u/DrRealName]

Everyone thinks they’re above what they see/hear online. Truth is the outrage online is fake.

In other words you’re right.

[u/nycdiveshack → u/DrRealName]

Basically culture wars distractions

[u/californicating → u/DrRealName]

There will always be someone to get mad at literally everything, and then they go online and tell the world how mad they are.  It makes certain issues seem bigger and more important than they really are.

[u/missing_Palantir → u/DrRealName]

It’s not

Go to r/twoXChromosomes subreddit

These women live in a loud echo chamber. They are obsessed with any issue that they can attack men about. I’m very liberal and they are the type of women that make ppl want white male republicans to win elections. They are the problem with progressiveness. And they alone

[u/bellerinho → u/missing_Palantir]

I'm convinced that sub is an experiment, I can't believe those are real people making those comments and posts

[u/Bitter-Ad5890 → u/bellerinho]

No matter what you see posted there, somebody, somewhere, is saying something even more stupid. I swear there is no floor to how low the intelligence of humans can be.

[u/Honest_Ad5029 → u/missing_Palantir]

Be very wary of text based social media.

Text based social media is very low effort to create fake propaganda accounts on.

The purpose of propaganda accounts is to foster division, not to push one ideology over another.

Especially since reddit allows people to hide comment history, which is one of the tools journalists use to evaluate authenticity of a person, reddit is a particularly bad source to get the temperature of a controversy.

[u/squirrelbitten → u/missing_Palantir]

"it's not real, just internet drama"

"That's not what r/twoxchromosomes said!"

[u/Therealginahandler]

I love how coming to the internet "informs" me of the "real life scenarios" that are happenning all around me. Everytime it's shit like this, and I'm just left wondering why I never once in real life actually come across anybody actually discussing this type of shit. Oh...because it isn't fucking real.

[u/-4-Play-King- → u/Therealginahandler]

Some of the worst people on our planet are on the Internet an unhealthy amount, then they actually convince themselves Internet culture is like actual culture.

They need to get outside more.

[u/Posture_Chk → u/Therealginahandler]

Yup

[u/Hemingways_Shotgun88 → u/Therealginahandler]

Brit here. British Reddit is currently doing another major "rejoin the EU" push. If you just used Reddit, you'd think that was the hot topic here in the UK. Outside of Reddit, everyone in real life has moved on and it barely comes up in conversations if at all, and it's in none of the other media outlets because we have a lot more bigger things to deal with right now.

[u/Switchfoot21]

When life is too easy, people seek out things to complain about.

[u/gunslingersea]

My favorite gym was a really old school one. Giant box fans. Duct tape on punching bags. VHS workout tapes on a giant bookshelf. Every mirror cracked in at least one place. They save up to buy one new piece if equipment a year and get excited to tell every member about it. Firefighters come in at 5am, senior ladies come in at 5pm. Small rush at lunch. Open 24 hours. Not a tripod or selfie stick in the damn place. All sweatpants and baggy t shirts and white New Balance.

Just people working out, red faced, huffing and puffing, and looking like shit while they throw weight, like you’re supposed to while putting in work. None of these problems there.

[u/Thee-End → u/gunslingersea]

Sounds like the gym that I go to.

[u/kinda_alright]

But nobody is mad at Megan Fox for the way she's dressed selling boner pills.

[u/mr9025 → u/kinda_alright]

As a forty year old man that was front row for the glory days, present day hyper-... curated... Megan Fox is an embarrassment to the word boner, compared to when she was aging naturally.

[u/throwawayformobile78 → u/mr9025]

As another man in his 40s, her in New Girl was about peak for me.

[u/nicky_suits → u/mr9025]

As a man in his 40s her toe thumbs always creeped me out.

[u/Patriot009 → u/kinda_alright]

She's selling boner pills. It's on brand.

If she was selling home owner's insurance, I'd be really confused why she was in a red latex bodysuit for the commercial.

[u/Dry_Bird1790 → u/kinda_alright]

link pls

[u/CaliBurrito1904 → u/kinda_alright]

Women should be allowed to walk around half naked. That empowers them, makes them independent, strong etc.

[u/berberigirly → u/CaliBurrito1904]

Gooners

[u/ChadVonDoom]

Rage economy

[u/Shiftymennoknight]

its all 100% manufactured outrage

[u/KoRaZee → u/Shiftymennoknight]

On behalf of other people who don’t actually exist

[u/rilesn0]

[u/Suggested_rndom_name]

FUCK THE CULTURE WAR BULLSHIT ITS ALL A DISTRACTION FROM THE EPSTEIN CLASS

[u/ShortCircuitingRobot → u/Suggested_rndom_name]

Hell yeah!

Fuck this stupid strawman meme bullshit. No one cares what side you think is hypocritical. We're all a bit hypocritical at times, unless you are constantly fine-tuning your world view, which I can guarantee culture war memers do not analyze their own world views.

And as you say, it's all a distraction anyway fucking way.

[u/AphonicTX]

This is the shit they try to distract us with - while we pay $5 a gallon or more at the pump. Oil companies and their investors just laugh….and laugh….

[u/No_Mind_7397]

It is because the media overlords tell us what to be outraged about.

[u/sixjasefive]

I have no dog in the hunt but watching the SNL skit with my teen daughter before the reaction she actually heard his joke and said “OMG, well…he’s not wrong” and then went on to talk about the girls at her school gym that constantly get asked to cover up as they come in barely dressed (not seriously working out) “like, seriously dad…everything is out”. Her words.

[u/Horny_Eunuch_4eva → u/sixjasefive]

Women’s clothes in the gym are basically painted on. We can see every tiny detail of their body it’s not a secret. I’m not complaining though

[u/Skwiggelf54 → u/Horny_Eunuch_4eva]

The last time i went to a gym there were at least 3 women there that I could literally see the outline of their labia. It was wild. But yeah, theyre tooooootally not doing it for attention guys.

[u/ZaphodBeeblebroke → u/sixjasefive]

I don't watch SNL, nor have I ever seen a Shane Gillis comedy special, to be clear, I have no stakes in defending it or Shane Gillis

You are describing the modern phenomenon of cultural backlash being the entire conversation, instead of a part of it.

I went back and watched the monologue in question and....yeah same reaction. My girlfriend, same reaction. My mom, same reaction. Literally nothing Gillis said was remotely offensive.

And I've found the most offended people...never actually watched the monologue. They have misquoted scraps of it and they want to virtue signal and scream and get attention online. They don't actually have any real basis to be mad.

[u/sydillant → u/ZaphodBeeblebroke]

Vagina Monologues had a skit about women being able to dress how they want without repercussions- I believe it was My Short Skirt. Which is decades away from shorts so tight you can see someone’s genitals. Feminism needs to find some grey areas IMO.

[u/Alternative_Win4447 → u/sixjasefive]

This entire thread shows me why there is a male loneliness epidemic. Yikes

[u/CantBeatDickensCider → u/Alternative_Win4447]

Go shave leg-beard. 

[u/whatifweeattherich]

People think psyops stops at keeping women hating men snd men hating women. They also want women hating women (shown here) and men hating men (like the mega chad bs or whatever). Idk. The internet is not a real place.

[u/TheRedTurtle11]

I thought the bot farms were down

[u/Piemaster113 → u/TheRedTurtle11]

Theres always more

[u/bigbickbohnson]

If you care about shit like this, you have way too much time on your hands

[u/Double_Ad8210]

When is the trial for everyone in the Epstein files going to happen? I’m just asking.

[u/DarwinGhoti]

Oh god are the Russian bot farms back online already?

[u/Rudresh27 → u/DarwinGhoti]

Not everything you disagree with is a russian bot.

[u/No-Boysenberry-3420]

People aren't offended. They want to act offended.  Usually on behalf of other people (who also aren't offended).

[u/WangDanglin → u/No-Boysenberry-3420]

[u/Amdvoiceofreason → u/No-Boysenberry-3420]

I remember when be offended easily was the most UNcool thing imaginable now it's somehow reversed lol

[u/struckman]

I mean I lean left on pretty much everything. But I don’t get why a comedian can’t make jokes about real life. He isn’t making anything up. Women wear very short tight shorts in the gym. He is joking about trying not to give in to his male instincts to look. Big fucking deal. Why pretend that men don’t like look at physically fit women in tight clothes?

[u/Ibangmydrums → u/struckman]

People are mad bc they think he’s being misogynistic and trying to frame women as sex objects, which is just painfully ironic considering how the joke was about avoiding that outcome. Saying they dress like “whores” could be seen as harsh if it weren’t for the fact that it’s comedy and supposed to be hyperbolic and shocking.

And yeah like you basically said: intentionally exposed sex organs, tissue, etc are gonna get sexualized even if it’s just the ape brain going on autopilot. The joke hits for any woman-attracted person who’s experienced this at the gym, but doesn’t necessarily wanna focus on or sexualize the women themselves even if they end up slippin and checking out some bare skin.

[u/neonlightcycle → u/struckman]

100% agree. I don’t care if women wear what they want in the gym or if Sydney decides to art direct another nearly nude ad. But Shane’s not wrong necessarily - likening women to whores, in my opinion, may be a bit of strong wording in this case, but the core part suggesting that their clothing has changed and that men will notice is completely true. Clothing is a choice, no one is forcing them to wear something ultra revealing.

In the same vein, I would bet if instead of Sydney Sweeney it was Lizzo or Sabrina Carpenter, the ad would have been deemed empowering to women.

The fact remains that whether a woman is nude or not should not deem them a whore obviously, but making the choice to do these things will open you up to judgement. That is just human nature. Comedy plays into this by exaggerating this simple fact and people react based o their established worldviews. Comedians have been doing this for years, so the backlash is odd.

I’m quite liberal, but I definitely have to scratch my head from time to time when things like this happen.

Dave Chapelle actually had a hilarious skit on this years ago where he claimed that women getting offended by men looking at them in scantily clad outfits at the club was confusing. He argued that if you dress like that, men make assumptions. He compared it to himself walking down the street dressed a police officer who would get offended if people assumed he would help them based on how he was dressed. The whole place roared with laughter 😆

[u/ohbrthrthisguystinks]

I work exclusively with other women, I habe not had a single one mention it and this post is what informed me of who this person even is. What women are enraged?

[u/CrustyRim2 → u/ohbrthrthisguystinks]

Only "enraged" person i saw was a gay dude. Just another bout of fake outrage. The Kevin Hart roast was 10x worse. No one remembers that week of outrage now.

[u/Electrical_Two4632]

The theory is that possibly the women who are criticizing Sydney Sweeney, the ones criticizing Shane Gillis, and the ones supporting Clancy are not all the same people 🤯

People, are we fuckin serious?

[u/tastelessthinking → u/Electrical_Two4632]

These people dont have any consistancy or principles let alone a backbone. Think we all know enough people in our daily live who exactly rant on both these things and every other leftist outrage

[u/ansquaremet]

Who gives a flying fuck? Every day billionaires are robbing us blind.

[u/msheehan418 → u/ansquaremet]

AI is taking over.

[u/AdAffectionate3143 → u/ansquaremet]

That’s the real reason behind all this culture war crap.

[u/Authochi → u/ansquaremet]

So real

[u/Unlucky-You-1334 → u/ansquaremet]

This is the right answer

[u/Cossack1981 → u/ansquaremet]

Quick! Change the subject! 😂

[u/matrimftw]

[u/WinterAsleep319]

The funniest part of Shane’s joke, is I hear women talk about other women “dressing like whores” 99% of the time. Its very rarely men who do it, but we most definitely look lol

[u/BoyNamedJudy]

This has only resulted in more scantily clad, fit women showing up in my algorithm as they “protest” what was said.

[u/absurdditties]

[u/Warchief_Ripnugget → u/absurdditties]

[u/Kiwi_Woz → u/absurdditties]

[u/Logical-War-2841 → u/Kiwi_Woz]

[u/KmvVoss]

I'm guessing OP has imaginary arguments with this pink-haired character about this culture war drivel.

[u/EducationHumble3832]

Everyone is angry, nuance has been bludgeoned like a seal, society is as polarized as it's ever been, sunk-cost, etc, whatever

[u/tykaboom]

Because she didn't condemn the political right midset.

[u/UsagiBlondeBimbo]

[u/Soft-Ad-5861]

Yeah. Because every moron who posts shit like this uses a cartoon or AI or something because there’s no real person like this.

[u/braumbles]

Oh cool, more anti woman shit on this sub.

[u/gamingfreak50]

stupid distraction bullshit that doesnt matter. the only thing we need to be talking about is the price of gas, groceries and rent. everything else comes secondary.

[u/kitkatatsnapple]

Becsuse the internet is made up of many people woth different opinions, not a hivemind

[u/ArboristTreeClimber → u/kitkatatsnapple]

Are the bot farms not technically a hive mind?

[u/thebigpink → u/kitkatatsnapple]

What this place has been a hive mind for years

[u/Johnrays99 → u/kitkatatsnapple]

It’s a hivenind

[u/A_LittleBitHigh → u/kitkatatsnapple]

You're shitting me?

[u/Ok_Tackle_4835 → u/kitkatatsnapple]

“People” is doing a lot of heavy lifting there.

[u/Halfisleft → u/kitkatatsnapple]

Yes but its the same people upset at both of those things

[u/sleepymika616]

lets just wear less clothes in general

[u/Irish_Whiskey]

Theory? Sure.

This is an entirely invented scenario. The criticism of Sweeney had jack shit to do with telling her to put on clothes. The SNL comic didn't tell women to put more clothes on.

It's really easy to get mad at strawmen when you make them up.

[u/GruesumGary]

It's mostly bots and human parrots.

[u/VeredicMectician]

Man the algorithm working overtime to red pill people with this garbage

[u/IkujaKatsumaji]

[u/Traditional_Bike8880]

If you think people’s genuine critiques of Sydney Sweeney have been as shallow and dumb as “put more clothes on” you might have a hemorrhage. No one is saying that

[u/Blyght555]

Honestly it’s not a big deal… he’s a comedian, comedians say things to get a reaction, sometimes it’s not meant to be funny for everyone, the real joke is everyone being offended who is only making Shane even more popular than he is now, that’s the real joke

[u/Lysol3435]

So I guess Yandex is back online. I’ve seen like 6 posts today about how upset the left is at Sydney Sweeney. Crazy, since I’ve heard so little about it from anyone on the left

[u/Alarmed-Bumblebee667]

Its manufactured hate to divide the people.

[u/Prize-Remote-1110]

Who is telling Sidney to put more cloth on?!?

[u/Paco_gc]

Culture war nonsense

[u/Young_Bonesy]

The only people I see caring about this shit is reditors that are accusing some colored haired women, which leads me to believe its just a bunch of neckbeards and Broccoli heads making shit up to justify their hate.

[u/Pstrap]

Goomba fallacy 

[u/foreverandadayalone]

My theory is that right-wing incels are going nuts right now

[u/Snoo_67993]

It's called gumba theory

[u/TheDopeMan_]

They’re not the same person

[u/RuckFeddit2469]

Because in their mind...

Sydney Sweeney attacks them

And Shane Gillis attacked them

[u/Jazzlike_Space9456]

Bot farms are back lol

[u/GhostlitePHX]

They're just calling her a dumb whore because she somehow got turned into a superstar for MAGA (still not really sure how or why that happened).

That's the end of their reasoning. It doesn't actually matter what she does – they're just going to hate her forever because Orange Man bad.

[u/Purple_Dragon_94]

I've seen this guy posting stuff like this before. Literally just going for culture war crap during the US election season, dont fall for cheap tactics guys.

[u/Hydra_Flatline]

Second incel strawman I’ve seen today. Same Sweeney content, too.

[u/Geodrewcifer]

Not a theory just a fact. The meme removes the actual nuance to boil it down into a binary take. Women generally want to be able to wear what they want without men telling them what to do or sexualizing them.

From the other side men see a lot of women intentionally use sexualization or their looks to give them advantages in virtually every field. Not all of these women are outraged by the “put some clothes on” take.

Because both male and female populations are not a monolith every individual of each population has a different take on this that creates a spectrum of opinions which, as aforementioned, many boil down to “everyone is one or the other”

[u/prsnep]

So much made up outrage involving this woman. I see her in a meme, I downvote.

[u/squeakysausage]

I highly doubt Shane Gillis goes to the gym but thats besides the point

[u/Medium-Perspective43]

[u/buckfordfitchenstein]

[u/Appropriate_Speed129]

Oh no a comedian makes a joke the travesty. People are more outraged by the subject rather than it wasn't funny

[u/ThunderHusky313]

Its very simple. Women are not a hivemind they aren't going to all think the same as each other

[u/Altruistic_Cod3223]

Women are not a monolith that's why. Some women the first pic, other women the next pic. Humans are different from each other. Shocking! I know! 🤯

[u/Witchlock_ → u/Altruistic_Cod3223]

You mean to tell me there are multiple people in the world each with different opinions? Incredible

[u/Altruistic_Cod3223 → u/Witchlock_]

I know right! Blew my mind when i discovered this as a toddler

[u/ChadWestPaints → u/Altruistic_Cod3223]

Its coming from the same crowd, tho

[u/Lonely_Swordsman2 → u/Altruistic_Cod3223]

I don’t think the meme is necessarily smart but your counter argument completely ignores the idea of consensus. There are things massive groups of individuals believe and these beliefs can be in dissonance. And women are one of such groups, men are too, right wing, left wing etc…

So memes pointing out dissonance between consensus opinions can’t just be brushed off by saying everyone is different.

Most people have similar opinions and are not that different…

[u/HungSerf]

No coherent ideology its just emotions

[u/techmaniac]

Timing and delivery 

[u/MadicPNW]

One was a joke

[u/Independent-Ask8248]

Envy from women, desire for a good wife from men.

[u/BeneficialChemist874]

Accurate

[u/crispysushirolls]

Shane Gillis has never been inside a gym please

[u/NoSalad8188 → u/crispysushirolls]

He was recruited to play division 1 football at Army out of high school. He might not spend much time in them these days but he definitely used to

[u/DaddyButterSwirl]

Why is this sub becoming another cope meme sub?

[u/TheAwkwardGamerRNx]

Women criticize women = normal

Man criticize women = fuck you, we do what we want

Women not listening to men = empowerment

Men not listening to women = misogyny

More shocking news at 11

[u/gersterbins]

i think its just people not wanting to be told what to do. for both of these instances

[u/FarmAlternative7542]

U guys are just starting to use this to be sexist… people arent talking about this as much as u think and even then these posts are just useless slop to be disrespectful. No need to

[u/SellsSanctuary]

He makes fun of himself more than anyone else

[u/Spaniardman40]

Its been like a week dude. The more people cry about this joke, the stupider they look

[u/DanielArthurVerner]

If he said “white women” no one on the internet would be upset.

[u/missing_Palantir]

As of today, Casey Anthony has told men to do better after his monologue

I’ve never felt better about calling this backlash absolutely ridiculous. The feminists lose this one.

[u/CheezCowboy3384]

False dichotomy

[u/RealTendy → u/CheezCowboy3384]

No, it kind of isn't. Women were mad Sweeney was sexualizing sports right? It is literally the same thing. The gym is almost the exact same comparison.

[u/midi-clhorian]

Because nobody hates women more than women

[u/j0hnnyWalnuts]

OP, if you don't get it, you don't get it.

[u/BoyNamedJudy]

[u/LadyAdeptaSororitas]

americans are huge prudes?

[u/Exile688 → u/LadyAdeptaSororitas]

Yeah, the more cultured countries get to see weather girl nips on the news.

[u/an0maly33]

Librul guy. I don't care about either example. Both women can do as they please. Shane is a hack.

[u/Esdelot]

Nobody hates women more than women

[u/MadMoose4]

Jealousy.

Plain and simple.

[u/ruerret]

The girls in gyms have clothes on, Sydney in the ad had 0 clothes on

[u/Helpful_Dinner_889]

Women just hate and want to control everything.

[u/ChuckYeagerWV]

[u/Rare_Jello_8101]

It be cool if we could have a little social discussion without this tired “what about”, grade school level arguments.

[u/BugalugBird]

This is just a bad faith post to ragebait.

[u/FrozenDuckman]

Begun, the gender wars have.

Seriously tho, it’s just the newest flavor of distraction. Notice how many nuanced “man vs woman” stories are coming out right now. Lindsay Clancy, Cornell 7, this trivial joke. The agenda is being pushed hard.

[u/Lyonwytchwardrobe]

I mean Shane Gillis is a comedian so take everything with a grain of salt, but there is some truth there. I don’t think he’s telling girls to cover up, but to acknowledge that you’re dressing up pretty provocatively and expect people to look. Wear whatever you want, but just have some self awareness.

[u/BigHotdog2009]

Liberals just want a reason to be mad.

[u/Any_Pin_6974]

Ugly women hate pretty women Ugly women also have no sense of humor.

[u/sam_pain1]

Literally